Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Consenticles]

@Consenticles, El Comandante is in your boat as well. *waves hello* Here in Loonyland Adderall requires an in-person doctor visit every 30 days to renew because some stupid state politicians reeeeeeeeeeee'd the fuck out ages ago about adderall being a gateway drug or some horseshit.

Also, the benzo antipsychotics, fuck yeah I really don't want a fucking psychotic crash, went through one a little over a decade ago when a previous psychdoc fucked up, and it is fucking horrifying. Just look at the severe schizos (fortunately I'm rather mild, at least for now) who take their meds for a while and then drop off and go completely batshit, after a while their brains don't respond to anything and they end up sleeping in doorways and ranting to their imaginary friends on street corners.

And the "key ingredient" to all this shit is made in...you guessed it.

Food is the easy part. What happens when everybody's fucking meds run out? It's not just crazies, you have diabetics who will literally FUCKING DIE without their insulin, you have heart failure patients, you have the guys on dialysis, all the transplantees dependent on antirejection dope, all of it made in China. What with the way our civilization has gone, I suppose it was inevitable that something like this would come along to wipe out all the exceptionals.

Insulin is the one I suspect will be most strained. Or at least one of the earliest drugs to have issues down the chain. I reckon it will act as a good indicator for how the rest of the pipeline is doing.

You hear Bernie and co bitching about how we (spoiler: those of us with actual insurance don't have to pay an arm and a leg. It's the insurance companies that foot the majority of the bill, once your copay is hit!) pay so much more for medicines than the rest of the world. In this case, that's not exactly an awful thing. If there is a strain on pharmaceuticals, which country do you think the drug companies are going to fill orders for first? The country that pays them $5 or the one that pays them $50?

I'm not really worried about getting the virus... yeah, it would suck if I was in the 15 percent that need intensive care and hospitalization, but there's no sense dwelling on it. Take care of the things you can control, not the shit that will keep you up at night. My biggest issue would be a contingency plan to ensure my dogs are cared for while myself and (likely) my spouse are sick. If you do have pets, make sure you have a plan for them if you are unable to care for them. Whether this is family coming over everyday and taking them out, feeding them. Or even if you are going to board them while you are away. Just make sure they are accounted for, because once you go in quarantine, it's going to be a real headache trying to figure out the logistics of this.

The thing that bothers me isn't even food supplies or medical supplies being low. I don't care if my amazon packages have a month delay. It's the longterm issues with the supply chain in general that irk me. If the reinfection issues prove to be true, then even China with its billions of workers is going to be hard pressed to keep up with treatment and production. They will have to implement protocols for hygiene and safety, and I guarantee you that someone is going to say "fuck this, what's the worst that can happen?" - because even in the most modern countries there's always some dumbass who has to ruin everything.

The heart and soul of China is its work force, and having just 1/3 of them in a state of quarantine or illness is going to really hurt. It might not be where we expect it, but the supply chain is very long and has many links. Things could go wrong at a single stop along the way and put a stop to the whole operation. Whether that be lack of safety precautions and the virus gets into the product, and all the subsequent links in the chain get sick, or if only working at 30% capacity causes everything collapse, because the next step in the chain isn't getting nearly enough ingredients or supplies. It's just a lot of relying on all the cogs in the machine to properly function. Which is probably why I was never one for team sports in my youth.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

There has been the occasional article about how you don't want manufacturing in your country because it's dirty and icky and employs those people. It's not a commonly held view, though.

Bringing it back to the virus response, Ever since I heard Wilbur Ross say the focus was repatriating the supply chain, I felt the masterstroke (at least PR-wise) would be to offer no-interest and/or guaranteed loans for equipment related to re-establishing supplies affected by the outbreak. If you did it just right you could even put in a claimback clause saying 'if you move this production out of the country in x years, the tooling and equipment are ours now'. Even if it couldn't be sold to the workers in an employee buyout, cheap sales at GSA auction could make for good effects for small business.

