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@Heinous Fuckery: Teledyne = big motherfucking military contractor. Of course they're gonna clamp down before the civilian companies do.
Oh I know what they do...I guess I wasn’t very specific setting this up (my bad). We’ve been talking about the supply chain so much I took that part for granted.
This is being applied in addition to all the normal measures required to enter the property to simply make a ground delivery.

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I just returned from the last of my prepping shopping trip. Thankfully there's a discount store so I was able to stock up on tons of canned goods, dried foods and water for a low price. The hand sanitizer and gloves were all gone, but from what I noticed nobody in the store was panic buying and the store hasn't been cleaned out and there was lots to go around.

I'm glad I could get all the food when nobody is reacting.
Just ordered about 60 2 liter bottles of diet dew.:/ don't judge I like my dew. 60 bottles of sparkling water about 4 cases of regular old water 10 packs of powder 10 cartons of shelf stable milk at least 70 packs of shirataki noodles 20 nong shim udon 30 pounds of flour and sugar some canned veggies tuna chicken beef seasonings fresh produce and chicken breast and various snacks.
my liquor cabinet is full I restocked it today. So I'm well set for awhile. I'll be eating fresh first then canned. I forgot I bought some dinged up apples and plums on sale going to be making hard cider and umeshu over the week and give some hard cider to my less fortunate friends. The umeshu takes at least 6 months to infuse so six months down the line if it's chaos I'll still have alkie.
 
How the fedgov fucked up with the 1918 flu and killed shitloads of people (yeah, headline is basically ORANGEFUHRERDOOMEDUS but hey, it's the Washington Post):


Trump is ignoring the lessons of 1918 flu pandemic that killed millions, historian says

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Gillian Brockell
Feb. 29, 2020 at 4:00 a.m. PST
The first wave wasn’t that bad. In the spring of 1918, a new strain of influenza hit military camps in Europe on both sides of World War I. Soldiers were affected, but not nearly as severely as they would be later.
Even so, Britain, France, Germany and other European governments kept it secret. They didn’t want to hand the other side a potential advantage.
Spain, on the other hand, was a neutral country in the war. When the disease hit there, the government and newspapers reported it accurately. Even the king got sick.
So months later, when a bigger, deadlier wave swept across the globe, it seemed like it had started in Spain, even though it hadn’t. Simply because the Spanish told the truth, the virus was dubbed the “Spanish flu.”

Now, as fears about the coronavirus spread, at least one historian is worried the Trump administration is failing to heed the lesson of one of the world’s worst pandemics: Don’t hide the truth.

How to prepare for coronavirus in the U.S.
“They [the Trump administration] are clearly trying to put the best possible gloss on things, and are trying to control information,” said John M. Barry, author of “The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History,” in a phone interview with The Washington Post.
When the second wave of Spanish flu hit globally, “there was outright censorship” in Europe, Barry said. “In the United States, they didn’t quite do that, but there was intense pressure not to say anything negative.”

News about the war was carefully controlled by the Committee on Public Information, an independent federal agency whose architect, publicist Arthur Bullard, once said, “The force of an idea lies in its inspirational value. It matters very little if it is true or false.”





Trump considering expanded travel ban, blames media for coronavirus panic








President Trump on Feb. 28 spoke of expanding the travel ban to more countries with coronavirus and blamed the media for stoking public fear. (The Washington Post)
The CPI released thousands of positive stories about the war effort, and newspapers often republished them verbatim. So when the Spanish flu spread across the United States in the fall of 1918, both the government and the media continued the same rosy strategy “to keep morale up.”
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President Woodrow Wilson released no public statements. Surgeon General Rupert Blue said, “There is no cause for alarm if proper precautions are observed.” Another top health official, Barry said, dismissed it as “ordinary influenza by another name.”

But it wasn’t. The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of 2 percent — much higher than seasonal influenza strains, and similar to some early estimates about the coronavirus.
It also differed in who it killed. Seasonal flu tends to be worst for the very young and very old. The Spanish flu was deadliest in young adults.
Such as soldiers crowded into military camps.
A killer flu was raging. But in 1918, U.S. officials ignored the crisis to fight a war.

For the most part, the media followed the government’s lead and self-censored dire news. That made everything worse, Barry said.
For example, in Philadelphia, local officials were planning the largest parade in the city’s history. Just before the scheduled event, about 300 returning soldiers started spreading the virus in the city.
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“And basically every doctor, they were telling reporters the parade shouldn’t happen. The reporters were writing the stories; editors were killing them,” he said. “The Philadelphia papers wouldn’t print anything about it.”
The parade was held and, 48 hours later, Spanish flu slammed the city. Even once schools were closed and public gatherings were banned, city officials claimed it wasn’t a public health measure and there was no cause for alarm, Barry said.
Philadelphia became one of the hardest hit areas of the country. The dead lay in their beds and on the streets for days; eventually, they were buried in mass graves. More than 12,500 residents died, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The flu can kill tens of millions of people. In 1918, that’s exactly what it did.
If a newspaper reported the truth, the government threatened it. The Jefferson County Union in Wisconsin warned about the seriousness of the flu on Sept. 27, 1918. Within days, an Army general began prosecution against the paper under a wartime sedition act, claiming it had “depressed morale.”
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As the pandemic raged through October of that year, Americans could see with their own eyes that the “absurd reassurances” coming from local and national officials weren’t true. This crisis of credibility led to wild rumors about bogus cures and unnecessary precautions, Barry said.
The Spanish flu ultimately killed about 50 million people worldwide, including 675,000 people in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Even President Wilson caught it, in the middle of negotiations to end the Great War.

