Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

Yeah it sounds like ChickenPanic is a fan. Give up on defending Chloe it’s pretty sad.
I already said I watch the channel dude, I wouldn't say I'm a fan but the channel itself is informative as it links a lot of studies when talking about dissociation and childhood trauma theory. The studies that she features are a very interesting read and are more useful than just anecdotal evidence. I don't really give 2 shits about he relationship with Nan, I'm not one for uwu lovey dovey cringe, I just watch the trauma and dissociation related videos.

I don't want to sound confrontational because I do like you for the most part, but why are you defending this girl so hard when her evidence is sketchy at best? Do you know her personally or something?
Nope don't know her at all. I'm defending her because from a psychiatric standpoint her symptoms check out, that's all. I've seen how childhood trauma can fuck up someone to the point of severe dissociation related illness IRL, not DID to my knowledge mind you, but amnesia and CPTSD.

I don't believe anybody on the internet 100%, hense why I said to the OP here I would like them to do more research, make the post more convincingly worded in places and source more evidence other than opinion that she is faking. If you were reading some kind of encyclopedia you wouldn't have it asking people to confirm stuff because you don't know enough about it, so I really want OP to get their facts straight and make the article read a bit more professional. I would be open to changing my mind on this with enough evidence, but at the moment the 'sketchiness' of her symptoms still line up on a psychiatric level.

It's pretty convenient that she "switches" every video.


I don't like walls of text, so I'll try to keep this brief.
>Personality is at least half genetic, so there's no reason why "alters" should have such a wide variety of personalities.
>"Alters" are all disintegrated aspects of the same person, so there's no reason why they should have different accents/names/appearances.
>The only legitimate examples I can think of a grown-up acting like a 6-year-old is either low-functioning autism, mental rеtardation, or fetish shit.
>If someone actually thinks that they are an animal/dead person/magical creature, it is a clear sign of severe psychosis or delusion and should require institutionalization.

- Personality, as in how you see yourself/view others/morals etc, is very much documented in psychiatry as being related social development. I would say look at anything child development theory wise other than Frued for evidence of that, especially things like attachment theory. If personality is genetic, conditions such as attachment disorders shouldn't develop how they do. Personality disorders are potentially partly genetic, as it's more common to develop one with a close relative having one themselves, but your actual sense of self develops from socialisation (both in the theoretical sense of learning and in the actual sense of socialising with others). DID is said to develop specifically in a combination of having severe trauma and irregular attachments with your primary care givers, along with I assume some kind of genetic factors as still not everyone who goes through situations like that will even develop PTSD let alone a full blown dissociative disorder.

I'm gonna say what I said earlier in that if people want to get into the validity of the disorder as a whole in happy to debate over DM as to not shit up the thread. What I will say though is psychosis and dissociative related symptoms are really different. People with legitimate DID don't believe they are actually multiple people or animals etc, even Chloe has said so in her own content. They have fragmented parts that the brain has processed into the form of alters to deal with severe trauma, dissociated away from the fact the trauma has happened to the person directly and developed by the mind of a child, meaning a lot of it is very much rooted in semi-fantastical logic which can lead to non-human alters.

Child alters are something that are seen in the majority of cases of DID. I'll need to find a source on that, but I remember reading somewhere that most sufferers have at least one child-like alter, I assume because that part split off when the original trauma happened, but some people's alters seem to age up with the rest of the body whilst others stay stuck at that age. Again, there is probably a psychological reason for that, but I haven't read enough into it to know why personally yet.
 
I already said I watch the channel dude, I wouldn't say I'm a fan but the channel itself is informative as it links a lot of studies when talking about dissociation and childhood trauma theory. The studies that she features are a very interesting read and are more useful than just anecdotal evidence. I don't really give 2 shits about he relationship with Nan, I'm not one for uwu lovey dovey cringe, I just watch the trauma and dissociation related videos.


