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Apologies of this was already posted but looks like some Aussies are claiming that they found a "Cure" for the disease...

‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

m.themorningbulletin.com.au

‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia


by Sarah McPhee

16th Mar 2020 3:49 PM | Updated: 17th Mar 2020 9:37 AM












A team of Australian researchers say they've found a cure for the novel coronavirus and hope to have patients enrolled in a nationwide trial by the end of the month.

University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research director Professor David Paterson told news.com.au today they have seen two drugs used to treat other conditions can wipe out the virus in test tubes.

He said one of the medications, given to some of the first people to test positive for COVID-19 in Australia, had already resulted in "disappearance of the virus" and complete recovery from the infection.

Professor David Paterson, director of the University of Queensland Centre for Clinical Research and infectious disease physician at the RBWH. Picture: Supplied




Prof Paterson said positive experiences in the fight against coronavirus have already been recorded overseas, citing China and Singapore. His research team are confident they can start getting the drugs to patients in a very safe way on home soil.


"We want to give Australians the absolute best treatment rather than just someone's guesses or someone's anecdotal experiences from a few people," Prof Paterson told news.com.au.


He said they hope to be enrolling patients by the end of March.


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"And that way, if we can test it in this first wave of patients, we do fully expect that there are going to be ongoing infections for months and months ahead, and therefore we'll have the best possible information to treat subsequent patients," Prof Paterson said.


"That's really our aim, to get real world experience in Australia."


He said the trouble with the data coming from China was that it wasn't really gathered "in a very controlled way", given they were the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak at the time.


"Things were just chaotic," Prof Paterson said.


"There were these emergency hospitals being built and the system really being very, very stretched."


One of the two medications is a HIV drug, which has been superseded by "newer generation" HIV drugs, and the other is an anti-malaria drug called chloroquine which is rarely used and "kept on the shelf now" due to resistance to malaria.


He said the researchers want to study them in a "very meaningful way" against the coronavirus to "try and alleviate that anxiety of Australians".


"There have already been patients treated with these in Australia and there's been successful outcomes but it hasn't been done in a controlled or a comparative way," Prof Paterson said.
The drugs would be given orally, as tablets.


Prof Paterson said patients would be asked to participate "as soon as they're admitted" to hospital with the aim of beginning treatment "very early on in their illness".


He said the research was sparked by Chinese patients, who were first given the drug in Australia, showing their doctors information on the internet about the treatment used overseas.


"Our doctors were very, very surprised that a HIV drug could actually work against the novel coronavirus and there was a bit of scepticism," he said.


"That first wave of Chinese patients we had (in Australia), they all did very, very well when they were treated with the HIV drug.


"That's reassuring … that we're onto something really good here."


The RBWH Foundation has established a Coronavirus Action Fund. By Monday afternoon it had raised $30,000 of the desired $750,000 for the clinical drug trials and other related medical research.


"The trials will start as soon as funding is secured," the fund states.


When asked why they had to put a call out money, Prof Paterson said they "want to give as many people in Australia access to this" and can't take doctors away from their normal work.


"The reality is that doctors are going to need to be concentrating on their patients and we need to get a very strong research team across Australia that can make sure that all the Is are dotted and the Ts are crossed and make sure that it is a really high-quality study so that we can be really confident in the results," he said.


"We did this with bushfires, this is an example where we're reaching out to the public to put the financial support behind the study so it can get underway.


"Fifty hospitals have expressed interest in participating and we expect there may even be more to come."

 

[MechanicusAdmin]

@Null, how much is a Nurgle icon for this thread going to cost me/us?
Actually, I would like a Nurgle sticker too for foul posts.

 

[LordofTendons]

The hookers is done ruined, mein fuhrer! LAWDY wut we gawn do now!

Sex workers face ruin amid virus fears, brothel closures

Sex for sale has long been a staple part of Berlin's freewheeling nightlife, but amid concerns over the new coronavirus even the world's supposedly oldest profession is being hit by a sudden slump

abcnews.go.com

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archived 17 Mar 2020 08:31:19 UTC

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[AltisticRight]

Lol Chinanet getting so triggered at Trump's tweet.
"It's ok if we make theories about the virus coming out of some military base in Texas, if you want to do the same, you must be a scientist, are you a scientist? And orange man is bad, he's using a platform we don't have access to and saying shit we don't like".

This is fun to watch.

