Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Let's be honest. UK is practically Asia at this point.
Oh, please. At least the yellow fellows take their boarders seriously. TIME magazine labeled Buddhist monks as the "true face of terrorism" for having the audacity not to get culturally enriched by muslims. Imagine how much more often (or less often?) these outbreaks would be happening if other countries segregated themselves. Immune systems in various regions would be pretty different.
 
it seems a bit weird to be handing out flowers and applause if the death rate is only 1/8. theres over a billion chinks in china and if the stats are true or at least close to true in death/recover rate then they would be doing this for hundreds of millions of people. that seems pretty fucking strange and suspicious.

Taking into account china's morale I can believe they are THIS starved for good news. So I wouldn't say its suspicious. Now, knowing the risk of reinfection its fucking negligently retarded at best and a horrifying risk taken knowingly for propaganda at worst. But not necessarily suspicious.

Any thoughts on Greffex Inc's "vaccine"? It's been a while since it's supposed development was reported on and I haven't been hearing anything about it for the most part.

Well if it's like any trials I've seen before now they need to try it in animals and then in humans IF it gets through animal trials. How do they try it in animals you may ask? Well going by my experience, they vaccinate the pigs, (except for the positive control groups) wait for the necessary time (a few weeks) while taking samples of sntibody production and shit like that, then infect the pigs (except for the negative control groups), then take samples during the usual period of disease, then HUMANELY sacrifice the pigs and perform the post-mortem analysis of whatever the virus infects (in this case the lungs) and then SAFELY AND HYGIENICALLY dispose of the remainings, and DEFINITELY NOT EAT THEM OR SELL THEM ON THE MARKET.

As for the human trial they just vaccinate a group and compare the samples with the control group without the whole murdering issue because at that point the question is whether or not it is effective for human inmune system as opposed to wether or not it is effective on animals and also because if you kill every participant in the study and analyze their lungs you might have a bad conscience. And also a really bad reputation.

So basically grab the average time of infection, (I think a study said it was 3 weeks?) Multiply it by 2 then add all the time for the necessary preparations and then multiply that by 2 for the human trial once the pigs are done with. And then possibly add the prior in-vitro tests in the lab to determine if it works at all if all they had was the theory but hadn't made it yet. I dunno if they did. So innsummary it'll take a while.

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Oh, please. At least the yellow fellows take their boarders seriously. TIME magazine labeled Buddhist monks as the "true face of terrorism" for having the audacity not to get culturally enriched by muslims. Imagine how much more often (or less often?) these outbreaks would be happening if other countries segregated themselves. Immune systems in various regions would be pretty different.

Actually that's not how herd immunity works at all and your proposal would backfire tremendously as proven by the black death, smallpox, and like a billion other ancient ass plagues.

Now as I explained before I hate globalists. But not for this reason her immunity actually is aided by immigration, you know so long as you actually close the damned frontier when the outbreak actually started. 'Cause no shit sherlock.

EDIT 2: Fuck it I didn't wanna get longwinded again after yesterday's drunken rants on Merkel but I have to explain this shit I guess.

Point is immune systems are basically like the more diverse the better. No literally. Because the B limphocites get generated randomly for primary response and for secondary whatever works gets sellected into memory cells. You might notice I'm trying to be as broad as possible. Point is if you get a lotta race mixing you have a much wider ammount of primary response weird B lymphs so you have more chance that part of the population is immune and as such the disease soreads a lot less.

If however you just isolate the B cells will be much more homogeneus and be a lot less variation. So there's a much smaller portion of the population that will be immune and much lesser chance that there is any at all. This is why as soon as any disease is introduced into a very, ejem, "morphologically homogeneus" population it tends to cause a freaking genocide.

Thing is if you isolate the planet like what you propose while it is true than every area has a more unique pattern because there is no mixing each area will get specialized for a very, very small amount of diseases, and as soon as anything else comes, they're fucked. So a pandemic that manages to get past its local area will very likely destroy everyone else too unless it just so happens to be very similar to what they already deal with. In comparison biologically diverse populations can depend on herd immunity to save their asses and are likely to control the disease much better, which not only increases chances of survival but also reduces second tier deaths.

That being said of course fucking closing the god damned border and using quarantine protocols is aleays better than either alternative once an epidemic starts which could turn into a pandemic. No matter what percentage of the population is susceptible to it you should want to protect them anyway, which the teafuckers are failing at horribly.
 