Nope don't know her at all. I'm defending her because from a psychiatric standpoint her symptoms check out, that's all. I've seen how childhood trauma can fuck up someone to the point of severe dissociation related illness IRL, not DID to my knowledge mind you, but amnesia and CPTSD.

I don't believe anybody on the internet 100%, hense why I said to the OP here I would like them to do more research, make the post more convincingly worded in places and source more evidence other than opinion that she is faking. If you were reading some kind of encyclopedia you wouldn't have it asking people to confirm stuff because you don't know enough about it, so I really want OP to get their facts straight and make the article read a bit more professional. I would be open to changing my mind on this with enough evidence, but at the moment the 'sketchiness' of her symptoms still line up on a psychiatric level.



- Personality, as in how you see yourself/view others/morals etc, is very much documented in psychiatry as being related social development. I would say look at anything child development theory wise other than Frued for evidence of that, especially things like attachment theory. If personality is genetic, conditions such as attachment disorders shouldn't develop how they do. Personality disorders are potentially partly genetic, as it's more common to develop one with a close relative having one themselves, but your actual sense of self develops from socialisation (both in the theoretical sense of learning and in the actual sense of socialising with others). DID is said to develop specifically in a combination of having severe trauma and irregular attachments with your primary care givers, along with I assume some kind of genetic factors as still not everyone who goes through situations like that will even develop PTSD let alone a full blown dissociative disorder.

I'm gonna say what I said earlier in that if people want to get into the validity of the disorder as a whole in happy to debate over DM as to not shit up the thread. What I will say though is psychosis and dissociative related symptoms are really different. People with legitimate DID don't believe they are actually multiple people or animals etc, even Chloe has said so in her own content. They have fragmented parts that the brain has processed into the form of alters to deal with severe trauma, dissociated away from the fact the trauma has happened to the person directly and developed by the mind of a child, meaning a lot of it is very much rooted in semi-fantastical logic which can lead to non-human alters.

Child alters are something that are seen in the majority of cases of DID. I'll need to find a source on that, but I remember reading somewhere that most sufferers have at least one child-like alter, I assume because that part split off when the original trauma happened, but some people's alters seem to age up with the rest of the body whilst others stay stuck at that age. Again, there is probably a psychological reason for that, but I haven't read enough into it to know why personally yet.

OP has provided enough research on the lolcow and included some law stuff. Did you see how long that OP was? Almost as long as your responses.
 
Alright time for some britbong input to help clear up some things up for you ladies and gents, firstly...
but it essentially rambles about how the NHS has long waiting lists and with private treatment you can get a diagnosis much faster
This is generally true, the NHS is under an ungodly ammount of strain lately, this is due to a lot of wider social issues, immigration, and poor mental health services and an aging popualtion and not enough funding to name just a few. But going private is generally the way to go if you need treatment for something post haste.
The source below claims to have gone to the same university and disputes Chloe's claims that the university expelled her following a mental health crisis
As you previously stated the equality acts do protect the mentally ill from discrimation and as a university student myself I can tell you that I have never known people who suffer from mental illness to have ever been expelled. If anything even people with minor problems like anxiety get some pretty generous treatment like extensions and what have you. If she got expelled she must have really, really and I mean really fucked up. I've only ever known people get expelled for sexual misconduct/ racism type stuff.

If anyone has anymore questions please do ask, and also good work OP, you really put the effort in with this one.
 
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Alright time for some britbong input to help clear up some thing for you ladies and gents, firstly...

This is generally true, the NHS is under an ungodly ammount of strain lately, this is due to a lot of wider social issues, immigration, and poor mental health services and an aging popualtion and not enough funding to name just a few. But going private is generally the way to go if you need treatment for something post haste.

As you previously stated the equality acts do protect the mentally ill from discrimation and as a university student myself I can tell you that I have never known people who suffer from mental illness to have ever been expelled. If anything even people with minor problems like anxiety get some pretty generous treatment like extensions and what have you. If she got expelled she must have really, really and I mean really fucked up. I've only ever known people get expelled for sexual misconduct/ racism type stuff.

