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Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act | Sick Leave | Balanced Budget Amendment

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act introduced Monday

www.scribd.com

Here's the full version of the original 1,119-page bill that Pelosi threw in everyone's lap. Bare in mind that the current iteration is over 1,400 pages, so even more has been added to it since. People are still digging new bits and pieces out of it, though. On page 78 she's demanding $600 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, for example.

Here is the pdf for those who don't like Scribd. This is a version that was linked on NPR, in case there are multiple versions.

 

[Non-Expert!]

How would that solve the problem? Those most at risk of dying from the virus now would still be at risk of dying from the virus one month from now.

I am going to be blunt. At least 1 in 1000 cases are straight up doomed. ATM they are walking dead. And not all of them are "old" - some might surprise you. But nevertheless, barring some sort of "vaccination fairy" and "pill fairy" flying into the bedrooms of every American this month, a certain segment of the population is going to die.

The hotspots prove this. For a certain predictable percentage of the population, virus is not survivable with current technologies. Full stop.

These current measures will save some lives, but really they will make it possible for the salvageable to get care, and survive. They are "flattening the curve," euphemistically speaking, delaying the inevitable over a longer period of time to make it more manageable.

In my opinion it also can potentially calm down civil unrest. Like I said, try sitting in the waiting room of an ER with exhausted, mentally or physically ill people and their caregivers. Watch them get more agitated, the longer they have to wait. Now tell them that their Aunt or Momma can't get care, neither can all the other Mommas, uncles and aunts in the room.

That certainly CAN start a riot and it can have a cascading effect.

 

[LordofTendons]

I am going to be blunt. At least 1 in 1000 cases are straight up doomed. ATM they are walking dead. And not all of them are "old" - some might surprise you. But nevertheless, barring some sort of "vaccination fairy" and "pill fairy" flying into the bedrooms of every American this month, a certain segment of the population is going to die.

The hotspots prove this. For a certain predictable percentage of the population, virus is not survivable with current technologies. Full stop.

These current measures will save some lives, but really they will make it possible for the salvageable to get care, and survive. They are "flattening the curve," euphemistically speaking, delaying the inevitable over a longer period of time to make it more manageable.

In my opinion it also can potentially calm down civil unrest. Like I said, try sitting in the waiting room of an ER with exhausted, mentally or physically ill people and their caregivers. Watch them get more agitated, the longer they have to wait. Now tell them that their Aunt or Momma can't get care, neither can all the other Mommas, uncles and aunts in the room.

That certainly CAN start a riot and it can have a cascading effect.

Could you please edit your replies or consolidate them or something? I feel like I'm trapped in a Lewis Carroll novel here.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

A lot of people are asking why the fuck Facebook had or needed 750k N95 Masks? The answer most seem to be reaching is Facebook was either prepping stupidly or was planning on profiteering. (think how many E-Bay sales are driven by Facebook and Google. Now imagine how easily they themselves can exploit that.)

Like it was said on the last page: The Wildfires.

Two or three months of really shitty air quality with ash raining from the sky uses up a lot of masks real fast for a company the size of Google.

I am going to be blunt. At least 1 in 1000 cases are straight up doomed. ATM they are walking dead. And not all of them are "old" - some might surprise you. But nevertheless, barring some sort of "vaccination fairy" and "pill fairy" flying into the bedrooms of every American this month, a certain segment of the population is going to die.

The hotspots prove this. For a certain predictable percentage of the population, virus is not survivable with current technologies. Full stop.

Well, we can just speed shit up by taking them, and the pensioners, out back and shooting them in the head!

Two problems solved at once!

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I'd bet real money that someone or several someones have tried to do some figures on this, in fact they've probably been making constant panicky updates to various predictions and forecasts twice a day since this all started. Now, how much of the guesswork careful analysis makes it up the ladder of management to the right ears is a different question of course.

I don't disagree. The UK has thousands of people analyzing data and writing reports. I just think it's very optimistic to think that Boris carefully weighed up the pros and cons of a lockdown and decided that way. He got nagged by the media into doing it and his experts would only pass reports to him if they agreed with the policy implications.

Also, Boris doesn't seem like the type to get deep into detail, he's more of a bellyfeel/executive summary type. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing. You can only really do that job by deferring to experts. The problem is the experts and the media tend to suffer from groupthink and that groupthink will tend to overestimate the upside and underestimate the downside of a policy they've decided on.

It makes you wonder how many people died in WWII because the experts steered the government into a policy like this. I mean the UK's side won, but then much of that was due to the fact that the Allies vastly outproduced the Axis and the Axis was even more dysfunctional in terms of information processing than the Allies were. The UK had Russian allies to provide the cannon fodder and American allies to provide all the materiel. Churchill could drink all the champagne he wanted and just let the system do its thing once he'd set the general direction.

 

[Twinkie]

In my opinion it also can potentially calm down civil unrest. Like I said, try sitting in the waiting room of an ER with exhausted, mentally or physically ill people and their caregivers. Watch them get more agitated, the longer they have to wait. Now tell them that their Aunt or Momma can't get care, neither can all the other Mommas, uncles and aunts in the room.

