US Super Tuesday discussion and results

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Live voting results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/03/us/elections/live-analysis-super-tuesday.html

Polls close in Vermont and Virginia at 4pm PST/7pm EST, North Carolina at 4:30pm PST/7:30pm EST, Tennessee, Maine, Texas, Alabama, Massachusetts, and Oklahoma at 5pm PST/8pm EST, and in Arkansas at 5:30pm PST/8:30pm EST. Polls close in Colorado and Minnesota at 6pm PST/9pm EST, in Utah at 7pm EST/10pm EST, and in California at 8pm PST/11 p.m. ET.

Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders
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Michael Bloomberg
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Elizabeth Warren

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The first day of the Democratic contest that really matters for the cold, hard delegate math — Super Tuesday — is almost here.

Tuesday, March 3, will be enormously important because it’s the first day that a lot of the delegates necessary to win the nomination are at stake, and the biggest delegate day overall. A total of 14 states and one territory — including California and Texas, the two most populous states in the country — will hold their primaries or caucuses.

Candidates are competing for about a third of the overall delegates at stake. Those 1,344 delegates allocated on Super Tuesday could effectively settle the race, if one candidate locks down a gigantic lead that will be nearly impossible for anyone else to overcome. The candidate with the best chance of doing that is Sen. Bernie Sanders — his current lead in the polls indicates he can theoretically rack up enough plurality wins in a crowded field to clean up in delegates.

But it’s also possible that Super Tuesday’s delegate haul ends up split among several candidates, with no one having gotten anywhere close to being on track for a majority. That may well mean Democrats are headed to a contested convention.

Whether we’re headed for one of these outcomes (or something in between) depends to a significant extent on Democrats’ complicated delegate allocation rules.


Broadly, delegates are allotted proportionally based on candidates’ performance — the better you do, the more delegates you get. But quirks in the rules mean relatively small differences in the exact split of the votes can lead to large differences in delegates.

We’ll get into the nitty-gritty below. The big picture is that if one person ends up with a commanding lead and gets nearly half the delegates, that candidate will become the overwhelming favorite for the nomination. But if the delegate leader has a narrow edge and is well below half of the delegates, a long, close-fought contest will likely ensue.

1) Why is Super Tuesday a big deal?
It’s simple: There are a whole lot of delegates at stake.

The way to win the Democratic nomination is by winning delegates — specifically, winning 1,991 out of 3,979 pledged delegates, enough for a majority to get the nomination at the Democratic National Convention. And there are 1,344 delegates — one-third of the total — up for grabs in Super Tuesday’s contests.

Though there will be several more months of primaries remaining, it’s possible that Super Tuesday can settle the nomination contest. It’s not mathematically possible to reach the “magic number” of delegates yet — but Al Gore in 2000 and John Kerry in 2004 won so convincingly on Super Tuesday that their opponents quit shortly afterward.

Yet Super Tuesday can also pave the way for a very long race. In 2008, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ended up nearly tied after an early February Super Tuesday, and they battled it out through four months of remaining contests. In 2016, Clinton locked in a solid advantage over Sanders on Super Tuesday that she never relinquished — but it wasn’t such an overwhelmingly dominant performance as to drive Sanders to quit the race, so he stayed in.

2) Why is there a Super Tuesday?
No one person or group dictates the primary calendar from the top down. The national Democratic and Republican parties have declared that the month of February is reserved only for the four early states — Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. But after that, it’s just up to states to schedule primaries whenever they want between March and June.

Many states that want to influence the outcome of the nomination have calculated that the best way to do that is to go as early as possible: on the first Tuesday in March. (This dynamic has been called “frontloading.”)

Super Tuesday actually began as a plot to help President Jimmy Carter stave off a primary challenge from Ted Kennedy in 1980, as Carter’s strategists got three large Southern states where he was expected to do well to schedule their primaries early. From 1984 through 1992, other Southern states joined in an attempt to give their region more influence (as did a few non-Southern states).

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Eventually, big states from elsewhere in the country wanted in, and the first Super Tuesday that truly spanned the nation took place in 2000. That’s been the norm ever since, though the exact lineup varies from cycle to cycle as states move their nominating contests around. (Super Tuesday 2008 is still the record-holder for the number of states and the proportion of the total delegates at stake.)

