Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Agent Wet]

So hypothetically if AT&T does shutter DC what do you think is going to be the reaction of the Pros and "journalists" who have spent the past 5 years or so shitting on the fans and insisting everything's fine as the industry slowly burned down?

Doing the same song & dance blame it on the fans for -ism and have a circle jerk about this would had been avoided if there were more diversity and representation while shilling what ever site, product, Patreon they have bonus points if there made a GamerGate or Trump reference. I think I covered just about everything.

 

[Jub-Jub]

IDW was a spin off of Wildstorm. They have connections. If they can get even just Batman or Superman that would basically prop them up.

IDK if IDW would have the money for it. The last report i read said that they lots of debt due soon and little cash on hand. I think there was news media recently about them basically crossing their fingers and praying on their Nextflix deals to bring 30-40mil profit this year. Given the budget blowouts and re-shoots surrounding their newest pilots/seasons and what appears to be apathy towards their IPs in seasons 2+, i thought it was pretty

 

[GranDuke]

So hypothetically if AT&T does shutter DC what do you think is going to be the reaction of the Pros and "journalists" who have spent the past 5 years or so shitting on the fans and insisting everything's fine as the industry slowly burned down?

Thats kinda irrelevant. If AT&T doesn't want to be in comics publishing business then they are not going to be in it regardless of how comics market is doing. If they cancel it now then they'd likely cancel it as well even if the market was 20% bigger.

 

[Judge Holden]

This shit is why comicsgate drama has rarely interested me beyond idle observation. The entire fucking industry is dying, and the best these speds can do is desperately try to gain some level of control over the wreckage

Its like fighting for control of the Titanic's engine-room after it hit the iceberg. Even if you win you will wind up biting the dust very quickly afterwards

 

[jspit]

IDK if IDW would have the money for it. The last report i read said that they lots of debt due soon and little cash on hand. I think there was news media recently about them basically crossing their fingers and praying on their Nextflix deals to bring 30-40mil profit this year. Given the budget blowouts and re-shoots surrounding their newest pilots/seasons and what appears to be apathy towards their IPs in seasons 2+, i thought it was pretty

True.

They'd probably take out loans and bet the farm. If DC licenses out its characters, that's the ballgame

To be fair, she had over double the backers in that campaign. So she has the edge there.

She's started a youtube, so I'd say she's going to be dipping back into crowdfunding.

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I wonder how much was her and how much was Jim. He did another that had 417 backers and 40,000 dollars.

They apparently did the 'give me money' one to two dollar tier, a poster tier, and a digital option. Those padded her backer numbers I think.

The first BIGFOOT BILL was just shy of $200K. (I remember, I was there.)

I think he'll double that here. I'm predicting $400K-ish for the 60 days. That Sean Gordon Murphy cover is miraculous.

I stand corrected. Any comments on your nemesis/other half starting a youtube channel?

This shit is why comicsgate drama has rarely interested me beyond idle observation. The entire fucking industry is dying, and the best these speds can do is desperately try to gain some level of control over the wreckage

Its like fighting for control of the Titanic's engine-room after it hit the iceberg. Even if you win you will wind up biting the dust very quickly afterwards

Considering how Titanic is one of the top selling movies of all time and a topic that draws attention a century later...

The difference is the comics market, I refuse to call it a fucking industry at this point, steered straight toward the iceberg. Then, they started throwing the handful of engineers they didn't like into the small number of life boats they had and sending them off. Now they're tearing more holes in the ship because someone pointed out that may have been a bad idea. It's a farce, and you just can't wait to see what these idiots do next.

 

[TexOffender]

Comments on Gail's first video are a glorious trashfire.

Willing to bet she'll turn off comments on the rest of her uploads.

 

[jspit]

Comments on Gail's first video are a glorious trashfire.

Willing to bet she'll turn off comments on the rest of her uploads.

My favorite part. "I got my dream to be a writer."

How did you do that Gail? Surely that's an important part of the story. Did you come forward with some great manuscript or idea... Nope, she called them sexist! She got in on blackmail.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Thats kinda irrelevant. If AT&T doesn't want to be in comics publishing business then they are not going to be in it regardless of how comics market is doing. If they cancel it now then they'd likely cancel it as well even if the market was 20% bigger.

That's actually something I'm wondering now. What was the industry like in the late 2000s/early 2010s before wokeshit?

Did going woke send comics into a death spiral or merely accelerate a decline that was already happening?

 

[YesNoMaybe]

Ethan's coverage of DC Dan DiDio stuff was the first time in along time I felt like he was back to being "Comic Artist Pro Secrets", giving insider perspective on things, as opposed to the sad e-celeb YouTube drama.