Many third world countries do similar things and they work. Spain has "immobile capital" grants for that and they work to some degree but our massive brain drain tells you more is needed. I'd say combining that with small business grants, a business creation effort to aid with information and organization, a general cleaning of our tax laws so people don't find them to be an inexcrutable labyrinth made out of self-employed people's nightmares and maybe to use Democracy 3 terms the young entepeneur scheme and adult education subsidies so people actually use those grants would probably sanitize our mess of an economy quite well. But of course our ruling class would rather have grants for banks, international businesses and their close circle of friends so any laws that make the economy more transparent and manageable is not in their plans... which incidentally is probably why we have such a brain drain.

I'm not kidding when I say here it's well known if you wanna be rich you can't study STEM, and when I chose biotech for a degree practically everyone told me "you're gonna find a job fast, not in spain though, learn english." I find it hilarious in Dem3 the brain drain is caused by the fuckint luxury and mansion taxes but doesn't take into account unemployement and poverty meanwhile here in spain most emmigrants are quite open they wouldn't mind higher taxes if only THEY COULD FIND A SODDING JOB ALREADY. Hell I don't know a single scientist with really expensive tastes over here. Most just assume they're gonna be wasting most of their sallary on their own job if they even have a high sallary. Yeah wanna revamp the infrastructure. Fucking fix that shit first.

Also ultra lol at the "those people". They mean people who want to work and respect people who are useful to society? Oh yeah how evil of them to want to give back to the state to ensure our infrastructure is maintained and they can make a life within it. Obviously they should want to be maintained without ever giving back while bitching online about how opressed they are, that's the RIGHTEOUS thing to do. Fucking ultrakek.

 

[remiem]

Just found these FAQs about the WuFlu.

This post / link should be added to the first post. As it's basically the most common questions answered.

 

[DewsLit]

About 130 in quarantine in Helsinki, Finland. School classes and a football team with coaches.

Update:
A woman, who visited northern Italy and came back earlier this week, was confirmed on Friday to be infected with the coronavirus.
Elder man and a young kid that she was in contact with after the trip got infected by her, confirmed today.
The kid went to school and football practice while being mildly ill.
Now 130 kids and football coaches are quarantined for 14 days.

Except, quarantine apparently means "Go home and stay there. If you develop symptoms, contact hospital"
I'm sure that not one of these 130 is exceptional enough to break the "quarantine".
FFS

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Ever since I heard Wilbur Ross say the focus was repatriating the supply chain, I felt the masterstroke (at least PR-wise) would be to offer no-interest and/or guaranteed loans for equipment related to re-establishing supplies affected by the outbreak. If you did it just right you could even put in a claimback clause saying 'if you move this production out of the country in x years, the tooling and equipment are ours now'. Even if it couldn't be sold to the workers in an employee buyout, cheap sales at GSA auction could make for good effects for small business.

Setting that up takes time though. Long term projects like that can easily be disrupted by agitators. Sometimes they are the competition sometimes they are remoras looking to bleed money off the venture. Market failures abound.

Once their political sponsor who shields them from the worst of it goes away they wither and die. Taking all of the venture capitalists money with them.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Setting that up takes time though. Long term projects like that can easily be disrupted by agitators. Sometimes they are the competition sometimes they are remoras looking to bleed money off the venture. Market failures abound.

Once their political sponsor who shields them from the worst of it goes away they wither and die. Taking all of the venture capitalists money with them.

Not that much actually. If you go for small businesses instead of internationals revamping infrastructure is easy as shit. Yout average small cheese factory can be built in a week or two if they find the supply chain and plan it properly first, with good regional organizers, an org to make sure people within regions can contact quicker for this shit and a decently explained and organized legal system you could revamp a region in a year or two. Agitators are more or an issue qnd we all know antifa, greenpeace and BLM would go apeshit. The ones pulling their strings sure would hate it.

