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«With our actions we influence the life and death of many people »

With a long post on Facebook, Dr. Daniele Macchini, a doctor from Humanitas Gavazzeni, talks about his life on the front lines to combat coronavirus. It is a creepy testimony, to be read from the first to the last line.

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In one of the constant emails that I receive from my health management on a more than daily basis now these days, there was also a paragraph entitled "doing social responsibly", with some recommendations that can only be supported. After thinking for a long time if and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that the silence was not at all responsible. I will therefore try to convey to people "not involved in the work" and more distant from our reality, what we are experiencing in Bergamo during these pandemic days from Covid-19. I understand the need not to panic, but when the message of the danger of what is happening does not reach people and I still feel who cares about the recommendations and people who gather together complaining that they cannot go to the gym or be able to do soccer tournaments I shudder.
I also understand the economic damage and I am also worried about that. After the epidemic, the drama will start again. However, apart from the fact that we are literally also devastating our NHS from an economic point of view, I allow myself to raise the importance of the health damage that is likely throughout the country and I find it nothing short of "chilling" for example that a red zone already requested by the region has not yet been established for the municipalities of Alzano Lombardo and Nembro (I would like to clarify that this is pure personal opinion).
I myself looked with some amazement at the reorganizations of the entire hospital in the previous week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", the elective activities interrupted, the intensive therapies freed to create as many beds as possible. Containers arriving in front of the emergency room to create diversified routes and avoid any infections. All this rapid transformation brought in the corridors of the hospital an atmosphere of surreal silence and emptiness that we still did not understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would never come with such ferocity . (I open a parenthesis: all this in silence and without publicity, while several newspapers had the courage to say that private health care was not doing anything).

