2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Calooby]

Man in November I'm just going to vote for Tulsi Gabbard if she's still in the race. She's a persistent fucker who just won't give up even though she's losing incredibly compared to Bernie and Biden. She won't win, but if people ask me who I voted for, I will tell them that I voted for her, not caring what people think. I'll take pride in knowing I didn't cave in and vote for anyone that I didn't believe in, it doesn't matter to me who's the most popular.

EDIT: Boy did this ever fucking age poorly lmao gg

 

[2021Murder]

So you think Biden will be a very tough matchup for Trump as he has a teflon style to him that reminds me of Trump and Reagan, no matter the fuckups, he beat out everyone else.

I'm not going to speculate on the real election, i'm just saying, i was correct for pointing out that the DNC pre-determined the outcome of this and last week's primary a year and a half ago.

I will say, Biden the next 5 months is going to get to re-enact McCain's 2008. McCain looked like he would fare aganist Barack the same way the polls show Biden doing aganist Trump now. Biden was the mainstream's pick just like McCain, McCain destroyed his entire shot by trying to appeal to the fringe by picking Palin as his VP. Biden might do that or might not, but we all know his team has to make some sort of concession to that side. Plus the media is going to have to go into overtime to make sure Biden doesn't look braindead by the time September gets here. he's barely doing well enough as it is, and it looks like the DNC is trying to wrap this up so Biden won't get the Wu Flu or end up with a Hillary moment.

Like everyone's been saying since 2017, the crackdown will be happening the rest of this year, they can't let people see how bad Biden is getting. I would be surprised but not too much if they finally go after the socialists this year. Plus with the Wu Flu, that's essentially the DNC's saving grace, they can cancel every event planned from now until September, even the convention if Sanders throws in the towel, which he seems ready to do.

overall i think much like war, Biden v Trump will be determined in the 6 months leading up to the confrontation. Honestly the DNC better start believing in god because the Wu Flu is the best thing they could ask for, its a great substitution for political coverage the media would need to fill air time, it limits the huge gatherings protests might cause, it also gives them reason to cancel whatever events they want. and beyond all that, it makes trump go nuts, every person thats met trump has noticed how he's Howie Mandel esque with his germphobia, thats probably half the reason Pence finally got something to do, and was picked to lead this effort to stop the virus.

Trump is probably doing Metokur esque rants as we speak because this virus is his worst nightmare, it kills off people his age in the worst way possible, it can be caught by people not showing symptoms and they could have caught it a month ago. Trump is a people person, and not in the way most people describe, but in the Ava Devine way. He goes stir crazy if he's not trying to put on a show for someone. thats the big reason why he crashes wedding, and has done at least one rally every week for almost 5 years and why you're near guaranteed to meet him if you end up at any of his properties for long enough, hell thats why he's so good at twitter and why he's on it as much as your average black teenager. he needs that interaction. he would probably off himself if he had to self quarantine for a whole month. its barely been in the us for a month and he's already looking like he's starting to lose it, he hasn't canceled any rallies but i'm sure his advisors would start pushing it on him when it gets worse in the next couple months.

So basically when the debates do happen, i bet the first one will be like the obama-romney one. the incumbent is off his game to a historic degree and the challenger is doing terrible but doing well enough for people to say the incumbent is done. Trump's going to do as well as a meth head thats been through withdrawl for months.

But right now the biggest thing that will determine election day will be that vp pick, and just like the last dozen, its not giong to be someone we expect. so until july, you can basically switch off politics and turn on pandemic watch

EDIT: For all those thinking Bernie might stick it out, the rest of this month's primaries are Florida (anti-Castro), Illinois(Land of Barack) and Georgia (Black Mecca) and two other states, only one of which Bernie has a huge lead in (Arizona)

Basically Bernie will be trying his hardest to just get 15% of the vote in most of these places. Biden's going to outnumber him in delegates 2 to 1 by the end of the month in the best predictions.

 

[A Logging Company]

I also think you underestimate how bad the economy is going to get ratfucked by this thing. 2008 level disaster is the best case scenario at this point.

Having an '08 styled meltdown will only happen if we have a systemic breakdown of the financial system. While that is a possibility (who knows what kinds of exotic financial instruments Wallstreet has cooked up over the past 10 years), but more likely we will have an economic slowdown due to virus disruptions, and a standard ressesion as a result.

 

[It's HK-47]

Instinctively, I want to take a giant shit on this because it looks like such a moronic take, but he's kind of right. The Democratic Party, IE: The voters, are clearly more moderate than any of these people had been anticipating. If they veered as far to the Left as these people had anticipated, none of the far-Left candidates that ran in 2018 and now in 2020 would have gotten curb-stomped as hard as they did.

