Discourse is dead forever and whoever is the funniest will win the future

[Foxxo]

I feel like I've been left forever damaged by Sargon, because I still find him funny.

He still won't acknowledge that he killed UKIP, by the way.

 

[Icasaracht]

I feel like I've been left forever damaged by Sargon, because I still find him funny.

He still won't acknowledge that he killed UKIP, by the way.

Because Sargon's really fucking funny. He's the kind of guy to score 100 on an IQ test, sit atop the bell curve, chuckle and proclaim "I Win!"

 

[Marissa Moira]

He still won't acknowledge that he killed UKIP, by the way.

And OJ still won't admit that he killed two people.

 

[An Ghost]

Saul Alinsky wrote in Rules for Radicals that tactics for change should always be fun. If it's not fun, then what's the point?

 

[Terrorist]

The 'rise of the right' everyone is freaking out about is actually just the rise of comedy. Hitler and the n-word and all sorts of anti-intellectual shit like climate change denial, anti-vaccines, whatever is due to the fact that that side is really funny and tramples all over things we previously established as sacred in the 2000s and grew reverent of in the 2010s.

Though with the anti-porn pro-state rhetoric growing now, I think the pendulum is going to swing again. The anti-intellectualism is getting to a point where it is stepping on the toes of people in the same way that the left had before, and the tide of demand for personal freedom conflicts with the most prominent influencers on the right. If you started loving Hitler because he was going to put the SJWs in labor camps you might start looking at other potential policies and wonder "how does this benefit me?" when you're not in on the joke

Not everybody is a blackpilled nihilist who wants to laugh while the world burns. The "rise of the right" isn't just jokes, it's a genuine reaction to how fucked up the status quo is. A lot of people get into the alt-right for the humor bc those jokes and memes are truthful commentary on the pozzed anti-white CURRENT YEAR and they can relate.

 

[The Pink Panther]

You have an interesting take.

Why take things seriously? Humor has more longevity than serious analysis. Humor actually helps people analyze situations better, for their understanding at the very least, but it also deters their vision on the world. Think about shit like Crowder, Oliver, Colbert, or even Carlin, are people who have used humor as a way to propagate their perspectives on the world. Humor is a powerful tool. It is not only a sedative, but it's also an informant and a powerful one at that.

 

[HensKenKline]

Can you bring up an example of Sargon making a statement that exemplifies your criticism? Your post is so generalistic it's hard to agree with or argue against.

I will say though, I am not under the impression the "the left" is any more intellectual than "the right", they just like to appeal to science (=shit media says scientists say is science) instead of making actual arguments. I think this is because there's a lot of intellectually dishonest trolls in the "science" community publishing all kinds of "research" every day that would fall apart under scrutiny, especially all the kinds of social sciences. However they publish so much in such an organized way that it's impossible to even take apart as fast as they churn it out - and if you did it, nobody would write about it either. People would do well to remember that truth is about making sound and logical arguments supported by strong evidence, not about having a PhD and calling yourself a scientist, because that's just an appeal to authority in the end.

As for the memes, I'm sure there's a handful of actual Nazi supporters out there, but I'm also pretty sure most if it is just jokes. Who in their right mind would support actual Nazis? Actual Nazis care for freedom of speech arguably even less than today's SJWs.

As for right-wing Youtubers in general ... I'll grant you many of them are fucking annoying, but I find Akkad to actually be pretty tolerable. Shapiro is way worse imo, at least Akkad sprinkles in some historical knowledge and is a bit chill about his presentation. Thing is, you don't have to focus on people like Shapiro etc. They are what you say, demagogues appealing to low IQ people, but that doesn't mean that the political position they stand for is as dumb as their own selves. The left wing has the same low IQ rhetorics available, fearmongering about racists and the "alt-right" and whatnot.

If you want to have a good argument about something, I think there's enough ways available to have it. The existence of a few annoying ideological "pop stars" doesn't really take that away. And these pop stars have always existed anyway. If anything, the internet today at least gives us the chance to question this stuff. In the past, it was all a one-way street: Newspaper or TV straight into your mind, with no way to talk back.

 

[Spedestrian]

You're absolutely right. Allow me to demonstrate:

Discourse is 30 gallons of piss warm beer, humor is 3 gallons of Everclear.

Boom, your entire idea distilled into a rhyming couplet, all seriousposters blown the fuck out. Discourse? More like pisscourse.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The problem is that by the time you are ready to actually argue about a topic you are already deadset in your belief and won't change it, and in the case of onlookers they'll care more about charisma/their-peers than actual "facts and logic" (otherwise Sanders campaign would have sunk the moment a guy with a calculator showed up). And yeah, it's not new.
The best way to actually change a person's mind is putting him in a physical situation that makes him question his beliefs.

 

[spurger king]

Discourse is massively overrated. Ideas don't make people do things, and a better world is not a result of enough people just believing precisely the right things. Soygon is cringe because he's a fat limey on youtube who has adopted the persona of an ancient conqueror.

 

[Linako 2.0]

With that said, human stupidity does actually have it's limits.

I've met people who don't even know how to boil water, never knew what the French flag looked like despite taking French for 6 months, and just social media in general, the stupidity of the masses will be infinite no matter how much we try to throw literacy and knowledge at them.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The political GOP/DNC debates are basically just Internet Bloodsports for boomers. People yelling at each other.

