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Some good news again around hydroxichloroquine :

"Lennox Hill hospital records 0 deaths from 100 patients treated with H/A, including one on verge of death"

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No deaths at Lennox Hill Hospital from the virus after using hydroxychloroquine - Velt News

Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using Hydroxychloroquine with very promising results. One patient was described as “Lazarus” who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released. #IngrahamAngle — Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) March 20, 2020 Dr. William Grace from Lennox...
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There's a bit of hope we are starting to see the end of this, some other countries have developed cheaper and faster ways of testing for the chinese virus too.
 
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Not Really Here said:
That's an entirely different statement from "he said Trumps peddling false hope".
In fact the good Doctor just said he wants actual trails before talking about it because he's a doctor.
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Trump stated he had good feelings about it

2 seconds later Fauci says, no, there's no proof it works

That's called Trump was peddling false hope

HonsPonzud said:
Some good news again around hydroxichloroquine :

"Lennox Hill hospital records 0 deaths from 100 patients treated with H/A, including one on verge of death"

veltnews.com

No deaths at Lennox Hill Hospital from the virus after using hydroxychloroquine - Velt News

Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using Hydroxychloroquine with very promising results. One patient was described as “Lazarus” who was seriously ill from Covid-19, already released. #IngrahamAngle — Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) March 20, 2020 Dr. William Grace from Lennox...
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There's a bit of hope we are starting to see the end of this, some other countries have developed cheaper and faster ways of testing for the chinese virus too.
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100 people is nothing and 100 surviving isn't unheard of, 1000's have recovered already, without chloroquine. This is a feels based article.
 
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Not Really Here said:
Off label proscription isn't "mis-prescription" I don't really care what your totally uninformed idea of "wasted" is.
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Right, your reasoning is that when there is a scare resource that people actually depend on it is clearly not a misuse of that scarce resource to waste it on a speculative prophylactic application against coronavirus, that unlike its actual usefulness in chronic cases that has been demonstrated by the CCP, and unlike its use for arthritis and lupus, has absolutely no basis to support it.

Care to explain how Iowa, Texas, and Idaho are going against MMURICA by stopping gynocologists and plastic surgeons from ordering in big stocks to grift off the coronavirus?
 
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Non-Expert! said:
What is Iran doing to help their people along with this?

Any steps in the right direction?
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It's because they got nothing. They can't bombard us with bright and shiny 'see whut we did' because that ain't happening in China or Iran on any real level. So they're trying to agitate us with fourth rate crap to confuse us. Fuck that. I might not be immune to corona chan but I'm pretty sure that most of us have built up quite the immunity to the viruses being peddled by these losers.
I tolerated those dudes because they could sometimes post intelligent things and brought in some dox. In the aftermath of the 'blame the US shit' they kinda lost it. Signal to noise ratio is what propels this thread, aint got no time for stupid fucks posting rehashes of twenty year old godlikeproduction memes.
 
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Goronnn said:
2 seconds later Fauci says, no, there's no proof it works
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Why didn't Fauci say 'There is some data which is promising but it is based on a small sample size study. I do agree that we need to move the bureaucratic barriers to run increasingly larger studies. If those are as promising as the French study then we've got a very good treatment which will save lives. This is a crisis and we can remove bureaucratic barriers but we got where we are as a species because of the scientific method and we must not abandon that.'?

Or something like that. If the US system works at peak efficiency it should be possible to fast track studies and get a cure as quickly as possible which is medically proven. However, it needs to make sure if it deploys a cure it really is a cure and that means large scale studies.
 
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Goronnn said:
Trump stated multiple times that he had good feelings about it (without having no real clue). That is peddling false hope.
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Saying a drug that is showing promise in france is also showing good results in america is not false hope my man. Specifically in turning around the symptoms of a late stage patient.
Gustav Schuchardt said:
Why didn't Fauci say 'There is some data which is promising but it is based on a small sample size study. I do agree that we need to move the bureaucratic barriers to run increasingly larger studies. If those are as promising as the French study then we've got a very good treatment which will save lives. This is a crisis and we can remove bureaucratic barriers but we got where we are as a species because of the scientific method and we must not abandon that.'?
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When you have thousands that are actively dying around the world of a terrible disease, saying "but my bureaucracy" doesnt fly. We already have a good base for what happens to patients that develop severe symptoms without medication, so throw hydropresowhatever at them and see if they improve. Large scale tests, surely not currently suffering a shortage of test subjects right now, and if you are dying anyway, why NOT try it?
 
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Not Really Here said:
Prove it's scarce.
You have zero idea of the stocks of the drugs and how long it takes to make more.
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I'd link the multiple news stories I've posted in this thread that document that people who actually need these drugs are unable to get them, but you won't read them anyway because MUH DOW.

LMGTFY

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than search it for themselves.
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Why didn't Fauci say 'There is some data which is promising but it is based on a small sample size study. I do agree that we need to move the bureaucratic barriers to run increasingly larger studies. If those are as promising as the French study then we've got a very good treatment which will save lives. This is a crisis and we can remove bureaucratic barriers but we got where we are as a species because of the scientific method and we must not abandon that.'?
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Because he's a doctor not a Trump/NYSE cheerleader?
 