If anyone has anymore questions please do ask, and also good work OP, you really put the effort in with this one.

Thanks for the input! I was fairly certain you had some robust discrimination laws in place so it's interesting to hear they hold up in practice. I honestly doubt she was ever expelled in the first place.

The article posted when she was trying to raise money described her as a current student taking a break from her studies rather than a former student. That was posted in the student newspaper at her university. I can't see the student newspaper getting permission to post about a student who was in the process of getting expelled and I can't see why she would approach the university for help if they were causing her so much stress she made four attempts on her life.
Either way, she raised £1000 from that fundraiser and presumably used that money to get her diagnosis privately. She claimed that the fundraiser would help her get treatment so she could return to her studies. Seems like the door to return was open but she made the choice not to return.

I think she saw the opportunity to build her ebegging empire and took it. She started using the DissociaDID name like a brand outside of her channel in the earliest days when she had only a handful of subs; she was signing off as DissociaDID on her second fundraiser for example. I think she probably did have some sort of break down and took a break from her studies but ultimately decided to drop out and pursue YouTube instead. But claiming she was discriminated against and expelled is a better angle for sympathy.

That, or she was expelled for something that was her own fault.
 
Nope don't know her at all. I'm defending her because from a psychiatric standpoint her symptoms check out,

No they fucking don't and people already explained why, which you handwaved with "lol it's just clickbait bro"

I'm gonna say what I said earlier in that if people want to get into the validity of the disorder as a whole in happy to debate over DM as to not shit up the thread.

too late, shut up already you're obviously caping for this weirdo even if you won't admit it
 
I'm glad there's been a thread made on her. Watched some of her videos this week and it's obvious when she switches she's acting. Surprised it took so long as she's encouraging others to do the same. There's a whole faux DID community on tiktok and one that made me laugh was someone named their alter-ego Eridan from homestuck.
 
The article posted when she was trying to raise money described her as a current student taking a break from her studies rather than a former student. That was posted in the student newspaper at her university. I can't see the student newspaper getting permission to post about a student who was in the process of getting expelled and I can't see why she would approach the university for help if they were causing her so much stress she made four attempts on her life.
Now that is very intresting, again i'd like to stress that this is now just speculation, but if she had been kicked out the university would have likely wanted to keep that under wraps. There was a pretty high profile case that broke into the media at my univeristy a few years ago and that was PR nightmare for the insitution. If she had been kicked out for mental health related issues they wouldnt mention that in the uni paper.

Personally I agree with your assessment of her situation, shes seems to come from those tumblr circles that found mental illness as a trendy thing to use as another community to be part of.

I'm glad there's been a thread made on her. Watched some of her videos this week and it's obvious when she switches she's acting. Surprised it took so long as she's encouraging others to do the same. There's a whole faux DID community on tiktok and one that made me laugh was someone named their alter-ego Eridan from homestuck.
Seems to me like this phenomea is headmates 2.0 just more visual since they're making videos of it now.
 
I'm glad there's been a thread made on her. Watched some of her videos this week and it's obvious when she switches she's acting. Surprised it took so long as she's encouraging others to do the same. There's a whole faux DID community on tiktok and one that made me laugh was someone named their alter-ego Eridan from homestuck.

Chloe's actually covered fictional characters like this.

The comments are a clusterfuck of Harley Quinns and Steven Universe characters roleplaying until Chloe comes to pat them on the back.
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Now that is very intresting, again i'd like to stress that this is now just speculation, but if she had been kicked out the university would have likely wanted to keep that under wraps. There was a pretty high profile case that broke into the media at my univeristy a few years ago and that was PR nightmare for the insitution. If she had been kicked out for mental health related issues they wouldnt mention that in the uni paper.

Personally I agree with your assessment of her situation, shes seems to come from those tumblr circles that found mental illness as a trendy thing to use as another community to be part of.