I still remember my night guard a week ago passed unnecessarily without turning a blind eye, waiting for a call from the microbiology of the Sack. I was waiting for the outcome of a swab on the first suspected patient in our hospital, thinking about what consequences it would have for us and the clinic. If I think about it, my agitation for one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I have seen what is happening.
Well, the situation is now nothing short of dramatic. No other words come to mind. The war has literally exploded and the battles are uninterrupted day and night. One after the other the unfortunate poor people come to the emergency room. They have far from the complications of a flu. Let's stop saying it's a bad flu. In these 2 years I have learned that the people of Bergamo do not come to the emergency room at all. They did well this time too. They followed all the indications given: a week or ten days at home with a fever without going out and risking contagion, but now they can't take it anymore. They don't breathe enough, they need oxygen.
Drug therapies for this virus are few. The course mainly depends on our organism. We can only support it when it can't take it anymore. It is mainly hoped that our body will eradicate the virus on its own, let's face it. Antiviral therapies are experimental on this virus and we learn its behavior day after day. Staying at home until the symptoms worsen does not change the prognosis of the disease.
Now, however, that need for beds in all its drama has arrived. One after another, the departments that had been emptied are filling up at an impressive rate. The display boards with the names of the sick, of different colors depending on the operating unit they belong to, are now all red and instead of the surgical operation there is the diagnosis, which is always the same cursed: bilateral interstitial pneumonia.
Now, tell me which flu virus causes such a rapid tragedy. Because that's the difference (now I'm going down a bit in the technical field): in classical flu, apart from infecting much less population over several months, cases can be complicated less frequently, only when the VIRUS destroying the protective barriers of the Our respiratory tract allows BACTERIA normally resident in the upper tract to invade the bronchi and lungs, causing more serious cases. Covid 19 causes a banal influence in many young people, but in many elderly people (and not only) a real SARS because it arrives directly in the alveoli of the lungs and infects them making them unable to perform their function. The resulting respiratory failure is often serious and after a few days of hospitalization, the simple oxygen that can be administered in a ward may not be enough.
Sorry, but to me as a doctor it doesn't reassure you that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies. The elderly population is the most represented in our country and it is difficult to find someone who, above 65 years of age, does not take at least the tablet for pressure or diabetes. I also assure you that when you see young people who end up in intubated intensive care, pronated or worse in ECMO (a machine for the worst cases, which extracts the blood, re-oxygenates it and returns it to the body, waiting for the organism, hopefully, heal your lungs), all this tranquility for your young age passes.
And while there are still people on social networks who boast of not being afraid by ignoring the indications, protesting that their normal lifestyle habits are "temporarily" in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us. The cases multiply, we arrive at the rate of 15-20 hospitalizations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing.
Emergency provisions are issued: help is needed in the emergency room. A quick meeting to learn how the first aid management software works and a few minutes later they are already downstairs, next to the warriors on the war front. The screen of the PC with the reasons for the access is always the same: fever and respiratory difficulty, fever and cough, respiratory insufficiency etc ... Exams, radiology always with the same sentence: bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia, bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized. Someone already to intubate and go to intensive care. For others it is late ...
Intensive care becomes saturated, and where intensive care ends, more are created. Each fan becomes like gold: those of the operating rooms that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become places for intensive care that did not exist before. I found it incredible, or at least I can speak for Humanitas Gavazzeni (where I work) how it was possible to put in place in such a short time a deployment and a reorganization of resources so finely designed to prepare for a disaster of this magnitude. And every reorganization of beds, wards, staff, work shifts and tasks is constantly reviewed day after day to try to give everything and even more.
Those wards that previously looked like ghosts are now saturated, ready to try to give their best for the sick, but exhausted. The staff is exhausted. I saw fatigue on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already grueling workloads they had. I have seen people still stop beyond the times they used to stop already, for overtime that was now habitual. I saw solidarity from all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?" or "leave that hospitalization alone." Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we are unable to save everyone and the vital signs of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.
There are no more shifts, schedules. Social life is suspended for us. I have been separated for a few months, and I assure you that I have always done my best to constantly see my son even on the days of taking the night off, without sleeping and putting off sleep until when I am without him, but for almost 2 weeks I have not voluntarily I see neither my son nor my family members for fear of infecting them and in turn infecting an elderly grandmother or relatives with other health problems. I'm happy with some photos of my son that I regard between tears and a few video calls.
So be patient too, you can't go to the theater, museums or gym. Try to have mercy on that myriad of older people you could exterminate. It is not your fault, I know, but of those who put it in your head that you are exaggerating and even this testimony may seem like an exaggeration for those who are far from the epidemic, but please, listen to us, try to leave the house only to indispensable things. Do not go en masse to make stocks in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are. You can go there as you usually do. Maybe if you have a normal mask (even those that are used to do certain manual work) put it on. Don't look for ffp2 or ffp3. Those should serve us and we are beginning to struggle to find them. By now we have had to optimize their use only in certain circumstances, as recently suggested by WHO in view of their almost ubiquitous impoverishment.
Oh yes, thanks to the shortage of certain devices, I and many other colleagues are certainly exposed despite all the means of protection we have. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols. Some infected colleagues in turn have infected family members and some of their family members already struggle between life and death. We are where your fears could make you stay away. Try to make sure you stay away. Tell your family members who are elderly or with other illnesses to stay indoors. Bring him the groceries please.
We have no alternative. It's our job. In fact, what I do these days is not really the job I'm used to, but I do it anyway and I will like it as long as it responds to the same principles: try to make some sick people feel better and heal, or even just alleviate the suffering and the pain to those who unfortunately cannot heal.
I don't spend a lot of words about the people who define us heroes these days and who until yesterday were ready to insult and report us. Both will return to insult and report as soon as everything is over. People forget everything quickly. And we're not even heroes these days. It's our job. We risked something bad every day before: when we put our hands in a belly full of blood of someone we don't even know if he has HIV or hepatitis C; when we do it even though we know it has HIV or hepatitis C; when we sting with the one with HIV and take the drugs that make us vomit from morning to night for a month. When we open with the usual anguish the results of the tests at the various checks after an accidental puncture hoping not to be infected. We simply earn our living with something that gives us emotions. It doesn't matter if they are beautiful or ugly, just take them home.
In the end we only try to make ourselves useful for everyone. Now try to do it too though: with our actions we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share and share the message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here in Italy.
 
Can they even get masks? If not, then public health messages need to be telling people how to improvise them.

It's also not the first pandemic in over a century. Hong Kong flu killed between 1 and 4 million people from 1968-1970. Before that was the Asian flu pandemic in the late 1950s and since then we've also had the H1N1 pandemic of 2009.
Why this shit always originate in Asia? Stop eating bats goddamit :'(
 
It's incredible how political this situation has become.

Republicans are downplaying it because they're worried about the economy affecting Trump's re-election, and Democrats are cheering on as the stock markets plummet and as the media generates mass hysteria to affect the 2020 election. All of this is a great reminder that Republican or Democrat ... Our elected representatives simply do not care about the well being of their constituents.

Trump and the federal government have signed off on research for this virus. Lots of money has been thrown at the situation, so it's just a lie that Trump isn't doing anything. However, Trump's initial press conference was not a good move on his part, as it easily came across as downplaying the situation. He wasn't being the brash straight-talker that a lot of his supporters appreciate about him when it came to this.

Anyway, do I think this will get worse before it gets better? Yes. But I'm not expecting the apocalypse.
 
Footage footage footage footage footage.

Is it bad of me to hope this kills off a shitload of bankers, politicians, and journalists? Probably the three most useless groups of people in existence besides Neets.

