MrBlueSocks
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Yeah, they probably just flipped a coin or something. No way those civil servants have considered this. Buncha dumbasses.
Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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I'm a little drunk here's a laugh we all need it.
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Please south Americans stay away from bats
Probably late and gay. Canada PM livestream.
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Meanwhile in South Korea tho... A US citizen providing a bit of information, really seems like S korea had it right since the beginning informing people about all the symptoms, aggressive testing and isolating clusters as soon as they appear... social distancing might be a huge part of it, and there were never a huge quarantine. Might have to do with the way they are already living (aka, they already are social distancing in their everyday life anyway. )
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She seems pretty guenuine and has familly in the U.S. she is worried about.
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My prediction - all state-wide lockdowns lifted by 1 April. Lockdowns in place only for areas that have a large number of active cases.
Here's the root problem, and it isn't even a disease-related problem.
America, and a number of other countries, has been running scared for too long. Started after 9-11. You saw a lot of overreaction then, too.
Too much groupthink. Groupthink doesn't always consider all the consequences of taking a particular course of action. They just want to be able to say they did SOMETHING, even if what they did was totally fucked up. "That can always be fixed later." "Shelter-in-place" is going to get a very bad name, because it was used indiscriminately. Lock down the hardest-hit areas. What possible good is there to locking down a remote/rural area, or a place that has no cases, or just a few?
Too many people taking counsel of their fears. Too many people letting the real-time disease casualty tracker drive important decisions. Hmm...up to 530 dead, from just over 500. So, less than 30 people died of the ChiCom Flu so far today. Regettable, of course, but far more than 30 people die in the USA every day of the regular flu, of cancer, of heart problems, of accidents at home/work, and vehicle accidents. But if you cannot or will not put things in perspective, then all you have is a hammer, and every problem a nail, rightly or wrongly.
Too many people believe we can save everyone from everything all the time. Sadly, no. No matter what is done here, X number will succumb to the ChiCom Flu. Just try to make that number as small as realistically possible.
Americans in World War II understood that not all the boys and girls would get home, but that didn't keep them from outproducing the Axis at every turn, including the war-winning weapon. We must understand that some people will pass away from the ChiCom Flu, but that can't keep parents from being able to feed their kids. And that's what is happening now. Way too many people one paycheck away from disaster. Got a payday Friday. Got a payday end of the month/1st of April. For too many Americans, there won't be a payday due to politicians taking counsel of their fears and not putting things in perspective. The people who mandate "shelter-in-place" never miss a paycheck, though, and many of these people will later draw fat pensions.
Just some thoughts. But if a few people are saying these things, more, including President Trump are thinking them.
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I tried to get my Nicotine patches using an old Waitrose.com account with an ancient email address. You can only get 3 of them due to government restrictions. That comes to £40. The minimum for delivery is £60. Or you can 'click and collect' if you order over £40 but 'all slots are unavailable now. Vaping it is. I'm fucking glad I've got about three weeks' food if I ration myself. Also realistically I've got fat reserves for another couple of weeks. Assuming the water and power aren't shut off, I should survive.
However, I genuinely feel sad about old boomer types who just assumed something like this was impossible and are dependent on regular trips to shops and those shops having what they need. They're like lambs to the slaughter.
However, I genuinely feel sad about old boomer types who just assumed something like this was impossible and are dependent on regular trips to shops and those shops having what they need. They're like lambs to the slaughter.
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Trump just hinted at this in the press conference and said that after the 15 day federal recommendations, they’ll look at “reopening“ parts of the country at the very least.
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Day one of the lockdown in Germany. Ate my neighbor. Took his toilet paper. First you get the toilet paper. Then you get the power. Then you get the women.
Seriously: Was out and about today to stock up on some essentials. No hoarding, just my usual shopping, I always had a pantry even long before this because I don't want to buy groceries every few days or sometimes even every week like some do. There was a long line in the front of the supermarket because of the two people rule, only a certain amount of people are allowed inside the super market, calculated from it's size in square meters as was helpfully explained by a print-out. When I told this to a foreign friend online, she told me that's the most german thing she's ever heard.
People were orderly and very good at respecting personal spaces. Some wore masks, some wore gloves. The supermarket had everything again, I think standing in a line and afterwards having to walk past a line of glaring people discouraged a lot of the hoarders. Supermarket cashiers have put up madeshift "sneeze guards" you could call them I guess so you don't breathe on them. Lines moved quick, nobody wanted to be in the store longer than needed. A funny thing I noticed was that people walking in opposite directions towards of each other seemed to speed up momentarily while passing each other.