If he's talking about the actual DNC heads way up at the top of the ladder, though, then he's a fucking moron, but he's a high-profile member of the media so that's also kind of redundant. I'll give Joe "Intern Smasher" Scarborough the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he'll squander it, but at least he's in the same fucking zip code as the truth, for once.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

A fairly old article, but I haven't seen it posted on this site yet:

Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says

Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left

news.yahoo.com

Relevant parts:

Spoiler

Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting," he told Sweden's Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, according to one translation. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."

(...)
Why would a Swedish Social Democrat favor Buttigieg over Sanders? Well, democratic socialism is different than Sweden's social democracy — the "Nordic model" Sanders touts — "and, unfortunately, Sanders has contributed to this confusion," writes MIT political economist Daron Acemoglu. Democratic socialism seeks to fix the iniquities of the market economy by handing control of the means of production to a company's workers or "an administrative structure operated by the state," he explains. "European social democracy is a system for regulating the market economy, not for supplanting it."

Lars Løkke Rasmussen, then the prime minister of Denmark, made a similar point in a speech at Harvard in 2015, when Sanders was gaining national attention. "I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy," albeit with "an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens."

Article even includes some laughable damage control by a Voxshevik:

Rasmussen's model, Vox's Matthew Yglesias wrote at the time, "is not especially different, as a substantive matter, from what Sanders is saying." Sanders wants "higher taxes, a lot more social welfare spending," and single-payer health care, he adds. "But in Rasmussen's view, this doesn't amount to socialism at all."

'No, no, the people were supposedly emulating are wrong. They don't even know what they're doing is Socialism!'

Even Beanieman gave a decent take on this:

tl;dw: Bootyjudge rightfully pointed out that no non-Communist country has ever abolished private healthcare. Pretty much every universal healthcare model has some kind of private element, or addition or alternative inherent to it, and outlawing those things completely would nearly almost be unwanted, if not downright undesirable.

I've repeatedly stated that Sanders is radical even by European standards, and that Berniebros seem to have a very warped view of what the rest of the First World is like. I can't see anyone with Bernie's platform getting a considerable share of the vote in any member state of the EUSSR, which means he's utterly doomed in an American presidential election.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

Kim Iverson is pushing for a new third party

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

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And there you have it, Bernie Sanders preemptively begins bending his knee to the establishment. Again.

They never learn...

 

[heyitsmike]

Poor Bernie. He had one shot, one opportunity to seize everything he ever wanted and instead of capturing it, he let it slip away. Mom's Spaghetti

It's also funny that much like the British Labour Party, they're still in denial and believe they "won the argument."

UK: Polls show Corbyn lost because people were voting on Brexit, they liked his policies though!
US: Polls show Bernie lost because people were voting on electability, way more than half of Dem voters want Medicare for All though!

Oy vey. They'll never learn.

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Instinctively, I want to take a giant shit on this because it looks like such a moronic take, but he's kind of right. The Democratic Party, IE: The voters, are clearly more moderate than any of these people had been anticipating. If they veered as far to the Left as these people had anticipated, none of the far-Left candidates that ran in 2018 and now in 2020 would have gotten curb-stomped as hard as they did.

If he's talking about the actual DNC heads way up at the top of the ladder, though, then he's a fucking moron, but he's a high-profile member of the media so that's also kind of redundant. I'll give Joe "Intern Smasher" Scarborough the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he'll squander it, but at least he's in the same fucking zip code as the truth, for once.

I still can't believe we managed to get the Dems to take Joe Scarborough, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, Nicolle Wallace, Bret Stephens, Max Boot, Anna Navarro, David Frum, George Will, Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols and other assorted trash.

 

[XYZpdq]

So is there any theoretical way for Sanders to get the numbers he would need to win? Any realistic way?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

So is there any theoretical way for Sanders to get the numbers he would need to win? Any realistic way?

Theoretically? Yes. If he wins ALL the delegates (or even only 57% I think is the number) he can get to 1991 and be nominated. This is very unlikely, even if Biden were to literally die he'd probably continue to get delegates from already mailed votes.

There is no realistic way for Bernie to get the numbers he needs. The most realistic way for him to be nominated now would be for Biden to go insane, tag him as his VP, and then promptly die.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I still can't believe we managed to get the Dems to take Joe Scarborough, Jennifer Rubin, Bill Kristol, Nicolle Wallace, Bret Stephens, Max Boot, Anna Navarro, David Frum, George Will, Rick Wilson, Tom Nichols and other assorted trash.

All I know is polls can be manufactured. On YouTube, Trump gets a positive net ratio on likes to dislikes compared to Biden. However the gamblers last I checked have abandoned Trump for Biden all because of Corona Chan.

At least it's good for the GOP to send neocon fucks back to where they belong. However I doubt Trump will capitalize on this to his advantage.

 

[XYZpdq]

Theoretically? Yes. If he wins ALL the delegates (or even only 57% I think is the number) he can get to 1991 and be nominated. This is very unlikely, even if Biden were to literally die he'd probably continue to get delegates from already mailed votes.