“I think the No. 1 lesson that came out of the experience is that if you want to prevent panic, you tell the truth,” Barry said.
In 2005 and 2006, Barry contributed as a subject-matter expert to an influenza pandemic plan created by the CDC. He said he felt it was his job to beat the “tell the truth, tell the truth” drum.
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Now, with coronavirus, Barry said he’s “a little bit worried” about the plan being followed. He doesn’t think the Trump administration is “outright lying, but they’re definitely giving you interpretations that seem to be the best-case scenarios.”
He’s particularly concerned about President Trump’s decision to have Vice President Pence oversee the response, instead of an expert such as Anthony Fauci, the doctor who heads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health.

Given the credibility crisis that happened with the 1918 pandemic, Barry said that was “the exact wrong thing to do.”

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TL;DR: It's 1918, America and Europe are under de facto martial law, and governments have clamped down on the press. When the flu pops up, the govts order the papers to print that everything is wonderful, and shitcan any newspaper that reports otherwise. (No radio at the time, much less anything more advanced. The newspapers were literally the only game in town.) The govt-mandated autism got to such a literal nosebleed level that the feds ordered Philadelphia to go ahead with a huge parade despite the fact that everybody else who knew what they were talking about said they shouldn't. A few months later, Philly was fucking Earth Abides, with dead bodies rotting in the streets. The govts kept doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on the autism levels until their credibility was shot, and rumors were more credible. By then, as I said, the streets were full of rotting bodies. Orange Man isn't THAT fucking autistic, fortunately, despite what Jeff Bezos says.
 
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In an exclusive report Friday morning, the JoongAng Ilbo hinted at possible links between Shincheonji and a group of Catholics from North Gyeongsang who recently tested positive for the coronavirus after returning from a pilgrimage to Israel, saying that the son of a member of the Catholic group is a Shincheonji follower.

The son and father both tested positive for the virus.

The Euiseong County Office in North Gyeongsang told the paper Thursday that the son initially denied he was a Shincheonji adherent, but admitted it after county officials found him on the nationwide list of members. The son, however, is said to be denying the accusation he transferred the disease to his father, which county officials said they would investigate further.
 
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reason viruses don't spread much in summer is because people are cleaner in that season. Or rather, people are less likely to wash their hands in winter because it's cold. It's not much related to the weather.

That's not true. Inactivation is a thing and certain viruses are rendered inert by a combination of heat, humidity, and sunlight.
 
Just ordered about 60 2 liter bottles of diet dew.:/ don't judge I like my dew. 60 bottles of sparkling water about 4 cases of regular old water 10 packs of powder 10 cartons of shelf stable tard cum at least 70 packs of shirataki noodles 20 nong shim udon 30 pounds of flour and sugar some canned veggies tuna chicken beef seasonings fresh produce and chicken breast and various snacks.
my liquor cabinet is full I restocked it today. So I'm well set for awhile. I'll be eating fresh first then canned.

I got tons of cans of pineapples and other fruits. I bought these a month ago:
For the vitamin-C and got enough for 60 days so far. I don't know when I'll drink them but I want to keep them stashed away in case of an emergency.
The water at the store I went to had water that's 89 cents for a gallon so I bought 8 of them.
 
I got tons of cans of pineapples and other fruits. I bought these a month ago:
For the vitamin-C and got enough for 60 days so far. I don't know when I'll drink them but I want to keep them stashed away in case of an emergency.
The water at the store I went to had water that's 89 cents for a gallon so I bought 8 of them.
Yeah I'm mostly stocked on dry non pershible goods. I do omad diet so I only eat about once a day so what I bought would last me a lonnng while. The water I bought with store points. Alkie would make this emergency crisis go quicker and I am even planing on making umeshu in case it last 6 months or so. Japanese plum liquor is easy to make just have a neutral base spirit and rock sugar and plums. Get a big jar, fill it with the plums, then add rock sugar pour your spirit of choice, I use cheap taak and let it sit in a cool dark place for 3 to 6 months, 6 months is the preferable time and boom you have a delicious sipping alcohol. For bonus flavour boil the plums first.
 
Guys, as @JosephStalin, and others have said, don't take counsel of your fears.

Even though the situation is grim, it's not the end of the world. We have to remember that technology, and medical science have come a long fucking way since the Spanish Flu, and once indomitable, and inescapable diseases like Small Pox, and Polio have been eradicated, if not outright cured. We've beaten shit like this before, and I have no doubt that we can do it again.

