Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[XYZpdq]

I think a large amount of the deaths were from the nursing/elderly care center in Washington. We know the virus is very hazardous to the elderly (it can be to everyone, mind you, but especially the elderly). This is just from browsing some articles mind you so if I'm totally wrong correct me. Aside from that I think most other U.S. cases have been much less severe.

Yeah in Washington it was bouncing around a nursing home.

 

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Buy a cookbook. You really are not going to be wanting to eat out soon. Buy easy basic cookbooks. AGAIN I recommend the Amish cookbooks. Weird, I know, but those are good recipes.

Again, let's get you purchasing a couple good things, and these must be paper, not ebooks: The Boy Scout First Aid Book, the "Soldier's Book of Common Tasks", the Boy Scout camper's guide, a US Army First Aid book. (Honestly, every American should have these books on their shelves and should have had them all their lives), a Chilton's Manual for your vehicle, an Atlas (Preferable a Rand-McNally Road Atlas), a few local maps of the area (learn to read topographical maps, baby), and a... dun dun dun... phone book.

I forget, did you suggest a specific Amish cookbook at any point?

 

[Stalovna]

Tennessee has its first confirmed case, specifically Williamson county. It’s a 44-year-old man. He just returned to TN a few days ago, but he had not traveled internationally. They haven’t released which states he visited. He also didn’t seek medical care until after his symptoms worsened.

Gov. Bill Lee announces state's first confirmed case of COVID-19 in Williamson County

Gov. Bill Lee has announced the first confirmed case of the coronavirus in Tennessee.

www.newschannel5.com

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Edit: Not to get mushy, but I wanted to thank everyone in this thread who emphasized preparedness. I stocked up a reasonable supply of soap, paper products, disinfectants, alcohol, and food. Not only did it help my family and me after the tornado hit us Tuesday morning, but I don’t have to deal with the inevitable panic shopping after this announcement.

 

[5ever a crab]

Just learned that one of the employees of where my dad works got hospitalized due to 'severe reactions' and tested positive for corona. The employee arrived overseas like a week ago but I'm pretty sure I'm fucked too, time will tell.

Also I'm confused about the "when to wear your masks" do you wear it if you are infected or to avoid infection? I'm hearing all sorts of shit every where and I don't know wtf is going on. I have my meme M3 P100 mask with me.

 

[Pinot Pierrot]

Fort Lee man with first NJ coronavirus case being treated, interviewed at Hackensack hospital

NJ's first 'presumptive positive' case of coronavirus is a 32-year-old Fort Lee resident who is being treated at Hackensack University Medical Center.

www.northjersey.com

Fort Lee man with first NJ coronavirus case being treated at Hackensack Medical Center

NJ's first 'presumptive positive' case of coronavirus is a 32-year-old Fort Lee resident who is being treated at Hackensack University Medical Center.

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Not long after the Wuflu began its campaign on the streets of NYC, a dude in Hackensack is now suspected of carrying the virus. It's still a fair distance away from where I live, but if it's confirmed, then I guess the ball is in my court. My family is extremely jumpy at the moment, having already broken out the communal dinner utensils so we don't infect each other's food during dinner (normally we just use our own chopsticks to take a portion).

I'm more worried about getting it from my workplace though; we regularly deal with people from northern counties such as Bergen, though I guess the currently slow business should be counted as a mixed blessing.

No Corona-chan r34, am dissapoint.

Don't make me go open COM3D2 tonight to change that.

 

[Otterly]

Why are all the US cases so deadly?

Some were in a nursing home, and those are nightmares for any outbreak. You get a bad flu in a nursing home, a significant percentage of death will occur.
plus, the numbers in almost all countries are higher than reported simply because we aren’t testing everyone. Keeping testing limited to those with a travel history automatically means you’re not catching community spread like you should. Almost all countries are cooking the books. From what I’ve seen so far, South Korea are doing the with this, they’re widening testing (and locking things down and cleaning well) Italy as well. UK not far behind. Everyone else is skewing the data, so we are seeing only cases presenting to hospital in a bad way and cases tracked from travellers. As soon as we start widespread testing, the numbers will jump - the only question is by how much? Places like Finland and Sweden are handling it terribly - family in Sweden are telling me that the news is saying there’s no asymptomatic spread, and there’s no quarantine for anyone coming back from a risk area. Apparently a doctor at the akademiska hospital came straight back from northern Italy and to work. They’re fucked

The Army has a Disinfectant Cabinet that works on this principle, ultraviolet light projected on objects to kill germs and viruses. Put something in the cabinet and it's good after so many hours.

sunshine is a great disinfectant. UV lamps will shred viruses pretty good. Some of the cabinets you work with RNA and DNA in have lamps in you can switch on to nuke any strands of contamination.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Are baby wipes antibacterial? Or do people think they are like the wipes they have at Walmart to clean the filth off of your cart handle? I have to wonder if people are going around wiping everything down with baby wipes bfore they touch it.

