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[SkaTastic]

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So it's like the dark side of Capitalism but extremely mild, and is only bad because their channel doesn't get any attention.

 

[Neko GF]

Gutian's whining about the Farms again:

Spoiler: "The Paradox of intolerance"

https://twitter.com/GutianGang/status/1229174620365832192 (Archive)

How do we suppress anyone's free speech? How does laughing at people for being dumb and weird suppress them in anyway? This becomes even more ironic considering that Gutian seemingly wants to suppress our free speech.

 

[dopy]

i've never seen a leftist that actually understood what the underlying point of the tolerance paradox was. i wonder why

 

[LTO Data Cartridge]

i've never seen a leftist that actually understood what the underlying point of the tolerance paradox was. i wonder why

IMO it's mainly about not getting what tolerance is. Tolerance is when you don't like something but you let it be anyway; some lefties claim to be tolerant but all that they "tolerate" are things that they like. If they don't like something, they don't feel the need to try and tolerate it because in their minds they already think that they're tolerant people and if they don't like something it must be really bad and literally impossible to tolerate.

 

[Neko GF]

Will is very mad at the internet, confirms that he wants to shut down the farms. (the chimp out continues):

Spoiler: Mad at the Internet

We aren't suppressing your rights, Will.

 

[Hal]

Will is very mad at the internet, confirms that he wants to shut down the farms. (the chimp out continues):

Spoiler: Mad at the Internet

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We aren't suppressing your rights, Will.

He flat out rage quits when he's told he can't do jack shit.

Spoiler: More Mad at the internet

Die mad Will, you sack of shit.

 

[dopy]

how long until he starts posting ITT

 

[AirdropShitposts]

He says "tolerance paradox" when he actually means to discuss the argument in "Repressive Tolerance" by Marcuse:

Repressive Tolerance (full text) - Herbert Marcuse Official Website

The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and 'philosophies' can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the 'marketplace of ideas' is organized and delimited by those who determine the national and the individual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the 'end of ideology', the false consciousness has become the general consciousness--from the government down to its last objects. The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped: their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress these minorities. It should be evident by now that the exercise of civil rights by those who don't have them presupposes the withdrawal of civil rights from those who prevent their exercise, and that liberation of the Damned of the Earth presupposes suppression not only of their old but also of their new masters.

Withdrawal of tolerance from regressive movements before they can become active; intolerance even toward thought, opinion, and word, and finally, intolerance in the opposite direction, that is, toward the self-styled conservatives, to the political Right--these anti-democratic notions respond to the actual development of the democratic society which has destroyed the basis for universal tolerance. The conditions under which tolerance can again become a liberating and humanizing force have still to be created. When tolerance mainly serves the protection and preservation of a repressive society, when it serves to neutralize opposition and to render men immune against other and better forms of life, then tolerance has been perverted. And when this perversion starts in the mind of the individual, in his consciousness, his needs, when heteronomous interests occupy him before he can experience his servitude, then the efforts to counteract his dehumanization must begin at the place of entrance, there where the false consciousness takes form (or rather: is systematically formed)--it must begin with stopping the words and images which feed this consciousness. To be sure, this is censorship, even precensorship, but openly directed against the more or less hidden censorship that permeates the free media.

 

[AnOminous]

He says "tolerance paradox" when he actually means to discuss the argument in "Repressive Tolerance" by Marcuse:

Repressive Tolerance (full text) - Herbert Marcuse Official Website

Ironically, troons and the "activists" surrounding this harmful cult movement are exactly the kind of shit Popper was talking about.

 

[Puck]

Ironically, troons and the "activists" surrounding this harmful cult movement are exactly the kind of shit Popper was talking about.

That retard probably just saw the same shitty webcomic that's been going around for years, then just took it at face value, and never bothered to actually read any of the primary sources.

 

[Neko GF]

how long until he starts posting ITT

On one hand, Will is dumb, even by BreadTube standards so him rage posting here isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. On the other hand, Will can be barely be bothered to do basic research on the Farms and doesn't take well to hearing opposing opinions. Who knows if he'll ever try to interact with the Farms.

 

[Haramburger]

i've never seen a leftist that actually understood what the underlying point of the tolerance paradox was anything. i wonder why

Nothing they say or do stands up under any sort of scrutiny.

That exceptional individual probably just saw the same shitty webcomic that's been going around for years, then just took it at face value, and never bothered to actually read any of the primary sources.
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Nice, I still have the edit from a few years ago:

I call my actual female friends dudes, it's just a general term calm your tits

Ironically, real women don't actually care about being misgendered and will often take it as a joke or term of endearment instead of getting offended.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

They obviously haven't read it because unlike that image, Popper only suggests using force against them when they resort to force, otherwise he wants to try and check their "speech" via rational argument. The image implies their forceful suppression when they merely "speak" intolerance "before it's too late" but Popper didn't go that far.

 

[AnOminous]

They obviously haven't read it because unlike that image, Popper only suggests using force against them when they resort to force, otherwise he wants to try and check their "speech" via rational argument. The image implies their forceful suppression when they merely "speak" intolerance "before it's too late" but Popper didn't go that far.

And ironically, the "tolerance of intolerance" thing is that freedom of speech can be used to destroy freedom of speech, so at some point one has to stop those who would attack these freedoms if one wants to keep them. Nazis, actual Nazis, would use force to do this. They're also an absolutely marginalized group. Maybe 1% of the people "antifa" doesn't like are Nazis or even fascists. However, they're a violent group that would violently quash all dissent, putting them squarely in the camp of intolerant threats to tolerance themselves.

 

[dopy]

However, they're a violent group that would violently quash all dissent, putting them squarely in the camp of intolerant threats to tolerance themselves.

it also heavily hinges on who gets to define what "tolerance" and "intolerance" are, which determines what the words themselves actually signify at a specific point in time.

 

[AnOminous]

it also heavily hinges on who gets to define what "tolerance" and "intolerance" are, which determines what the words themselves actually signify at a specific point in time.

It ultimately doesn't, though. Words will remain words, always, and violence will remain violence. People who claim their actual violence is on the level of words while other people's words are actual violence are always dangerous.

 

[Haramburger]

It ultimately doesn't, though. Words will remain words, always, and violence will remain violence. People who claim their actual violence is on the level of words while other people's words are actual violence are always dangerous.

extremely articulate. If Gators had been able to express this clearly, it might not have been the shitshow that it was as things escalated. Too bad it was a bunch of gamers doing the verbal equivalent of button-mashing in a corner.

 

[WontYouFightForYourLife]

Something something Judean People's Front vs People's Front of Judea something something.
*cries softly into pillowcase embroidered with the phrase "Left Unity"*

What the fuck is this whore doing with internet access and the audacity to spread such autism? This hairy slut should either be on her knees or in the kitchen god dammit.

 

[AnOminous]

What the fuck is this whore doing with internet access and the audacity to spread such autism? This hairy slut should either be on her knees or in the kitchen god dammit.

>responding to two month old post like a mongoloid

 

[WontYouFightForYourLife]

>responding to two month old post like a mongoloid

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Sucking on a internet guys dick like the schizoautist faggot that you are.

Spoiler: I'm not even sure what this is supposed to be