I know my brother's words from my last post implied that we were screwed, but what he meant was that as soon as we actually figure out how the Coronavirus works, the sooner a cure can be made. The Coronavirus might be a dangerous foe, but it's nowhere near one we can't beat.

We just need to keep calm, use common sense, not jump to any outrageous conclusions, continue researching, and for fuck's sake, stop filling the thread with bullshit doomer posts about how "WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE!".

Seriously, the posts were funny at first, and all the info on prepping was really useful, but now they're just super annoying. We're gonna be fine. We're gonna get through this. I know we are. Bat Soup Flu is not going to kill us all, and to think such a thing is exceptional.
 
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The only feeling I have today is the same one I get around this part of every pandemic/disaster scare: I'm just annoyed.

I hate the smugness of the faggots that are now racing around town taking everything that isn't nailed down. These assholes spent the last two months mocking me for trying to get the word out. Still... stay safe, people. And stay away from me unless you want the cleansing fire because my patience is shot. :drink:
 
I went to the store Thursday and bought some canned food and some meat to freeze. Not near enough to get my wife and me through a month, but it's a start. We went today for our regular shopping and all the hand sanitizer was gone except for two big containers, which we got one of. Otherwise, everything looked normal. Normal amount of people for the day and no food appeared low or out of stock. This is in Colorado though, no cases here yet.

I already bought and received two MSA Advantage 1000 respirators with P100 filters for us on ebay. But we'll probably get exposed long before we'd start wearing those. Especially me because of where I work. But, we're both healthy and youngish so I think we get through being infected anyway.
 
I hate the smugness of the faggots that are now racing around town taking everything that isn't nailed down. These assholes spent the last two months mocking me for trying to get the word out. Still... stay safe, people. And stay away from me unless you want the cleansing fire because my patience is shot. :drink:

I wore a mask once when I was riding my bike through the city so I wouldn't have to smell car exhaust and filth. Some dude snarkily said "the masks don't work." They worked for the car exhaust.
 
Ranting about normal people being social aside, here's what rhymes with shoes and gives you the blues.


Don't worry, geriatric patients! Just hang on until April when the weather warms up. It'll all disappear just like a miracle.

I'm honestly getting mad at the absolute incompetence at this point. CDC mishandled the reagents for the first gene sequence it tests for so the tests were wrong (false positives on fucking distilled water.)

Meanwhile Singapore is rapidly developing the capability to mass produce serological tests, which are very accurate and can be used to screen people in contagious areas so we can get a better understanding of the whole asymptomatic infection thing.
 
You only need negative pressure rooms and proper hygiene to stop this one. Aren't all american hospitals fitted with at least a handful or those? Here they're the bloody majority of extensive care rooms if you don't do that then you got much worse issues than wether or not your healthcare is socialized that is dreadful.

That wasnt what I was getting at. 30 top flight bio rooms in a country of 330 million people seems awfully thin. It might be worse because I've seen some sources say the number is 20 (10/6/4 beds respectively) . Like I said, after all this is done with they should up the number some and have more than just three hospitals with them. Seems like a point of failure in the waiting.
 
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The only feeling I have today is the same one I get around this part of every pandemic/disaster scare: I'm just annoyed.

I hate the smugness of the faggots that are now racing around town taking everything that isn't nailed down. These assholes spent the last two months mocking me for trying to get the word out. Still... stay safe, people. And stay away from me unless you want the cleansing fire because my patience is shot. :drink:
I'm sorry if I knew you personally I'd give you the last of my homade cherry infused vodka and pomegranate wine.
 
The govt-mandated autism got to such a literal nosebleed level that the feds ordered Philadelphia to go ahead with a huge parade despite the fact that everybody else who knew what they were talking about said they shouldn't. A few months later, Philly was fucking Earth Abides, with dead bodies rotting in the streets.

Reminds me of Wuhan local officials going forward with their 40,000 person Lunar New Year potluck on Jan 18 when they knew damn well that a disease was circulating.
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Speaking of nosebleeds, here's an article from Smithsonian Mag stating that the Spanish Flu emerged in Kansas (TIL) and that, during the darkest days of the second wave, people were bleeding out of their nose (and their eyes in some cases :stress:) as they died.
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People knew this was not the same old thing, though. They knew because the numbers were staggering—in San Antonio, 53 percent of the population got sick with influenza. They knew because victims could die within hours of the first symptoms—horrific symptoms, not just aches and cyanosis but also a foamy blood coughed up from the lungs, and bleeding from the nose, ears and even eyes.
 
Ah yes this time last week when it was supposed to blow over this week, or is that next week or maybe the week after that?

Didn't they say it'd likely blow over in April? I don't even remember anymore.

Also I realized how much it would suck for women in quarantined areas if they run out of menstrual items. That'll be painful and messy.
 
Central FL, was at Wal Mart for shoes and a wallet as mine are both not-dead-yet but rapidly getting there. So figured get my cheap china shit while it's still there. Glanced at the pharmacy area.
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I went to Target today to get chocolate chips, and entire sections of the food isles had been cleared out. I'm glad I did all my prepping weeks ago, because people are beginning to panic buy.

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