 

[jspit]

That's actually something I'm wondering now. What was the industry like in the late 2000s/early 2010s before wokeshit?

Did going woke send comics into a death spiral or merely accelerate a decline that was already happening?

They were already getting woke. Quesada and Didio let in SJW's like Rucka, Brubaker, and Simone. Spidey selling his marriage to the devil, Wonder Woman murdering a prisoner, and Young Avengers. They tried to cancel Dixon as far back as 2006.

It was all there. But it took time to rot.

Ethan's coverage of DC Dan DiDio stuff was the first time in along time I felt like he was back to being "Comic Artist Pro Secrets", giving insider perspective on things, as opposed to the sad e-celeb YouTube drama.

He always came off hollow on Star Wars and the e-celeb stuff is the stuff that makes him hard to put up with.

He has something he's an actual fan of, that he knows about. I just think he's like a teen leaving a cult. Even if these people abused the shit out of him, they're his people. The pain in his voice over Didio being fired was real.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Funny, Cecil's indie is at 133,000 and is in demand. I wonder how Gail Simone feels, being beat by a nobody in a ski mask.

LEAVING MEGALOPOLIS

When the caped heroes of the world's safest city inexplicably all turn into homicidal lunatics, no one is safe.

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I'm sort of amazed that nobody's dared mention Gail venturing into crowdfunding. I wonder why? Perhaps it's the fact that she' making bank, (4,194 backers pledged $117,660 so far) or perhaps it's the fact she's charging $15 for an 80 page graphic novel compared to the $25 CG average.
Speaking of Cecil... I see he has a video about Gail starting a Youtube channel...
......wait what..?

Oh boy...... this could be fun... is she going to play comicsgate at their own game or is this some kind of sly attempt to get comicsgate channels banned for community guidelines breaches? After all, you really need to be on a platform to to be effective in getting other users banned...

 

[jspit]

I'm sort of amazed that nobody's dared mention Gail venturing into crowdfunding. I wonder why? Perhaps it's the fact that she' making bank, (4,194 backers pledged $117,660 so far) or perhaps it's the fact she's charging $15 for an 80 page graphic novel compared to the $25 CG average.
Speaking of Cecil... I see he has a video about Gail starting a Youtube channel...
......wait what..?

Oh boy...... this could be fun... is she going to play comicsgate at their own game or is this some kind of sly attempt to get comicsgate channels banned for community guidelines breaches? After all, you really need to be on a platform to to be effective in getting other users banned...

Cecil has her beat with fewer backers and his campaigns not even over. She's didn't flop.

1. About seven hundred of those backers gave them money for basically nothing.

2. She did charge 15 for domestic backers But, Mexican's and Canadians paid twenty.

3. The campaign is from 2012. lots happened since then

No, I doubt she'll play Frog and company at their own game. They came into a pre-existing network complete with a base. The biggest question mark of whether she succeeds will be the non CG indie scene. Do people like Pulido, Keyfabe, Tucci, and Tennaple embrace her. They do that and she could make it.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'm sort of amazed that nobody's dared mention Gail venturing into crowdfunding. I wonder why? Perhaps it's the fact that she' making bank, (4,194 backers pledged $117,660 so far) or perhaps it's the fact she's charging $15 for an 80 page graphic novel compared to the $25 CG average.
Speaking of Cecil... I see he has a video about Gail starting a Youtube channel...
......wait what..?

Oh boy...... this could be fun... is she going to play comicsgate at their own game or is this some kind of sly attempt to get comicsgate channels banned for community guidelines breaches? After all, you really need to be on a platform to to be effective in getting other users banned...

Unlike most of the other clueless pink haired morons, while Gail may be a foul harpy, she's not a complete idiot. She is remarkably astute at reading the tea leaves and positioning herself to profit from it. If she's going the #comicsgate crowd funding route, it means she knows the death spiral is entering the final plunge and the comic industry gravy train is about to plunge over the cliff. I think Ethan sees this too.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Unlike most of the other clueless pink haired morons, while Gail may be a foul harpy, she's not a complete idiot. She is remarkably astute at reading the tea leaves and positioning herself to profit from it. If she's going the #comicsgate crowd funding route, it means she knows the death spiral is entering the final plunge and the comic industry gravy train is about to plunge over the cliff. I think Ethan sees this too.

It's not gonna make this picture and the associated tweet about "taking over comics" age very well, is it?

 

[GranDuke]

That's actually something I'm wondering now. What was the industry like in the late 2000s/early 2010s before wokeshit?

Did going woke send comics into a death spiral or merely accelerate a decline that was already happening?