I haven't seen anything going on in Philly. Since the local Walgreens is the only non-bodega we've got locally it is not easy to judge their stock. Everything is always sold out anyway. When I get out tomorrow or so I will check to see what pharmacies in a better area have.

I have lupus and some collapsed lung tissue from a severe respiratory infection from a few years back. If I get the virus I am likely fucked.

Have you looked in an Office Depot or Staples? Was just in one trying to find something for someone’s idiot project that’ll be abandoned in 2 weeks and they had disinfectant wipes seemingly unmolested by panic buying.

 

[ulsterscotsman]

School here have decided that kids who where on a Ski trip in Italy must return School.

Co Armagh school says Italy ski trip pupils to return to school tomorrow despite coronavirus fears

Pupils at a Co Armagh secondary school - who returned from a ski trip in Italy at the weekend - are being allowed to return…

www.armaghi.com

 

[Noideawhattopick]

I don't know what y'all want it's just a fru bro
Chinkos infectos round 2

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[Sissy Galvez]

Oh man, Trump stumbled on Hannity last night and said “it’s just the flu” and people are “getting better by going to work”.

Even Lindsay Graham told him to keep his mouth shut and let the scientists and doctors speak

 

[Ivan Shatov]

No, I don't think people realize how high 4% is; You have to lose one or two 90% chance events, especially health events, to realize the human brain is really shit at understanding probability.

I've accepted the probability of death due Americans need to keep the stock market in check..

I'd be careful about what lessons you draw from probability. TLDR - the odds overwhelming suggest you will be fine. If shit hits the fan, that's very, very good for the world in the long run.

A 4% lethality rate is pretty high. We would never accept that for air travel, food safety, or any other form of regulation. 99.999% is not acceptable in most situations. The government moves when the odds get into this range.

As far as 4% lethality goes - isn't it odd no young children have been affected by this virus? Are they somehow immune to the secondary effects of coronavirus or are we just not hearing about babies dying? I'm betting it's the former, and that lethality is greatly affected by demographics and environmental factors. The virus seems to want to kill old people the most. So if the overall 4% lethality rate is the aggregate of all demographics, I'd be more worried about lethality for people in my own demographic group.

I think I read somewhere it's like 14% for people 70+ and 1% for people 30 - 50. 1% is still pretty high, but it probably won't kill me or anyone I know.

With regards to the probability of death, that probability only applies if you get the virus. Some scientists at Harvard are speculating 40% - 70% of the world will get the virus, which seems like an odd figure. If that's true, does that mean some areas will be hit harder than others? Iran, South Korea, China, Italy - one thing they all have in common is incredibly bad air quality. Maybe it's easier to spread in places that are heavily industrialized and people live a certain way. I don't think the Harvard people have a strong claim to understanding the role of environmental factors, it's still too early.

So let's say you are someone in your 30s, you live in a place where the air quality is pretty good compared to the rest of the world, and people around you practice basic sanitation. What are the odds of contracting the virus and dying from it? Assuming 50% of people in North America will contract it, that cuts down the odds of lethality by 50%. Assuming it's only 25% as lethal for people in your demographic, the combined odds go down to 1%, or 1 in 100.

1 in 100 people dying from corona virus is still very high. But it's statistically unlikely it would happen to you.

Beyond demographics and air quality, there are some other factors to consider. Access to medical care, food / home security, public health policies, presence of law enforcement - these all have an well-understood impact on health care outcomes. In North America, there are 2.6 doctors per 1,000 people, but that number varies by state and city. The overall homeless population is 0.17%, but that also varies by city and state. Norms for public health policies and law enforcement vary wildly right now, there's few places that prohibit spitting on sidewalks anymore despite the fact this was crucial for fighting the Spanish Flu.