3) What are this year’s Super Tuesday states?
From most delegates at stake to least, they are:
  • California (415 delegates)
  • Texas (228 delegates)
  • North Carolina (110 delegates)
  • Virginia (99 delegates)
  • Massachusetts (91 delegates)
  • Minnesota (75 delegates)
  • Colorado (67 delegates)
  • Tennessee (64 delegates)
  • Alabama (52 delegates)
  • Oklahoma (37 delegates)
  • Arkansas (31 delegates)
  • Utah (29 delegates)
  • Maine (24 delegates)
  • Vermont (16 delegates)
  • American Samoa (6 delegates)
Another contest, involving “Democrats Abroad” — Democratic voters living overseas — will begin on Super Tuesday, but won’t end until March 10. So it’s those 14 states and one territory that will have their voting conclude on Super Tuesday, with 1,344 delegates at stake overall.

That’s a lot to get your head around, so it can be helpful to break down the lineup into groups:

  • California (31 percent of Super Tuesday delegates): The biggest single prize.
  • Seven Southern states (46 percent of the day’s delegates): Like Super Tuesdays of old, this year’s map is skewed toward the South, though it’s a grab bag of very different states from that region — most notably Texas, but also North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, and Oklahoma.
  • The rest (23 percent of delegates): There’s a trio of New England states, Minnesota from the Midwest, Colorado and Utah from the West, and American Samoa.
Finally, it’s worth remembering that even though Super Tuesday is just one day, several of the states involved began early voting or mail balloting weeks ago. So a chunk of the vote will have been locked in before Tuesday itself.

4) How does someone win Super Tuesday?
In one sense, the way to ensure Super Tuesday delegate dominance is simple — win by a lot, in a lot of places. If Sanders or anyone else manages to do that, they’ll end up with a big delegate lead.

But if most outcomes are closer or if the results are mixed, the delegate situation will be highly contingent on the exact breakdown of the vote, because of Democrats’ complex delegate allocation rules.
Democrats have no “winner-take-all states” (where whoever comes in first place gets all that state’s delegates) — instead, they allot delegates proportionally based on each contest’s results.

That means winning isn’t all that matters: The margin of victory is crucial. A narrow win will barely provide an advantage in the delegate count, because proportional rules mean the second-place finisher usually gets close to the same amount of delegates. But winning in a landslide will provide a big delegate edge.

Beyond that, the devil is in the details, particularly when the field is as large as this one is.

5) Why is the devil in the details?
First off, there’s the threshold: Candidates need to get 15 percent of the vote somewhere to get any delegates there. Those below 15 percent are nonviable and get nothing.

Second, it’s not quite so simple as “30 percent of the vote gets you 30 percent of delegates.” Instead, it’s your percentage of the viable candidates’ vote that matters. Basically, votes for any candidate who’s below 15 percent are excluded, and your percentage of whatever’s left determines your share of delegates.

So let’s say you get 30 percent of the vote, but there are three other viable candidates, getting 25 percent, 20 percent, and 15 percent of the vote. The viable vote adds up to 90 percent, and your 30 percent is one-third of that — so you get one-third of the delegates. Here’s how it would play out under a sample scenario, if there were 10 delegates at stake. (Note: Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Amy Klobuchar dropped out of the race just before Super Tuesday.)
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A very different situation transpires if you get 30 percent of the vote and only one other candidate is viable, getting 20 percent, with the rest of the vote split among several others. The viable vote would then add up to 50 percent. Your 30 percent is three-fifths of that — so you get many more of the delegates at stake.
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This means a great deal can depend on the exact breakdown of the vote — particularly in big states with many delegates at stake.

Finally, as if all this wasn’t enough, a candidate’s statewide performance is not all that matters for delegates. The majority of the Super Tuesday delegates (about 65 percent) are in fact allotted based on results in individual districts (mostly congressional districts, except for Texas, which uses state senate districts instead).

Proportional allocation with a 15 percent threshold applies separately in all these districts. That means that if you do well in a state overall but are at 14 percent in a district there, you’ll get zero of that district’s delegates.

Take California. There are 415 total delegates at stake there. But only 144 of them will be awarded proportionally based on statewide results. The other 271 are divvied out according to the proportional results in California’s 53 congressional districts (with 4-7 delegates at stake in each district).