It was actually doing worse than it is now. While data is not reliable due to nobody releasing complete numbers and methodologies changing over the years you can get general idea by looking over this page: https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html

Does it mean that "woke comics" increased the sales? Not really. I'd say main things that helped the market are:

1. Collected editions now are hotter than they were 10-20 years ago. Back then it was almost entirely DC's market, now everyone is trying to play there.
2. Despite all the doom and gloom digital comics had very small impact on comics sold to comic book shops. But digital comics added around 100$ mil to the industry.

Does it mean that everything is great? No, if AT&T decides that comics are not worthwhile then entire industry is likely to collapse since no one is going to be able to fill that 25-30% hole left in the market.

One thing that people often overlook, while looking at the sales charts, is how entire TOP 300 is doing. Often TOP 10 is doing worse than it did X years ago, but when you look at what 300th position sold it often paints completely different picture.

 

[CheezzyMach]

It was actually doing worse than it is now. While data is not reliable due to nobody releasing complete numbers and methodologies changing over the years you can get general idea by looking over this page: https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html

Does it mean that "woke comics" increased the sales? Not really. I'd say main things that helped the market are:

1. Collected editions now are hotter than they were 10-20 years ago. Back then it was almost entirely DC's market, now everyone is trying to play there.
2. Despite all the doom and gloom digital comics had very small impact on comics sold to comic book shops. But digital comics added around 100$ mil to the industry.

Does it mean that everything is great? No, if AT&T decides that comics are not worthwhile then entire industry is likely to collapse since no one is going to be able to fill that 25-30% hole left in the market.

One thing that people often overlook, while looking at the sales charts, is how entire TOP 300 is doing. Often TOP 10 is doing worse than it did X years ago, but when you look at what 300th position sold it often paints completely different picture.

Hmm so it's like I thought, comics were already in decline and and all the reboots/going woke was a desperate attempt to appeal to a younger demo.

So you don't think Marvel is going be able to monopolize it like WWE did to wrestling when WCW folded in 2001?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

2. Despite all the doom and gloom digital comics had very small impact on comics sold to comic book shops. But digital comics added around 100$ mil to the industry.

I admit I'm not really following the CG follies much these days, but this surprises me. I thought the digital market was still almost an afterthought to most comic book purchasers.

Would be really interesting to learn how much does that work out to be on an annual basis, and what percent of total sales are in fact now digital. Which of course we'll never learn because all the companies keep those numbers close to the vest, from Amazon (owners of Comixology) on down.

 

[GranDuke]

So you don't think Marvel is going be able to monopolize it like WWE did to wrestling when WCW folded in 2001?

I think main difference is specialized comic book stores. When WCW went down it didn't have much of an impact for TV stations. With comic book shops it is different, there are many reports about them doing poorly and you can bet that if DC goes down then bunch of shops will go down as well since they won't be able to sell new Batman or Superman comics. With shops closing it will cut into other publishers profits as well, because those same shops that were being kept alive by Batman most likely were also selling Marvel and Image comics. So it can create a cascade effect.

Obviously it doesn't mean that comics would die then, they just likely would completely shift to digital, OGNs and subscription model.

I admit I'm not really following the CG follies much these days, but this surprises me. I thought the digital market was still almost an afterthought to most comic book purchasers.

Well that depends on who you are asking. Some people were saying that Comixology will kill comic book shops because why you'd go to a shop when you can buy digital copy. Others said that nobody is going to buy digital when you can buy real thing. So I guess truth is somewhere in the middle?

Would be really interesting to learn how much does that work out to be on an annual basis, and what percent of total sales are in fact now digital. Which of course we'll never learn because all the companies keep those numbers close to the vest, from Amazon (owners of Comixology) on down.

I vaguely remember reading few years ago that digital usually has 10% of physical sales, but it wasn't source and more of a "a guy who knows a guy said to another guy" story so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

I do remember Marvel making a big thing about how Ms. Marvel's digital sales matched her physical sales, but I don't remember anyone else shouting about similar thing so I'd guess that digital coming close to physical sales is super rare thing.

 

[FROG]

I'm sort of amazed that nobody's dared mention Gail venturing into crowdfunding. I wonder why? Perhaps it's the fact that she' making bank, (4,194 backers pledged $117,660 so far) or perhaps it's the fact she's charging $15 for an 80 page graphic novel compared to the $25 CG average.
Speaking of Cecil... I see he has a video about Gail starting a Youtube channel...
......wait what..?

Don't be amazed, it was back in 2013. So it's old news.

Zack and I looked at that campaign as something to beat all the time back in 2018.

Gail's YouTube channel is sad and weird, but maybe she'll get the hang of it.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I watched Gail's vid.

Does she have a mental dysfunction or is this some act to get sympathy? I knew she was exceptional but damn not that exceptional. Her video had the production of something a 13 year old would make.