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WTF is even that wikipedia article? It's worth just to poke holes into it:She was basically grown in a lab for this moment in Hollywood. It's like when the NFL really wants the #1 pick to make it big.
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So they were charlatans/hippies.
Pressing X to doubt.
Weird how homeschool is frowned upon unless it is done by hippies.
Self diagnosed mental conditions, check. Also this doesn't contradict at all her appearances in multiple commercials and shows in a young age.
And serious film reviewers would watch it, stand and clap.
This is totally a thing that is abnormal for a child.
I just hope it was her mother that banged her way into the school.
Unlike the multitude of other kids whose parents got a divorce, also unlike the kids that had an actual tragedy that fuck up their lives.
WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED?
So basically a normal hippie parent.
That's delving into self-biography territory.
Now wait a minute here, her parents divorced when she was 7, they were destitute but she already had appearance in pretty well known shows by the age of 9? Also wouldn't the mother keep the house? Not to mention that from ages 11+ she had shitload of gigs.
It's pretty interesting that under this bullshit there's the normal hollywood story:
Brie had a psychotic mother who used her to advance her position, almost assuredly whoring herself, Brie/her sister (who she might have abandoned with the father). The mother moved herself and Brie into hollywood to get close to celebrities, getting divorced from her husband as consequence. The mother of course won custody (because a sane parent would move her entire household to try to bank on her child's acting career) and spend the next years brainwashing her spawn/s into believing their father was the bad guy who didn't really want them.
The sister is the most interesting part since she might as well have been blacked out SCP-style. My theory is that the sister was whored out for Brie's success, since Brie would have been far more fucked up by getting the pedowood treatment and otherwise there would be fucking information about her. The only clear thing I can say is that people like Brie's mom should never have kids.
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I've got to wonder if Filoni's contract says he gets paid when Ahsoka is used.
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Have no idea. I prefer her to just stick to indie darling flare which was her thing before that moment where she got casted as Captain Marvel ballooned her ego.
Besides her narcissistic ego, we apparently have to witness some fake ass fan art with her dating Tessa Thompson for some reason.
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Well add another one to the list of "redheads from popular IPs that get screwed over from current year nonsense"
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You know, I can't decide what's better in Phantom Menace, the puppet Yoda or CGI Yoda.
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I’d take Mara getting Blackwashed over her being played by Brie
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I gotta say, to see Mara Jade finally brought off the page is something I've wanted for years. To fuck her up by casting Brie Larson or making her some icon of a political agenda would make me sick. What a waste.
Anyways, I saw this the other day and got a chuckle out of it.
Anyways, I saw this the other day and got a chuckle out of it.
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For me, it's CGI Yoda, but that could be bias talking since the CG Yoda from the PT is my favorite iteration of the character. Don't get me wrong, I like puppets as much as the next guy, but I just really like the wealth of expressions Yoda is enabled in the PT.
Yoda's facial expressions during the Sidious duel, for instance, were fucking great. I don't know if you could pull those off with the limited range of the Puppet Yoda.
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Agreed. OT Yoda is certainly an impressive display of puppetry and movie making skill, but CG Yoda is ultimately superior at conveying George's (intended at least) more serious tone of the PT. Puppet Yoda would be a tad too zany and out of place for the job.
Regarding Mara Jade: I guess there goes another actually good character, one that was conceived with an actual role, personality and set of emotions in mind rather than merely a specific type of genitals and a tick on someone's political agenda. This process has become tiresomely predictable at this point: diversity/casting couch actor gets casted as beloved character, character gets rewritten as some sort of stand-in/champion for some flavor of tHe oPpReSsEd/LGBBQT+/etc., none of the character's original traits makes the cut for this new incarnation, character and movie/show/game fail, creators blame disheartened old fans. Rinse and repeat.
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I think CGI Yoda was alright, but puppet Yoda is my preferred wrinkly green midget. That's mostly due to CGI aging poorly in general, a problem that the prequels generally suffer from; sometimes it looked good or great like Mustafar, but the mediocre stuff like the Jedi Temple really sticks out like a sore thumb these days. Puppet Yoda and practical effects in general don't have this problem quite so severely. Not to say that CGI Yoda is bad, but your brain can tell the difference between a real object that actors are interacting with and a computer-generated insert.
Puppeteers can do some really amazing things with their craft, which I've seen first-hand. Slight inconsequential powerlevel, but I've been to the Late Night Puppet Slam at Dragon Con a couple times, and some of the acts I saw there were incredibly life-like in movement and emotion. Highly recommend if you're at the con in the future. A Yoda puppet made in the modern day would pull it off fine, I think, if The Mandalorian is any indication. I dunno if they pulled the old puppet out of storage for TPM or if they made a new one, but I do agree that it was a little stiff in that movie.