If you accept the idea these factors impact overall aggregate coronavirus mortality rates, the number for your personal risk looks quite a bit better. The populations that will be impacted the most are the people who live in places with a low number of doctors, who don't have reliable access to food and a place to stay, and who live in places where people can shit in the street without consequence. Along with demographics and air quality, each of these factors weigh in on assessments of personal risk.

Taking all of this into account, my personal risk of dying from corona virus - during this wave, pandemics always come back around again - is about 1 in 50,000. That number is still very high compared to what I'm accustomed to for public health, but it's not 1%. It's 0.002%, which gives me a little comfort. The risk of contracting the disease is higher, but the probability of dying is what I care about.

I would not want to live in San Francisco right now, where people can shit on the street without consequence and the majority of their physicians - > 30% - are non-practicing researchers and actual clinicians are a minority. I would not want to live in Austin right now, where the homeless population is close to 0.5% and the police literally cannot do anything about them living in heavily trafficked public places. I would not want to live in Fresno, Fairbanks, Long Beach, Pittsburg, or Cleveland right now, where the air quality is low. I expect to hear horror stories from all these places starting in about 2 weeks.

But my armchair assessment of their overall risk doesn't get worse than 1 in 25,000, and the populations that will be most impacted are low-income / homeless populations. There's not enough population density relative to available medical care to kill the people who can afford treatment for the secondary effects of the virus. The Federal government seems prepared to step in and start putting people in clinics if it gets bad, which will lessen the impact for these populations.

The real impact of corona virus will not be medical, it will be economic - and not necessarily negative. There's 330 million people in the US, a 0.5% infection / lethality rate would mean 16.5 million dead. The old rubric about the best time to invest is when there is blood in the streets applies, if 16.5 mil people drop dead that will create a lot of economic activity around making sure this never happens again. Likewise, if the overall economy experiences net negative growth as a result of this virus, that would be on account of supply chain disruptions since most things are manufactured in China. The most likely response is growth in construction and manufacturing sectors domestically to account for critical needs, and probably a lot of incentives from government to make this attractive to businesses.

Shit, if we just moved pharmaceutical production back to the states, that would destroy 25% of China's economy and keep them from flooding our markets with cheap opiates. Might be necessary if there are serious shortages leading to increases in mortality rates.

So here's the real question to ask yourself: would you accept a 0.002% risk of death in exchange for a 1 year economic contraction followed by a rollback of the most extreme globalist economic policies and a decade of US economic growth in the 3% - 4% range, possibly with a couple years reaching 5% - 6%? A likely secondary effect would be a reduction in concentrations of capital in coastal cities in favor of building up production in the heartland. Along with that, increased political capital for people outside dense rural areas.

So I don't see a reason to be pessimistic about conoravirus. Don't mean to sound heartless, but there's significant upside to any outcome. The most probable outcome is that I along with everyone I know will survive and prosper as a result. People living in Iran, South Korea, Italy - it's likely the same picture, their governments will put more of an emphasis on air quality and (in Iran's case) there could be a major upheaval leading to a government we like better.

The only country that should be praying hard for the health of the US population is China. US exports are 48% of their economy and a huge percentage of that is related, in some way, to pharmaceuticals - either making the pills or supplying raw materials used to make them. If the US decides we can't have this critical industry running through a country with such low health care standards, that changes the future. 16.5 million dead might be the catalyst for summoning the political will to make that happen.

Don't buy masks people.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Just learned that one of the employees of where my dad works got hospitalized due to 'severe reactions' and tested positive for corona. The employee arrived overseas like a week ago but I'm pretty sure I'm fucked too, time will tell.

Also I'm confused about the "when to wear your masks" do you wear it if you are infected or to avoid infection? I'm hearing all sorts of shit every where and I don't know wtf is going on. I have my meme M3 P100 mask with me.

If you're infected, wear it for any human contact and when outside to protect others. If not then you only need it for crowded places and small rooms. And even then the priority is hand washing and clothes/shoes 'cause its biggest source of infection is its survival on surfaces.