 

[ZMOT]

You mean the unnaturally long flu season caused by unseasonably warm weather in some of the most inhabited regions of the US (the Eastern Corridor has had like 4 days of below 40 temps or some shit like that)? That flu season that's STILL FUCKING GOING BY THE WAY?

It's almost like being using an unusually long flu year as your comparison to this virus that hasn't even gotten done with its spread yet or something is dishonest or something.

yeah, about that...
The number of hospitalizations estimated so far this season is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates.
(while hospitalizations doesn't mean deaths, it's still not the worst season).

again, that is the usa alone, meaning vaccines, prepared hospitals and personnel. but sure, no one outside the usa died of the flu in that timeframe in poorer regions with worse healthcare. or how the flu affects all ages instead of hitting mainly the old and people with preexisting condition. and of course, it's just the flu, right? people will just shrug off a type A infection.

and don't take it personally, but you suck at math. if flu deaths are already in the thousands and the season isn't even over yet (considered to end in may) you know that means that number will go up, right? the only thing dishonest about this comparison is that the flu is a known virus with working vaccines and without hysteria, else the number would be a lot higher. plus the globe isn't going into another chinese new year with mass gatherings to make the political party look good, I bet you a stack of TP that corona won't hit flu numbers.

point is, flu alone kills a fuckton of people every year, but no one cares. if you'd shine the same spotlight on the flu as everyone does now with corona, it would look way scarier. that doesn't mean you should go around licking doorknobs, but being aware there's worse shit out there and always has been goes a long way.

I don't know there seem to be two camps, one side saying fuck this shit its not lethal enough to warrant closures and shutdowns and the other camp saying we should and must shut everything down.

Camp one are the risk takers really wanting to roll the dice on increasing the chance of unfavorable mutations happening and camp two doesn't really have a plan other then hunker down and hope the virus goes away.

the problem is people are hardly ever rational, and when was the last real health scare? there's plenty of stuff going around but no one really gives a crap until they go "oh shit, what?" and flip 180 degrees emptying store shelves and demand the government to put everybody on house arrest.
a lot can be mitigated on an individual level and being aware how it affects others, like stop coughing in my neck or don't sneeze into your hand and touch stuff afterwards. but since that doesn't happen you might as well stay at home, even when the virus isn't roaming the skies waiting to strike.

 

[weegrumpy]

 

[Adamska]

yeah, about that...
The number of hospitalizations estimated so far this season is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates.
(while hospitalizations doesn't mean deaths, it's still not the worst season).

again, that is the usa alone, meaning vaccines, prepared hospitals and personnel. but sure, no one outside the usa died of the flu in that timeframe in poorer regions with worse healthcare. or how the flu affects all ages instead of hitting mainly the old and people with preexisting condition. and of course, it's just the flu, right? people will just shrug off a type A infection.

and don't take it personally, but you suck at math. if flu deaths are already in the thousands and the season isn't even over yet (considered to end in may) you know that means that number will go up, right? the only thing dishonest about this comparison is that the flu is a known virus with working vaccines and without hysteria, else the number would be a lot higher. plus the globe isn't going into another chinese new year with mass gatherings to make the political party look good, I bet you a stack of TP that corona won't hit flu numbers.

point is, flu alone kills a fuckton of people every year, but no one cares. if you'd shine the same spotlight on the flu as everyone does now with corona, it would look way scarier. that doesn't mean you should go around licking doorknobs, but being aware there's worse shit out there and always has been goes a long way.

It probably won't just because of the tard panicking in general yeah, the spread in the US ain't really there due to it. I'm just highlighting that pound per pound and depending on spread it'd kill more dudes than flu. Also I still would use an average year over this one because of the season being longer than normal, meaning flu had more days to spread more often.

I'm legit not that panicked beyond maybe getting worried if I catch it I spread it to my far more vulnerable family members given they've caught both fucking flus (gotta love catching BOTH of the rarer strains amirite?) I caught this year despite my best efforts to not be near them. I ain't no doomer on this one.

 

[Barnard]

Apologies of this was already posted but looks like some Aussies are claiming that they found a "Cure" for the disease...

‘Cure’ found for coronavirus in Australia

Some patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Australia have already been treated with one of the drugs and “all did very, very well,” researchers say.

m.themorningbulletin.com.au

Yeah, reports like that are coming in from multiple places. The old woman mentioned in my post above was given the exact same drugs.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

How awful a newborn baby in London has tested positive.
Poor kid, welcome to the world kid, you get to have Corona Virus!
I wonder how in the fuck did this happen I thought children weren't very susceptible.

