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If the immunity is down, but once its GONE, immunity is HIGH. That's why we have an immune system. Many times the immune system can handle many blights on its own.

For Gods sake, that's why we have flu shots!

Calm down sweeties
Incorrect.



75,000 ill, 2,000 deaths, many thousands recovered: Can you get coronavirus twice?
John Bacon
USA TODAY



The number of confirmed cases in the coronavirus outbreak racing across China and seeping around the globe rolled past 75,700 Wednesday, and though more than 2,100 people have died, many thousands more have recovered.
With no end to the outbreak in sight, health officials grapple with the issue of reinfection – whether people can "catch" the virus again.
Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing, said a protective antibody is generated in those who are infected.
"However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Li said. "For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse."
Li urged patients who have recovered from COVID-19 to be vigilant in their hygiene, such as washing their hands often.
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If the immunity is down, but once its GONE, immunity is HIGH. That's why we have an immune system. Many times the immune system can handle many blights on its own.

For Gods sake, that's why we have flu shots!

Calm down sweeties
What are you talking about.
You said it was like the flu.
I just told you it's not.

The Flu will weaken your immune system inducing or increasing suspectability to other bacteria and virus attacks.

The Corona Virus will together with your immune system destroy your lugns on its own, in addition to making you more suspectible to other diseases.

So the symptoms of the Flu are nothing like the symptoms of the Corona virus but you may contract a bacterial disease with the Flu that leads to some similarities.
It's like saying that a Honda looks the same as a Ferrari. No it doesn't, but you could maybe restyle it to look the same.
 
A team from the University of Milan just got a paper (a short communication, truly) on the effective reproduction number of Coronavirus accepted:

Early Phylogenetic Estimate of the Effective Reproduction Number Of Sars‐CoV‐2

Tl;dr: the epidemic must have originated between October and November, contrary to what China told, and somewhere in December the virus possibly mutated, severely increasing its transmittability.

The team is based and redpilled, since this year they also published "Contribution of transgender sex workers to the complexity of the HIV-1 epidemic in the metropolitan area of Milan ". Conclusions are:
South American transgenders largely contribute to the heterogeneity of HIV-1 variants in our country [...]. Our results strongly advocate interventions to facilitate prevention, diagnosis and HIV-1 care continuum among transgender people.

Anyway, bullet points of the relevant stuff in the paper:

- They used phylogenetics, i.e. they studied how the virus evolved over time and retro-fitted their results to trace back origin and characteristics of the first occurences of the Coronavirus. Most importantly, phylogenetics is less affected by omissions or delayed notifications of cases, so it should produce reliable results. According to their model:
- The epidemic originated an estimated mean 3.7 months before the present (BP), corresponding to October-November 2019, several weeks before the first cases were described.
- the transmission rate increased from 40.5 to 112.4 in units per year in December 2019.
- The estimated R0 (the number of secondary cases induced by a single infected individual in a totally susceptible population) range from 2.2 to 2.9, although they changed from 1.4 to >7 during the first phases of the epidemic.
- The effective reproduction number, Re, however, jumped from <1 to 2.4 during December 2019. This could be due to an increase in the transmissibility of the virus or in the contact rates within the population.
- The first passage of the virus from animal to human occurred through rather inefficient and still unknown transmission modes causing relatively few cases in the early times (before December). In December, the virus acquired more efficient mode of human-to-human transmission (i.e. through droplets), causing an exponential growth.
- The estimated epidemic doubling time was between 3.9 and 4.3 days. Previous studies have suggested that the doubling time during the early phases of the epidemic was about 7.4 days.

@Otterly should be better equipped than me for further eventual commentaries on this.
 

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What are you talking about.
You said it was like the flu.
I just told you it's not.

The Flu will weaken your immune system inducing or increasing suspectability to other bacteria and virus attacks.

The Corona Virus will together with your immune system destroy your lugns on its own, in addition to making you more suspectible to other diseases.

So the symptoms of the Flu are nothing like the symptoms of the Corona virus but you may contract a bacterial disease with the Flu that leads to some similarities.
It's like saying that a Honda looks the same as a Ferrari. No it doesn't, but you could maybe restyle it to look the same.

If your elderly or a child, yes , you can die from the flu....but the human immune system is what causes recovery. Meds, rest, hygiene, all that aids the immune system. Otherwise, everyone would die of it.
Everyone. Like the bubonic plague.
 