Generally I saw few people here and there outside but it was really quiet. Sitting at the computer at home I noticed today that I don't hear any traffic and that there are not any significant amount of cars outside.
This evening in the news I heard that in one poll, a whopping 95% of people asked agreed with these social contact reduction rules. A surprising amount of people even agreed that the government handled this well. Almost half the people asked didn't worry about themselves getting infected though, which I guess is just human behavior. (hoping it'll only hit the others) In general I get the impression that states and even singular cities who started to make their own rules that differed from each other ahead from every federal decision really panicked some people and the federal government giving one straight guideline valid for all really calmed them down again.
The region hit hardest in Germany where pretty much the initial outbreak was reports that the numbers of new infections only increase really slowly. We'll see if that'll hold up towards the end of the week.
I hope this will go over well.
Seriously: Was out and about today to stock up on some essentials. No hoarding, just my usual shopping, I always had a pantry even long before this because I don't want to buy groceries every few days or sometimes even every week like some do. There was a long line in the front of the supermarket because of the two people rule, only a certain amount of people are allowed inside the super market, calculated from it's size in square meters as was helpfully explained by a print-out. When I told this to a foreign friend online, she told me that's the most german thing she's ever heard.
People were orderly and very good at respecting personal spaces. Some wore masks, some wore gloves. The supermarket had everything again, I think standing in a line and afterwards having to walk past a line of glaring people discouraged a lot of the hoarders. Supermarket cashiers have put up madeshift "sneeze guards" you could call them I guess so you don't breathe on them. Lines moved quick, nobody wanted to be in the store longer than needed. A funny thing I noticed was that people walking in opposite directions towards of each other seemed to speed up momentarily while passing each other.
Generally I saw few people here and there outside but it was really quiet. Sitting at the computer at home I noticed today that I don't hear any traffic and that there are not any significant amount of cars outside.
This evening in the news I heard that in one poll, a whopping 95% of people asked agreed with these social contact reduction rules. A surprising amount of people even agreed that the government handled this well. Almost half the people asked didn't worry about themselves getting infected though, which I guess is just human behavior. (hoping it'll only hit the others) In general I get the impression that states and even singular cities who started to make their own rules that differed from each other ahead from every federal decision really panicked some people and the federal government giving one straight guideline valid for all really calmed them down again.
The region hit hardest in Germany where pretty much the initial outbreak was reports that the numbers of new infections only increase really slowly. We'll see if that'll hold up towards the end of the week.
I hope this will go over well.
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Wouldn't be the first time I guess
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any idea what woke up the political class? We saw shit going on in wuhan and the way the chinese locked down shit.
Then italy went to hell in a hand basket....but wuhan was already in that state. Now here we are weeks out and there is this scramble.
Then italy went to hell in a hand basket....but wuhan was already in that state. Now here we are weeks out and there is this scramble.
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Civil servants are supposed to do what politicians tell them. Boris was resisting enforcing a lockdown as recently as yesterday. Look how he reacts when some journo demands that the police arrest people for going out.
And now he's snapped. I think it's naive to think that decisions like this are taken by a bunch of Philosopher Kings dispassionately weighing the pros and cons. The media create a hysteria and demand politicians do something, and those politicians eventually think 'Shit, if I don't do this and it all goes titsup I'll be ruined'. In The Thick Of It is funny because it portrays this environment of hapless politicians being terrified of the media in a way that is both funny and sadly all too plausible.
It's like Net Zero carbon emissions. The media whined and whined about the catastrophe that would happen if it wasn't done and didn't mention the significant downside. The politicians got gradually bullied into it. All through the process, the costs of not doing it were vastly exaggerated and anyone who mentions the downside of doing it was called an evil denier of The Science. The media had decided upfront it needed to be done and cherrypicked the evidence for it being necessary. The Conservative Party is fundamentally spineless when it comes to confronting this sort of thing and eventually, they folded. Just like they did when Boris announced that the police would enforce the lockdown.
