Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Shield Breaker]

So one of my sister-in-laws has the flu. Doctors assured her it was the regular flu, but I don't know.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Just because those things occurred doesn't mean they are right. Just because Lincoln suspended the first amendment to arrest sympathizers in some cases simple critics, doesn't mean we should.

Dude, it was explicitly ruled by SCOTUS as wrong, but Lincoln gave no fucks. He did it anyway and in retrospect he made the right call. This is absolutely terra incognita. The world, let alone the US, has never faced a pandemic on this scale with such horrible prospects while the country that let it loose upon the world is directly threatening to withhold lifesaving medicines and parts necessary for ventilators. As of tonight, Manhattan has 3 million residents, about 500 confirmed bat flu patients, thousands verified infected and has effectively shut down. It is astounding.

Sometimes you have to bend the rules. I think this is one of those rare situations that justifies it.

 

[Ciscoipphone]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/california-man-who-recently-visited-disney-world-dies-of-coronavirus/

Just came back from Disney World. Wish me luck guys

 

[Non-Expert!]

That poor family.....

So the oldest victim is presumably in her 70s. The 55 year old dying so quickly indicates either a compromised immune system or an underlying condition. With several siblings also dead already, I can only guess from the picture that diabetes may run in the family, ethnic italian so perhaps a history of smoking as well? OR just a REALLY bad bit of luck in regards to the family's immune system.

Can't speculate. I think that you are being optimistic. Maybe there is a hereditary suseptability problem, that epidemiologists are researching ... comparative studies ... data is being processed?

But this is all new.

At this point, I am begin to get concerned about the mortuary, crematory, burial, cemetery, forensic pathology, bodies in freezers ... dimension.

Like cremation is more time consuming and expensive and bulky, than we realize.

 

[Arctic Fox]

Dude, it was explicitly ruled by SCOTUS as wrong, but Lincoln gave no fucks. He did it anyway and in retrospect he made the right call. This is absolutely terra incognita. The world, let alone the US, has never faced a pandemic on this scale with such horrible prospects while the country that let it loose upon the world is directly threatening to withhold lifesaving medicines and parts necessary for ventilators. As of tonight, Manhattan has 3 million residents, about 500 confirmed bat flu patients, thousands verified infected and has effectively shut down. It is astounding.

Sometimes you have to bend the rules. I think this is one of those rare situations that justifies it.

And when this draconian measure is used to stomp out free speech of actual critics who point out the governments fuck ups in this situation, will it still be justified? Worth it?

 

[JosephStalin]

The Chinese desire to eat bats stems from them having a lot of money. They eat delicacies to improve their sex lives.

This virus didn't come from bats. Came from the Wuhan Biological Warfare facility.

Need to reiterate something. Spent over three years in Korea, two different occasions, mid-70s to early 80s, when Korea was still somewhat rough. Lived downtown almost the entire time. Often went, just like the thousands of Americans at the adjacent US air base, to the downtown open-air/partially covered market. Not the cleanest place in the world. Sold all sorts of things to eat, including dogs. Bats, I don't know about. I just bought fruit and bottled soda. Worst thing I ever had from going to the market was a slight case of the shits the first time eating an Asian pear. Got over that, good to go.

If there had been any respiratory illnesses coming from that market, the base would have put it off-limits in a heartbeat. Didn't happen. These markets were all over Korea, and there were a lot of US bases in Korea at the time.

Going back to the root problems here, the CCP knew about the virus but said nothing. The CCP's been lying about this from the get-go. They actively repressed doctors pointing out concerns. Millions of people left Wuhan to go throughout the country for the Lunar New Year. Thousands and thousands of Chinese were allowed to travel overseas. The Chinese have no primary care system. Everyone goes to the hospital. We saw what happened. The CCP imposed draconian lockdown conditions on the residents of Wuhan, and am sure other places. The CCP says things are improving. Propaganda. Believe the true numbers of sick and dead are multiples of what the CCP claim.
The CCP has given the world the "gift" of the Chinese virus. In view of the havoc this virus has caused worldwide, once again say it isn't that much of a stretch to say the CCP has committed an act of war against the whole world.