Some were in a nursing home, and those are nightmares for any outbreak. You get a bad flu in a nursing home, a significant percentage of death will occur.
plus, the numbers in almost all countries are higher than reported simply because we aren’t testing everyone. Keeping testing limited to those with a travel history automatically means you’re not catching community spread like you should. Almost all countries are cooking the books. From what I’ve seen so far, South Korea are doing the with this, they’re widening testing (and locking things down and cleaning well) Italy as well. UK not far behind. Everyone else is skewing the data, so we are seeing only cases presenting to hospital in a bad way and cases tracked from travellers. As soon as we start widespread testing, the numbers will jump - the only question is by how much? Places like Finland and Sweden are handling it terribly - family in Sweden are telling me that the news is saying there’s no asymptomatic spread, and there’s no quarantine for anyone coming back from a risk area. Apparently a doctor at the akademiska hospital came straight back from northern Italy and to work. They’re fucked
sunshine is a great disinfectant. UV lamps will shred viruses pretty good. Some of the cabinets you work with RNA and DNA in have lamps in you can switch on to nuke any strands of contamination.

Finland how. Finland why. Finland for fucks sake just no.

Let me rephrase my statement: Pandemics sell advertising as people are glued to the TV for information and more eyes on the screen means more eyes reading the advertising message. More people tuning in to watch the news the more news stations can charge for those precious time slots.

The vast majority of testing is handled by the CDC to confirm/deny the cases (I have this first hand knowledge). That means the tests have to get shipped off to some lab in the middle of BFE just to run the tests. The chinese, not sure how, have found a faster/quicker way to determine if the patient has CV or not. New York has said "Fuck that shit test it locally, do it ASAP" as Gov Cumo stated in his conference. How that will pan out, no clue, not sure the testers can get better/faster results in the US at this time as it still seems like a laborious process.

The sooner hospitals can get testing equipment closer to the source the sooner we can correctly diagnose this contagion.

Spanish media: you should always give the information in context. Talk aboutthe relative issues behind it not just the number of infected.

*corona twerks at the asylum*

American media: ERMAHGERD SO MANY INFECTED WE'RE ALL GUNNA DAAAIIIIIIEEEEHHH!

F. Just F.

 

[Niggaplease]

I'd be careful about what lessons you draw from probability. TLDR - the odds overwhelming suggest you will be fine. If shit hits the fan, that's very, very good for the world in the long run.

A 4% lethality rate is pretty high. We would never accept that for air travel, food safety, or any other form of regulation. 99.999% is not acceptable in most situations. The government moves when the odds get into this range.

As far as 4% lethality goes - isn't it odd no young children have been affected by this virus? Are they somehow immune to the secondary effects of coronavirus or are we just not hearing about babies dying? I'm betting it's the former, and that lethality is greatly affected by demographics and environmental factors. The virus seems to want to kill old people the most. So if the overall 4% lethality rate is the aggregate of all demographics, I'd be more worried about lethality for people in my own demographic group.

I think I read somewhere it's like 14% for people 70+ and 1% for people 30 - 50. 1% is still pretty high, but it probably won't kill me or anyone I know.

With regards to the probability of death, that probability only applies if you get the virus. Some scientists at Harvard are speculating 40% - 70% of the world will get the virus, which seems like an odd figure. If that's true, does that mean some areas will be hit harder than others? Iran, South Korea, China, Italy - one thing they all have in common is incredibly bad air quality. Maybe it's easier to spread in places that are heavily industrialized and people live a certain way. I don't think the Harvard people have a strong claim to understanding the role of environmental factors, it's still too early.

So let's say you are someone in your 30s, you live in a place where the air quality is pretty good compared to the rest of the world, and people around you practice basic sanitation. What are the odds of contracting the virus and dying from it? Assuming 50% of people in North America will contract it, that cuts down the odds of lethality by 50%. Assuming it's only 25% as lethal for people in your demographic, the combined odds go down to 1%, or 1 in 100.

1 in 100 people dying from corona virus is still very high. But it's statistically unlikely it would happen to you.

Beyond demographics and air quality, there are some other factors to consider. Access to medical care, food / home security, public health policies, presence of law enforcement - these all have an well-understood impact on health care outcomes. In North America, there are 2.6 doctors per 1,000 people, but that number varies by state and city. The overall homeless population is 0.17%, but that also varies by city and state. Norms for public health policies and law enforcement vary wildly right now, there's few places that prohibit spitting on sidewalks anymore despite the fact this was crucial for fighting the Spanish Flu.

If you accept the idea these factors impact overall aggregate coronavirus mortality rates, the number for your personal risk looks quite a bit better. The populations that will be impacted the most are the people who live in places with a low number of doctors, who don't have reliable access to food and a place to stay, and who live in places where people can shit in the street without consequence. Along with demographics and air quality, each of these factors weigh in on assessments of personal risk.