Human antibodies work for both bacteria and viral infections. Are you ok? You sound like you read Corona details then took a hit of meth.
Secondary response depends on the proteins of the capsid (for viri) or membrane (for celular pathogens be them prokaryotes or eukaryotes like fungi), it is SPECIFIC, which means it first needs to identify the pathogen before triggering it. This is because there's MILLIONS of types of human antibodies, some pages back I explained how B cells trigger them go check that shit from the index. But summary is, the reason why we vaccinate against each pathogen individually is that we need to recognize each pathogen individually. Yes, sometimes some of them are similar enough than they get recognized as the same by the body. This is how vaccines were discovered to begin with, but that is far from the norm, and we have no evidence it happens with this virus.
 
Something tells me you're getting agitated.

Huh?

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- The estimated R0 (the number of secondary cases induced by a single infected individual in a totally susceptible population) range from 2.2 to 2.9, although they changed from 1.4 to >7 during the first phases of the epidemic.


That's great news. But how does it explain the Italian situation where in a matter of days it has exploded?
The truth then must be that there were several superspreaders?

Is there any way to track the daily figures in say Italy back in time based on some of the overlays that exist?
 
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Secondary response depends on the proteins of the capsid (for viri) or membrane (for celular pathogens be them prokaryotes or eukaryotes like fungi), it is SPECIFIC, which means it first needs to identify the pathogen before triggering it. This is because there's MILLIONS of types of human antibodies, some pages back I explained how B cells trigger them go check that shit from the index. But summary is, the reason why we vaccinate against each pathogen individually is that we need to recognize each pathogen individually. Yes, sometimes some of them are similar enough than they get recognized as the same by the body. This is how vaccines were discovered to begin with, but that is far from the norm, and we have no evidence it happens with this virus.


Let's not underestimate the human immune system. There was a time when there were no doctors or medicines for healing.

Itll be ok.
 
Let's not underestimate the human immune system. There was a time when there were no doctors or medicines for healing.

Itll be ok.

It's the human immune system that is causing the deaths together with the Virus in old people. That's why healthy young adults aren't dying, the immune system is strong enough to kill it, it can just end up destroying your lugns first if they are already in a bad shape.

It will be ok for you, maybe me. It won't for our parents or especially grandparents.
 
Read the thread, we have been seeing posts and even interviews with crematory workers for weeks saying they have been running 24/7 when 4-6 hours a day 5 days a week is normal for them.

That's not the way crematoriums work, tho and their uptick in activity can't be all blamed on Corona. You have to heat up the machines to begin with and then you actually have to burn the body which for most adults takes 1 to 3 hours depending on the size of the deceased. 4 to 6 hours wouldn't be productive for a creamatorium as you'd only be doing maximum of six bodies if it was a perfect 1 hr to burn 1 body and if you assume Wuhan has a standard death rate of 150+ people a day, like many large cities, when Corona isn't active, that's only 30 bodies a week per machine per crematorium. That's without considering the type and age of the machines they may be using.

Government mandate that all bodies be burned reguardless of cause of death is what's put them into hyperdrive. So it isn't the measure or tell that you'd think. As normally the deaths are more spaced, not so urgent to burn immediately, not all people choose cremation, etc.

There are too many factors at play. Some of the home deaths will be those who were sick from Corona and died and some will be elderly and young who needed other care but were too afraid of getting Corona to go to the doctor- like how many died of a burst appendix - we just don't know. Some will be people whose time is up, corona be damned. People haven't stopped dying from everything else because of Corona and there's probably a massive uptick of those dying from medical negligence because poor medical facilities are now overwhelmed by Corona.

Corona seems to target the elderly, smokers, those already sick with other maladies, ACE2 (?) receptors, and possibly males harder.

China has an aging population, less than stellar health facilites to begin with, prefer male children, heavy smoking culture, heavy air pollution, more receptors.

It's the literal perfect storm.
 
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Is this for real? So the Italians, known for losing both world wars and having a pizza chef write the Bible of Fascism decided to hide all virus stats and only announce deaths and severe infections?
What kind of rights do we have to bash China for supposedly lying about the actual numbers when western countries don't even want to announce them anymore?
Claimed to reduce panicking? Yeah fucking right.

China's numbers show a death toll of 2% which is severely underestimated due to the gathering process that I've regurgitated ad nauseam.
Anyone primary school kid that did one class in mathematics knows how to divide a number by 0.02 or rather times by 50.

This is pathetic. Hope this virus kills more politicians.

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What numbers? Everything is fine.
 
It's the human immune system that is causing the deaths together with the Virus in old people. That's why healthy young adults aren't dying, the immune system is strong enough to kill it, it can just end up destroying your lugns first if they are already in a bad shape.