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Gustav Schuchardt said:
Why didn't Fauci say 'There is some data which is promising but it is based on a small sample size study. I do agree that we need to move the bureaucratic barriers to run increasingly larger studies. If those are as promising as the French study then we've got a very good treatment which will save lives. This is a crisis and we can remove bureaucratic barriers but we got where we are as a species because of the scientific method and we must not abandon that.'?
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Because there are no actual scientific studies that are peer reviewed on the drug vs coronavirus. He's a scientist. He doesn't go off feels based reports. He specifically stated this as why the French "study" was shit.

Not Really Here said:
Ahhhhh.
You have no idea what the word 'hope' means or what the phrase 'false hope' means.

Got it.
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Deny reality and the english language, I truly don't care.
 
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Goronnn said:
Trump stated he had good feelings about it

2 seconds later Fauci says, no, there's no proof it works

That's called Trump was peddling false hope



100 people is nothing and 100 surviving isn't unheard of, 1000's have recovered already, without chloroquine. This is a feels based article.
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100 is still a nice sample even if small, even if it just reduces the mortality rate of this shit by a significant margin, sorry being optimistic.
 
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Not Really Here said:
Ahhhhh.
You have no idea what the word 'hope' means or what the phrase 'false hope' means.

Got it.
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I think it would be more productive to remember that CNN's exact line was "Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times." The keyword there is "unsubstantiated" because there's absolutely substance behind this in the form of multiple studies. They aren't fully-fleshed clinical trials and there's not a definitive behind the suggestion yet, but that one word completely changes the trajectory of their headline from what could have been a mostly reasonable complaint into one that's teetering dangerously on becoming an outright lie.

Trump wasn't pulling that medication or the combination of the two out of his ass, nor was it even his idea to begin with. There was a documented assumption behind examining those two medications as a response to the outbreak. Whether or not that's a 'false hope' depends on the direction of the trials, but my contention is squatting entirely on their use of "unsubstantiated" rather than any other part of their headline.
 
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Goronnn said:
Because there are no actual scientific studies that are peer reviewed on the drug vs coronavirus. He's a scientist. He doesn't go off feels based reports. He specifically stated this as why the French "study" was shit.
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So do a proper study in the US. The US built atom bombs in the 1940s and ICBMs in the 1950s. This a much less technically challenging thing than that. Do the study. If the treatment is bad you'll know and you can abandon it. If it works we've got a very good treatment.

I'd fund other stuff in parallel too. E.g more ventilators and work on a vaccine. I don't know which of these will solve it but I do know it will be solved by one of them if you build up a good portfolio of possible solutions to study.

If Fauci says he isn't confident in managing this process Trump should sack him from the White House Coronavirus Task Force and get someone who is. That's what would happen to most of us if our boss said to customers 'We will fix this problem' and we contradicted him in front of those customers.
 
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AltisticRight said:
Fruit bats are pretty cute little things, they are like puppies with wings. I even captured a photo where 2 small bats were hanging off their mother (presumably) in flight. There's a major area house to numerous fruit bats in the south of Sydney.
Would love to post, but I might as well dox myself at that point. Sigh.
Those HK protesters should use some of their molotov cocktails for thot patrol.

And aren't you from Iran or? You read Arabic right? Why not share Coronachan's holy war?


These outlets are shit compared to Chinese ones. People can disagree if they like.
https://www.baidu.com/
Expand the dropdown and use google translate. The titles are non-clickbait, summarises what's going on.
Some jingoism masturbation but it's China, all 8 parties in China are overtly nationalist, the pinned "news" can be ignored.
No bullshit about troons not having their expensive suicide surgeries or whores missing out on their income.
A relative showed me a news piece on Queensland Gov apparently fining people for keeping their kids home. I think it was too insane and fake. I dug around and reached about 2-3 websites with the title, behind a paywall. Never heard of the site, no mentions from bigger MSMs. One even claims they are the QLD times.
Is there any law possible to punish these outlets for deceiving people?
People see clickbait titles like this that are behind paywalls, they simply share the title and now, fake news is circulating, causing unneeded panic and fear.
Gotta love how condescending the media have been. "Up to 500k will die without controls!" also "don't panic buy, you'll be fine!". What?
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As for a cure, apparently China's experimenting with their vaccine now. Inside source from contact. Could be false, don't believe me, believe when we all see it.


I can give less of a fuck about xenophobia and racism, but it's funny how those brainlets are targeting nips, kims, and gooks. Most of the so called victims from apparent Coronachan related whatever hate crimes aren't Chinese, or rather they're not Mainland China Chinese.
The media also never mentions the colour of the criminals. So those brainlets 100000% aren't white.

Here's a joke.
You can't spell Coronachan without CN twice.
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Farsi and Arabic are different languages, so I doubt it.
 
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Goronnn said:
Correlation does not equal causation.

It's good to try and be optimistic but optimism isn't good in situations like these. People need facts.
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I mean, regardless of the usefulness of these antimalarial drugs, they aren't going to do any good if:
  1. People who need them can't get them because they've been gobbled up by scum trying to grift by prescribing them to random people who don't have the coronavirus, or any other condition they may treat, as endorsed by @Not Really Here
  2. People who need to be treated can't be treated because they can't be treated properly in a clinical setting, nearly two months after China completed its first temporary emergency hospital in Wuhan while warning the world, while Trump ignored the problem
 
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