Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ponderous Pillock]

Here's some funny memes and my translation, and a summary of criticism that doesn't involve "we are chinks that hate niggers on weibo".
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Alright, here's the law itself:

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The law is just one page long.
Australia's, many pages long: https://www.australia.gov.au/information-and-services/immigration-and-visas
USA, same, there's lots of pages: https://www.usa.gov/immigration-and-citizenship
The proposed law is missing a whole bunch of entries. That's why it's vague and that why it's being criticised. Can immigrants get Chinese citizenship? What happens when they commit fraud or worse violent crimes? What about marriage and their children? Will they be deported? Naturalisation? Are they required to be fluent in the Chinese language? There's so many questions, many obvious ones that are crucial to immigration policies that are missing. Besides Weibo acting like the Chink/pol/ when it comes to nigger memes, there's a myriad of valid criticism to make against this proposed law.

Now, I'll translate it.

Chapter Two Requirements for application [of permanent residency (PR)]
#10: Foreigner who abides by Chinese law, has the economics means to live independently in China, and meets the requirements, are allowed to apply for permanent residency in China.
Foreigners who are in China on the basis of foreign relations or business affairs will not be allowed to apply during their stay in China.

#11: Foreigners who provided extraordinary help to China's economy, meeting one of the following requirements, and being recommended by Chinese officials, provincial government, autonomous regions, or municipalities, can apply for PR.
a) Contributing greatly to technology, education, culture, sports, health etc.
b) Charities with great contributions.
c) Contributions to Chinese foreign relations, friendliness among different nations, global peace and global development.
d) Other means of contributions to China's economy

#12 Internationally recognised figures in economics, technology, sports, culture, education, health etc who holds exceptional achievements can apply for PR.

#13 Foreigners who are experts in certain fields and needed to further improve China's economy, meeting one of the below, can apply for PR:
a) Crucial industries and areas recognised by the government, which require experts and specialists.
b) Nationally recognised higher level schools, technological departments invited and recommended assistant doctors, assistant researchers and above experts in the field of technology (or what we call STEM), or other high level schools and technological departments invited and recommended doctors and researchers, are allowed to apply.
c) Highly advanced technological companies, innovative companies, and famous Chinese companies' invited and recommended high end managers (COO?) and experts.
d) Foreigners fulfilling #12 and successfully acquiring Chinese PR can recommend foreign experts to apply.

#14 Chinese immigration office should coordinate with foreign relations, development, education, technology, human resources, social secutiry, business, culture, health, sports etc departments to discuss further on the scope of #12 and #13, includes but not limited to the basis of the laws.

#15 Foreigners legally working in China, and meeting one of the following requirements, and having good credit when it comes to taxation and banking loans, can apply for PR:
a) PhD, or graduated from internationally recognised colleges, been working in China for 3 years and accumulative residency in China for no less than a year.
b) Nationally recognised crucial fields, departments, having 3 consecutive years of work and accumulative residency of no less than one year, and income that is no less than 4 times the average income within the same area of the previous year. (basically, income needs to be 4x of the average of the same industry in the same area the previous year)
c) Working in China for 4 years, accumulative residency of no less than 2 years, income that is no less than 6 times the average income of the same area the previous year.
d) Working in China for 8 years, accumulative residency of no less than 4 years, income that is no less than 3 times the average income of the same area the previous year.
(Note, just the average income, NOT within the same industry, just the same area. Working in tech easily outdoes the average income by 10+ times)
Income in points b) and d) are the minimum requirement, and the standards are to be implements by the governments of the specific regions. (getting a bit lazy, the governments are provincial, municipalities... blahblah, basically the local gov)

#16 Foreigners that meet the requirements of investment laws, investing as the natural person or stock owner of the company, meeting one of the following, and having 3 years of constant investments, with good taxation and bank loan scores, can apply for PR:
a) Investment of 10,000,000 yuan, which is 1.44 million USD
b) Investing in industries or areas that are recommended nationally, meeting the requirements in investment, and meeting the standards in taxation and employment percentage of Chinese citizens. (so, what is the percentage? Not mentioned)
c) Implementing high tech companies, innovative companies, with good outcome, and recommended by the local government.

That's it. Simple, isn't it? It's not the must invest $2 million, be a phd, work for many years, be an expert, reeeeee basically impossible why can't I just fuck a chink and get the PR rubbish spouted by that whatever guy who made the video. It's "one of the following", not "all" which is impossible to meet.

If this law passes, immigration to China is pretty simple. Just work there in tech for 3 years, be nice to managers, and let them recommend you. You're not in tech? Then it's going to be 4 or 8 years and you need somewhat higher income that average. Guess that the average is? Having a supplement store on Chinese eCommerce stores easily earns you 10 times the average, source is friends in China. You either have to be an expert of a field, get recommended as worthy, have $1.5 million USD (1.44 is more than fucking 500k away from 2 million, the disparity is larger than the death tolls of Nanking Massacre, 265k VS 230k VS 300k), or contribute greatly to specific industries. "Greatly" isn't defined.

This law is vague as fuck and make it rather simple to immigrate to China, not that many would want to do so.

