TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

Or... maybe I just didn't understand the definition of method acting? You don't see me bashing on people every time they misuse the word "literally". I'm just trying to move on from all that drama, and you guys are the ones bringing it up.
It’s called google, Sam. I know you‘be used it.

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it’s not “drama people won’t let die” it’s you being an idiot who says pointless things, gets way too mad when people tell you it’s pointless, and then you proceed to make multiple sock puppet accounts. Just lurk and eventually we can all forget about you.
 
honestly, knowing Doug the only reason he likes the Andrew Garfield Spiderman films so much is because they're dark and gritty, therefore in his mind excellent. Because otherwise they're so generic and bland I don't see in them what else he could be into for them.

If he thinks that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is "dark and gritty," then he needs to see a doctor. lol.

Spider-Man 3, as incredibly campy as it is, has more grit to it than The Amazing Spider-Man movies do (the Harry and Peter mansion fight alone literally packs more of a punch to it than both Amazing Spider-Man movies). Just because a movie tries to be dark and gritty doesn't mean that it actually is dark and gritty. The Andrew Garfield bullshit tried, and they hilariously failed. If a Spider-Man movie makes me laugh in hysterics during a Gwen Stacy death scene, then you know the movie is a failure. I know I'm not the only one who laughed.

I remember that he absolutely trashed Kick-Ass when it first came out, too. That movie has plenty of grit to it (and also camp), and Doug hated it and said it was "too mean spirited." I think it's safe to say that Doug is very inconsistent and dumb when it comes to movies.

Anyway, I saw the MovieBob tweet in regards to NC review. Doug is seriously puzzled about the moment of Jameson covering for Peter Parker? In the Raimi Spider-Man movies, with all of the bad luck that Peter endures, the fact that he's a good man in and out of costume inspires people to stand up to bad guys. It's part of the reason why I find the Raimi movies so damn charming. And yes, it's an obvious little character moment for Jameson, showcasing that with all of the hot air he blows, he's a decent guy deep down. There are multiple moments throughout the trilogy where he cuts Peter down a peg, and then gives him a break ("That price? Outrageous. Done.").

So I guess Doug has proven himself to be a bigger moron than MovieBlob. That's quite an accomplishment.
 
I also get pissed off that he shits on many rather sweet moments in the Raimi films. Peter's line about MJ being an angel to Aunt May, the dorky Peter/MJ interactions, etc. Are they corny? Sure. But they are little dorky warmhearted moments that touch me in my feelies because it's just so awkwardly charming. Doug acts like they're the coming of the antichrist.
 
I also get pissed off that he shits on many rather sweet moments in the Raimi films. Peter's line about MJ being an angel to Aunt May, the dorky Peter/MJ interactions, etc. Are they corny? Sure. But they are little dorky warmhearted moments that touch me in my feelies because it's just so awkwardly charming. Doug acts like they're the coming of the antichrist.

Does Doug forget that Peter Parker is a ... Nerd?

One of my favorite moments in the first Spider-Man movie was Peter's chit-chat with MJ in the back yard. "I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella!" Dorky? Abso-fricking-lutely. But that's Peter Parker! Dorky, endearing, good hearted ... An underdog to root for.

"You know ... You're taller than you look."

"I hunch."

"... Don't."

That is so charming that I actually was smiling as I typed that dialogue out just now. Great moment, and it instantly establishes MJ and Peter's dynamic. It immediately gets the audience to root for them as a couple.

Also, does Doug have zero complaints with this cringe-ridden dialogue? Really?!


Peter and Gwen in these movies are the equivalent to that Seinfeld episode where Jerry and his girlfriend kept saying "Schmoopy!" to each other. Obnoxious! This couple is that couple that everyone knows where they make everyone around them uncomfortable because they're constantly making it all about their relationship. This is a couple that I don't root for.
 
I also get pissed off that he shits on many rather sweet moments in the Raimi films. Peter's line about MJ being an angel to Aunt May, the dorky Peter/MJ interactions, etc. Are they corny? Sure. But they are little dorky warmhearted moments that touch me in my feelies because it's just so awkwardly charming. Doug acts like they're the coming of the antichrist.
It also makes sense because Peter is supposed to be a dork, that has always been the character. It’s a lack of stuff like that that makes Garfield and Holland significantly worse Peter Parkers
 
If he thinks that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is "dark and gritty," then he needs to see a doctor. lol.

Spider-Man 3, as incredibly campy as it is, has more grit to it than The Amazing Spider-Man movies do (the Harry and Peter mansion fight alone literally packs more of a punch to it than both Amazing Spider-Man movies). Just because a movie tries to be dark and gritty doesn't mean that it actually is dark and gritty. The Andrew Garfield bullshit tried, and they hilariously failed. If a Spider-Man movie makes me laugh in hysterics during a Gwen Stacy death scene, then you know the movie is a failure. I know I'm not the only one who laughed.

I remember that he absolutely trashed Kick-Ass when it first came out, too. That movie has plenty of grit to it (and also camp), and Doug hated it and said it was "too mean spirited." I think it's safe to say that Doug is very inconsistent and dumb when it comes to movies.