Dude as much of a shit show the debates on TV are, they aren't that different than back in the day. Thomas Jefferson legit called his opponent a “a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, not the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.” and claimed he was in league with the King of England. Nothing has really changed in our political discourse..we just get to see the shit show live on tv now.

 

[heyilikeyourmom]

Calling someone a Nigger is only insulting because you let it be insulting.

A nigger isn't any different than calling someone an idiot. A Nigger is someone who lacks higher functioning in their brain and only operates on simplistic pre-determined thought patterns like an animal or a robot.

"But but MUH HISTORY" you say, the root word of Nigger is the latin word Nigra which means black it was The Dutch who originally coined the original version of Nigger which meant black man. Are you really going to let this specter of Holland haunt your very dreams? The Slavery argument doesn't even hold up because it was a Slave MARKET. The Slave ships were the buyers and only bought the slaves (to later be resold) because the Africans themselves were selling. Africa didn't value human life the way the west does, africa still doesn't. They felt that you could exchange a human life for material goods because it was one less mouth to feed and one less possible problem removed from their society. The coastal slave markets drove the inland tribes and slave markets into bankrupcy because nobody wanted to set foot on africa due to malaria and other diseases.

So yes even considering the history of the word nigger, that argument doesn't even hold water.

So fuck off with your pearl clutching nigger.

Try running around screaming the word in public and see if your reasoning stops people from fucking you up.

 

[Orion Balls]

Who ever has the most power and influence will win in the future as they always have. Arguments don't matter money does.

Off topic, but that's one reason I dislike anarchists so much. Tear down the system, and who will be in charge? Those with resources and charisma, same as now. (Also the fact that they always seem to rinse their pepper sprayed eyes out with mil.k from one of the giant conglomerates they hate so much.)

 

[Marissa Moira]

Try running around screaming the word in public and see if your reasoning stops people from fucking you up.

I probably wouldn't rile up any black people, probably just a few hordes of butch lesbians.

 

[Slap47]

Null misses the crucial point. Sargon doesn't just memorize things like Locke, he also does so incorrectly.

Right wing anti-intellectualism isn't as bad as left wing anti-intellectualism due to a lack of power. However, it will be in the future as it's influence is more pronounced.

Unfortunately, the right only claims to care about freedom when they lack power. We'll see things reverse very quickly. Remember the moral majority and the rights historical view of civil liberties.

 

[UF6]

When we want our leaders to entertain us, when we want our leaders to be a person you would want to drink a beer with, and more of a personality with a cult following that with break our in playing the saxophone (like Bill Clinton did for his first presidential run). Just looking at questions and answers from previous presidential races like Richard Nixon or John F. Kennedy, it is amazing in retrospect how discourse has changed in our society, but that can be to having a society bombarded with information if only they look at their phones or desktop computer. What we have today is a bunch of senior citizens (and a humanoid rat) screaming at each other with no real policies, just selling a dream, and they hope you vote for it; sort of like a Kickstarter for a video game not even made yet, only one of them is a greater disappointment in our life though.


It reminds me of how society likes demagogues; they bring in high ratings, which is why many things in our country and our global society are all wrong. It does not end with Orange Man, and it will persist much further after he leaves office and dies from eating too many McHeartAttack Burgers. Seeing society going off an existential cliff as we all get to onlookers is not something any of us wish to see or partake in, but Boomers will boom, and Xers will fall in line to be the narcissists cooperate prostitutes in two-piece suits.

The information age is not we foresaw it as today; I sort of having like the 1990s nostalgia about a fledgling internet and the endless possibilities and potential, but limiting it to the masses seems like the only way to people get protected without context.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Null misses the crucial point. Sargon doesn't just memorize things like Locke, he also does so incorrectly.

One of the weirder aspects of the skeptics is their tendacy to present themselves as intellectuals when they're clearly not. At best Sargon is a right wing pundit in the vein of Rush limbaugh or Michael Savage who in turn arnt particulary good sources of information or thought. More honestly Sargons a fat sperg who mistook his success with slightly bitter nerds as him having a legitimate point.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Null misses the crucial point. Sargon doesn't just memorize things like Locke, he also does so incorrectly.

Right wing anti-intellectualism isn't as bad as left wing anti-intellectualism due to a lack of power. However, it will be in the future as it's influence is more pronounced.

Unfortunately, the right only claims to care about freedom when they lack power. We'll see things reverse very quickly. Remember the moral majority and the rights historical view of civil liberties.

I am eagerly awaiting the Left to "become" champions of free speech and expression again once the Right gets drunk on power like in the 80s.

While conviently ignoring their own SJW idiocy.

 

[Emperor Julian]

I am eagerly awaiting the Left to "become" champions of free speech and expression again once the Right gets drunk on power like in the 80s.

While conviently ignoring their own SJW idiocy.

Perhaps we should be grateful for some sort of equilibrium, someone is always willing to stand for freedom even if their stance is self-serving. Afterall if hypocrisy was really that big an obsticle we'd still all be living in caves eating mammoth dung and being scared of that Tiger with big teeth.