Excluding incels sperging about nigger international students on weibo (sorry, most nogs won't meet any of the above), here's the criticism I've seen:
- The law is too vague
- A law shouldn't be passed that has "further discussion" in it
- A law shouldn't be passed with standards being listed as "pending"
- Many Chinese still live in utter poverty, we should worry about our locals first
- Who the fuck wants to move to China?
- With healthcare and access to public transport not readily available in tier 3 areas and below, it's way too early to discuss immigration
- Immigration will bring sophisticated racial relations and tension
- There is no requirement for fluency in the Chinese language
- There is no requirement for knowledge of Chinese culture
- What about marriage, and the kids?
- Did anyone forget about the virus?
- Voting online is stupid, have a real one
- Can the PR be taken away if the person breaks the law, and will they be subsequently deported?
- Fuck chain migration (I agree, fuck it)
- 1.4 billion isn't enough?

But of course, for these channels, it's infinitely easier to find some weibo incel ranting on about niggers and make a video scatterbombing utterly useless non-arguments about racism and xenophobia. Why find or pay someone to translate the thing properly and research local laws and technical jargon when you can virtue signal about how much of a not-racist and not-xenophobic 白左 shitbag you are, whilst garnering positivity from equally vapid and xenophiliac yellow-fever infested peers?

I personally think this law is far too ambiguous, it's as if someone drafted it while taking a batshit dump after eating bat sashimi.
At least basic knowledge and relation to local culture must be required to apply for PR in any place. A Chinaman wanting a PR in Australia should know at least our iconic animals, Australia day, and the correct way to eat a sausage sizzle:
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Fold the bread half, edge to edge, not from the fucking middle you tard.

Conversely, anyone who wants a PR in China should have some connection to Chinese culture, festivals, and icons. DO NOT make it political though. I'll draw the line at National Days.

Moreover, language is important too. PR holders of Australia who can't speak two Engrish sentences are just as pathetic as those living and working in China, who can't speak very basic Chinese. At least primary school level (perhaps year/grade 5 or 6) fluency in the local language should be required.

Chain migration is the definition of being a parasite. That should not be allowed.

What I do agree with that biker guy is marriage. Those who marry, have a stable job, have kids, should be allowed to get a PR. The PR should be taken away if they initiate a divorce 3 years after acquisition for no good reason. This means, those who start relationships to get PRs should have decency. There's plenty of people who do this shit, and I find them distasteful. Marriage is important, not a tool for one's benefit.

All this is babble though, because unless one is diagnosed with severe yellow-fever, who would live there? I wasted 1.5 hours of life translating this horrible joke of a draft.

Maaaaaaan. Them yellow slant eye bug eaters sure hate the Jiggaboos don't they?

 

[Male Idiot]

So am I very sensitive or does anyone else instantly lose attraction for that handsome stranger at the supermarket when you see him with four cartons of toilet paper in his trolley? Something about that level of butthole focusedness is rather offputting. Maybe it's evolution telling me his diet may be lacking?

Nope, it is just your fetish for unwiped arses. Evolution is not sentient, and TP is very new in evolutionary time scale.

 

[AltisticRight]

Maaaaaaan. Them yellow slant eye bug eaters sure hate the Jiggaboos don't they?

Any sane person would.

Guangzhou prisons are full of nogs, it's not even a joke anymore. I've seen leaked photos and holy shit, it's as black as Detroit. There's black people who do business and start families to make their lives better, and there's these smelly niggers whose only ability is to fuck women and do crimes.

Oof... some of these are too funny to not laugh at.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Meanwhile, in the UK:

3 Million volunteers are to be called upon to help cover gaps in the care system for a few hours at a time. It will also be illegal to penalise any workers who decide to volunteer for this role.

That's likely to be under "mitigation" measures and might help cover non-essential duties or help bolster cleaning teams etc etc.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Meanwhile, in the UK:

3 Million volunteers are to be called upon to help cover gaps in the care system for a few hours at a time. It will also be illegal to penalise any workers who decide to volunteer for this role.

That's likely to be under "mitigation" measures and might help cover non-essential duties or help bolster cleaning teams etc etc.

Ah yes, the Dunkirk strategy. Welp it is a good idea in paper. Celadores, cleaning staff and other aids need little to no training and only basic discipline (and by that I mean enough not to steal shit). Hope they do check the discipline part.

This was 5+ years and a shit load of braincells ago so i was paraphrasing, also he was talking post ww2, hence a comparison with the Soviets. Like doesnt the abrams tank need like 1000 hours of work for 2 hours of use or some insane shit like that?

The good news is that this seems to be slowing down/lots more recovering outside of china. This is maxing out at 2% kill rate. This might legitimately be dealt with by june

Well let me put on my history hat for a second and offer an alternative. Now, I don't claim to be an expert on any of this, I just enjoy ww1/interwar/ww2 mechanization as a hobby, and am applying that to cold war era, so take all of these with two massive mountains of salt.

When looking at mid to late WW2 tanks, you need to take into account each countrie's circumstances. They really explain the difference between each side. Xcept for britain. Britain just kinda threw everything at the wall and saw what stuck. Which to be fair worked well enough.