A lot of people, especially kids, can test positive for this without experiencing any symptoms. Kids, unless they have underlying and serious health conditions, act more as carriers of the virus than victims of it.

Better not pass that baby along to grandma or grandpa. Given that the baby doesn't experience symptoms (please dear God, let that baby be OK), for now it would be more dangerous for anyone to be holding him/her.

Regardless, what a horrible way to come into the world. Poor baby ...

 

[Male Idiot]

Italians ARE white. They are "Southern European." Folks need to gain a basic understanding of "western civilization."

If Italians are not white, then what is/was ancient Rome? Who were the Romans? Then we can assume the Vatican is also run by a bunch of jigaboos? You are going to tell me that Michelangelo was also a person of color. Was the Mona Lisa a local mulatta or something?

The ignorance is appaling.

Do not blame me, I am just reporting.

The local feeling is that slavs are white, italians, spaniards, greeks and turks and mexicans and gypsies are not.
It is a simple skincolour chart, paler the better. There is no big philosophy behind it like Hitler's full autism charts.

Plus eastern europeans are not that big on greco roman culture because it was not Christian enough and was too homophilic.

Again, this is just the local belief. I am not trying to pass it on as a fact.

I think darker skin is seen as undesirable since gypsies have it. Thus all darker skinned people have their rep ruined by the gypsies.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

The same exceptional modelling that saw uk gov slaughtering tens of thousands of healthy chickens because they decided that salmonella was coming from eggs rather than from environmental contamination, and later saw them slaughtering tens of thousands of healthy cattle because they didn't want to bother testing for BSE and decided to just kill everything with cow horns.

So, let's go through these two in particular because... you don't seem to know what's what on both of those situations.

The first was the 1988 scare of Salmonella relating to eggs. This came off of the back of comments made by Edwina Currie, who was then Junior Health Minister in the Thatcher Government. She made these comments without sanction from the cabinet or UK Government at all, and the end result was a 70% collapse in the sale of eggs. Which meant that thousands of birds were unsustainable for a number of farmers and they reduced their flocks accordingly. No slaughter was mandated from the UK Government.

For her remarks, Currie would be sacked, ending her political career and would not return to government.

And despite all this, Fuckers continue to be lazy despite knowing that a panic can lead to ruining their business.

Now, let's talk about BSE.

Want to know how long asymptomatic cases of BSE is?

Four to five years.

Meaning it could be pretty much bet dollars to donuts if it appears in one cow the whole herd would be infected. They don't come to the conclusion of "slaughter everything" lightly believe it or not. It was simply the best route to take due to the fact that if it does test positive the whole herd was more likely to be infected than not.

There is no "herd immunity" on that one, and BSE itself is near fatal if left both unchecked and to be consumed by people.

But, no, sure, blame the government.

UK gov's response to this has been exceptional from day one. The best way to attempt to initially contain a novel infection is to quarantine known infected, trace contacts and quarantine those as well. Given the information that was available at the time, this is what the government should have been doing around mid january. They didn't even try. They ignored it. They continued to ignore until the beginning of this month, and then panicked into measures that will be utterly ineffectual in their stated goal. Herd immunity is not something that can be created by allowing a disease to spread at a reduced but otherwise uncontrolled rate within a population: what you induce in that circumstance is an endemic infection that periodically explodes to epidemic levels, much as the black plague used to do, or that any of the big diseases used to do prior to the implementation of widespread vaccination.

They aren't unique in this, I suppose, but the belief that you can "flatten the curve" by "delaying" infection is bullshit. Flattening the growth of a pandemic requires either early intervention to isolate known cases and their contacts or, in the case that this isn't adequate, invasive quarantine measures against infected population clusters, coupled with intensive sterlisation and decontamination measures in areas where infection has been recorded. What we're getting is vague half-measures, inedequate information and the begginings of mushroom treatment - kept in the dark and fed shit for the duration.

Except this is what we did with Swine Flu, which resulted in a 0.026% death rate. This one is going to be much higher and they are preparing the public for the worst by being honest about it. Herd immunity and protecting the most vulnerable is the better route to take than that of the Chinks, which was lie to everyone and fucking weld shut apartment blocks. Now they strut around expecting everyone to say "thank you" to the bastards for unleashing this thing in the first place.