Taking all of this into account, my personal risk of dying from corona virus - during this wave, pandemics always come back around again - is about 1 in 50,000. That number is still very high compared to what I'm accustomed to for public health, but it's not 1%. It's 0.002%, which gives me a little comfort. The risk of contracting the disease is higher, but the probability of dying is what I care about.

I would not want to live in San Francisco right now, where people can shit on the street without consequence and the majority of their physicians - > 30% - are non-practicing researchers and actual clinicians are a minority. I would not want to live in Austin right now, where the homeless population is close to 0.5% and the police literally cannot do anything about them living in heavily trafficked public places. I would not want to live in Fresno, Fairbanks, Long Beach, Pittsburg, or Cleveland right now, where the air quality is low. I expect to hear horror stories from all these places starting in about 2 weeks.

But my armchair assessment of their overall risk doesn't get worse than 1 in 25,000, and the populations that will be most impacted are low-income / homeless populations. There's not enough population density relative to available medical care to kill the people who can afford treatment for the secondary effects of the virus. The Federal government seems prepared to step in and start putting people in clinics if it gets bad, which will lessen the impact for these populations.

The real impact of corona virus will not be medical, it will be economic - and not necessarily negative. There's 330 million people in the US, a 0.5% infection / lethality rate would mean 16.5 million dead. The old rubric about the best time to invest is when there is blood in the streets applies, if 16.5 mil people drop dead that will create a lot of economic activity around making sure this never happens again. Likewise, if the overall economy experiences net negative growth as a result of this virus, that would be on account of supply chain disruptions since most things are manufactured in China. The most likely response is growth in construction and manufacturing sectors domestically to account for critical needs, and probably a lot of incentives from government to make this attractive to businesses.

Shit, if we just moved pharmaceutical production back to the states, that would destroy 25% of China's economy and keep them from flooding our markets with cheap opiates. Might be necessary if there are serious shortages leading to increases in mortality rates.

So here's the real question to ask yourself: would you accept a 0.002% risk of death in exchange for a 1 year economic contraction followed by a rollback of the most extreme globalist economic policies and a decade of US economic growth in the 3% - 4% range, possibly with a couple years reaching 5% - 6%? A likely secondary effect would be a reduction in concentrations of capital in coastal cities in favor of building up production in the heartland. Along with that, increased political capital for people outside dense rural areas.

So I don't see a reason to be pessimistic about conoravirus. Don't mean to sound heartless, but there's significant upside to any outcome. The most probable outcome is that I along with everyone I know will survive and prosper as a result. People living in Iran, South Korea, Italy - it's likely the same picture, their governments will put more of an emphasis on air quality and (in Iran's case) there could be a major upheaval leading to a government we like better.

The only country that should be praying hard for the health of the US population is China. US exports are 48% of their economy and a huge percentage of that is related, in some way, to pharmaceuticals - either making the pills or supplying raw materials used to make them. If the US decides we can't have this critical industry running through a country with such low health care standards, that changes the future. 16.5 million dead might be the catalyst for summoning the political will to make that happen.

Don't buy masks people.

-I work in the health care industry
-I live in the same area where a lot of the deaths popped up
-I have peexisting conditions that cause me to be royally screwed if I can't even kick a cold
-I've seen gross incompetence in the past in said field.
-Ive been to singapore
Basically all in I say my odds are pretty stacked against me.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

-I work in the health care industry
-I live in the same area where a lot of the deaths popped up
-I have peexisting conditions that cause me to be royally screwed if I can't even kick a cold
-I've seen gross incompetence in the past in said field.
-Ive been to singapore
Basically all in I say my odds are pretty stacked against me.

I'd recommend healthcare tourism. Get some vacations and go to south korea or any non-rural psrt of spain outside madrid. (Madrid has really bad air quality. I mean its not china or Iran levels but it's still worrysome.)

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Let me rephrase my statement: Pandemics sell advertising as people are glued to the TV for information and more eyes on the screen means more eyes reading the advertising message. More people tuning in to watch the news the more news stations can charge for those precious time slots.

The vast majority of testing is handled by the CDC to confirm/deny the cases (I have this first hand knowledge). That means the tests have to get shipped off to some lab in the middle of BFE just to run the tests. The chinese, not sure how, have found a faster/quicker way to determine if the patient has CV or not. New York has said "Fuck that shit test it locally, do it ASAP" as Gov Cumo stated in his conference. How that will pan out, no clue, not sure the testers can get better/faster results in the US at this time as it still seems like a laborious process.