Oh, please keep in mind the Chinese consider anyone who isn't Chinese to be a barbarian. The Chinese character for China means "middle". China is in the middle and the rest of the world doesn't count. Matter of fact, China used to be known as the "Middle Kingdom".

Short-term, the CCP has long since lost the propaganda war on this one. WAY too many video clips on the Internet that will never go away.

The CCP has shown us (a) the utter stupidity of putting so many manufacturing and supply eggs in one basket (b) the hazards inherent in "just-in-time" parts inventory when there is an overly long supply chain and (c) that China is not a great power, and under the CCP will never be a great power.

Long-term, believe the CCP will have problems. Foreign manufacturers will either leave China entirely or move most production out of the country. Foreign concerns will be looking for second sources of materials formerly from China, and/or rework their products to use little or none of certain Chinese materials. Chinese students may be kicked out of foreign colleges.

Having said all that, we're going to get through this. People are working together, sometimes grudgingly. But they are working together. We'll bitch, we'll complain, we may have to sacrifice some, but the USA is resilient.

Remember, do not take counsel of your fears. Just keep on keeping on. Be strong for those who need you and depend on you. You might be all they have. Take it one day at a time. Never quit. Never give up. I just keep on trucking. So should we all.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Just because those things occurred doesn't mean they are right. Just because Lincoln suspended the first amendment to arrest sympathizers in some cases simple critics, doesn't mean we should.

You've got to admit it'd be funny to see the look on Jim Acosta's face when he gets the Copperhead treatment.

 

[JosephStalin]

People may think you jest, but you're on the nose with that one.

Jenny Durkan, the dumb fuckin bint in charge of Seattle, spent the first chunk of her speech talking about injecting money into the arts community to make Seattle nice when this is all over.

Wish I could find the clip again, but yeah. Washington is a goddamn circus and the rodeo clowns run the show.

CA is no different and no better, sad to say.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Connor Reed: Coronavirus Survivor Shares What It’s Like to Have COVID-19

A survivor of the COVID-19 coronavirus, Connor Reed, speaks about it's like to have the virus.

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Thank you Connor Reed for the information.

This guy is very, very young.

It sounds like he survived ... with complications?

Any drs in the house?

Keep in mind that he was at the epicenter of all of this. Air quality also plays a factor in how this virus has affected people, and China is pretty notorious for their very poor air quality.

And pneumonia is notorious for causing lung scarring in any normal case as well. If you have any virus, and you come down with pneumonia, then the odds of your lungs sustaining damage regardless of age is likely.

 

[JosephStalin]

Ahh Finland....how it's more important to have a vagina than be capable to be a PM.

Not a thought between them.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

Can't speculate. I think that you are being optimistic. Maybe there is a hereditary suseptability problem, that epidemiologists are researching ... comparative studies ... data is being processed?

But this is all new.

At this point, I am begin to get concerned about the mortuary, crematory, burial, cemetery, forensic pathology, bodies in freezers ... dimension.

Like cremation is more time consuming and expensive and bulky, than we realize.

We ought to ask any remaining nazis how they burned up all those jews so fast,they must've had some great techniques.

 

[jje100010001]

I'm not talking about how we feel about China. I'm talking about actual official reasoning that would land someone aiding them in violation of the espionage act. Obviously China is a shitshow and is entirely responsible for this shit. But you are absolutely not going to get someone prosecuted for treason for arguing the opposite.

You don't think that China is being hostile when they are spreading the false information on the world stage that the United States is responsible for this? Really?

Also ... "Nuking Freedom of Speech." Dude. So it's just okay for the press to cover for Commie China by crying "muh racism" just because the Orange Man is Bad? You think it's okay for the press to call everyone who was concerned about COVID-19 months ago "waaaacist" only to put the entire nation on shit-spewing panic mode this past week? You think it's okay that the media distracted the American people from paying attention to this for months just to have them focus on a bullshit impeachment instead?