The UK showed no cases of COVID-19 until the 31st of January, (They were on the look out for it, why the fuck do you think we know it was there?) which resulted in the UK Government properly following the very proceedures you outline. They kept an eye out, they traced people who came in contact and tested them and deep cleaned the place they'd been found to have been staying. Some of us look into what the government's been doing, rather than relying on the MSM to spoonfeed us bullshit.

They've been doing this since the back end of january when several large groups of tourists from Wuhan toured the UK. A number of whom were isolated, and people traced and also tested.

We began quarantining people who'd been from China and Hubei province in particular from late January and have progressively pushed that to wider and wider nations as they get hit with coronachan harder.

There has been no "panic into a plan that won't work". You cannot magic up random plans within days or you wind up with the stupidity of locking down a whole nation like Italy has done and look how fucking effective that's been.

The UK Gov's plan is measured and sensible and it's only the media that is stirring up this frenzy

It's not our fucking fault you left it till the MSM has to scream it from the rooftops and encourage panic that you join the party, know jack shit and then go "Oh they did nothing because they didn't weld my granny into her house like those nice chinks did to theres."

Ummm? Wow! That’s just... wow! See while “Herd Immunity” is technically a valid option, and one that is going to naturally occur, telling people that’s the option you are going with as a matter of national policy would seem to be an incredibly stupid thing to do. Because if you guess wrong on your national health care systems ability to absorb the load while the herd develops immunity, you end up as Italy or Iran. That’s what “do nothing and let it work it’s way out naturally” looks like. And they’re in the more southern warmer climates, where it will work itself out naturally sooner. Whereas the Netherlands are fucked.

I suspect the address is more nuanced than the tweet. They're following the UK's gameplan, the vulnerable should socially distance themselves, household isolation etc etc.

 

[pairaducks]

So if this gets bad enough you guys think it'll throw off the whole "longest period of peace" we've got going on in our world today?

 

[ZMOT]

It probably won't just because of the tard panicking in general yeah, the spread in the US ain't really there due to it. I'm just highlighting that pound per pound and depending on spread it'd kill more dudes than flu. Also I still would use an average year over this one because of the season being longer than normal, meaning flu had more days to spread more often.

I'm legit not that panicked beyond maybe getting worried if I catch it I spread it to my far more vulnerable family members given they've caught both fucking flus (gotta love catching BOTH of the rarer strains amirite?) I caught this year despite my best efforts to not be near them. I ain't no doomer on this one.

true, but if you look who actually died so far it's mostly old people, even kids seem to be fine. the same agegroup is high-risk for flu too (and almost anything really), so you'd expect people to be at least aware of that but no one really seem to care about reducing exposure and transmission. "just get a vaccine bro!".
we also have to wait and see if corona-chan is here to stay and make it a regular occurrence.

I'm not panicked either, but some stuff is clearly overblown. going full hikki for a while is only logical since catching anything at all is gonna suck right now, especially when you need a doctor or have to go to a hospital. and even when you're fully aware of stuff doesn't mean you won't rub your eyes instinctively at the wrong moment or something. so better safe than sorry.

 

[Niggernerd]

So if this gets bad enough you guys think it'll throw off the whole "longest period of peace" we've got going on in our world today?

Given how hard Iran was hit. At least we can avoid a war with sand niggęrs

 

[cuddle striker]

yes it's children of the cornvirus. few kids even get sick. cancer kids just die. children are carriers.

yes we are working regardless of exposure, healthy/sick. medical staff are already dealing with the worried well on top of the actually sick. dead bodies, as far as we know - still contagious fluids.

my second job is closed for the duration as is every unnecessary place. I finally had a minute to come on here which is nice.

people, wear a mask. stay in. if you get sick anywhere but Seattle/a few other cities, try to get well at home. Stay at home unless you've got real trouble breathing.

Tylenol, Mucinex (expectorant). isolate.

we need about two months of real separation/quarantine if we want this to slow down. 3% give or take, of healthy people die with this- higher if you're already ill or older.

If libertarian ideals had any validity, people would be in isolation already to protect others. the fact that they've got to be forced to give a shit about even their own relatives really blows that "voluntary" shit off the table.

if Obama was talking about curfews and restrictions people would be losing their minds. Nothing is surprising to me right now.

Good luck.

 

[Shitpiss Babylord]

and between october and march the flu killed between 22 thousand and 55 thousand people in the usa alone (and that's a low estimate). what was your point again?