The sooner hospitals can get testing equipment closer to the source the sooner we can correctly diagnose this contagion.

This doesn't help media companies, even if it brings more viewers in the short-term, because their advertisers take a huge hit. A lot of people seem to not realize is that it's not just you who are advertised to by media companies--in a way, media companies advertise you, the audience, to their sponsors. This is why they're so selective about what they choose to cover. You'll almost never hear about pharmaceutical price gouging on cable news unless it's something that goes viral (e.g. pharma bro) where they're more or less expected to cover it or face a hit on credibility. If you watch US cable news frequently, you'd know that one of their top advertisers are the pharmaceutical companies. The recent news cycle has been terrible for drug companies, because most of them have production lines in China and they're taking a beating financially from the direct result of that as well as the financial fear undervaluing their stock. Drug companies will be reluctant to associate their name on platforms that remind people of this, and they may also have less money to spend on advertising. Seriously, I encourage you to look through this thread from over a month ago and read some of the info that was picked up by kiwis, and contrast that to news coverage at the time. I suspect you're only paying attention heavily now that the media is more or less forced to talk about it and it's become more overtly political, but if you rewind to just weeks ago the tune was very different. @Yotsubaaa has some posts compiling important bits from this thread day-to-day which makes it easier to navigate.

There are numerous ways to do local testing, but also keep in mind that the CDC was the sole arbiter of who could be tested. That's insane. Just because most hospitals don't have a thermocycler and such doesn't mean that they're rare instruments that only the CDC has. There are research hospitals all across the country with access to such things. The reason they've been so conservative on who to test is pretty obvious. Novel viral epidemics are political. People dying from viral pneumonia with negative flu tests should be tested when there's an active epidemic of a novel virus (and remember that China was very late to sound the alarm). Instead, up until recently they were only testing people directly connected to Wuhan or an infected individual. That's super convenient, because then you can claim there's no community spread. The CDC didn't want to test the case in CA that was the first evidence of community spread, and if it wasn't for pressure on the local level we would perhaps still be oblivious. That event is what stimulated the media to finally talk about spread within the US & govt response more. Before all focus was on China and the Diamond Princess, and they were getting politically motivated figures to talk on air about how coronavirus is so mild and not a threat.

The method of testing I was mentioning earlier as being apt for this situation is rapid PCR, which is affordable and accessible because it doesn't require any additional special technology, or even electricity, and it's like the size of a pregnancy test. It has a higher chance of false positive, but you'll detect way more cases and it's pretty much designed for this specific type of circumstance. It's what we used for Ebola, because a quick method of getting results was so necessary. If some villages in Nigeria without electricity or running water can do it, the US has no excuse.

EDIT: linked the wrong article. Here's a paper on the "pocket PCR" I was thinking of. This sort of technology is very well-known, at least among mol bio researchers.

Sci-Hub | A Pocket-Sized Convective PCR Thermocycler. Angewandte Chemie International Edition, 46(23), 4316–4319 | 10.1002/anie.200700306

the other rapid PCR method I linked originally is here:

A Rapid and Low-Cost PCR Thermal Cycler for Infectious Disease Diagnostics

The ability to make rapid diagnosis of infectious diseases broadly available in a portable, low-cost format would mark a great step forward in global health. Many molecular diagnostic assays are developed based on using thermal cyclers to carry out polymerase chain reaction (PCR) and...

journals.plos.org

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I actually had an asslift scheduled in South Korea in June I had to cancel.

Look all I'm saying is, Castille was called that because of how many castles were built due to the war against the moors, and a lot survive today, and hell for instance I'd recommend Seville. It's got a lot of historic locations that are decently preserved, clean-ish air, good climate this time of the year, plus without the turists the city is empty enough. And hospitals that care about treating the patient without asking for their wallet. Every year spain gets millions of eurofags leeching off of that shit and we only bitch about the brits doint it because they're assholes about it. I'm sure a murican more won't be that bad. So give it a thought, worst that can happen you took vacations for nothing, oh well.

Edit: fuck it I'll be unsubtle. The Andalusian Healthcare system (SAS) was the pride of the left. They buffed the fuck out of it. And while as the right got voted they tried to reduce it the unions and remaining lefties stopped them right in their tracks, and now the right seems to have realized if the one time they get elected the SAS collapses they have political issues. So they started rebuffing it weeks ago. And seville is the SAS's headquarters. So even if the whole country collapses seville will stand. Right now for someone in a risk group it's probably safer than a god damned bunker. And it's also a nice vacation city.