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1-containment strategies were made in 19-fucking-18 it's a god damned pneumonia bioaerosol transmited virus, it's literally influenza 2 chink boogaloo!

2-the fuck does vaccine production (which is already being funded) got to do with wasting money censoring the internet?!

Why the sudden uptick in Korean cases ?
Well here is your answer, apologies in advance for my terrible korean.

One of the members of a Korean cult has the virus


Title: Shinchonji poured out 'corona confirmation'… Suspicion of Shinto crackdown and Cult Activities


“Presumption of Internal Notices Containing Shinto Response Directions… "I didn't go to worship that day"

Xintiandi: "No internal notice has been turned ……” (no one internally told us of the danger of attending)

"Shincheonji Daegu Church had a Sunday 8,000 people worship… Both Wednesday and Sunday worship services are an obligation”

Translator Note: This is not a Christian church, this is a cult. One of the members was infected and was still forced to come.


“Reported by Yang Jung-woo, reporter Yang Jung-woo reported that the church has been using false notifications by members of the Shinchon Ji-Jesu church.

“ According to a plurality of sources on the 19th, images and articles were posted on the morning of online news such as SNS and YouTube.
The outside department is known as a department for escort and issue management within the Sincheonji.”

According to the dissemination notice, Shincheonji Shinto is known to the outside, and Shincheonji is considered to be a member of Shinchonji divided the order of the response direction. “ (Cult was ordered to stop prayer gatherings, they refused)


“First, if the person is known as Shincheonji Shindoji, if the other person does not have a negative perception of Shincheonji, he said, "That day I did not go to worship.”


Even though it was known as Shincheonji Shinto, there was an order to respond that it was not going to Shincheonji Church. "Thank you for protecting my health thanks to my parents. To show that there is no relationship between me and S at all," he said.

If you are suspected of being in a new place, "To be sure that you have nothing to do with me", "," What is the relationship between me and the corona in S? Do you want me to have a corona? "

“On the other hand, Shin Cheon-ji, Daegu Church's chief public officer, explained, "As a general manager, I have never issued an internal notice.

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In Shincheon-ji Daegu Church, a 61-year-old woman was identified as the 31st patient on the 18th, and on the 19th, 10 people who went to church with the patient were confirmed to have the virus


Patient 31 attended the worship service on Sunday 9th and 16th at 8:00 am, and Shincheonji explained that 460 members attended the 16th chapel.

Those who are familiar with the inside of Shincheonji claim that the Shincheonji Shinto shrine, which had been worshiped at the Daegu Church every Sunday, was about 8,000 people. Particularly during the noon service, there are witnesses that a great number of believers gathered.

In addition, unlike the ordinary church, the Shinchonji site told the congregation to come to church worship on Sundays and Wednesdays.

A former senior official in Shinchonji said, "Since Shinchonji values the external image, we are not telling the authorities the truth. We must track the facts in the authorities and the media."

Former Shinto branch of Shincheonji Church also said, "Shincheonji divides the whole country into 12 tribes. Each tribe headquarters has subdivisions."

"Shincheonji is going to worship on Sundays as well as on Wednesday. There are alternative worship services for Mondays for those who have not seen Sunday worship."

Mobile posting; will clean up later

Tl;dr : It was not a Typhoid Mary, the spread of the corona virus in korea was a patient who was in a large cult attending service with 8,000 other practitioners. The cult knew of the risk and were asked to suspend service. The government didn’t have confirmation or even a suspicion of the disease so it just looks to me like they are trying to cover their ass.

Again sorry for shitty translation.

Alright so if the government is telling the truth these fuckers literally did the thing you should never do during an outbreak while knowingly dealing with the start of a potential outbreak... And there's 8000 of these braindead motherfuckers. Fucking cults, man.

Also, I can't be the only one having flashbacks to a popup telling me "festival of love in korea" and suddently the entire peninsula turns red.
 
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The WHO ladies and gents:
>asks for 675mil to "" "fight virus" ""

Also the WHO:
>won't even go into Wuhan to investigate said virus

How about you go suck on the bag of Chinese dick you guys like doing so much?
 