Anyway, I saw the MovieBob tweet in regards to NC review. Doug is seriously puzzled about the moment of Jameson covering for Peter Parker? In the Raimi Spider-Man movies, with all of the bad luck that Peter endures, the fact that he's a good man in and out of costume inspires people to stand up to bad guys. It's part of the reason why I find the Raimi movies so damn charming. And yes, it's an obvious little character moment for Jameson, showcasing that with all of the hot air he blows, he's a decent guy deep down. There are multiple moments throughout the trilogy where he cuts Peter down a peg, and then gives him a break ("That price? Outrageous. Done.").

So I guess Doug has proven himself to be a bigger moron than MovieBlob. That's quite an accomplishment.
I think Bob still has Doug beat thanks to his Mario obsession.
I also get pissed off that he shits on many rather sweet moments in the Raimi films. Peter's line about MJ being an angel to Aunt May, the dorky Peter/MJ interactions, etc. Are they corny? Sure. But they are little dorky warmhearted moments that touch me in my feelies because it's just so awkwardly charming. Doug acts like they're the coming of the antichrist.
Does Doug forget that Peter Parker is a ... Nerd?

One of my favorite moments in the first Spider-Man movie was Peter's chit-chat with MJ in the back yard. "I cried like a baby when you played Cinderella!" Dorky? Abso-fricking-lutely. But that's Peter Parker! Dorky, endearing, good hearted ... An underdog to root for.



That is so charming that I actually was smiling as I typed that dialogue out just now. Great moment, and it instantly establishes MJ and Peter's dynamic. It immediately gets the audience to root for them as a couple.

Also, does Doug have zero complaints with this cringe-ridden dialogue? Really?!


Peter and Gwen in these movies are the equivalent to that Seinfeld episode where Jerry and his girlfriend kept saying "Schmoopy!" to each other. Obnoxious! This couple is that couple that everyone knows where they make everyone around them uncomfortable because they're constantly making it all about their relationship. This is a couple that I don't root for.
It also makes sense because Peter is supposed to be a dork, that has always been the character. It’s a lack of stuff like that that makes Garfield and Holland significantly worse Peter Parkers
A few pages ago a conversation was going on about how Doug seems to only like gritty and serious things like most iterations of Batman. And my thinking is he’s been so fine tuned by shit like Batman: The Animated Series that every character, moment, and line of dialogue must be really serious and layered and character driven lest another Batman & Robin happen again. Spider-Man just doesn’t seem to be his kind of hero.
 
A few pages ago a conversation was going on about how Doug seems to only like gritty and serious things like most iterations of Batman. And my thinking is he’s been so fine tuned by shit like Batman: The Animated Series that every character, moment, and line of dialogue must be really serious and layered and character driven lest another Batman & Robin happen again. Spider-Man just doesn’t seem to be his kind of hero.

Batman: The Animated Series is ridden with silly moments, though. B:TAS is a celebration of all facets of Batman.


So, this show is yet another thing that Doug does not "get."
 
A few pages ago a conversation was going on about how Doug seems to only like gritty and serious things like most iterations of Batman. And my thinking is he’s been so fine tuned by shit like Batman: The Animated Series that every character, moment, and line of dialogue must be really serious and layered and character driven lest another Batman & Robin happen again. Spider-Man just doesn’t seem to be his kind of hero.

Except there were silly/dorky moments in Batman: The Animated series too. I recall at one point Batman having a swordfight with Penguin with a fucking thumbtack.

I swear to christ. It's like Doug doesn't understand why the things he likes are good and why the things he hates are...ALSO good. I've never met someone who has so much trouble paying attention to the bare basic details. Don't they teach you how to interpret stories as early as first fucking grade? I guess Doug was sick that day.
 
I think Bob still has Doug beat thanks to his Mario obsession.



A few pages ago a conversation was going on about how Doug seems to only like gritty and serious things like most iterations of Batman. And my thinking is he’s been so fine tuned by shit like Batman: The Animated Series that every character, moment, and line of dialogue must be really serious and layered and character driven lest another Batman & Robin happen again. Spider-Man just doesn’t seem to be his kind of hero.
Doug is a lowkey edgelord. The comment earlier about Cobain and the 90s was spot on; stuff like The Crow could very well have been formative in terms of how he thinks about comic book adaptations.
 
Batman: The Animated Series is ridden with silly moments, though. B:TAS is a celebration of all facets of Batman.


So, this show is yet another thing that Doug does not "get."
Except there were silly/dorky moments in Batman: The Animated series too. I recall at one point Batman having a swordfight with Penguin with a fucking thumbtack.

I swear to christ. It's like Doug doesn't understand why the things he likes are good and why the things he hates are...ALSO good. I've never met someone who has so much trouble paying attention to the bare basic details. Don't they teach you how to interpret stories as early as first fucking grade? I guess Doug was sick that day.
While that Joker bit seems in character for him, I’d say it’s more of Doug thinks Batman has to be a certain way. Superman has to be a certain way. Certain characters must be a certain way, no exception. Also, if you wanna talk “celebration of all things Batman”, I got something for that.
 