I'm not saying to silence the press, mind you, but I am saying that their shit needs to be called out big time and that there should be some backlash and consequences for the shit that they continue to pull. Freedom of Speech does not entail any right or entitlement to their credibility.

And it's about damn time that our businesses and corporations tell China to fuck off. It's time to stop China's economic influence around the world. I'm not saying we need to go to war, but I am saying that it's about damn time to kick them in the coin purses. Hard.

It's a rather grey issue that the CCP's taken full advantage of- take for instance, China's reported numbers. The BBC reports that Italy's death count has passed China's. Innocuous, right?

Italy coronavirus death toll overtakes China

The number of deaths has risen to 3,405, which is more than in China where the virus originated.

www.bbc.co.uk

More likely than not, China's numbers are most likely heavily massaged given the crackdowns on independent whistleblowers/doctors, and will absolutely be weaponized against the US. Given their insistence at dissociating themselves from the pandemic and their attempts to project strength via medical diplomacy, there's no doubt that they're watching the US counts very closely. This is going to be a problem moving forward with most of the information coming out of China.

But the problem lies in that there's no other verified count to go with, so international news has to report their numbers, and normies will not question the numbers. How can this be combatted? You can't just tell the news to not report on China, nor can you tell them to assume that all news coming out of China is in bad-faith.

 

[Stoneheart]

I'm not saying to silence the press, mind you, but I am saying that their shit needs to be called out big time and that there should be some backlash and consequences for the shit that they continue to pull. Freedom of Speech does not entail any right or entitlement to their credibility.

That will not work, you need to round them up and shot them. they are all traitors sucking chinese dick.

The press will recover once the traitors are dead and the money streams from china paying them are cut.

Can we save this for the next time Bernie spergs about Big Pharma?

well Bayer is not just big pharma, they also make other stuff. some of it would be very usefull to use it against chinks.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Outside China:

161554 confirmed / 6629 dead / 14427 recovered

134819 / 5508 / 13558 yesterday

Iran:

18407 confirmed / 1284 dead / 5710 recovered

17361 / 1135 / 5389 yesterday

USA:

13678 confirmed / 200 dead / 108 recovered

7786 / 118 / 106 yesterday

Here we go, looks like deaths are starting to rack up in the US; Won't be much longer before we start shooting past the yearly flu death rate.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

And when this draconian measure is used to stomp out free speech of actual critics who point out the governments fuck ups in this situation, will it still be justified? Worth it?

I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, it definitely would happen. It's a risky gamble that I doubt Trump will take, but if things spiral out of control and you have mass graves, people dying in the streets and the country is going to be wrecked then he'd do it and whatever it takes to get the US going again.

Besides, there's no right to coof on people in Constitution.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Holy shit some of these possible side effects are horrifying.

Chloroquine: Indications, Side Effects, Warnings - Drugs.com

Easy-to-read patient leaflet for Chloroquine. Includes indications, proper use, special instructions, precautions, and possible side effects.