That certainly CAN start a riot and it can have a cascading effect.

Yeah those low-info mentally ill sick people totally sound like the type that would abide a "lockdown" get real

Also you could have just edited your post instead of posting the exact same thing again only to tack on two more sentences.

 

[Shield Breaker]

A lot of people are asking why the fuck Facebook had or needed 750k N95 Masks? The answer most seem to be reaching is Facebook was either prepping stupidly or was planning on profiteering. (think how many E-Bay sales are driven by Facebook and Google. Now imagine how easily they themselves can exploit that.)

Zuckerberg blocks off the parking spots below his office because he thinks someone would Allu akbar him.

Mark Zuckerberg reportedly has an escape hatch in his office in case of emergency

It's a strange world we live in when tech CEOs need stringent security protection, but that's sadly the state of affairs these days. Notably, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg needs particularly rigorous protection, a dynamic which arguably isn't all that surprising given the tremendous amount

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Nope. Strangely.

We have no models for how this will go or help from the federal government. Or the state government (thanks DeSantis.)

Well... There are no publicly available models. There's no doubt that in the back rooms, Trump and the CDC and the like have all ran the numbers. And those numbers probably look really fucking bad.

The thing is, if he comes out and says "best case scenario, 2-5% of the US dies. Now stay at home so it doesn't hit 25%" then shit collapses instantly.

If he comes out and says "It's not going to be 15 days, it's going to be 6 months of this." Things fall apart instantly.

I imagine he's probably going to say at the end of the 15 days, i.e., March 31stish, something like "we've made great progress, we have some things we're testing, We're Americans, we're gonna beat this. Please continue to stay home as much as possible while we test these new drugs, and we'll re-evaluate April 14th."

I suspect that's the plan. Get us used to sheltering in place, then once we're used to it, loosen things up a little bit with instructions to keep doing it as much as possible -- "Stay home unless you absolutely have to go out" -- and some localized lockdowns. It'll still be status quo for what we have now, but the terminology will change.

But you're already seeing the NeoCons turn on him, as they don't give a shit about the coof, they care that the economy is cratering. Yeah, sending everyone back to work will get the GDP back up... for a few months, until everyone is at home coofing to death. Fuck the plebs, we have stock portfolios that are suffering!

Thank god Pelosi showed up to be a big fat drunken aunt and painted a huge bullseye on her back, eh?

 

[XYZpdq]

On page 78 she's demanding $600 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, for example.

what if it's for sexy corona-chan fanart

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Imagine lifting a lockdown for the sake of the GDP.

Logically there must come a point where the extra deaths from the lockdown exceed the extra deaths of coronavirus you'd cause if the lockdown were. How many months that will take, I'm not sure.

The interesting thing about South Korea is that once you've regained control and the new cases of coronavirus stop increasing it's only a couple of weeks before they head back down to zero. At that point, you'll know what the downside of lockdown is and can start to lift it selectively.

It's not really about GDP, it's about minimizing the death rate. The GDP is going to take a kicking no matter what at this point but you're right that that should not be a concern.

 

[Non-Expert!]

That was my point dude. Until a safe and effective vaccine is available, those who are most vulnerable will remain... most vulnerable. So how does a one-month lockdown "literally solve the problem" (and lol if they think we're getting a safe and effective vaccine in one month's time we'd be lucky to have it one year from now).

So the question is, how long should this go on? Should we tank the economy and ruin everyone's lives to protect the old, the fat, the cancer survivors, lupus havers, etc? I'm not being edgy but seriously.

Unless the vaccine fairy brings magical blessings to your local CVS, Rite Aid or Walgreens, and damn soon, a strong percentage of the vulnerable will die.

The issue is not if they die, the issue is when.

Because Pelosi, Trump, and their billionaire buddies already know this. They are probably discussing this over Champagne and Filet mignon, while we eat each other alive, at this very moment.

They don't need a long-term economic overhaul, they just need to juggle the terminal cases, the not-necessarily terminal cases, time, and the economic burden. Like circus clowns in business suits.

All they are doing is buying time. And votes. That's it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This is not just the flu. Why is it soon damn hard, for Americans to follow the advice of people with advanced degrees in their fields? We really are a nation who believes that Forrest Gump could be the "Washington Outsider" to bring fresh insights into solving complex specialized problems.

Edit: Why do you guys think I am MOTI. I am not angry. I am deeply concerned. I just have seen a lot of shit in my time, and I just see so many opportunities for catastrophic failure. Not angry at all.

I am going to be blunt. At least 1 in 1000 cases are straight up doomed. ATM they are walking dead. And not all of them are "old" - some might surprise you. But nevertheless, barring some sort of "vaccination fairy" and "pill fairy" flying into the bedrooms of every American this month, a certain segment of the population is going to die.

The hotspots prove this. For a certain predictable percentage of the population, virus is not survivable with current technologies. Full stop.