-Germany was seeing its production chain fucked, so they started ramping up the tech war with frankly ridiculous big cats. This was generally a good strategy because they were already going on the defensive, so slow big dick guns that could wreck in ambushes was what they'd need. It wasn't all good because it put a massive strain on their mechanics (transmission fire, just transmission fire), and some of their tanks were either seriously unfit to be on the defensive (sturmtigger, a tank designed to shell enemy towns that would be perfect on stalingrad, designed when the russians were already past the german frontier. Fucking kek. Also elephant, a tank whose biggest issue is being unable to handle even the slightest slopes due to massive weight, sent to Italy, kekamundo!) And some were just idiotic (ferdinand, ratte, to a lesser degree the meme that is the maus) but generally, it was the best they could do.

-Russia knew as soon as Barbarossa it was the atrition game for them. So they stuck with what worked well enough and could be produced in massive numbers. Everyone points out every country around them modded the russian tanks into technically superior variants. But that's because russian tanks were meant to come in waves, not be heroes individually, whereas finland and co needed to mod tanks because they had less. For the russians, it was all about ensuring a constant flow straight to the frontline.

-The USA. The important one here. Knew right from the start its supply like was FUCKED. Their factories were at the other side of the god damned ocean, so sending spare parts for repair was gonna get hard, which meant everything sent to the war needed to be reliable and easy enough for the crew to abandon without hurting their suplies. This is why the M3 was their stockgap, it followed the same principle as the tank destroyers of everyone else, except they added like way too many secondary guns and made it way too tall. But it was a good call despite the memes, and the sherman was the epitome of this. Reliable as fuck until it got hit, easy to abandon once it did. Exactly what the USA needed.

So how does this apply to cold war? Well it's the same thing really. Most of the fighting happened on asia. Russia could easily keep flooding the battlefield with their war of attrition machines, the USA had an ocean to deal with, hence, the tactics kept the same. It's not that either of them didn't understand the other's secrets, it's that their tactics needed to differ. Russia needed to ensure the front didn't roll back into its factories, the USA could let the front fall all the way to the beach but needed to ensure its tanks wouldn't need 3 billion repairs, hence the russians built repairable tanks that could be sent parts constantly and built en masse while the USA built tanks that could get to the frontline quickly and reliably even if the supplies went to shit, do their thing, and be abandoned once they get fucked.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Like doesnt the abrams tank need like 1000 hours of work for 2 hours of use or some insane shit like that?

Not even close. 8 hours of maintenance, roughly, per hour of use. I've seen tanks go out for 30 days of fire and manuever training back when 2nd Armor was still a thing and the entire motorpool be done inside a week. It does really good for a 50 year old tank. Some of those chassis are old M1A1's from the 80's that have undergone SLEP (Service Life Extension Program) to bring them up to modern standards, although most of those old frames were either sold to allies or dumped into the ocean to make a reef.

While it is true that the fastest way to kill a tank is to shoot the mechanic, it's still a wrecking machine.

So how does this apply to cold war? Well it's the same thing really. Most of the fighting happened on asia. Russia could easily keep flooding the battlefield with their war of attrition machines, the USA had an ocean to deal with, hence, the tactics kept the same. It's not that either of them didn't understand the other's secrets, it's that their tactics needed to differ. Russia needed to ensure the front didn't roll back into its factories, the USA could let the front fall all the way to the beach but need3d to ensure its tanks wouldn't need 3 billion repairs, hence the russians built repairable tanks while the USA built tanks that could get to the frontline quickly, do their thing, and be abandoned once they get fucked.

They also had to be largely "field repairable", and the Forward Sustainment [Unit] AKA Forward Support [Unit] was expected to be right behind them and move up after any battle to assist in refuel, rearm, and repair.

Practice was done for winter fighting, where Ordnance Companies would practice handing off fucking 120mm shells from the back of CUC-V or cargo trucks to the crew of the tank to be hand loaded in while still moving. I heard they don't do it any more but during the old WINTEX they refueled on the move if they had to.

Because of the very real threat of nuclear spam from the USSR, the tanks were also designated (for some units like 1/68th Armor) to be "crew expendable" and once they were welded into their tanks by a face roll of tactical nuclear weapons in the 20-200kt range, they were expected to fight to the end. M1A1 and M1 were designed to be able to "rock back" the shockwave of a near-nuke hit, up to 11.5 psi blast wave. The NBC systems would keep the crew alive (in theory) till they could be cut out of the tank.

A lot of support units, even Ordnance Units, had mechanics that were cross-trained to do basic maintenance on the M1 series, the Bradley, the M113, the Crash Hawk, and the Apache.

The theory was a combination of the USSR leapfrogging over the forward units, instead hitting down on the plains, while forcing the US to come at them through the Gap, since the Gap was going to be a hellscape. The US plan was to counter-drive through the gap, pour through it like locusts. V Corps nuclear assets, including hot-loaded tanks, were to drive for Moscow, paying particular attention to flat out nuking Stalingrad for shits and giggles, with a few tanker units from central West Germany plugging the Gap if Hawk Hill in Wildflecken fell, just in case the USSR decided to counter-thrust. The VII Corps units up by the Gap were to swing South, hitting the Soviets down on the plains from behind.