Yeah ... your going straight to Hell for thinking incorrect thoughts.....

Actually hopefully when we all finally get "there," there is some sort of triage .... 🤣
 
8:02 a.m. Federal officials warn 7 companies allegedly selling phony coronavirus cure: The Federal Trade Commission and U.S. Food and Drug Administration sent warning letters to seven companies that are accused of selling unapproved products — including teas, essential oils and colloidal silver — as coronavirus treatment. According to the FDA, there aren’t any approved vaccines or drugs to treat the virus yet. The agencies sent the letters to the following companies: Vital Silver; Quinessence Aromatherapy Ltd.; N-ergetics; GuruNanda, LLC; Vivify Holistic Clinic; Herbal Amy LLC; and The Jim Bakker Show.

I really needed that good laugh this morning. Leave it to the absolute woos to try this kind of shit. I'm honestly surprised not to see some familiar MLMs in there, like Young Living and NuSkin. Or maybe a parent company is listed and I'm just out of the loop.

Chug that garlic essential oil, boys and girls. It's not a vaccine and it won't cure the Wu-flu, but you'll smell like AIDS in a large enough radius to self quarantine even if you leave home. Get yourself some gloves and you'll be good to go.

Amazing to see people fall for this crap. Everybody knows you have to drink squeeze (sterno) so you have acidosis, cant be infected if your PH is outta wack.
 
It's incredible how political this situation has become.

Republicans are downplaying it because they're worried about the economy affecting Trump's re-election, and Democrats are cheering on as the stock markets plummet and as the media generates mass hysteria to affect the 2020 election. All of this is a great reminder that Republican or Democrat ... Our elected representatives simply do not care about the well being of their constituents.

Trump and the federal government have signed off on research for this virus. Lots of money has been thrown at the situation, so it's just a lie that Trump isn't doing anything. However, Trump's initial press conference was not a good move on his part, as it easily came across as downplaying the situation. He wasn't being the brash straight-talker that a lot of his supporters appreciate about him when it came to this.

Anyway, do I think this will get worse before it gets better? Yes. But I'm not expecting the apocalypse.

The last thing you want in an emergency situation is a "brash straight-talker". Even with the chill tone people have described as "incompetent ect." there was panic buying nearly everywhere.

It's very basic math panic=death.
On the positive side, if you have spare cash oil will double it for you in a few months if you invest before it goes over $35 a barrel.
 
Trump and the federal government have signed off on research for this virus. Lots of money has been thrown at the situation, so it's just a lie that Trump isn't doing anything. However, Trump's initial press conference was a good move on his part, as it easily came across as downplaying the situation. He wasn't being the brash straight-talker that a lot of his supporters appreciate about him when it came to this.
'Initial press conference'?

He's still 'just a flu' posting as of thismorning.
Democrats are cheering on as the stock markets plummet and as the media generates mass hysteria to affect the 2020 election. All of this is a great reminder that Republican or Democrat ... Our elected representatives simply do not care about the well being of their constituents.
Democrats are pointing out that a government that doesn't provide for public health and a system of employment and healthcare that encourages sick people to stay at work and spread disease is problematic? Boy, that sure sounds self-interested.
 
After the announcement of the new restrictions that are to take place, people are panic buying food! The result are massive queues in front of grocery stores and supermarkets, which are kinda contrary to the idea of placing restrictons to avoid big gatherings of people...
Our government has managed to incite a panic. Personally I don't think you can quarantine a fucking flu; precautions, yes, but stopping a whole country in its tracks is idiotic.
We had 1897 new cases today, I'm willing to bet tomorrow it's gonna be more than 2000. We're enacting policies without knowing wheter or not they're gonna be effective.
 
Yeah it sucks because like everything else in the US from Star Wars movies to peanut butter to 'abortions, there must be a Correct Left and Correct Right Opinion. Now there is on Corona Chan.

From what Trump has said to that idiot in the gas mask to Rush and Hannity, the party line is Just A Flu, you're a carefag if you worry. Totes fake like global warming.

Not to get all Election Discussion, but I'd say it's worry over a tanked economy fucking over Trump in the general.

But this is why I discount govt and mainstream media sources-they often have an agenda. Which is why I read this thread. I'd rather see unedited primary sources and make up my own mind.
He focused too much on the stock market. I'm pretty apolitical, but it seems over the last year he's been using it as his as his biggest accomplishment. Economy great, black unemployment down yada yada yada. Someone should've have told him rescission happens about every 10 years. It's been 12, we are right on schedule for the next one. It just takes something to get the stock markets to free fall, coronavirus seems to be what kicked it off and saudi russia oil trade war just speeding up the fall. If just wonder if he would react if certain states in act mass quarantines.
 