There is no realistic way for Bernie to get the numbers he needs. The most realistic way for him to be nominated now would be for Biden to go insane, tag him as his VP, and then promptly die.

Thanks. I figured there was some hard numbers but was too lazy to look lol

 

[heyitsmike]

At least it's good for the GOP to send neocon fucks back to where they belong. However I doubt Trump will capitalize on this to his advantage.

It's not up to the GOP or even Trump to send the neocons back to where they belong.

It's up to the base and the base is in no mood to suffer those fucks any more. They know they are not welcome. Pierre Delecto knows he is not welcome. The Bush family knows they are not welcome. The McCain family knows they are not welcome. It's the base, and only the base, doing that.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Thanks. I figured there was some hard numbers but was too lazy to look lol

For the hard numbers 538 isn't too bad - they tell you how it "could" happen. Basically Bernie has to win everything going forward, and hard, and the remaining states are Biden favored (Bernie is tied in WA which goes to show how much of his appeal was "Clinton sucks").

 

[2021Murder]

So is there any theoretical way for Sanders to get the numbers he would need to win? Any realistic way?

if Biden dies with his last words being Bernie deserves the nomination, and it happened in front of thousands of people at a rally.

thats pretty much the easiest and most likely way for him to win.

All I know is polls can be manufactured. On YouTube, Trump gets a positive net ratio on likes to dislikes compared to Biden. However the gamblers last I checked have abandoned Trump for Biden all because of Corona Chan.

At least it's good for the GOP to send neocon fucks back to where they belong. However I doubt Trump will capitalize on this to his advantage.

"Gambler" is a lot like "voter" anyone can be one, and most of them are uninformed. it reminds me of the last half dozen fights Mayweather did, everyone who knew anything about boxing knew he would win, but a few idiots were willing to bet against him. Trump had a roughly 25% chance to win on election day, and a 15% chance the week before.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Biden dies with his last words being Bernie deserves the nomination, and it happened in front of thousands of people at a rally.

Let's not kid ourselves, the DNC and its pet hacks would still find a way to spin that into a negative for Sanders, and cuck him into endorsing some other gimp.

 

[Not Really Here]

Theoretically? Yes. If he wins ALL the delegates (or even only 57% I think is the number) he can get to 1991 and be nominated. This is very unlikely, even if Biden were to literally die he'd probably continue to get delegates from already mailed votes.

There is no realistic way for Bernie to get the numbers he needs. The most realistic way for him to be nominated now would be for Biden to go insane, tag him as his VP, and then promptly die.

You're forgetting the delegates will vote whatever way they feel like at the convention. As long as the candidate is in they have a chance until the convention votes.

 

[YooA]

You're forgetting the delegates will vote whatever way they feel like at the convention. As long as the candidate is in they have a chance until the convention votes.

In the first round of voting delegates cannot vote whatever way they feel like, they are pledged delegates. To win the Democratic nomination, a presidential candidate must receive support from a majority of the pledged delegates on the first ballot: 1,991 pledged delegates. There are 3,979 pledged, and 771 Superdelegates. 4,750 total.

If the convention is contested and goes to a second ballot or more, superdelegates will be able to vote and a candidate must receive majority support from all delegates—2,375.5 votes. Previously, superdelegates were able to vote on the first ballot. This rule changed after the 2016 presidential election, when Bernie Bros cried a lot.

I think it's unlikely that Bernie will get more pledged delegates than Biden at this point, especially now that we're seeing JOEMENTUM in full swing. So even if Joe does not get 1,991 pledged delegates, he'll have more than Bernie, and the superdelegates will fall in line behind Biden.

 

[Not Really Here]

In the first round of voting delegates cannot vote whatever way they feel like, they are pledged delegates. To win the Democratic nomination, a presidential candidate must receive support from a majority of the pledged delegates on the first ballot: 1,991 pledged delegates. There are 3,979 pledged, and 771 Superdelegates. 4,750 total.

If the convention is contested and goes to a second ballot or more, superdelegates will be able to vote and a candidate must receive majority support from all delegates—2,375.5 votes. Previously, superdelegates were able to vote on the first ballot. This rule changed after the 2016 presidential election, when Bernie Bros cried a lot.

I think it's unlikely that Bernie will get more pledged delegates than Biden at this point, especially now that we're seeing JOEMENTUM in full swing. So even if Joe does not get 1,991 pledged delegates, he'll have more than Bernie, and the superdelegates will fall in line behind Biden.

Sure, now cite the law or bylaw that says they can't be faithless.

 

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uh, does that "#JillSteinIsARussianAsset" "trend" have something to do with the election?

Yes. Dr. Stein called out Biden for his cognitive decline that the DNC is demanding everyone ignore.