Honestly I've had to study this shit and even met a lot of practical examples and you'd be surprised just how quickly this shit can go when it goes well. But it needs to be easy, transparent and decentralized. And we all know ((((((SOME))))))) don't like that.

 

[Burd Turglar]

No, the Coronavirus Was Not Bioengineered

As I’m sure most of you are aware, there is an ongoing outbreak of a novel coronavirus causing something of a panic around the world. At the time of writing,...

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Thoughts?

 

[BrunoMattei]

A little bird told me ISIS has deliberately infected themselves with Corona and coughing and farting in people's faces at airports and festivals.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Well yes. This is a forgone conclusion however and I'll stress the following.

1. You have to tackle this like this is a bad flu. My wife has got influenza/pneumonia Type A. The Worst you can have and the results and situations on how this happen may result that she may never walk again without assistance (NOTE the O2 tanks and the oxygen concentrator at the lower left hand, Type A is no bullshit, it will kill you in a horrible fashion ). But you have to tackle this current epidemic as I have made in my previous posts. If you do those common sense practices you are going to be fine. If you are just pounding sand up your ass well sux to be you.

2. I have posted the bedroom she will be resting up. I am only doing this to prove my point. I fucking know what I am talking about. The room has been cleaned and disinfected. She will becoming home tomorrow and the real work begins. I'll have at home nurse and other social assistance take care of certain things because she still have the flu and it will take weeks for her to be well. I'll be the one that has to assist to the rest room. To bath her and to do whatever it takes to make her comfortable. That is what love and commitment is all about.


Again we already gave you the information on how to take care of yourself, but it is up to you to do something about yourself.

I'm sorry you're both going through this. I went through the flu/pneumonia a couple of years back and it was horrible.

 

[Male Idiot]

So far no case confirmed in Hungary yet.

We are also saying we will not accept refugees at all and protect the border because they bring Corona-chan from Iran to us. They are no longer just a terror and criminal risk, but an actual plague risk.

Corona chan is also showing us with the empty shelves what it is like in Communism.

 

[JosephStalin]

No, the Coronavirus Was Not Bioengineered

As I’m sure most of you are aware, there is an ongoing outbreak of a novel coronavirus causing something of a panic around the world. At the time of writing,...

www.youtube.com

Thoughts?

Believe he is wrong. Lived in Korea for over three years, many years ago, when conditions were still a bit rough. Went to the outdoor/partially indoor market all the time, saw all sorts of food for sale. Sanitary conditions not the greatest. Just bought fruit there, would buy bread from nearby bakery.

Never caught anything from shopping in the market. Just had a small case of the shits first time eating an Asian pear. Thousands of fellow Americans from the nearby base went to that market, all the time. If there had ever been a respiratory infection at that market the base would have put the market off-limits in a heartbeat. Never happened. Not aware of such a thing happening at any market next to one of the many US bases in Korea at that time.

While things may have changed, this tells me the virus didn't just happen. Believe It was man-made and likely got out of the nearby biological warfare lab in Wuhan.

 

[Thomas Talus]

My mom may have been exposed. She's a nurse in a hospital in WA, not near Kirkland, and two patients have been sent to the ICU to be tested. One has died. The other was on her floor, and my mom was briefly in proximity to them. It's Habbening.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

"First successful lung transplant of ncovid19 patient in China"

How much does this virus fuck you up? I've had pneumonia before don't remember getting my lungs replaced

 

[ulsterscotsman]

I told you!
Coronavirus: First case of Covid-19 confirmed in the Republic of Ireland

(archive.li etc are blocked on my ISP, for some reason. I'm having trouble with the Wayback machine too, with a 504 timeout.
Regardless, here's the archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/2020030...reland-coronavirus-first-ase-4989724-Feb2020/)

THE FIRST CASE of the Covid-19 coronavirus has been confirmed in the Republic of Ireland.

The Department of Health confirmed this evening that the patient is a male in the eastern part of the country. He is currently receiving medical care.