It will be ok for you, maybe me. It won't for our parents or especially grandparents.

But that's always the issue with the natural flu with elderly. And that's due to weakened immune system in elderly patients.

For a disease to "kill"" a human the viruses and bacteria out reproduce the white blood cells.
 
No and that's what I've been trying to explain to you in 4 posts now. That is the case with the Flu, yes.

That is not the case here. They may have an excellent immune system but if they are old, if their lugns are damaged (say by smoking) or if they've had a history of diseases there then the virus and the immune system together as they fight will have a large chance of destroying them.

That's basically what's different about the virus and why it's killing people even if they are taken into isolation fast and not exposed to anything.

Let's say you're fighting over a bridge and your guys do a lot of damage to the enemy virus guys. That's great and all. But only if the bridge is good. If it's already in crappy shape it will collapse even if you beat the disease.

With the Flu you're fighting over the bridgehead rather than the bridge.
 
No and that's what I've been trying to explain to you in 4 posts now. That is the case with the Flu, yes.

That is not the case here. They may have an excellent immune system but if they are old, if their lugns are damaged (say by smoking) or if they've had a history of diseases there then the virus and the immune system together as they fight will have a large chance of destroying them.

That's basically what's different about the virus and why it's killing people even if they are taken into isolation fast and not exposed to anything.

Let's say you're fighting over a bridge and your guys do a lot of damage to the enemy virus guys. That's great and all. But only if the bridge is good. If it's already in crappy shape it will collapse even if you beat the disease.

With the Flu you're fighting over the bridgehead rather than the bridge.

Most smokers don't have a healthy immune system.and yes, that's how an elderly person dies from pneumonia from complications of the flu.
I said this before. Calm down, dear. We're on the same page.
 
No and that's what I've been trying to explain to you in 4 posts now. That is the case with the Flu, yes.

That is not the case here. They may have an excellent immune system but if they are old, if their lugns are damaged (say by smoking) or if they've had a history of diseases there then the virus and the immune system together as they fight will have a large chance of destroying them.

That's basically what's different about the virus and why it's killing people even if they are taken into isolation fast and not exposed to anything.

Let's say you're fighting over a bridge and your guys do a lot of damage to the enemy virus guys. That's great and all. But only if the bridge is good. If it's already in crappy shape it will collapse even if you beat the disease.

With the Flu you're fighting over the bridgehead rather than the bridge.
There is no point in arguing with the mentally disabled.
 
that's only 30 bodies a week per machine per crematorium.
They have 14 crematoriums in Wuhan.
Again, we have been over this, even the mainstream media has recognized this.


China’s culture of lies has helped spread coronavirus
By Steven W. Mosher
February 8, 2020 | 12:22pm | Updated
Enlarge Image

Dr. Li Wenliang is dead of the coronavirus — after being censured by the Chinese government for raising the alarm.

Dr. Li Wenliang is dead of the coronavirus -- after being censured by the Chinese government for raising the alarm.

The video out of China’s Hubei province is heartbreaking: A young woman stands outside the doors of a hospital while a body bag is unceremoniously dumped in the back of a hospital van. As the vehicle pulls away into the night, bound for a nearby crematorium, she can be heard crying, “Mama, mama.” She takes a few halting steps after the vehicle before breaking down in tears.
“I didn’t have a chance to say goodbye,” she sobs. “They wouldn’t even tell me what killed my mother. But we all know that it was the coronavirus.”
The publicly reported number of deaths is horrific enough — as of Friday night the toll had risen to 722 — but the evidence suggests that the actual number of victims is far, far higher.
How many people in China have fallen victim to the coronavirus to date? One hint comes from how busy Wuhan’s 14 crematoriums have suddenly become.
One crematorium manager told a Hong Kong reporter that, in normal times, his 24 ovens were lit five days a week for four hours at a time. Now, he said, they have so many corpses to deal with that all the ovens are going around the clock. This suggests the body count must be in the thousands.