 

[afternoon_tea]

Just found out my old girl scout leader is quarantined on the grand princess cruise I don't really have any insider information or anything, but it's interesting to see reports of how it's starting to to effect different kiwis in our personal lives.

She's a retired nurse so I wonder if she'll volunteer to do some kind of medical help, she's that type of person.

 

[Fatrick Hamlinson]

"Hong Kong health authorities" report the dog is now hosting CoV2 on its own, i.e., human-to-animal transmission.

Get well soon, pupper.

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Confirmed: pet dog in Hong Kong contracted coronavirus from owner

Pomeranian has low-level infection and experts unanimously conclude human-to-animal transmission.

www.scmp.com

Spoiler: Article

Coronavirus: pet dog belonging to Covid-19 patient infected, Hong Kong health authorities confirm

• Pomeranian first tested ‘weak positive’ last Friday, suggesting it was surface contamination, with dog picking up traces of the virus in its nose and mouth
• Animal now has low-level infection and experts unanimously conclude human-to-animal transmission

Alvin Lum
Published: 9:43pm, 4 Mar, 2020


The pet dog will remain under quarantine for further testing. Photo: Facebook

Hong Kong health authorities confirmed on Wednesday that a pet dog belonging to a Covid-19 patient had contracted the coronavirus, with experts calling it the first reported case of human-to-animal transmission.

The Pomeranian, which repeatedly tested “weak positive”since last Friday – suggesting it was surface contamination, with the dog picking up traces of the virus in its nose and mouth rather than being actually infected – will now remain under quarantine with the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department for further testing.
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...navirus-hong-kong-begins-evacuation-residents
“It is positive to tests and has been infected, so it is now quarantined in a centre by the department,” health minister Sophia Chan Siu-chee said during a regular press briefing.

“Further tests will be conducted and it will not be released until the tests return negative results.”
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...navirus-no-need-panic-hong-kong-veterinarians
The department said experts from the University of Hong Kong, City University and the World Organisation for Animal Health had been consulted, and all “unanimously agreed that these results suggest that the dog has a low level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission”.

A spokesman stressed there was still no evidence that pet animals could be a source of infection of Covid-19 or that they could fall sick. He added that apart from maintaining good hygiene practices, pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets.

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I was already paranoid about spreading it to my elderly parents: now I have to worry about spreading it to my dog and probably killing my dog.

 

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Holy fuck. Who made this? This is fucking amazing.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

-I work in the health care industry
-I live in the same area where a lot of the deaths popped up
-I have peexisting conditions that cause me to be royally screwed if I can't even kick a cold
-I've seen gross incompetence in the past in said field.
-Ive been to singapore
Basically all in I say my odds are pretty stacked against me.

Well, should you perish, know you died in the advancement of a great and glorious economic future for the people of the United States. Pressing F in advance to pay respects.

But there is no reason to be fatalistic about your situation, you control many factors related to your personal risk.

If you work in health care, that's great news! There is a lot of demand right now for nurses nationwide, you could pretty much choose where you want to live. The best city in the US for air quality is College Station, Texas - the air smells like candy compared to where I live, the police are serious about vagrancy and public health (greater than average number of police brutality cases in the last 10 years - good sign that they care about your health), the population is about 250k, the cost of living is comparatively low and, most importantly, high concentration of distilleries within 120 miles. Alcohol is the best disinfectant and you can buy high concentrate by the barrel.

College Station might actually be the best city for bugging out to.

If you're not a nurse, even better - supply chains are about to shift dramatically. If you know anything about logistics / reporting, that opens you up to a lot of jobs in the private sector that are not directly related to front line work. Many of them can be done from home.

I don't have any good advice for anyone living outside the US, but the fact you have some predisposing factors does not mean you are actually more likely to die from a disease. You are in charge of your risk by taking additional steps to control for your exposure. If you are working for incompetent people, find a job working people who are competent. If you are worried about the number of cases in your area, move to a different one and consider air quality / demographics as primary factors.

But don't let this shit tell you how to live. We don't know much about it, but we know air quality and demographics have a lot to do with outcomes. And we strongly suspect, in most cases, it's the secondary affects that kill you. Make decisions accordingly.