Armored units knew they had a low life expectancy, but the goal was to make it 72 hours until the relief forces from CONUS arrived, with V Corps wreaking as much havoc in the USSR in a death ride to Moscow and beyond, to break Russia's back without ICBM work. To do that, the M1 series tank was designed to go 120 hours without maintenance beyond smacking out the air filters on the back deck, *maybe* changing a few other filters (including NBC filters), and reloading on the move.

The Abrams was designed for maximum survivability in the face of nuclear and chemical weapons to the point where if they had to, they'd shoot the barrel out. During Desert Storm most tanks went 70+ hours without maintenance as the tanks were stress tested during Desert Shield and Operation Crescent Saber.

But hey, who knows how it would have gone. With VII Corps luck they all would have thrown a track 50' from the motorpool and V Corps would have been too drunk to do anything because the USSR attacked the first Sunday after payday.

Obligatory Joke: What do you call a six-pack of beer and a potato? An Irish 7-course meal.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Not even close. 8 hours of maintenance, roughly, per hour of use. I've seen tanks go out for 30 days of fire and manuever training back when 2nd Armor was still a thing and the entire motorpool be done inside a week. It does really good for a 50 year old tank. Some of those chassis are old M1A1's from the 80's that have undergone SLEP (Service Life Extension Program) to bring them up to modern standards, although most of those old frames were either sold to allies or dumped into the ocean to make a reef.

While it is true that the fastest way to kill a tank is to shoot the mechanic, it's still a wrecking machine.

Obligatory Joke: What do you call a six-pack of beer and a potato? An Irish 7-course meal.

It feels like people forgetting it's 8 hours total time of a mechanic team of like, 10 dudes.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

The biggest thing I've noticed since this broke in the mainstream in the past week or two is the mixed messaging. Shit, I even see it ITT. You have people declaring it's over, it's a nothingburger, everyone is panicking for no reason and the media is hyping up for ratings. Then you have ramping up of shutting shit down, escalating plans for dealing with it, etc. And we're not even at 2/1/20 China timeline yet. It's hard to tell who to believe.

It puts me in mind of 9/11. The absolute shock. I went into practical mode right away that morning, withdrawing a couple hundred from the ATM and worrying about how to get home. But in a week the planes were flying again, baseball games were happening, stores were open. Gas spiked for a couple years as did patriotism and security theater/surveillance but beyond that it was far from TEOTWAWKI. So is this 9/11 again? Will we be back to normal by 4/1? Or will there be more cancellations of events, domestic flights, quarantines through summer and beyond? A real change in how we live in America and the world in general? I honestly don't know. I do know I was immediately surprised by how fast panic manifested in Italy and then here.

I do still lean towards what I thought back in January--the actual rate of death will be low, and the average bear has little risk of infection, but the real danger will be economic. Because the supply chain is in many cases several months out, we will see the true effects in late summer and fall with empty shelves in stores, store closures and layoffs, stocks tanking for realsies. Even if the infection is largely subsided.

If factories can be moved or China is truly back to work as they claim, we might have a decent Christmas, but I have my doubts. They are trying to say it's subsiding in China, but I still believe there will be another mass wave as the formerly quarantined are let back out and jammed into factories and offices. I still predict at least a 2008/9 level recession if not Depression.



I am amazed by the people who mock and shame folks buying TP/sanitizer/bleach "instead of food."

You do realize for a lot of people this isn't some zero sum game with a binary choice of "TP or FOOD" right?

I went out and bought 2 giant packs of TP. I'm not home a lot, so honestly each one is like a 1.5 year supply. So worst case I don't buy TP for 3 years. It's not filling a room or anything like an ep of Hoarders--it chills in my storage room with the paper towels. I bought 3 mos worth of long term food and a month of water (I have really good muni water that tests good and tastes like bottled with a cheap filter and I don't think it will get shut off anytime soon). All this "massive prep" fit in my kitchen cabinets with room to spare.

Now I spent probably $50 on the TP, and yeah I could have bought food. But if I wanted $50 more of food I could just...go and buy $50 more today? It's not like that was my last General Grant I was dropping on Charmin.

Good for you to be so prepared but I wasn't talking about people like you. And it's absolutely legit to make fun about people reverting back into apes over a pack of toilet paper.

To quote what I said before:

And still laughing at people wasting money on toilet paper and shit, instead of water and food. If worse comes to worst, you'll stop worrying how to wipe your precious butt or your hands, you'll worry about food. Most of these people were never poor enough to actually hunger. You go without food for two days and we'll see how you feel about stupid TP. You can't make a steak out of toilet paper nor will you learn how to hunt in one day. Very human, modern luxuries before basic needs.

My opinions are based on my life experiences. Your life experiences are probably different. No one stops you or other people from buying (or fighting over the last roll of) TP. However, no one stops me from commenting on it, either.