Could you make a UV iron for surface disinfection that only targets the surface and doesnt bathe the room in light?

Uhh TP can double as tissue, the reverse is not necessarily true. Also I don't know this for certain but I am willing to bet TP is cheaper compared to the same amount of tissues.

Here. It isn't an iron though.


I wouldn't bother with it. Like I said in an earlier post, use a somewhat diluted restaurant degreaser. It will break down the cell walls of viruses. Then mist with a 10% bleach solution, leave on for 10 seconds then towel dry.

As far as this toilet paper thing goes, I admit, I am baffled. If anything you should be careful about clogging your toilet if you are at risk of dying of this virus. Or clogging the line, if you live in an apartment. Then you need to call a plumber, at a time that you might be leave without pay, or whatnot. Use a minimal amount and dispose in bathroom trash bin to avoid these issues. Or use a wetwipe and dispose in the trash.
 
Watching the live broadcast from the WH on the coronavirus and market shit storm. If I was concerned yesterday, this bunch of monkeys who just told us not to worry have my full backing for next week to be far worse than this week.

If you're a betting man and think this is going to get better before worse, than spend your money on brain cells instead.

What are you trying to say? I feel like I am reading a Google translation.
 
Trump started the morning the way he normally does: he kicked a baby kitten in the face, drank a half goblet of baby goat tard cum which he promptly spat into the toilet that his interns call Sen. Lindsey Graham, and demanded that he be given a noggin of eel blood.
I hate The Root so goddamn much. People like that keep racism alive and well, and yet they'll be genuinely astonished when they end up hanging from a noose or, more realistically, murdered by one of their own over a drug deal gone wrong or a display of "disrespect" towards the wrong gang banger.

These dumb niggers could have tried to make their lives better somehow, but they'll waste their dying breath cursing Trump instead.

Can we crowd-fund their relocation to Chicago to be with there diverse brethren?
 
He focused too much on the stock market. I'm pretty apolitical, but it seems over the last year he's been using it as his as his biggest accomplishment. Economy great, black unemployment down yada yada yada. Someone should've have told him rescission happens about every 10 years. It's been 12, we are right on schedule for the next one. It just takes something to get the stock markets to free fall, coronavirus seems to be what kicked it off and saudi russia oil trade war just speeding up the fall. If just wonder if he would react if certain states in act mass quarantines.
In some respects, this might be a blessing for him since a pandemic and an oil war are reasons for a bloodletting of the market that have little to do with US policy decisions, so if there were a market correction inbound that ends up working itself out because of external factors he's less likely to be blamed than if something similar happened without clear proximate causes.

What retirement savings I have are all in ETFs, but I'm not really worried because the timeframe for when I'm looking to realize on gains is decades out. A pandemic is a short-term disruption, not a structural issue, so I'd expect market valuation to return to something near where it was once the bug has burned itself out and business has returned to normal. It would have been nice to have waited on my annual Roth contributions, I suppose, but trying to time the market is a fool's game.
 
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'Initial press conference'?

He's still 'just a flu' posting as of thismorning.

Democrats are pointing out that a government that doesn't provide for public health and a system of employment and healthcare that encourages sick people to stay at work and spread disease is problematic? Boy, that sure sounds self-interested.

Yo, Trump didn't call it a flu in this tweet though. He literally said the words "common flu" and separated it from "Corona Virus." He's just throwing statistics out there in attempt to get people to calm the f down. Also, you didn't address the money he's signed off on to combat the virus either. There are actions being taken to try to make this better before it gets worse. Until then, all we can do is wait, calm down, and practice good hygiene and common sense. A tanking economy hurts everyone as well; it's important to not let that get worse, too.

What do you want Trump to say? We're all doomed? Would you be satisfied with that, or would you then be REEEing about how Trump is an alarmist?

If you think the Democrats have your best interests in mind and are not politically motivated, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
 
In some respects, this might be a blessing for him since a pandemic and an oil war are reasons for a bloodletting of the market that have little to do with US policy decisions, so if there were a market correction inbound that ends up working itself itself out because of external factors he's less likely to be blamed than if something similar happened without clear proximate causes.

What retirement savings I have are all in ETFs, but I'm not really worried because the timeframe for when I'm looking to realize on gains is decades out. A pandemic is a short-term disruption, not a structural issue, so I'd expect market valuation to return to something near where it was once the bug has burned itself out and business has returned to normal. It would have been nice to have waited on my annual Roth contributions, I suppose, but trying to time the market is a fool's game.
Agree.
National emergencies are the same as war, people reach for stability not change. Political damage from the markets freaking out will be minimal.
 
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