Seems to me like this phenomea is headmates 2.0 just more visual since they're making videos of it now.

Would there be a case for a lawsuit in Chloe's case if her story was true? With a large platform behind her now surely she could get some kind of compo if she kicked up enough of a fuss about what they'd done. Wonder if the university would comment? Doubtful with data protection these days but an interesting thought.
 
No they fucking don't and people already explained why, which you handwaved with "lol it's just clickbait bro"



too late, shut up already you're obviously caping for this weirdo even if you won't admit it
i didn't wave it completely, i suggested it as a reason and I could easily be wrong. Not every single video she makes has a switch in it, most do not.

Considering how many times I've also said I'm very much willing to change my mind on this, I;m not just 'caping' for her. I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on why or why not I believe her, I've said it multiple times now. Maybe im just too optimistic in that all we see from this girl is her youtube channel, idk what she's like off camera. All I can say is she is obsessed with making sure everyone feels 'valid', thus unwilling to be like "no thats fucking bullshit" when people are saying "well x character is my fictive." Many other DID community figures have been semi-cancelled by the retards spouting about natural plurality and headmates for attempting to hold DID events specifically for those who have experienced trauma, and for stating DID can not develop without trauma before the age of 7-9. Chloe has been semi vocal in her support of these events (stating it's not possible to have DID if you haven't experienced trauma before age 9 in many videos for example), but keeps quiet when people start shitting on people for being ableist or whatever. That is one thing I really dislike about her content, I appreciate wanting people to feel accepted and included but not making a stand on excluding people who are pushing bullshit in the community is only going to make for more stigma against the condition and other people trying to get diagnosed with mental health in a wider sense. I'm not some kind of blind fangirl like you folks might think and, again as I said previously, I don't even watch all of the girl's content, only the stuff actually about psychiatry and theoretical shit as, when I first watched her content, it was relevant to my studies.

I gave my advice to OP on how to improve the thread, separate from my own views on if it's even worthy of being a topic. Word it a bit better and it will be good, in my first post I literally praised OP for the detail. Can't remember what video she mentioned it in, but she gave the actual name of the consultant that diagnosed her. It was recent, that all I remember. Maybe it would be worth adding that into the OP and researching if they're quack or not. Faking DID long term is not easy, if she's munching she will trip up a lot more over time. I would keep track of things related to amnesia as that's the biggest hallmark of the condition, but keep in mind the concept of co-consciousness parts in the brain is a documented and accepted part of the condition. She is active on twitter, so I would consider looking through there for any more evidence, especially with her interactions with other system related social media accounts. Seeing how others interact with her could give an idea on if her bullshitting is a widely held view in the community or not (for example, Autumn Asphodel or whatever her name was, was called out for faking years back and most in the circles have at least heard of her bullshit).
 
i didn't wave it completely, i suggested it as a reason and I could easily be wrong. Not every single video she makes has a switch in it, most do not.

Considering how many times I've also said I'm very much willing to change my mind on this, I;m not just 'caping' for her. I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on why or why not I believe her, I've said it multiple times now. Maybe im just too optimistic in that all we see from this girl is her youtube channel, idk what she's like off camera. All I can say is she is obsessed with making sure everyone feels 'valid', thus unwilling to be like "no thats fucking bullshit" when people are saying "well x character is my fictive." Many other DID community figures have been semi-cancelled by the exceptional individuals spouting about natural plurality and headmates for attempting to hold DID events specifically for those who have experienced trauma, and for stating DID can not develop without trauma before the age of 7-9. Chloe has been semi vocal in her support of these events (stating it's not possible to have DID if you haven't experienced trauma before age 9 in many videos for example), but keeps quiet when people start shitting on people for being ableist or whatever. That is one thing I really dislike about her content, I appreciate wanting people to feel accepted and included but not making a stand on excluding people who are pushing bullshit in the community is only going to make for more stigma against the condition and other people trying to get diagnosed with mental health in a wider sense. I'm not some kind of blind fangirl like you folks might think and, again as I said previously, I don't even watch all of the girl's content, only the stuff actually about psychiatry and theoretical shit as, when I first watched her content, it was relevant to my studies.