With the epidemic spreading throughout China, the Ministry of Public Security, which controls all of the police departments in the country, has swung into action. A Feb. 28 directive ordered all police throughout the country to make “wartime preparations.”
The police are to “maintain social stability” by “severely” punishing any public or online reporting about the spread of the epidemic. They are also to help “control the disease” by enforcing quarantine orders and helping to speed the distribution of medical supplies.
In other words, China’s leaders know they have a national emergency on their hands but, for political reasons, are still trying to control the narrative by downplaying the seriousness of the epidemic. The Communist Party’s penchant for secrecy drives it to punish those who report honestly and accurately about this unfolding disaster. Even though honest and accurate reporting would save lives.
This week, Dr. Li Wenliang, 34, died from the coronavirus after trying to spread word of the disease weeks before China would admit it was a serious threat. When Wenliang first warned his medical school classmates on Dec. 30 about the outbreak, police detained him for “rumor-mongering” and his posts were censored.
Instead of transparency, party leaders at all levels engage in multiple deceptions. They attribute many deaths to other causes, like simple pneumonia, and then cremate the bodies before an autopsy can be performed. They limit the number of coronavirus test kits that hospitals are given each day, thus reducing the number of “proven cases” that can be diagnosed. They deliberately underreport the number of deaths, while keeping the crematoria furnaces going day and night to destroy the evidence of their deceit.
Enlarge ImageFuneral house workers remove the body of a resident, suspected of dying from the coronavirus, from their home in a residential building in Wuhan, China.FEATURECHINA/Newscom/Sipa USA
Now the scope of the disaster is coming through even in official pronouncements. On Jan. 28, for example, the Hubei authorities announced that they were offering “free cremation for the corpses of coronavirus victims. Vehicles, staff, and protective gear are being dispatched to each funeral home [in Wuhan] to improve the capacity of transporting and dealing with the corpses.”
If this sounds like there are an awful lot of corpses to “deal with,” that’s because there are. Why else would the authorities have forbidden funerals and mandated immediate cremation — if not to prevent the dead bodies from piling up?
There is some suggestion that, like the deadly SARS virus of 2004, the new coronavirus escaped from a research lab in China. But whether the virus itself is the result of evil or incompetence, the epidemic itself is a creation of the Chinese Communist Party.
Had party leaders not delayed taking action for weeks after the first coronavirus infections appeared and had they been transparent about the danger it posed to the Chinese people, the epidemic would likely already be under control.
Instead, the victims of Beijing’s man-made epidemic are being cremated as fast as the ovens can burn.
Without even a chance for their relatives to say goodbye.
 
Let's not underestimate the human immune system. There was a time when there were no doctors or medicines for healing.

Itll be ok.

I'm not denying that I've actually been saying that for a while. All I'm trying to clarify is that while some posts back I speculated that viral infections might prepare against this virus and that might cause the discrepancy we're seeing in spain, no evidence has been found of this and therefore that's just a tentative possible exception. What we would expect is the opposite and therefore you can't use it as an argument against this new CHINAHNUMBAHWANfag. I disagree with his CCP dickriding as much as you but the argument was still bad.

No and that's what I've been trying to explain to you in 4 posts now. That is the case with the Flu, yes.

That is not the case here. They may have an excellent immune system but if they are old, if their lugns are damaged (say by smoking) or if they've had a history of diseases there then the virus and the immune system together as they fight will have a large chance of destroying them.

That's basically what's different about the virus and why it's killing people even if they are taken into isolation fast and not exposed to anything.

Let's say you're fighting over a bridge and your guys do a lot of damage to the enemy virus guys. That's great and all. But only if the bridge is good. If it's already in crappy shape it will collapse even if you beat the disease.

With the Flu you're fighting over the bridgehead rather than the bridge.

You mean a cytokine cascade? 'Cause that shit triggers in young people more than in old people.

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Is this for real? So the Italians, known for losing both world wars and having a pizza chef write the Bible of Fascism decided to hide all virus stats and only announce deaths and severe infections?
What kind of rights do we have to bash China for supposedly lying about the actual numbers when western countries don't even want to announce them anymore?
Claimed to reduce panicking? Yeah fucking right.

China's numbers show a death toll of 2% which is severely underestimated due to the gathering process that I've regurgitated ad nauseam.
Anyone primary school kid that did one class in mathematics knows how to divide a number by 0.02 or rather times by 50.

This is pathetic. Hope this virus kills more politicians.

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What numbers? Everything is fine.

Add it to the list!
 
They have 14 crematoriums in Wuhan.
Again, we have been over this, even the mainstream media has recognized this.


China’s culture of lies has helped spread coronavirus
By Steven W. Mosher
February 8, 2020 | 12:22pm | Updated
Enlarge Image

Dr. Li Wenliang is dead of the coronavirus — after being censured by the Chinese government for raising the alarm.

Dr. Li Wenliang is dead of the coronavirus -- after being censured by the Chinese government for raising the alarm.