Any thoughts on Greffex Inc's "vaccine"? It's been a while since it's supposed development was reported on and I haven't been hearing anything about it for the most part.
Iirc, the original SARS vaccine was abandoned (that is looking more like a bad idea as time goes by...) but one problem they had in animal models was that infection after vaccination caused more severe illness than an initial infection.
Unlike say, flu, we don’t have a solid, repeatable platform for creating vaccines against this family.
The greffex one is quite a novel system, it’s based on an adenovirus vector. It’s headed to animal trials. You can’t rush the process past a point - hastily made vaccines have caused problems in the past, the clinical trial and development process is complicated for a reason. This autumn at the absolute earliest is as fast as it’ll be ready. They just mapped the spike protein fully in the last few days so that will help.
 
The WHO ladies and gents:
>asks for 675mil to "" "fight virus" ""

Also the WHO:
>won't even go into Wuhan to investigate said virus

How about you go suck on the bag of Chinese dick you guys like doing so much?
To be fair there IS a WHO team in Wuhan. It was confirmed by the CDC during that interview another user posted some days ago. The tean was sent there by the CDC. No they're not informing WHO they're informing the CDC. Why is it not a CDC team then? Because china.
 
Betcha my left tit that we will have learned nothing from this kerfuffle and once this is over we go back to poor chinese kids making iPhones for cents on the dollar. Btw fuck you apple your phone's are overpriced shit that die in 2 years Its 2020 and I'm still using my note 8.
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Still not dead but sleep deprived I needed coffee so I decided to venture out. I kinda look like a jack ass but it's cool. I went not too far.
geared up with mask sun glasses gloves. I debated on whether or not it's safer to go to Starbucks or buy instant. so I went to 7 11. bought drip coffee and other brands of coffee I can't get in the US. Went back to my room. made my coffee poured a bit of whiskey and some creamer. than emailed my boss.
Slightly OT, but Apple needs to lose the planned obsolescence and get with the program. I can't be the only owner of a perfectly working i-pad that has been pretty much a brick since 2014 because updates. Meanwhile, an early microsoft RT pad from pretty much the same era can still web surf, play movies and you tube vids, has a few apps still circulating, and can still be useful if not optimal. Because the developers gave a shit. I watched Apple survive the 90s because they dicovered people would shell out for candy colors. I kinda hope they get theirs this time around.

Stay safe!
 
Al Jazeera is reporting three more confirmed cases with more suspected in several cities. No known link to Wuhan.
I would put money on this virus already being entrenched in multiple countries. Nobody is testing people routinely
Some poor reporting as well in that article, saying the mortality rate is low. 2% mortality rate is not in any way low, it’s something to be rather worried about.
 
I'm idly curious, if we have any microbiology kiwis hanging around, is a cell just 100% fucked if a virus gets it, or do cells possess any means to fight off a virus that's latched on? My entire impression of the process is that virus attaches to cell, injects itself, makes cell print out a bunch of copies, then bursts like a virus balloon. Our only defense that I'm aware of involves the immune cells grabbing viruses before they reach normal cells.
 
Yeah, even South Africa, which was the most developed, functional and technological country of them all before 1994 now has endless power shortages - euphemistically called 'load shedding' caused by a mixture of incompetence and corruption regarding the state power company Eskom. Rolling blackouts have been going on there since 2007. It's now 2020 and it's getting worse, not better. Homes and businesses have to have their own generators or just sit and watch freezers defrost, refrigerated or frozen food stocks rendered unusable or spoiled and unsellable, factory production lines shut down, and this goes on daily, week in, week out. Since 2007, on and off. One of their greatest assets and source of revenue, their platinum mines, have to shut down because of lack of power. Oh, and when the power goes off, your home security systems/caameras go down with it and that's when you're likely to be a victim of the insane SA crime rate. Home invasions and burglaries peak when the power is off and in SA home invasions are often the feature that marksthe end of your life. Nobody wants to invest in South Africa or relocate there, rather people who want to start businesses or be entrepreneurs leave if they can, and SA still looks like a functional technical dreamland compared to much of the rest of the continent. Think of somewhere like Mali, or Congo, or Sudan ... no way would anyone try to reasonably manufacture or look for a workforce in those places.