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Btw, Germany now has 939 cases, but official statistics haven't updated yet. They still say 847. And the Swiss is super mad we won't give them protective gear.

Coronavirus: 939 Fälle Infektionen in Deutschland bestätigt

Die Zahl der bestätigten Coronavirus-Infektionen steigt in Deutschland auf 939. Um die weitere Ausbreitung in Italien einzudämmen, riegelt die Regierung den Norden des Landes mit Venedig und Mailiand ab. Was das für Touristen bedeutet, ist unklar. Alle Entwicklungen im Newsblog.

www.morgenpost.de

 

[Coleslaw]

The biggest point of contention I've seen was China's own fucking problems. People in China are saying lots of Chinese don't even have access to health benefits, the Internet, and public transport. The country is simply not capable to accept immigration. People who are critical of the law aren't sperging about how Tyrone or Jamal will marry their women. Also, so what if some see that as a problem?

Nothing about black people, there aren't enough in all of Africa to replace us. The problem is competition is through the roof for education and jobs, transit and roads are crowded as all hell, and house prices are through the roof. We literally have no room for anybody new.

 

[MadStan]

It would seem new models will come out this week based on some data that is coming to light - and that is that there are a vast number of asymptomatic cases that are out there, but it would appear that not only are they remaining asymptomatic for a few weeks, but longer or permanently i.e. throwing off very very minor symptoms and recovering without anything but a bit of rest at home. Take as an example the the ship on the Nile. All cases on board (45) Asymptomatic as of now and they've been infected for 2 weeks. It will be interesting to see how they all fair by Mid March as a case study.

It is particularly interesting to note how the virus is taking off in quarantine areas where people are following elementary procedures to avoid contamination. I'd say this virus is more contagious than almost can be believed, but I also suspect we have far far more cases out there, so it's mortality rate may settle out at 1% or lower.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Good for you to be so prepared but I wasn't talking about people like you. And it's absolutely legit to make fun about people reverting back into apes over a pack of toilet paper.

To quote what I said before:



My opinions are based on my life experiences. Your life experiences are probably different. No one stops you or other people from buying (or fighting over the last roll of) TP. However, no one stops me from commenting on it, either.

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Btw, Germany now has 939 cases, but official statistics haven't updated yet. They still say 847. And the Swiss is super mad we won't give them protective gear.

Coronavirus: 939 Fälle Infektionen in Deutschland bestätigt

Die Zahl der bestätigten Coronavirus-Infektionen steigt in Deutschland auf 939. Um die weitere Ausbreitung in Italien einzudämmen, riegelt die Regierung den Norden des Landes mit Venedig und Mailiand ab. Was das für Touristen bedeutet, ist unklar. Alle Entwicklungen im Newsblog.

www.morgenpost.de

Gotta disagree about the TP. A shitty butt is going to cause trouble for morale, as is looking around your apartment for napkins, coloring books, and scrap pieces of paper to wipe your ass with. And that's if you're single. Ever try keeping a bunch of under-5 kids clean without toilet paper?

Sure, food and water are higher on the necessity scale, but hygiene is just as important, and I see no reason why I wouldn't stock up on buttwipe at the earliest opportunity while I'm buying the more important stuff.

 

[Otterly]

Still no deaths in germany. i think beer is the solution to this problem.

it’s the wurst (BOOM BOOM.)

Can one of the medkiwis like @Otterly explain why it is so exciting to these guys (aside from money)?

It’s implying that it takes down IL6, which is an interleukin and a key part of the process that triggers a cytokine storm.

I got a quick question. If you don't have a preexisting condition, how long does it take for the immune system to stabilize/recover after successfully fighting off an illness? So like hypothetically, if someone's recovered from the flu, how long should it take for their body to be strong enough to take on another illness?

not possible to say, too many variables. Have a flu jab if you’ve not already had one, and the pneumonia jab if available. You can fight off two things at a time, how sick you will get is going to depend on your general condition, your own individual genetic background and possibly the level of virus you’re exposed to. If you’re young, healthy and don’t smoke, you will probably be OK. If you do smoke, stop that right this moment. Smoking is the worst thing you can do for your health. Everything else is moderation (food, booze, just don’t overdo it) but smoking is just bad.

I'm going to give my potentially unpopular take on all of this; WHO and CDC is just as clueless as we are and the mainstream media is just making things worse. WHO and CDC need to get their shit together and start testing and the mainstream media needs to stop circling this pandemic like fucking vultures and spreading panic about anecdotal or coincidental details happening in China.

WHO are a political body. And a large one - some parts are effective but the main leadership is political. The WHo could cease to exist tomorrow and not much would change. CDC is a different beast and something I respect much more. There’s a gradually increasing infiltration of Management Types but there are people working for the CDC who will literally take a mobile lab to an outbreak of an unknown disease and get working, at huge risk to themselves. The CDC generally are good, the problem is the layer of people between the people doing the actual work (the scientists medic and epidemiologists) and the public. As with most organisations, that layer is less competent but has more power.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Gotta disagree about the TP. A shitty butt is going to cause trouble for morale, as is looking around your apartment for napkins, coloring books, and scrap pieces of paper to wipe your ass with. And that's if you're single. Ever try keeping a bunch of under-5 kids clean without toilet paper?