The video out of China’s Hubei province is heartbreaking: A young woman stands outside the doors of a hospital while a body bag is unceremoniously dumped in the back of a hospital van. As the vehicle pulls away into the night, bound for a nearby crematorium, she can be heard crying, “Mama, mama.” She takes a few halting steps after the vehicle before breaking down in tears.
“I didn’t have a chance to say goodbye,” she sobs. “They wouldn’t even tell me what killed my mother. But we all know that it was the coronavirus.”
The publicly reported number of deaths is horrific enough — as of Friday night the toll had risen to 722 — but the evidence suggests that the actual number of victims is far, far higher.
How many people in China have fallen victim to the coronavirus to date? One hint comes from how busy Wuhan’s 14 crematoriums have suddenly become.
One crematorium manager told a Hong Kong reporter that, in normal times, his 24 ovens were lit five days a week for four hours at a time. Now, he said, they have so many corpses to deal with that all the ovens are going around the clock. This suggests the body count must be in the thousands.

With the epidemic spreading throughout China, the Ministry of Public Security, which controls all of the police departments in the country, has swung into action. A Feb. 28 directive ordered all police throughout the country to make “wartime preparations.”
The police are to “maintain social stability” by “severely” punishing any public or online reporting about the spread of the epidemic. They are also to help “control the disease” by enforcing quarantine orders and helping to speed the distribution of medical supplies.
In other words, China’s leaders know they have a national emergency on their hands but, for political reasons, are still trying to control the narrative by downplaying the seriousness of the epidemic. The Communist Party’s penchant for secrecy drives it to punish those who report honestly and accurately about this unfolding disaster. Even though honest and accurate reporting would save lives.
This week, Dr. Li Wenliang, 34, died from the coronavirus after trying to spread word of the disease weeks before China would admit it was a serious threat. When Wenliang first warned his medical school classmates on Dec. 30 about the outbreak, police detained him for “rumor-mongering” and his posts were censored.
Instead of transparency, party leaders at all levels engage in multiple deceptions. They attribute many deaths to other causes, like simple pneumonia, and then cremate the bodies before an autopsy can be performed. They limit the number of coronavirus test kits that hospitals are given each day, thus reducing the number of “proven cases” that can be diagnosed. They deliberately underreport the number of deaths, while keeping the crematoria furnaces going day and night to destroy the evidence of their deceit.
Enlarge ImageFuneral house workers remove the body of a resident, suspected of dying from the coronavirus, from their home in a residential building in Wuhan, China.FEATURECHINA/Newscom/Sipa USA
Now the scope of the disaster is coming through even in official pronouncements. On Jan. 28, for example, the Hubei authorities announced that they were offering “free cremation for the corpses of coronavirus victims. Vehicles, staff, and protective gear are being dispatched to each funeral home [in Wuhan] to improve the capacity of transporting and dealing with the corpses.”
If this sounds like there are an awful lot of corpses to “deal with,” that’s because there are. Why else would the authorities have forbidden funerals and mandated immediate cremation — if not to prevent the dead bodies from piling up?
There is some suggestion that, like the deadly SARS virus of 2004, the new coronavirus escaped from a research lab in China. But whether the virus itself is the result of evil or incompetence, the epidemic itself is a creation of the Chinese Communist Party.
Had party leaders not delayed taking action for weeks after the first coronavirus infections appeared and had they been transparent about the danger it posed to the Chinese people, the epidemic would likely already be under control.
Instead, the victims of Beijing’s man-made epidemic are being cremated as fast as the ovens can burn.
Without even a chance for their relatives to say goodbye.


I think he had help dying of not just the Coronavirus
 
Incorrect.



75,000 ill, 2,000 deaths, many thousands recovered: Can you get coronavirus twice?
John Bacon
USA TODAY



The number of confirmed cases in the coronavirus outbreak racing across China and seeping around the globe rolled past 75,700 Wednesday, and though more than 2,100 people have died, many thousands more have recovered.
With no end to the outbreak in sight, health officials grapple with the issue of reinfection – whether people can "catch" the virus again.
Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing, said a protective antibody is generated in those who are infected.
"However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Li said. "For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse."
Li urged patients who have recovered from COVID-19 to be vigilant in their hygiene, such as washing their hands often.
Source-

Correct me if I am wrong, sorry there is a tons of information true or fake about that virus flooding the media, with that quanity to check the credibility, plus i haven't slept good lately.
You can get corona again and again, since it's changing a bit with next iterations, so immunity system can not recognise it exactly

FUGGG
Its getting to ussr/eastern bloc mid+/east europe :oops:
 
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