Obviously you couldn't use the puppet for lightsaber duels, but then we get into the question of whether that was even worth including in the first place. Still disagree with George there, Yoda doing his little flips is a bit goofy. At least it's entertaining in a schlocky way.
Did you see without a trace. Two black woman with literally mental illness haircuts. Its happening.
Also sounds like the rest of the episodes will be more Asohka wank. Rather than show Thrawn teaming up with Padme, Filoni has decided not to rip of Zahn this time and go it alone. So we'll get a nothing space filler sat in Mon Cal where "will Palpatine be revealed?" Spoiler no. And the invasion of Mandalore! which is supposed to cover Order 66 and cringe warning, feature rex and his squad painting asohka colors on their fucking armor.
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Imagine how awkward that would be if they painted the helmets to look like Mace Windu.
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I'm still wondering what bodies he knows are buried that allows him to protect his characters and project his wolf fetishes into the setting myself.
Because he's pretty much the only guy pre-buyout who can get what he wants.
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Here's the thing about Mara Jade.
She is someone that could have EASILY been written as a Mary Sue...but she's not.
She's not all powerful, and she actually kind of starts off as a bad guy doing bad things for one of the most bad person in Star Wars, and when we meet her, her main goal is to kill Luke Skywalker, our boy!
She is a Force Sensitive and has skills, but is not a fully trained Sith/Jedi, which means she's not all powerful, but she's smart and capable. Yeah, she technically had more training than Rey and can do far less. Go figure.
She has a unique relationship with different characters. Her relationship with Luke is obviously very complicated and develops over the course of a TON of stories, not just the trilogy that introduced her. She probably saw The Emperor as the closest thing she had to a father, but he was actually manipulating and using her, giving her status and a feeling of accomplishment, but also keeping her on a tight leash to where no one could vouch for her when The Empire fell. And on the few occasions we saw her interact with Vader, they have a hilarious (to me anyway) relationship where Vader resents her for the sole reason that she is close to The Emperor (Vader also hated Xizor for similar reasons). The idea of Vader being like "I'm his favorite, fuck you" just tickles me.
And that's only scratching the surface as she makes a good business relationship with Lando, gets trained in the force by Luke, becomes a respected member of the team by Leia and Han after initially being viewed with mistrust (for obvious reasons). She forms a relationship with The Hand of Judgment, a cool group of rogue stormtroopers.
And because of her story, it allowed writers to tackle her from different periods in her life. Her "Emperor's Hand" phase shows her working for the bad guys, and all the things that go along with that, we can see her Jedi training with Luke, or off on some mission with Lando or Han...she usually fit in pretty well no matter what story they were telling.
She is a case of "the bad guy turned good" and that's what made her cool, and reading the Thrawn Trilogy for the first time, I thought she fit the main crew of iconic characters almost perfectly. Thrawn and Mara Jade were author Zahn's two greatest contributions to Star Wars, probably because they were the most difficult to execute. For Thrawn, what villain can fill the shoes of Darth Vader and The Emperor? And for Mara, how can you introduce a new main character to the core group without it feeling forced? Well he succeeded, and she became a beloved character as a result.
Her appeal wasn't "STRONK WAHMEN" and she definitely didn't fall into the usual trappings whenever modern writers try to write strong women...and if Disney brings her back, I KNOW they are going to fuck her character every which way till Sunday and she is unrecognizable.
She is someone that could have EASILY been written as a Mary Sue...but she's not.
She's not all powerful, and she actually kind of starts off as a bad guy doing bad things for one of the most bad person in Star Wars, and when we meet her, her main goal is to kill Luke Skywalker, our boy!
She is a Force Sensitive and has skills, but is not a fully trained Sith/Jedi, which means she's not all powerful, but she's smart and capable. Yeah, she technically had more training than Rey and can do far less. Go figure.
She has a unique relationship with different characters. Her relationship with Luke is obviously very complicated and develops over the course of a TON of stories, not just the trilogy that introduced her. She probably saw The Emperor as the closest thing she had to a father, but he was actually manipulating and using her, giving her status and a feeling of accomplishment, but also keeping her on a tight leash to where no one could vouch for her when The Empire fell. And on the few occasions we saw her interact with Vader, they have a hilarious (to me anyway) relationship where Vader resents her for the sole reason that she is close to The Emperor (Vader also hated Xizor for similar reasons). The idea of Vader being like "I'm his favorite, fuck you" just tickles me.
And that's only scratching the surface as she makes a good business relationship with Lando, gets trained in the force by Luke, becomes a respected member of the team by Leia and Han after initially being viewed with mistrust (for obvious reasons). She forms a relationship with The Hand of Judgment, a cool group of rogue stormtroopers.
And because of her story, it allowed writers to tackle her from different periods in her life. Her "Emperor's Hand" phase shows her working for the bad guys, and all the things that go along with that, we can see her Jedi training with Luke, or off on some mission with Lando or Han...she usually fit in pretty well no matter what story they were telling.