Add in the crime levels and socio-political situation to the infrastructural woes - outside of South Africa most Sub-Saharan nations have longstanding, lethal ongoing issues with Islamic insurgenices, ethnic conflicts that turn bloody, civil wars, extremely low levels of education, high levels of violent crime, endemic corruption, terminal laziness and thieving, nobody with any choice would want to bring their families there to relocate and thus no business will invest in Africa. The only nation that does is .. China, with its belt and road initiative amd you see how that goes in Cities of Dust. They'll get the mining rights and the Africans will get the roads they'll neglect until they're functionally useless after so many years.
Do the power companies have a deal with local gangs, shutting the power off so the neighborhood can be swept and then getting a cut of the loot?
 
You can’t rush the process past a point - hastily made vaccines have caused problems in the past, the clinical trial and development process is complicated for a reason.

A rushed vaccine, if it had any harmful effects, would also have the collateral damage of giving anti-vaxxers something to hold up as "proof" vaccines are bad.

Which, of course, wouldn't help anything.
 
Do the power companies have a deal with local gangs, shutting the power off so the neighborhood can be swept and then getting a cut of the loot?

Nah, it's not that organized. The crime is just a consequence in an already crime-ridden society, people take advantage when they can. Load shedding is announced(see link below for latest), power is cut of for a few hours in one area then eventually comes back on and is cut off in another area. Nearly all the power is made by one state-run company named Eskom which has endless problems with factors such as problems with correct amount of coal supply, ageing and badly maintained infrastructure meaning what power stations they have need to be shit down for major repairs need to be done, an inability to get new power plants built and online,basically they cannot generate anywhere near the power they near for their own citizenry and economy and nobody in power seems able to do anything about it. The ANC have been a fucking disaster for South Africa.

 
Manufacturers are assuring US businesses the Chinese factories will be reopening next week with only a delay in shipping of soft goods by 2-3 weeks from normal Chinese New Year shutdowns.

So if that doesn't happen, we'll know shit is real

I’ve heard that they were supposed to reopen like two weeks ago. Clearly they didn’t lol.
 
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I'm idly curious, if we have any microbiology kiwis hanging around, is a cell just 100% fucked if a virus gets it, or do cells possess any means to fight off a virus that's latched on? My entire impression of the process is that virus attaches to cell, injects itself, makes cell print out a bunch of copies, then bursts like a virus balloon. Our only defense that I'm aware of involves the immune cells grabbing viruses before they reach normal cells.

Hello microbiology kiwi at your service! Basically, a virus has 2 parts. Capside and genetic material. Technically it has more but for simplicity's sake we're skipping all the possible shit the capside can have.

Point is, the capside is just a ball (with a needle sticking out of it) that protects and carries the material until it can inject it into a cell (note: this is more metaphore than anything but I'm skipping a lot) and then the virus' genetic material is inside the cell. So now what? Well. That depends on the type of virus but basically it needs to find a way to weaponize the cell's replication systems to make copies of it instead of the proteins it usually makes. So. How can a cell combat this?

Well, sometimes the virus just straight up fails at actually weaponizing shit. There's a reason eucariotes have a nucleus, the citoplasm is quite toxic to genetic material. Sometimes it doesn't find a way to cross into the nucleus. Sometimes it can't get itself inside the actual genetic material, and sometimes (called a retroviri) it does but just integrates itself into the DNA and fails at actually replicating and we just find it as part of the DNA in some descendant ages later.

These are all passive ways though. So then we have antigen presenting cells. Those are part of their immune system. What they do is they trap the antigen (in this case a virus) biochemically and then present it to the B cells, T cells and complement system. That's how our immune system detects and classifies viri to begin with. Other than that if the cell find a way to drive the virus' msterial into its vacuolas it can digest the shit out of it. This is how macrophages deal with things, they just use digestive enzymes to clean everything, but other cells can do it too, just to a much lesser extent.

Funnily enough though, the cell that IS 100% fucked is the antigen presenting cell. Those get murdered in the line of duty by the rest of the immune system every time, as for the rest, most are fucked but it's not 100% even after infection.
 
Al Jazeera is reporting three more confirmed cases with more suspected in several cities. No known link to Wuhan.
I would put money on this virus already being entrenched in multiple countries. Nobody is testing people routinely
Some poor reporting as well in that article, saying the mortality rate is low. 2% mortality rate is not in any way low, it’s something to be rather worried about.

Agreed. Speaking of which has anybody heard anything from Best Korea lately? They declared themselves Corona-Chan free a month ago. Are they all dead yet?
 
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