IIRC once in a Star Wars Disneycember vid he admitted Empire was his favorite because it was the darkest of the original trilogy, but then went on to claim Return of the Jedi was bad because it wasn't as dark and had too many cute fluffy aliens.

For him cute characters like animals or kids are the work of the devil unless they star in his favorite Disney film, of course.
 
You know, there were some solid campy moments in The Dark Knight as well! Like the stupid Batman voice, for example. I LOOOOVE The Dark Knight but there were definitely silly moments. It's comic books. Even gritty serious grandstands like Watchmen or The Killing Joke had the occasional offbeat moment.

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Fuck you, Doug.
You know, if Doug wants seriousness, then maybe not watch comic book movies? Or for that matter, make his movies feel like crappy comic book movies?
 
I think Bob still has Doug beat thanks to his Mario obsession.



A few pages ago a conversation was going on about how Doug seems to only like gritty and serious things like most iterations of Batman. And my thinking is he’s been so fine tuned by shit like Batman: The Animated Series that every character, moment, and line of dialogue must be really serious and layered and character driven lest another Batman & Robin happen again. Spider-Man just doesn’t seem to be his kind of hero.
That’s always been Doug’s thing. I noticed it as far back has his True Grit reviews, where every old vs new argument was essentially “it’s darker”
For Doug, “darker” always equals “better”
 
Personally I didn't mind the review all that much. Was it his best work? No, far from it. However, I didn't hate it. It was about what I expected to see from modern Nostalgia Critic and it served the purpose for which I clicked the video in that it gave me something mildly inoffensive to listen to while I was having breakfast. Now I know this is supposed to be a thread picking at his videos and actions, and that's cool, I get it. Though I really don't think it was all that bad for one of his filler reviews.

Obviously I don't agree with his opinions on the film but I think what's more egregious here is part Tamera and Malcolm played in the review. The rest of it was just fine but that was eye rolling.
 
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IIRC once in a Star Wars Disneycember vid he admitted Empire was his favorite because it was the darkest of the original trilogy, but then went on to claim Return of the Jedi was bad because it wasn't as dark and had too many cute fluffy aliens.

For him cute characters like animals or kids are the work of the devil unless they star in his favorite Disney film, of course.
Doug feels like he played way too many PS2 games in the mid 2000s.
 
That’s always been Doug’s thing. I noticed it as far back has his True Grit reviews, where every old vs new argument was essentially “it’s darker”
For Doug, “darker” always equals “better”
Eh thats not always necessarily true for Doug, I get how he consistently idolises Darker Themes In super hero movies because Of the DC Dark universe movies we've been getting constantly In recent years, and the colossal size Of the astonishingly successful MCU even taking A darker tone with the Infinity War Saga, but he sometimes does respect campier tones In super hero shows that were designed to be comedies though. We all know He has a fucking huge boner For Warner Bros Cartoons Especially Animaniacs (Christ he never STFUps about it) and I remember him really praising the shit out of Freakazoid! another cartoon made by Steven Spielberg that was a satirical take on the goofier sides of superhero cliches similar to The Tick but pretty much just exclusively Comedy and very little action. He loved the goofy over the top nature as well as the genuinely clever writing and self referential adult humour that mocked itself and other comic book cliches at the time, showing that he does at least appreciate Campier tones as long as they're comedies of course.

What I can't accept is; well, yeah him shitting on darker superhero films for having Campier elements even though Spiderman is one of the campest fucking heroes around and started In the famous 60s cartoon that the very definition of cheesy 'Camp' fun action. He doesn't seem to get not every film has to be the Dark Knight to be considered a classic, even though he did hold the rather unpopular opinion that Christopher Nolan's Batman was a bit overrated and not nearly as smart as he should have been, he is right that Michael Keaton was a better Batman and had a better balance between Camp and genuine Dark brooding tone. Which I s what Batman should be. Doesn't excuse his asshattery though. jeez Doug you should fucking know better than a 13 year old edge lord damn 🤦‍♂️ :roll:
 
That’s always been Doug’s thing. I noticed it as far back has his True Grit reviews, where every old vs new argument was essentially “it’s darker”
For Doug, “darker” always equals “better”
I'd be willing to give Doug a pass on this stuff if he was a true patrician kinophile who watched stuff like Come and See that's just 90+ minutes of unceasing war crimes in Belarus, or who supported and encouraged people to watch serious message films that talked about hard topics without shying away. Doug's kind of "darkness" is poisonously awful because it happens in a vacuum - nothing is real, none of it matters, and at end of the day the film will pull all its punches to get that PG or PG-13. He hasn't gotten over the mentality that kids' entertainment being edgy is transgressive (it really isn't), and he isn't intellectually developed enough to get much out of emotionally complex films aimed at adults, rather than simplistic entertainment made by hacks and aimed at people with a low level of intellectual development. The older he gets, the more pathetic his childishness becomes. I put him around 11-14 in terms of emotional development.
 
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