She is a case of "the bad guy turned good" and that's what made her cool, and reading the Thrawn Trilogy for the first time, I thought she fit the main crew of iconic characters almost perfectly. Thrawn and Mara Jade were author Zahn's two greatest contributions to Star Wars, probably because they were the most difficult to execute. For Thrawn, what villain can fill the shoes of Darth Vader and The Emperor? And for Mara, how can you introduce a new main character to the core group without it feeling forced? Well he succeeded, and she became a beloved character as a result.
Her appeal wasn't "STRONK WAHMEN" and she definitely didn't fall into the usual trappings whenever modern writers try to write strong women...and if Disney brings her back, I KNOW they are going to fuck her character every which way till Sunday and she is unrecognizable.
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The more I hear about TCW Season 7, the more inclined I am to ignore it, and banish it from my mutated head-canon of TCW 1-6, Gennedy Wars, and the Clone Wars Multimedia project.
Which is even easier to do given all the alterations Season 7 has gone under Disney/Filoni, rendering it the only season of the show that was made without Lucas' supervision, and therefore illegitimate.
The CGI in the Prequels looks fuzzy, badly-composited, and poorly-implemented throughout several instances, but I was too enamored with the designs being conveyed through those effects to care. By contrast, modern films like the ST has some of the most realistic contemporary CGI to date, but that doesn't mean shit to someone like me when the design work is so bland and forgettable. I'm never going to remember any of the recycled, generic ship types or bland alien designs or static planetary locations in the ST, no matter how "real" they look. But the ships, planets and aliens of the PT? Those designs will stay with me forever. Even the poorly-conveyed CGI sequences that people poke holes at, like the badly-composited aliens in the Pod Race or the green screen environments like the Jedi Temple or Utapau, I'm too busy marveling at how creative all of the designs are. One of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars is the Beast Arena Scene on Geonosis....none of it looks real or convincing in the slightest, and yet the monster designs and landscape are like something straight out of John Carter: Warlord Of Mars, and make me gush over it regardless.
When it comes to Yoda, his design is the same whether in CG or Puppet form. As stated, I care more about the design being conveyed than how real it looks. And while PT Yoda doesn't look more real, that version stays with me because of the kind of expressions that are conveyed through his model, dated as it may be.
I guess it all just comes down to the fact that I have a larger affinity for the artistic design of film than the technical aspects that allow for realism. It's one of the reasons I gravitate more towards animation than live-action film...and the PT looks wholly unrealistic, and like one big live-action cartoon. One that hasn't aged well in the technical sense at all, but like all the dated cartoons I love, convey designs and visuals that stay with me long past their expiration date.
The 1990 TMNT Movie showcased animatronic puppet faces that were capable of a wealth of expressions, that still look fluid and varied today. Other films have showcased similar effects as well. It is certainly doable with puppetry. What I'm saying is that the puppet used for Yoda in ESB and ROTJ didn't have that kind of expressive range. His emotional reactions were kind of limited to widening his eyes or clamping his mouth into a disapproving scowl, which is fine, but the rest of his face doesn't really change, and makes him look a bit static. Puppet Yoda is still a nice piece of puppetry, but I think a better puppet could've conveyed a wider ranger of expressions....which we unfortunately, never got. We did get those with CG Yoda, not because those expressions were only possible in CG, but because we never saw a truly advanced puppet on the same level of something like TMNT, for example. Or any of the puppet effects on display at the conventions you mentioned.
One would hope that a modern attempt at Puppet Yoda would be more expressive than the one we got in the 80's, but the TLJ one looked just as static and limited as the original. They could've easily put the money into making the most dynamic and emotive Puppet Yoda to date, but Rian Johnson funneled all of that money into shit like the lactating alien manatee, and the Casino Planet.
The only thing I didn't like were those weird growling noises Yoda made during the Dooku fight. Glad that George had the good sense to remove that from all future incidents of Yoda fighting in ROTS and TCW.
Quibbles with the actress aside, I thought that Amber Heard was gorgeous as Mera in the new Aquaman. Being absolute soaked and having a plunging neckline into Titty City didn't hurt either.
You don't have that with any of Disney's female mannequins. They can't strike a balance between being strong, and being relatable.
Which is even easier to do given all the alterations Season 7 has gone under Disney/Filoni, rendering it the only season of the show that was made without Lucas' supervision, and therefore illegitimate.
Well, I suppose this is why I can't be considered a good authority when it comes to what looks superior in a film, because what I look for in CGI and special effects in general isn't how "real" it looks. The realness of practical effects or CGI, and the way people interact with it, doesn't do a whole lot for me specifically, because to me I know it's all fake anyway. I know some people are caught up on what looks real to them and how actors interacting with something enhances that immersion, but that was never how my brain worked. Be it the shittiest or most dated CGI, or the most pristine puppetry or animatronics, the thing I care about most is what design either of those effects are trying to convey.