Flu is currently killing around 440 (high end) people a week in the USA, a nation of some 327 million people, compared, again, to 349 a day in Italy, (edit: 349 for COVID-19) a nation of some 60 million people.

 

[cuddle striker]

Flu is currently killing around 440 (high end) people a week in the USA, a nation of some 327 million people, compared, again, to 349 a day in Italy, a nation of some 60 million people.

we're not testing deaths here (for covid19). they are.
flu is higher when people don't vaccinate.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

So if this gets bad enough you guys think it'll throw off the whole "longest period of peace" we've got going on in our world today?

The problem will come about with the return of economic nationalism. Fucking up the supply chains by not having a decent healthcare system like china has done is going to make a lot of governments and companies look at "reinforcing" their supply chains. This could mean more South East Asian states will see rapid industrialisation but more likely with pressure from government we will see a reonshoring of industry.

Within the decade you'll see either a EU based conglomerate being formed and the UK will see it encouraging and keeping in the UK various industries such as mask making, reinforcing the supply line for the ventilator makers, etc.

We won't see autarky (aside from Iran, because... Iran) but we will see a rebalancing of the global economy and the hopeful return of jobs and job opportunities to places that got abandoned because of the Globalists.

It's now rather untrendy to be a globalist in the UK and numerous Tory MPs (already reinforced by Red Wall Tories who want to keep their new voter base) are swapping from being Global Free Traders to Economic Nationalists.

Couple it with Trump's own ideological leanings of wanting american industry to return and we've got a recipe that is a disaster for China. We could see a war in the South China Sea before too long as CCP power begins to crumble and a good war always shores up the government as we've seen time and time again.

 

[AltisticRight]

All the Chinese I'm in contact with that work/live in Sydney have been taking advice and staying home for 2 weeks before going back to work. A far relative of mine even did this when she returned on the 15th of January, the virus was hardly known to the wider normies back then.

I personally think anyone who's returning to the country should stay home for 2 weeks. It's the responsible thing to do.

The main symptom is dry coughing and rough breathing. Everything else is likely a flute. Due to the rapid weather changes, many have simply caught an annoying cold. Sneezing and lots of gunk in the throat/nose means chances are, you don't have the virus, just a cold.

I'm glad I have 5 litres of isopropyl alcohol, I use it mainly for cleaning stuff. This shit is now impossible to get somehow.

As for Trump's tweet and a hot take? I don't have one. I don't feel targeted nor am I responsible for anything. As a bystander, I can say the optics might be off, but it's hilarious to see people across the political isle getting so triggered. Many will argue about the origin currently being "unknown" or whatever, I can really care less. Chinanet loves to get triggered, but it's ok to them when they make up all kinds of theories to pin the virus on the USA. Spergs on both sides of the globe should just get on an island and fuck already. Airdrop coronachan and use them as test objects for all I care. People want to call this racist or xenophobic or whatever blah, I can't be bothered to give two fucks. Chances are, the epidemic in Australia is brought in by international students. I'd sympathise with "my people" more if they had any degree of dignity, such as just straight up admitting to having double standards.

When people bring up double standards, it's almost always coming from those guilty of using it to begin with. They are trying to imply that humans are 100% rational, perfect, free from tribalism and prejudice. This is never ever the case.

If anyone's unaware, some, SOME Chinese international students used some kind of trickery to get into Australia when the virus was blowing up. It's simple, all they did was travel to places like Thailand first, stay there for a couple days, then travel to Australia. The ones that have symptoms can just use fever suppressants. Chinanet did try to dox some of these people and try to contact immigration because the stupid fucks post their plans on wechat, but our politicians didn't do fucking shit. We're on a fucking island, shit like this could have totally been squashed if the leadership is strong. From the out of hand wildfires, to this, it seems like most countries need a violent revolution at this point because the state is filled with weaklings and the opposition are snakes.

Oh we can't shut down the borders, that will be racist and think about the economy! I'm not even going to be the one that suggests shutting down borders. Why should China or Australia or anyone economically punish themselves like this and expect any other country to be thankful and help? Not going to happen, no "olive branch" will be extended. How about profiling those that come in and quarantine them if they come from high risk areas? Australia is pretty much number one when it comes to border customs, drug testing, and speed cameras. Use all that tech!

That's enough for today, I'm going to keep myself busy with personal projects I've yet to finish.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Italians ARE white.