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Spoiler: Side effects

• Signs of an allergic reaction, like rash; hives; itching; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin with or without fever; wheezing; tightness in the chest or throat; trouble breathing, swallowing, or talking; unusual hoarseness; or swelling of the mouth, face, lips, tongue, or throat.
• Signs of liver problems like dark urine, feeling tired, not hungry, upset stomach or stomach pain, light-colored stools, throwing up, or yellow skin or eyes.
• Signs of low blood sugar like dizziness, headache, feeling sleepy, feeling weak, shaking, a fast heartbeat, confusion, hunger, or sweating.
• Trouble controlling body movements.
• Restlessness.
• Seizures.
• Mood changes.
• Change in how you act.
• Not able to sleep.
• Feeling confused.
• Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are not there).
• Change in hearing.
• Ringing in ears.
• Muscle pain or weakness.
• A burning, numbness, or tingling feeling that is not normal.
• Fever or chills.
• Sore throat.
• Any unexplained bruising or bleeding.
• Feeling very tired or weak.
• A very bad skin reaction (Stevens-Johnson syndrome/toxic epidermal necrolysis) may happen. It can cause very bad health problems that may not go away, and sometimes death. Get medical help right away if you have signs like red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin (with or without fever); red or irritated eyes; or sores in your mouth, throat, nose, or eyes.
• Heart problems like heart failure and abnormal heartbeats have happened in people taking high doses of chloroquine for a long time. Sometimes, these have been deadly. Call your doctor right away if you have a fast or abnormal heartbeat; very bad dizziness or passing out; or shortness of breath, a big weight gain, or swelling in the arms or legs.
• Belly pain.
• Stomach cramps.
• Not hungry.
• Upset stomach or throwing up.
• Headache.
• Diarrhea.
• Change in color of skin.
• Change in color of hair.
• Hair loss.
• Anxiety
• attempts at killing oneself
• back, leg, or stomach pains
• black, tarry stools
• bleeding gums
• blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
• blood in the urine or stools
• blurred or decreased vision
• change in near or distance vision
• chest discomfort or pain
• chills
• cold sweats
• confusion
• continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in the ears
• cough
• dark urine
• diarrhea
• difficulty in focusing the eyes
• difficulty with speaking
• difficulty with swallowing
• disturbed color perception
• dizziness
• dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
• double vision
• drooling
• fast, slow, irregular, or pounding heartbeat
• feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
• feeling that others can hear your thoughts
• feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
• fever
• general tiredness and weakness
• halos around lights
• headache
• hearing loss
• inability to move the eyes
• increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid
• joint or muscle pain
• large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
• light-colored stools
• loss of balance control
• lower back or side pain
• muscle trembling, jerking, or stiffness
• muscular pain, tenderness, wasting, or weakness
• night blindness
• nausea
• overbright appearance of lights
• painful or difficult urination
• pale skin
• pinpoint red spots on the skin
• puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
• red skin lesions, often with a purple center
• red, irritated eyes
• restlessness
• shuffling walk
• skin rash, hives, or itching
• sore throat
• sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
• sticking out of the tongue
• stiffness of the limbs
• sweating
• swollen or painful glands
• tightness in the chest
• trouble breathing
• tunnel vision
• twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
• uncontrolled movements, especially of the face, neck, and back
• unusual bleeding or bruising
• unusual tiredness or weakness
• upper right abdominal or stomach pain
• vomiting
• yellow eyes and skin

And the mildest side effects aren't even uncommon.

Myself and two other guys in my squad had nasty reactions to it, and had to get approved for the alternative shit (which may or may not have ended up in the latrines. I wonder to this day if some of our chronic health issues isn't from cholorquine.

Honestly; if I catch Corona, leave me to sweat it out, rather than get put back on that horrible shit.

 

[mindlessobserver]

And when this draconian measure is used to stomp out free speech of actual critics who point out the governments fuck ups in this situation, will it still be justified? Worth it?

What are the alternatives? Our media has become a fifth column taking marching orders from an enemy power. I dont think the 1st amendment ever conceived of a day where there would be multinational corporations in control of print media published in hundreds of American cities more in fear of a foreign monarch then they were of their own elected government and neighbors.

But here we are. With NPR, that is partially funded by the US government no less, spewing Chicom propaganda onto the airwaves and helping to undermine the national defense of this disease. A disease that same Chinese Communist Party has suddenly realized could cause lasting and irreparable harm to us.

This is really an inflection point and I honestly hope our journalists realize who their country is. Because lord knows the CIA and NSA already knows who they serve. All it will take is a single press conference by the CIA director outlining US media ties to China and the Government wont have to do shit. The general population may very well lynch them on their own.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Dude, it was explicitly ruled by SCOTUS as wrong, but Lincoln gave no fucks. He did it anyway and in retrospect he made the right call.

Delete this

 

[Arctic Fox]

Besides, there's no right to coof on people in Constitution.

"Don't shout fire in a crowded theater," escalates pretty quickly to, "You're continued interference is detrimental to our efforts, you're a threat and will be detained,"

 

[JosephStalin]

CA's Fuhrer Newsom commands all 40 million Calfornians to leave home only when necessary.

California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order over coronavirus