Hose 'em down out back. Every time they get a speck of dust or snot on 'em. Hose pipe.

 

[Male Idiot]

I need to stock up some TP as well.

Forgot about it when buying 70% alcohol gel, rice and canned food and some water.

Also, learn my friends: If you argue over an item, it goes to the person who wipes a booger on it first.... or wipes his rubber gloves all over it in this case.
Best not to mine for Nurgle Nose treasure and keep your mask on.

 

[Not Really Here]

it’s the wurst (rimshot.)

FIFY

My question is : As the Flu and Pneumonia are co-mingled in the stats for deaths in the US will we ever even know how many deaths are actually from COVID-19?

 

[DewsLit]

Kaleva: 850 quarantined at the Norwegian Military Training Camp - among them 400 Finns | tellerreport.com

There were 400 Finns in the military training camp.

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850 people have been quarantined in a training camp in northern Norway. There are 400 northern Finns. The Kaleva newspaper reports on this.
The magazine reports that a coronavirus infection was discovered in a Norwegian military exercise in Skjold on Thursday in Northern Norway. The entire military camp was quarantined.
No one is allowed out of or out of training camp. 20 people are being tested for coronavirus infection.

Update concerning Finnish troops:

Varsinais-Suomen ensimmäinen varmistettu koronavirustartunta työikäisellä naisella

Turun yliopistollisessa keskussairaalassa on tänään todettu Varsinais-Suomen ensimmäinen laboratoriokokeella varmistettu koronavirustapaus. Tartunnan saanut on työikäinen nainen, joka on palannut vähän aikaa sitten Etelä-Tirolin alueelta Pohjois-Italiasta, kertoo Varsinais-Suomen sairaanhoitopiiri.

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The Army is canceling its participation in the Cold Response 2020 exercise in Tromsø, Norway, due to the coronavirus situation. Approximately 400 Finns from the Kainuu Brigade and the Armed Forces Brigade in Lapland were going to attend the exercise.
The Norwegian Defense Forces have reported that at least one coronavirus infection has been detected in Skjold garrison in northern Norway.
The army reports that the transition of the Finnish troops to the exercise has been suspended today and that the exercise troops have not moved to Norway. In northern Norway, about 850 people are quarantined due to a coronary virus infection in the garrison, according to the Norwegian Defense Forces. The newspaper Kaleva was the first newspaper in Finland to report on this issue. Cold Response is organized in the Troms region. The Skjold garrison in quarantine is well over a hundred kilometers from Tromsø.

 

[Male Idiot]

7 cases in Hungary. 4 Iranian med students (kek), 1 britbong of some kind, britbong's local wife and an old Hungarian.

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Still ALL locals think the virus can not harm the hunnic-aryan master race.

-Why do you wear a mask, we are immune to it.- is a word to word quote.

I had gotten flak for wearing a mask, but I give the true enough explanation that I live with elderly grandma. I explain this politely and usually get an apology, or failing that, a "Látom." or "Értem." which mean "I see." and "I understand." .

Most locals think that pálinka (fruit brandy, usually legal moonshine) kills Corona chan.

But than again, pálinka is a miracle cure that would give snake oil, healing crystals and MMS a run for its money. It is believed to cure all, even hangover.

It is usually 40-70% alcohol and has a fruity aftertaste.

 

[Aria]

People using the London Underground were seen wearing face masks as the nerves around the virus continue to intensify
Coronavirus hits Oxford University: Student tests positive for bug after returning from overseas - while Britain faces 'worse case scenario' of 100,000 deaths after 211 people catch deadly illness

• The student is believed to have self-isolated as soon as they had symptoms
• Oxford University said there is a low risk to other staff and students there
• Student is being offered 'all necessary support' and events will continue
• Comes as hazmat team go into student accommodation at Edinburgh University

A student at Oxford University has tested positive for the coronavirus after returning from overseas travel.

Public Health England confirmed the case to the university yesterday and the Vice-Chancellor informed staff in an internal email seen by the MailOnline.

In the email Professor Louise Richardson claimed she was 'constrained as to what she could say' but was 'glad to report' that the student self-isolated as soon as they developed symptoms and did not attend university or college events after they fell ill.

So far in the UK there have been 211 confirmed cases of the disease and two deaths, two more cases were confirmed in Wales this morning.


Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon this morning admitted it is now a question of 'when' the UK will face a mass coronavirus outbreak - as she confirmed that experts fear a huge death toll in a 'worst case' scenario.

A general view of Oxford University above. The Radcliffe Camera, above, serves as a reading room

On the Oxford University website, it states that the risk to other staff and students is 'very low and that university and college activities can continue as normal'.

The university did not reveal what country the student had travelled from but said its immediate concerns were for the affected student and their family, along with the health and wellbeing of university staff, students and visitors.

'It has been established that the affected student did not attend any university or college events after they felt ill, when they subsequently self-isolated.