Civil Servants may rebel over Brexit, as they did with Priti Patel, because the media party hate Brexit. They won't rebel over lockdowns because the media have been demanding one for weeks and constantly criticizing Boris for not having one because 'People will die!'. Well, people will die from the lockdown too. I think a lockdown will probably kill fewer people than letting coronavirus spread, but I don't think anyone has worked out how many people will die from the lockdown or made a serious attempt to work out which groups are at risk and try to protect them. Ain't nobody got time for that shit. The mob/media have decided a lockdown is required and they nagged the government until they got one. Any casualties from that will just be ignored by the media as inconvenient to the narrative.
The best way to look at it is that someone keeps provoking you and you eventually lash out and hit them. At that point you're not thinking of the possible downsides of that, you've snapped. The media pushed the government until it snapped.
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Alright, then lift all of the restrictions on everything for the sake of the economy.
Don't bother with facemasks and gloves, just rewash them as per Trump's directive, you'll be fine. @eternal dog mongler and her staff, and all of the other dog monglers across the nation and their staff can also suck it up.
And if by chance you are lucky enough to get infected, and oops ... sick .... you won't get an ICU bed, until you have an out of control fever, and it feels like a construction foreman tightened your workbelt around your ribcage. But here is the catch ... you will never see that ICU bed, if they don't fucking have one.
And God forbid, you have a "routine" heart-attack, stroke, brain anyeurism, near-fatal car or work accident ... Oh My! Where is the ICU or ER or OR "bed fairy?" And the immortal, winged cardiologist to magically beam himself to your magic bed?
Oh, sorry ... they are all busy saving thousands of people. Wait in line.
Oh yeah ... ever waited in an inner-city ER waiting room? Ever see the pain, agony and anger on some of these black people's faces, while they wait for their relative to get care, for 6 hours? Or the pain some people experience quietly, because their bodies are writing in pain, from the condition that brought them there in the first place?
Let's just say that there is a strong chance that you would be safer bleeding out in your living room, (invest in stypic powder, a fuckton of it, in fact) when they announce that no beds or care are available to these people.
If we choose to ignore the international medical community's advice, and people converge and their loads of all kinds of routine viruses increase, it will be harder to survive this pandemic.
This is not just the flu. Why is it soon damn hard, for Americans to follow the advice of people with advanced degrees in their fields? We really are a nation who believes that Forrest Gump could be the "Washington Outsider" to bring fresh insights into solving complex specialized problems.
Back to the pandemic ... you can only hope that you, your family members, or your friends will go quick, as gasp for air under a plastic bubble, begging for G-D'S or Satan's or the great microbial stew's mercy (whichever way you know you are going). And then, if you do recover, it might be with with a fucked up heart, compromised kidneys, banged up lungs, and a hospital discharge that includes a 12 month lease on life, set to expire when the next wave comes around.
And if you don't make it, you can spend some time waiting in the morgue where @cuddle striker or another cuddler, can carve you up, fighting back tears sweat and bile, while they process you and jam you into an already over stuffed freezer, until the county comes to bury you in a massive trench with people who you never would have associated with in this life.
May the strongest survive!
Or we can quit acting like over-entitled arrogant Americans, and actually manage this situation to keep Italy, Iran and China-like scenarios at bay.
Edit: Why do you guys think I am MOTI. I am not angry. I am deeply concerned. I just have seen a lot of shit in my time, and I just see so many opportunities for catastrophic failure. Not angry at all.
Don't bother with facemasks and gloves, just rewash them as per Trump's directive, you'll be fine. @eternal dog mongler and her staff, and all of the other dog monglers across the nation and their staff can also suck it up.
And if by chance you are lucky enough to get infected, and oops ... sick .... you won't get an ICU bed, until you have an out of control fever, and it feels like a construction foreman tightened your workbelt around your ribcage. But here is the catch ... you will never see that ICU bed, if they don't fucking have one.
And God forbid, you have a "routine" heart-attack, stroke, brain anyeurism, near-fatal car or work accident ... Oh My! Where is the ICU or ER or OR "bed fairy?" And the immortal, winged cardiologist to magically beam himself to your magic bed?
Oh, sorry ... they are all busy saving thousands of people. Wait in line.
Oh yeah ... ever waited in an inner-city ER waiting room? Ever see the pain, agony and anger on some of these black people's faces, while they wait for their relative to get care, for 6 hours? Or the pain some people experience quietly, because their bodies are writing in pain, from the condition that brought them there in the first place?