The CGI in the Prequels looks fuzzy, badly-composited, and poorly-implemented throughout several instances, but I was too enamored with the designs being conveyed through those effects to care. By contrast, modern films like the ST has some of the most realistic contemporary CGI to date, but that doesn't mean shit to someone like me when the design work is so bland and forgettable. I'm never going to remember any of the recycled, generic ship types or bland alien designs or static planetary locations in the ST, no matter how "real" they look. But the ships, planets and aliens of the PT? Those designs will stay with me forever. Even the poorly-conveyed CGI sequences that people poke holes at, like the badly-composited aliens in the Pod Race or the green screen environments like the Jedi Temple or Utapau, I'm too busy marveling at how creative all of the designs are. One of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars is the Beast Arena Scene on Geonosis....none of it looks real or convincing in the slightest, and yet the monster designs and landscape are like something straight out of John Carter: Warlord Of Mars, and make me gush over it regardless.
When it comes to Yoda, his design is the same whether in CG or Puppet form. As stated, I care more about the design being conveyed than how real it looks. And while PT Yoda doesn't look more real, that version stays with me because of the kind of expressions that are conveyed through his model, dated as it may be.
I guess it all just comes down to the fact that I have a larger affinity for the artistic design of film than the technical aspects that allow for realism. It's one of the reasons I gravitate more towards animation than live-action film...and the PT looks wholly unrealistic, and like one big live-action cartoon. One that hasn't aged well in the technical sense at all, but like all the dated cartoons I love, convey designs and visuals that stay with me long past their expiration date.
I think you might've misinterpreted what I meant by "I don't know if you could pull those [expressions] off with the limited range of the Puppet Yoda". I didn't mean that a puppet couldn't pull off the same dynamic range of expressions. Far from it.
The 1990 TMNT Movie showcased animatronic puppet faces that were capable of a wealth of expressions, that still look fluid and varied today. Other films have showcased similar effects as well. It is certainly doable with puppetry. What I'm saying is that the puppet used for Yoda in ESB and ROTJ didn't have that kind of expressive range. His emotional reactions were kind of limited to widening his eyes or clamping his mouth into a disapproving scowl, which is fine, but the rest of his face doesn't really change, and makes him look a bit static. Puppet Yoda is still a nice piece of puppetry, but I think a better puppet could've conveyed a wider ranger of expressions....which we unfortunately, never got. We did get those with CG Yoda, not because those expressions were only possible in CG, but because we never saw a truly advanced puppet on the same level of something like TMNT, for example. Or any of the puppet effects on display at the conventions you mentioned.
One would hope that a modern attempt at Puppet Yoda would be more expressive than the one we got in the 80's, but the TLJ one looked just as static and limited as the original. They could've easily put the money into making the most dynamic and emotive Puppet Yoda to date, but Rian Johnson funneled all of that money into shit like the lactating alien manatee, and the Casino Planet.
I'm all for Yoda using a lightsaber---but that's mostly because it fits the "unassuming but secretly lethal martial arts master" archetype that I enjoy in other fiction, like Nicotine Caffeine in the Samurai Shodown games or Master Hozoin from Vagabond. It never seemed shlocky or goofy to me, except when he made those weird noises during the Dooku fight. In fact, it made logical sense to me that someone as small as Yoda would make up for his small height and short reach with his blade by performing high leaps. It's no different than Kazdan Paratus using his droid harness to make up for the same time of physical setbacks in The Force Unleashed (one of the only things I liked about that game).
The only thing I didn't like were those weird growling noises Yoda made during the Dooku fight. Glad that George had the good sense to remove that from all future incidents of Yoda fighting in ROTS and TCW.
There are a few left. Not many, but a few.
Quibbles with the actress aside, I thought that Amber Heard was gorgeous as Mera in the new Aquaman. Being absolute soaked and having a plunging neckline into Titty City didn't hurt either.
Something that people don't talk enough about is how vulnerable Mara becomes over the course of her journey. Sure, she starts out as the frosty, revenge-seeking former assassin, but later in life she gets stricken by the Yuuzhan Vong disease, and it's actually heartbreaking to see someone so traditionally strong and capable reduced to a frail mess. And the doubts she starts having about being Ben Skywalker's mother in Enemy Lines is really sad---I remember getting major feels when Jaina actually felt some of Mara's emotional surges while walking in on her at the Rebel Base, and feels a hurricane of self-doubt, like whether or not she deserves to be the baby's mother. It makes both Jaina and the audience want to hug her.
You don't have that with any of Disney's female mannequins. They can't strike a balance between being strong, and being relatable.
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Lol oh please
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Why dose Ahsoka get the half the 501st? She's not a Jedi anymore.