I gave my advice to OP on how to improve the thread, separate from my own views on if it's even worthy of being a topic. Word it a bit better and it will be good, in my first post I literally praised OP for the detail. Can't remember what video she mentioned it in, but she gave the actual name of the consultant that diagnosed her. It was recent, that all I remember. Maybe it would be worth adding that into the OP and researching if they're quack or not. Faking DID long term is not easy, if she's munching she will trip up a lot more over time. I would keep track of things related to amnesia as that's the biggest hallmark of the condition, but keep in mind the concept of co-consciousness parts in the brain is a documented and accepted part of the condition. She is active on twitter, so I would consider looking through there for any more evidence, especially with her interactions with other system related social media accounts. Seeing how others interact with her could give an idea on if her bullshitting is a widely held view in the community or not (for example, Autumn Asphodel or whatever her name was, was called out for faking years back and most in the circles have at least heard of her bullshit).

You say you’re not going to restate what you said and you just did. If you don’t want to clog up the thread then stop talking.
 
i didn't wave it completely, i suggested it as a reason and I could easily be wrong. Not every single video she makes has a switch in it, most do not.

Considering how many times I've also said I'm very much willing to change my mind on this, I;m not just 'caping' for her. I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on why or why not I believe her, I've said it multiple times now. Maybe im just too optimistic in that all we see from this girl is her youtube channel, idk what she's like off camera. All I can say is she is obsessed with making sure everyone feels 'valid', thus unwilling to be like "no thats fucking bullshit" when people are saying "well x character is my fictive." Many other DID community figures have been semi-cancelled by the exceptional individuals spouting about natural plurality and headmates for attempting to hold DID events specifically for those who have experienced trauma, and for stating DID can not develop without trauma before the age of 7-9. Chloe has been semi vocal in her support of these events (stating it's not possible to have DID if you haven't experienced trauma before age 9 in many videos for example), but keeps quiet when people start shitting on people for being ableist or whatever. That is one thing I really dislike about her content, I appreciate wanting people to feel accepted and included but not making a stand on excluding people who are pushing bullshit in the community is only going to make for more stigma against the condition and other people trying to get diagnosed with mental health in a wider sense. I'm not some kind of blind fangirl like you folks might think and, again as I said previously, I don't even watch all of the girl's content, only the stuff actually about psychiatry and theoretical shit as, when I first watched her content, it was relevant to my studies.

I gave my advice to OP on how to improve the thread, separate from my own views on if it's even worthy of being a topic. Word it a bit better and it will be good, in my first post I literally praised OP for the detail. Can't remember what video she mentioned it in, but she gave the actual name of the consultant that diagnosed her. It was recent, that all I remember. Maybe it would be worth adding that into the OP and researching if they're quack or not. Faking DID long term is not easy, if she's munching she will trip up a lot more over time. I would keep track of things related to amnesia as that's the biggest hallmark of the condition, but keep in mind the concept of co-consciousness parts in the brain is a documented and accepted part of the condition. She is active on twitter, so I would consider looking through there for any more evidence, especially with her interactions with other system related social media accounts. Seeing how others interact with her could give an idea on if her bullshitting is a widely held view in the community or not (for example, Autumn Asphodel or whatever her name was, was called out for faking years back and most in the circles have at least heard of her bullshit).

In my opinion you have got to be pretty naive not to see through her claims (plus you’re armchairing pretty hard on her behalf) which leads me to assume you may not be thinking with your head. Is it that you want to bone this girl? If that is the case I have some questions.

A) Which personality/personalities would you like to bone the most?

B) Would it turn you on if she “switched” halfway through, maybe to an angrier personality towards the end?
 
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