Let's just say that there is a strong chance that you would be safer bleeding out in your living room, (invest in stypic powder, a fuckton of it, in fact) when they announce that no beds or care are available to these people.
If we choose to ignore the international medical community's advice, and people converge and their loads of all kinds of routine viruses increase, it will be harder to survive this pandemic.
This is not just the flu. Why is it soon damn hard, for Americans to follow the advice of people with advanced degrees in their fields? We really are a nation who believes that Forrest Gump could be the "Washington Outsider" to bring fresh insights into solving complex specialized problems.
Back to the pandemic ... you can only hope that you, your family members, or your friends will go quick, as gasp for air under a plastic bubble, begging for G-D'S or Satan's or the great microbial stew's mercy (whichever way you know you are going). And then, if you do recover, it might be with with a fucked up heart, compromised kidneys, banged up lungs, and a hospital discharge that includes a 12 month lease on life, set to expire when the next wave comes around.
And if you don't make it, you can spend some time waiting in the morgue where @cuddle striker or another cuddler, can carve you up, fighting back tears sweat and bile, while they process you and jam you into an already over stuffed freezer, until the county comes to bury you in a massive trench with people who you never would have associated with in this life.
May the strongest survive!
Or we can quit acting like over-entitled arrogant Americans, and actually manage this situation to keep Italy, Iran and China-like scenarios at bay.
Edit: Why do you guys think I am MOTI. I am not angry. I am deeply concerned. I just have seen a lot of shit in my time, and I just see so many opportunities for catastrophic failure. Not angry at all.
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No, the GBU have not in fact being following the “We Were Only Pretending To Be Exceptional” strategy. You don’t need to go into bat for your side here. They haven‘t done anything wrong, but they haven’t done what their internet stans are suggesting they have either.
You are a good guy and I have a lot of respect for you, but we need to be fucking real here. This administration’s undoubted skills in handling PR and message discipline over Brexit - a purely political issue - mean shit all when faced with a genuine public health crisis and potential public order emergency which they cannot control.
They have not been “nudging” with some kind of genius autistic Rain Man foresight. And that’s not a slam on them; they, like many other governments, simply failed to process the data being firehosed at them fast enough to be in front of events rather than responding to them. There is a point where the job of being in government stops being about delivering your political and ideological objectives and getting reelected, and about actually ensuring the defence of the nation from threats. We are at that point. The BJ administration is trying to ride a tiger here. It isn‘t doing badly, but it isn‘t doing exceptionally well either.
I have had sight of some of the material that was considered by the four governments today. (Hi GCHQ. Me and half the country too) The measures that were announced tonight were announced because the data from the medics and scientists who are absolutely correctly being allowed to take the lead on shaping policy in Covid response is way, way fucking worse than was previously believed. The figures that were presented today were approx 100k current undiagnosed infections in Scotland and 600k in England. That’s undiagnosed, today, that no hospital knows about, and that most of the infected don’t realise as yet. The UK figure for R-nought is 3, which is very significantly higher than the 2 we were already working to. That is seriously fucking worse than the current crisis planning was working on. We no longer need to double ICU and HDU capacity, but quadruple it. This is a last attempt to shut the stable door when the horse has got three feet out of it.
This is not a “propaganda triumph”. It’s something far more serious and admirable than that; it is the decision to tank the economy at a highly sensitive time in order to protect the elderly and vulnerable and literally to save lives, because once the bodies start hitting the floor and they start widespread triage for access to HDU and ventilators - I say widespread because I have first hand accounts that it is already being done in at least four major city hospitals in different UK cities - the only thing that will in any way slow the snowball of deaths is having kept the infection rate down somehow.
You and I are old enough to remember the ERM crash. Once the bodies have stopped hitting the floor, and the unemployment rate is up, and the holiday from mortgage payments is over and the UK is trying to piece back together it’s shit from the very serious economic dislocation that’s already begun, people will turn around to the guy who was in charge at the time and scream “You didn‘t magically prevent this from happening”. The UK voter base can‘t even spell gratitude. They will take out their feelings about the deaths and the economic upheaval and the panic they felt on BJ the same way hormonal and frightened twelve year olds blame their dad for everything.
He has to do what the best thing seems to be at the time, and that’s what he‘s doing. But he will be blamed for all the downsides and given no credit for anything he did do correctly in a few years’ time. Churchill won a war and lost the election because the UK public has always got a chronic case of the grass being greener on the other side.