The man is believed to have travelled to Ireland from an area in Italy where coronavirus has been detected.

The HSE is now working to identify people who may have come into contact with the patient.

The National Public Health Emergency Team said that the case “is associated with travel from an affected area in northern Italy, rather than contact with another confirmed case.”

Dr Tony Holohan, the Chief Medical Officer, said that the case was “not unexpected”.

“We have been preparing for this eventuality for many weeks now,” he said in a statement.

“Public health protocols have been in place since January and are operating effectively. The health service is well used to managing infectious diseases and has robust measures in place.”

Hospitals in Ireland barely have enough beds during non emergency times never mind a fucking pandemic, the health system in the south is a fucking shambles relying on under payed migrant nurses and doctors because alot of the natives have pissed off due to poor wages. If this virus gets out of control on this Island then things are going to be bad, really fucking bad.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

It takes about a month to load a ship heading out of China, 2 weeks for it to get anywhere, and 4 weeks for it to be fully unloaded.

What fucking century are you living in? A 6000 TEU container ship can be loaded or unloaded in 2 days. This is why we can import cheap shit from China and everyone makes money.

 

[Aib Ld]

I've been thinking: Is the reason why people downplaying the %2 morality rate because it seems like a small number? People usually know about %50, %70, and so on. But they don't know it apples to the billions of the human population itself and yet its still visibly a small number. I'm thinking it's also the same reason why flu is downplayed despite having a lesser number of %.3. To this day, I still can't how wrap %2 is bad because I don't know how to apply it to such a large number of the population (and math isn't my strong suit), but it is drilled in my head with seeing it as "Someone you know will most likely die when/if they get it".

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Seeing a lot of fearmongering that WuFlu will cause Great Depression 2.0.

If WuFlu is just a superflu that primarily affects young children, the elderly, and immunocompromised in terms of mortality, like the "regular flu" and has a mortality rate similar to the "regular flu" (and its strains), why is it the next Black Plague?

 

[Etrian Autistry]

Seeing a lot of fearmongering that WuFlu will cause Great Depression 2.0.

If WuFlu is just a superflu that primarily affects young children, the elderly, and immunocompromised in terms of mortality, like the "regular flu" and has a mortality rate similar to the "regular flu" (and its strains), why is it the next Black Plague?

Because it'll re-infect you, and instead of giving you a fever, it'll give you a fucking heart attack.

 

[Neon]

Hospitals in Ireland barely have enough beds during non emergency times never mind a fucking pandemic, the health system in the south is a fucking shambles relying on under payed migrant nurses and doctors because alot of the natives have pissed off due to poor wages. If this virus gets out of control on this Island then things are going to be bad, really fucking bad.

Look on the bright side, if that does happen our housing crisis will be history. Isolated rural culchies rise up and grab those Dublin apartments

 

[Otterly]

I don't know how to apply it to such a large number of the population (and math isn't my strong suit),

I’ll probably get a zero wrong and look like an utter plank but 7.5 billion people on earth, 1% of that is 75 million. 1% is in first world countries with good healthcare - place like Iran are showing us it can go much higher. Let’s say 2% as an average. That’s 150 million dead if everyone is infected. Let’s say 1/3 to 2/3 of people are infected (i’d go for the upper number because this is so novel and no one has any defence, people had seen flu before and the lower death rates in the elderly may have been from seeing a similar enough strain in the late 1800s) so between 50-100 million dead.
1918 death estimates vary but are between 50-100 million dead with 1/3 of earth getting it, 1/5 sickening significantly and 3-5% of them dying. There were roughly 1.8 billion on the planet then (we have fucked up enormously population wise...)
The next eight weeks/average 4 transmission cycles will show us what we are dealing with. There are still a lot of variables unknown. Absolute best case scenario is akin to a very nasty flu year. Worst case is 18m of significant strain in health systems, civil unrest and supply chains breaking and a lot of dead people