'As a result, PHE has advised that the risk to other students and staff is very low and that university and college activities can continue as normal. They have also advised that the university and colleges do not need to take any additional public health actions in the light of this specific case.

Pictured: A graph shows the number of tests (blue), number of positive results (red) and the drastic increase in the amount of coronavirus tests on worried Britons (green)

Speaking on Sky News this morning Nicola Sturgeon (pictured above) said the government was preparing for 100,000 deaths



'We have worked with PHE to make sure that anyone who was in contact with the student after they fell ill have been notified and that they are able to access support and information as needed. PHE do not consider individuals infectious until they develop symptoms.'

It added that the university is taking the situation 'very seriously' and said support would be available for those with any concerns, adding that they would share any further updates of the infection as appropriate.

In an internal note seen by MailOnline Vice-Chancellor Richardson added that the university had been advised that it does not need to take any additional public health actions in light of the case.

'We have anticipated this eventuality and have been preparing for it for some weeks now. Moreover, given the rate of infection across the country, there will in all likelihood be other cases'.

This morning a spokesperson for Oxford University said there were unable to reveal where the student had travelled from and said that the university was continuing to follow advise from Public Health England.

The case at Oxford University comes as a hazmat team were last night pictured going into a student accommodation building at the University of Edinburgh.

Two officers were seen in the suits on campus, and two emergency response vehicles were also parked outside.

A witness told MailOnline that they had arrived at the campus at around 7pm last night.

It is not yet clear why the team was at the campus.

The Department of Health confirmed that cases of the virus in mainland Britain rose by 42 early on Saturday, before officials in Northern Ireland revealed another three cases on Saturday evening.

Overall, there are 184 confirmed cases in England, 16 in Scotland, seven in Northern Ireland and two in Wales.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon today stressed that most people who contract the illness will only suffer 'mild symptoms'.

But she accepted that the government was preparing for a 100,000 deaths. Asked reports of the figure in the Sunday Times, Ms Sturgeon told Sky News: 'We're looking at the scientific worst case scenarios right now... these kind of figures are very much worst case scenarios.'

Two people dressed in hazmat suits were seen going into a student accommodation block at Edinburgh University

Two ambulances were also seen parked outside of the university accommodation last night

She added that the government was looking to mitigate the impact on vulnerable people.

'These kind of figures are broadly in terms of the worst case scenarios that we face,' she said.

'But they are not forecasts. They are not forecasts of what will necessarily happen.'

Ms Sturgeon said it was 'inevitable' that the health service will need more resources.

On moving to the 'contain' phase of UK reaction, Ms Sturgeon said: 'It probably is a case of ‘’when’’ now.'

'This is a serious situation, but the vast majority of people who get this virus will have very mild symptoms and recover reasonably quickly,' she said.

Across the UK the spread of the virus has been impacted the way people go about their day to day lives and many have been spotted wearing face masks when using public transport.

This is while a usually busy and bustling Soho in London remained relatively empty last night as many people opted to stay at home instead.

MailOnline has contacted Edinburgh University and the Scottish Government.

Many were seen outside bars in London but it was considerably less that the usually packed out streets

Last night people were seen walking around Carnaby Street in London which is home to many shops, restaurants and bars

People using the London Underground were seen wearing face masks as the nerves around the virus continue to intensify

 

[Aqua Panda]

So things have quieted down a bit in terms of leaked video from China.

However, I've noticed the following sentiment a lot more from the CCP backed Chinese media. Don't be suprised if this is only the start of the spin.

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

People using the London Underground were seen wearing face masks as the nerves around the virus continue to intensify
Coronavirus hits Oxford University: Student tests positive for bug after returning from overseas - while Britain faces 'worse case scenario' of 100,000 deaths after 211 people catch deadly illness

• The student is believed to have self-isolated as soon as they had symptoms
• Oxford University said there is a low risk to other staff and students there
• Student is being offered 'all necessary support' and events will continue
• Comes as hazmat team go into student accommodation at Edinburgh University

A student at Oxford University has tested positive for the coronavirus after returning from overseas travel.

Public Health England confirmed the case to the university yesterday and the Vice-Chancellor informed staff in an internal email seen by the MailOnline.

In the email Professor Louise Richardson claimed she was 'constrained as to what she could say' but was 'glad to report' that the student self-isolated as soon as they developed symptoms and did not attend university or college events after they fell ill.

So far in the UK there have been 211 confirmed cases of the disease and two deaths, two more cases were confirmed in Wales this morning.


Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon this morning admitted it is now a question of 'when' the UK will face a mass coronavirus outbreak - as she confirmed that experts fear a huge death toll in a 'worst case' scenario.


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A general view of Oxford University above. The Radcliffe Camera, above, serves as a reading room


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On the Oxford University website, it states that the risk to other staff and students is 'very low and that university and college activities can continue as normal'.

The university did not reveal what country the student had travelled from but said its immediate concerns were for the affected student and their family, along with the health and wellbeing of university staff, students and visitors.

'It has been established that the affected student did not attend any university or college events after they felt ill, when they subsequently self-isolated.