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it's really, really not a case of "doint let the viruses win, no fear!" if we even take the nice, gentle pace of the virus, at current in lets say Burgerland alone. Multiply it to match the same number of infections as the common flu, multiply again for the 4-5x infection rate and your looking at millions upon millions of dead americans in a very short time. Is no one learning anything from Italy and Spain?
It's not like hooded terrorists shrieking while exploding on buildings, you cant ignore it til after the fact and then maybe, think about doing something. Just sit back and give a year or so to clean out anyone that might know what theyre doing (because theyre fucking old), exhaust medical supplies and strain infrastructures worldwide, and just hope all the other diseases and natural disasters politely wait until we're ready again... alrighty.
No one wants to ruin economies and sit in their homes for a month or two, but that would literally solve the problem and allow everyone to get back to business sooner. It's so preventable its almost comical that people go out of their way to dismiss it. It's like sitting at the wheel of the Titanic, seeing the Iceburg, and thinking aaaah shit's just ice bro.
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How would that solve the problem? Those most at risk of dying from the virus now would still be at risk of dying from the virus one month from now.
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How about Pelosi?
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Even the doctor (not Fauci) is currently saying that there are parts of the country that aren’t very affected and they can probably go back to more normal life with the vulnerable population remaining on high alert. There’s plenty of areas of the country that are seeing virtually no increased hospital traffic and its even lower because there aren’t many cases and now they can’t even do routine care. It’s not a one size fit all solution and that’s the point.
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because dropping the number of infected roaming around to single or double digits instead of thousands, would allow it to be tracked and isolated much easier. Instead of having everyone running around not knowing who's carrying or not. The stress on the medical system would be lightened, because people still get sick and injured. Also, we can attempt to buy time for proper vaccines.
... But at this point, I'm kind of feeling like fuckit, let America be Italy2, but even better with no restrictions whatsoever because Football and Freedoms is important... Let's all sit back and observe how well that works out in comparison, come back and discuss in 2 months. That's not a stance i want to take, but they're really the only ones fighting for their god given right to die choking on their own lung goo right now.
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The narrative has been crafted.
Previously:
Still think the DNC is going to take any heat over this?
For those not following along, the GOP and DNC crafted a bailout bill. It wasn't perfect, but it had full bipartisan support.
Then the Marxist cunt from California showed up Sunday with a 1200 page list of ransom demands and the DNC torpedoed the bill. Said 1200 page list has expanded to 2000+ pages of pork, including demanding all companies involved institute diversity czars and other such bullshit.
It seems to be especially crafted to either get a wishlist of every bonehaded fucking stupid DNC / DSA idea that they've had in the past 5-10 years, or to force the GOP / Trump to torpedo the bill so they can create a narrative that the GOP is keeping checks out of people's hands.
Punished Cruz has awoken:
Elizabeth Harrington on Twitter
“👇👇👇 "What in the hell does a windmill have to do with this crisis?" https://t.co/50utmS5jhc”
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MrBlueSocks
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OK, I think we largely agree, certainly about the poisonous impact of the know-nothing press. I also had some thoughts on the similarities between the reactions to this crisis and climate change issues- mainly from a US perspective. Might take that elsewhere though when I've worked out what I'm talking about.
Where I disagree is :
I'd bet real money that someone or several someones have tried to do some figures on this, in fact they've probably been making constant panicky updates to various predictions and forecasts twice a day since this all started. Now, how much of the
Politicians are not engineers, they are more like con men. At the top level their important skill is much like a top Corporate Exec - the ability to quickly make a decision based on limited imperfect information, and the ability to appear to be a confident expert in something that you've only heard about for the first time five minutes before the interview.
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The goal isn't to completely stop the at-risk from dying. Its to spread it out over weeks and months instead of just going balls to the wall all at once and overloading the healthcare system. That's the point of self-quarantine and lockdowns: to slow the spread of the disease so hospitals have time to take care of patients at a slow drip. Because if hospitals get overloaded from every American attempting to out-Patriotism the virus then its going to hurt far more people than just those sick and elderly you've already conveniently written off.
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Andrew Cesare on Twitter
“Gangs in the Rio de Janeiro favelas have enforced a lockdown from 8pm tonight. The statement reads: "If the government won't do the right thing, organised crime will"”
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