It’s all quite complicated. But all in all, Super Tuesday is a contest to top 15 percent by as much as possible in as many places (states and districts) as possible. Every time candidates get zeroed out by falling below the threshold is bad news for them.

6) So if you get the most delegates, you win, right?
Well, technically, you don’t win the Democratic nomination just by winning more delegates than anyone else. The party’s rules state that you need an outright majority of the 3,979 pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.

So another key thing to watch for in the Super Tuesday results is whether the delegate leader is on track for an actual majority — or, if not, just how far off track they are from it.

Again, Democrats’ lack of winner-take-all states makes this question very important.

  • If a candidate finishes Super Tuesday with 40 percent of delegates so far, he or she needs to win 56 percent of the remaining delegates for a majority.
  • If the top candidate has 35 percent of delegates after Super Tuesday, he or she needs to win 59 percent of the remaining delegates.
  • If the post-Super Tuesday leader has 30 percent of delegates so far, he or she needs to win 62 percent of the remainder.
The problem is that those proportional delegate allocation rules make it difficult to rack up large delegate advantages. Again, narrow wins in states result in the delegates being split. To gain the upper hand, you can’t just win states — you have to win big.

So if the leading candidate is significantly off track from a majority after the Super Tuesday delegate haul is locked in, he or she may never get back on track for one — paving the way to a contested convention in which no candidate wins the majority on the first ballot (something that’s never occurred in the modern nomination system).

That’s the theory, anyway. Many believe that in practice, Democrats would face enormous pressure to give the nomination to whoever wins the most delegates, even if that person is short of a majority. The specifics could depend on just how big that first-place person’s lead is, and how close to a majority they end up — which shows why, again, the delegate details of Super Tuesday are crucial.

7) What will happen on Super Tuesday this time around?
Overall, despite all the drama in the Democratic contest so far, it’s important to remember that barely any delegates (just 4 percent of the total) will have been allotted before Super Tuesday.

So while the expectation now is that Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner, and polls appear to back that up, this won’t really be set in stone until we see how he — and everyone else — does on Super Tuesday.

Sanders could, as many now expect, win most states by significant margins and build a sizable delegate lead that will carry him to the nomination. But if there’s a late swing to another candidate — such as Biden, who just won big in South Carolina on Saturday — Sanders could also lose his frontrunner status quite quickly.

For the other candidates who have had more mixed outcomes or little success, Super Tuesday is really do or die. If you don’t get a significant chunk of the Super Tuesday delegates, it becomes all but impossible to get a pledged delegate majority.

Super Tuesday is also the first electoral test for former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who has spent half a billion dollars on advertising across the country but skipped the four early states. Bloomberg rose in national polls and in polls of Super Tuesday states over the past month, but scrutiny of his past and his rocky performance in the Democratic Las Vegas debate have lately sent his numbers in the other direction.

But the crowded field this year means that, depending on how the ball bounces on March 3, there are several possible outcomes with very different implications for the race. Here are the main ones:

  • One candidate emerges with a large delegate lead and on track for the majority: This would mean they’re a commanding favorite to win the nomination.
  • One candidate emerges with a large delegate plurality in a split field but is not on track for a majority: This means that person is the favorite to get the nomination eventually, but one or more of their rivals could continue campaigning to try and deprive them of the majority and make things interesting at the convention.
  • Two candidates split almost all the delegates: This would likely mean a two-person race going forward, with the outcome up in the air, but likely to be settled before the convention (since it’s extremely likely, in a two-candidate race, that one person ends up with a majority).
  • Three or more candidates split delegates, and no one’s on track for a majority: This is the scenario where a contested convention would be most likely.
Finally, it’s entirely possible that we won’t actually know the Super Tuesday outcome on Super Tuesday. For instance, California takes a famously long time to count votes (due to the need to verify late-arriving mailed ballots), and the exact vote shares and margins both statewide and in its 53 congressional districts could be important.

If one candidate does end up winning almost everywhere, that might not be such a big deal. But in this nomination contest so far, it’s usually prudent to expect that things could get messy

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Super Tuesday looks to be interesting with Klob and Mayor Pete dropping out, I imagine Biden and Bloomberg will pickup most of those delegates. Looks to be lots of fun.


Polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

CNN interviews with all the candidates from last night:
Michael Bloomberg

Elizabeth Warren:

Bernie Sanders:

Joe Biden:

My super tuesday choices:
Alabama(Biden), Arkansas(Biden), California(Bernie), Colorado(Bernie), Democrats Abroad(Biden), Maine(Biden), Massachusetts(Biden), Minnesota(Biden), North Carolina(Biden), Oklahoma(Biden), Tennessee(Biden), Texas(Bernie), Utah(Bernie), Vermont(Bernie), and Virginia(Biden)

Update: All but Texas I got correct, based. I forgot American Samoa but that's tribes of people and my guess is as good as any. Democrats abroad takes a week to trickle in.
 
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4 years of Biden, Bernouts have already bent the knee
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Additionally Bernie has released ad making it look like Obama endorsed him. Obama has very different politics to him, Biden was Obama's VP and I don't know what this message tells people besides that Bernie is desperate. Overall, seems very ill advised.
Can you please not post a browser-crashing number of screencaps when this thread's already getting a reply every five minutes?
 
The whole donation thing is straight out of a parody. Middle class white boys sinking ton of their money for a candidate out of the expectation that he'll make all their debt disappear, rather than use the money and time to pay for their debt. Also the commie fart that talks about how everything is about money outspend his opponent yet still lost, you can't write this shit.
 
The SDI program eventually bore fruit, though. 80's were just way too early.

Definitely. The US could get back nuclear primacy if it builds enough interceptors to take out one sub's worth of Russian or Chinese SLBMs, because that's the only enemy warheads that would be left after a US first strike took out the land and bomber based ones.

Dumb article from The Blaze about Cenk's meltdown: http://archive.li/XLaF1

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My favorite part is that they are quoting Dame fucking Pesos.

I like Dame, but that video is a reach. Cenk looks stressed but he's not having a meltdown quite yet.


LOL, hard R too. Bernie supporters crack me up they way they claim to be all PC until things get a bit tough, and then all the hate and bitterness comes out.
 
The whole donation thing is straight out of a parody. Middle class white boys sinking ton of their money for a candidate out of the expectation that he'll make all their debt disappear, rather than use the money and time to pay for their debt. Also the commie fart that talks about how everything is about money outspend his opponent yet still lost, you can't write this shit.
It's like that fable about the guy who spends 1000 bucks on lottery tickets and wins the lottery, but the prize is also 1000 bucks.

Only here there they don't win, and quite a few spent a whole lot more than 1000 bucks, and holy shit everyone outside the echo chamber had been debating for years whether the free college or the free healthcare or the retroactive forgiving of existing debts was even possible provided Sanders ever managed to defeat Trump
 
The whole donation thing is straight out of a parody. Middle class white boys sinking ton of their money for a candidate out of the expectation that he'll make all their debt disappear, rather than use the money and time to pay for their debt. Also the commie fart that talks about how everything is about money outspend his opponent yet still lost, you can't write this shit.

It's literally the commie version of Prosperity Gospel.
 
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"I’m going to assume someone’s gender and I apologize" :story:
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Berniebro's cousin inquires into why he can't discuss things like an adult
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Instead of accepting reality, I use my paypiggery to justify my poor political choices
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Disown your family for having a different political opinion
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Bernie supporter shows his displeasure by ripping up a piece of paper for reddit, what a badass
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Damn blacks liking Obama
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Ilhan Omar going after Warren
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The r/SandersForPresident begins oppo research
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No more mr nice guy
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Bloomberg meme? Gay. Bernie memes? Dankest around.
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r/SandersForPresident moderators accidentally go mask off about the socialist revolution
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This is the updated cope
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Vaushfans are crying and threatening suicide
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Tranny vaush fan is going to start the revolution to destroy transphobia
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"I feel like naked white supremicist violence from the police state is the only thing holding this country together. It’s clear so many of us, particularly those over 40, have nothing but absolute contempt for our fellow human being."
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Additionally Bernie has released ad making it look like Obama endorsed him. Obama has very different politics to him, Biden was Obama's VP and I don't know what this message tells people besides that Bernie is desperate. Overall, seems very ill advised.

Sadly the Bernie Bro unfriended me on social media. I can only imagine his screaming into the void right now.
 