'As a result, PHE has advised that the risk to other students and staff is very low and that university and college activities can continue as normal. They have also advised that the university and colleges do not need to take any additional public health actions in the light of this specific case.



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Pictured: A graph shows the number of tests (blue), number of positive results (red) and the drastic increase in the amount of coronavirus tests on worried Britons (green)



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Speaking on Sky News this morning Nicola Sturgeon (pictured above) said the government was preparing for 100,000 deaths



'We have worked with PHE to make sure that anyone who was in contact with the student after they fell ill have been notified and that they are able to access support and information as needed. PHE do not consider individuals infectious until they develop symptoms.'

It added that the university is taking the situation 'very seriously' and said support would be available for those with any concerns, adding that they would share any further updates of the infection as appropriate.

In an internal note seen by MailOnline Vice-Chancellor Richardson added that the university had been advised that it does not need to take any additional public health actions in light of the case.

'We have anticipated this eventuality and have been preparing for it for some weeks now. Moreover, given the rate of infection across the country, there will in all likelihood be other cases'.

This morning a spokesperson for Oxford University said there were unable to reveal where the student had travelled from and said that the university was continuing to follow advise from Public Health England.

The case at Oxford University comes as a hazmat team were last night pictured going into a student accommodation building at the University of Edinburgh.

Two officers were seen in the suits on campus, and two emergency response vehicles were also parked outside.

A witness told MailOnline that they had arrived at the campus at around 7pm last night.

It is not yet clear why the team was at the campus.

The Department of Health confirmed that cases of the virus in mainland Britain rose by 42 early on Saturday, before officials in Northern Ireland revealed another three cases on Saturday evening.

Overall, there are 184 confirmed cases in England, 16 in Scotland, seven in Northern Ireland and two in Wales.

Scottish First Minister Sturgeon today stressed that most people who contract the illness will only suffer 'mild symptoms'.

But she accepted that the government was preparing for a 100,000 deaths. Asked reports of the figure in the Sunday Times, Ms Sturgeon told Sky News: 'We're looking at the scientific worst case scenarios right now... these kind of figures are very much worst case scenarios.'


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Two people dressed in hazmat suits were seen going into a student accommodation block at Edinburgh University


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Two ambulances were also seen parked outside of the university accommodation last night


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She added that the government was looking to mitigate the impact on vulnerable people.

'These kind of figures are broadly in terms of the worst case scenarios that we face,' she said.

'But they are not forecasts. They are not forecasts of what will necessarily happen.'

Ms Sturgeon said it was 'inevitable' that the health service will need more resources.

On moving to the 'contain' phase of UK reaction, Ms Sturgeon said: 'It probably is a case of ‘’when’’ now.'

'This is a serious situation, but the vast majority of people who get this virus will have very mild symptoms and recover reasonably quickly,' she said.

Across the UK the spread of the virus has been impacted the way people go about their day to day lives and many have been spotted wearing face masks when using public transport.

This is while a usually busy and bustling Soho in London remained relatively empty last night as many people opted to stay at home instead.

MailOnline has contacted Edinburgh University and the Scottish Government.



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Many were seen outside bars in London but it was considerably less that the usually packed out streets


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Last night people were seen walking around Carnaby Street in London which is home to many shops, restaurants and bars


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People using the London Underground were seen wearing face masks as the nerves around the virus continue to intensify

LOOK AT THAT FUCKING PHOTO

THE ONLY SO CALLED "PEOPLE" WEARING MASKS ARE SLANTY EYED CHINKS.

IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME IN NEW YORK. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE MASKS AND THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WEARING THEM.

Maaaaaaan. Them yellow slant eye bug eaters sure hate the Jiggaboos don't they?

Everybody needs somebody to look down upon.

7 cases in Hungary. 4 Iranian med students (kek), 1 britbong of some kind, britbong's local wife and an old Hungarian.

Redirect Notice

Still ALL locals think the virus can not harm the hunnic-aryan master race.

-Why do you wear a mask, we are immune to it.- is a word to word quote.

I had gotten flak for wearing a mask, but I give the true enough explanation that I live with elderly grandma. I explain this politely and usually get an apology, or failing that, a "Látom." or "Értem." which mean "I see." and "I understand." .

Most locals think that pálinka (fruit brandy, usually legal moonshine) kills Corona chan.

But than again, pálinka is a miracle cure that would give snake oil, healing crystals and MMS a run for its money. It is believed to cure all, even hangover.

It is usually 40-70% alcohol and has a fruity aftertaste.

I've got a boatload of vodka and garlic to act as a biofilter. The surliness and stank will keep diseased Chinks at bay and the antibacterial power of vodka AND garlic should kill all matter of demons be they microscopic or supernatural. I've got some salo and rye bread to go with it, but I'll file those under "inactive ingredients".

But seriously though; I'm glad you've got masks over there. My best friend did me a huge favor by dropping off a box of N95s for me last night that he "requisitioned" from his construction job. Problem is he could only get me the one so I've got 10 temporary masks between two people. I'm basically saving them for an extreme emergency. I'm just praying that they close NYC so that we don't need to go out anymore. We have more than enough food.