I really meant that I don't have time to read a monolithic wall of "I can't believe Bernie lost after spending all my money on his campaign ;_;"
Fair point. @Arm Pit Cream, could you put the images in spoilers or something from now on? It'd make it a little less overpowering on the page.

Please don't stop, I'm having the time of my life reading the sheer oceans of cope.
 
What's funny about this is I wonder if Bernie Bros will actually vote in the election now. Remember when I said near the start of the thread that whoever wins the DNC doesn't matter since they will all vote blue because "orange man bad?"

Well I now have my doubts that BernieBros will vote for Biden in this election. They are probably so defeated that they would rather have 4 more years of Trump just to spite people. I can only PRAY they have the balls to actually try and forcefully split the party.
 
What's funny about this is I wonder if Bernie Bros will actually vote in the election now. Remember when I said near the start of the thread that whoever wins the DNC doesn't matter since they will all vote blue because "orange man bad?"

Well I now have my doubts that BernieBros will vote for Biden in this election. They are probably so defeated that they would rather have 4 more years of Trump just to spite people. I can only PRAY they have the balls to actually try and forcefully split the party.
Given how Joe didn't even try and won like 10/14 states and Cali is slowly turning into a slog rather than a walk for Bernie, I don't think they even bothered to vote now. So they're worthless tbh.

Still absolutely hilarious to watch as they show exactly why black people don't care about Bernouts. Not with their disdain for them.
 

It will probably be the only time that vegan gets some action. Pretty racist to imply that all black men rape. It's that mask slowly being broken off.

The picture he used is of a man accused of sexually assaulting a time though I think the only thing he was looking for was a negro that looked sufficiently retarded enough to call all us niggers retarded.
What's funny about this is I wonder if Bernie Bros will actually vote in the election now. Remember when I said near the start of the thread that whoever wins the DNC doesn't matter since they will all vote blue because "orange man bad?"

Well I now have my doubts that BernieBros will vote for Biden in this election. They are probably so defeated that they would rather have 4 more years of Trump just to spite people. I can only PRAY they have the balls to actually try and forcefully split the party.

It's pretty much what happened last year, they don't vote since they already lost their guy and they see the frontrunner as the scum of the earth. It's just funny since Biden will take the nomination legitimately this time so they have less of a leg to stand on
 
Was Reagan at any point of his presidency as demented as Biden is in 2020? As someone who went through a relative with Alzheimer's it's jarring, absolutely jarring seeing Biden like this.

There is no way he can be elected on health grounds alone.
No, but at one point Woodrow Wilson had a stroke bad enough that his wife had to put a pen in his fingers and move his hand to sign bills into law.
 
What's funny about this is I wonder if Bernie Bros will actually vote in the election now. Remember when I said near the start of the thread that whoever wins the DNC doesn't matter since they will all vote blue because "orange man bad?"

That was never going to happen. They simply don't have party unity, they have at least a dozen special interest groups with conflicting demands.
Need proof? Just go watch that video of that delegate (in Iowa IIRC) who wanted her vote back after giving it to Buttgang then finding out he was married to a man.
 
Like clockwork lol

Despicable. I'm going to vote for her anyway, of course, because fuck these clowns.

Sanders wanted to purge private healthcare forever, putting thousands out of work or suddenly working for Uncle Sam. The continued survival of private insurance and hospitals of course encouraged investment.


Disagree. Trump winning a second term means huge numbers of judges will be flipped, including a supreme court seat. Adding to this, House could flip by riding Trump's coattails. Anyone talking about the Dems throwing this doesn't know the stakes, and is ignoring the fact that the 2024 list of canidates will probably be nearly the same.
The idea of this awful lineup returning, only now 4 years older and more senile, is absolutely horrifying. At this rate the tech billionaires will completely take over the party by being the only candidates both capable of paying for a campaign and not being one foot in the grave.

Why does the DNC have such an insane hard on about Tulsi? This seems insane the way they keep shifting rules to keep her off the stage. She would be a near perfect Veep pick for someone like Biden. Young, ethnically diverse woman of color. And would shore up the centrists and give a ticket some Military and National Security Credibility. But they stiff arm her harder than anybody else. Did she refuse to give Tom Perez his mandatory blow job?
Hillary hates her and the DNC is stuffed with her stooges, simple as that.
 
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