These current measures will save some lives, but really they will make it possible for the salvageable to get care, and survive. They are "flattening the curve," euphemistically speaking, delaying the inevitable over a longer period of time to make it more manageable.

In my opinion it also can potentially calm down civil unrest. Like I said, try sitting in the waiting room of an ER with exhausted, mentally or physically ill people and their caregivers. Watch them get more agitated, the longer they have to wait. Now tell them that their Aunt or Momma can't get care, neither can all the other Mommas, uncles and aunts in the room.

That certainly CAN start a riot and it can have a cascading effect.

I have an advanced degree so you should listen to me: The best and proven way to fight an outbreak is to quarantine and test everyone. Then you quarantine/treat the infected and trace their contacts, test and quarantine/treat them and so on. This is what South Korea did and that's why they're not fucked. Same in Japan.

But our government is full of retards with advanced degrees who were unable/unwilling to follow a tried and proven method of handling a pandemic. They screwed up the testing, they screwed up quarantine and so now this is out of control and everyone who isn't a filthy rich trust fund faggot is fucked; nevertheless, our politicians are taking this as an opportunity to increase their political power and not as a national emergency so everyone will remain fucked.

I know you're having a baby soon so my advice to you is to make contingency plans should this remain the current state of affairs. As a former Californian I have nothing but contempt for the political class there but for some reason they can be really good in a crisis. Notwithstanding the recent forest fires, they came through during various earthquakes.

 

[Kornheiser]

I think in less affected states you will see life return to normal soon while in more affected states some parts of the states will have the lockdowns be reduced if it’s in more rural parts. Why should some very rural counties in the upper Midwest suffer now when they are hundreds of miles away from the cities and counties that do have it?

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

India Is Now Hand-Stamping People Who Are Suspected To Have COVID-19 Infections

"Stamping is essential and very useful to reduce the spread."

www.zerohedge.com

India Is Now Hand-Stamping People Who Are Suspected To Have COVID-19 …

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India Is Now Hand-Stamping People Who Are Suspected To Have COVID-19 Infections


IT'S ANUDDA SHOAH

 

[XYZpdq]

I have an advanced degree so you should listen to me:

I went to tech school so lick me nerd

 

[Fareal]

The models exist. They are bad. They are worse than expected and there is very little time to adjust measures for management of the epidemic to account for them being worse.

The problem in the UK - no idea about other places - is that the data coming in off the ground is worse than was predicted. No one at this point has the slightest fucking idea why the virus is spreading faster and causing more serious illness than was predicted. The current thinking amongst the medical scientists is to demand we DONT CALL ANYBODY and stay the fuck home to stop spreading it quite so fast until they can work out what the fuck is going on and buy the NHS some time to figure out a response to the change in planning model.

In reality, the NHS frontline staff are doing what they think needs to be done to manage resources already. Verbatim text from someone close to me working in HDU:

”The consultants got together and we did some fag packet maths. We expect to be unable to see let alone treat anyone by next week if the rate of infection is growing the way we see it growing now. Not enough equipment or staff. We agreed to tell family of anyone >70 this week that their condition won’t respond to ventilation and offer oxygen only. Can’t have them tying up the ventilators we will need next week. Easier not to put them on at all than go through shit with families when we need them off to treat people <40 next week. Stay the fuck inside”

 

[Homo Demens]

Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act | Sick Leave | Balanced Budget Amendment

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act introduced Monday

www.scribd.com

Here's the full version of the original 1,119-page bill that Pelosi threw in everyone's lap. Bare in mind that the current iteration is over 1,400 pages, so even more has been added to it since. People are still digging new bits and pieces out of it, though. On page 78 she's demanding $600 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, for example.

That $600 million is probably for the artsy caskets and urns we'll be inhabitating real soon. I request mine to look ancient egyptian!

 

[tehpope]

Here's the full version of the original 1,119-page bill that Pelosi threw in everyone's lap. Bare in mind that the current iteration is over 1,400 pages, so even more has been added to it since. People are still digging new bits and pieces out of it, though. On page 78 she's demanding $600 million for the National Endowment for the Arts, for example.

Trump is going to have a field day with this.

EDIT:

AG BARR: "If you have a big supply of toilet paper in your house, this is not something you have to worry about. But if you are sitting on a warehouse with masks, surgical masks, you will be hearing a knock on your door."

Breaking911 on Twitter

“AG BARR: "If you have a big supply of toilet paper in your house, this is not something you have to worry about. But if you are sitting on a warehouse with masks, surgical masks, you will be hearing a knock on your door." https://t.co/KwQhFDHVq2”

twitter.com

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So... Vox has been attacking "the arts", and some journos/entertainers have critiziced them for it. And this is one of the things I agree more with the right in. Fuck art grants honestly, if it generates income then sure, get grants from the same programs as all other small businesses that can produce income to give it back get it from. But this "we gotta protect muh arts" shit I'll never agree with. Now, that said. You can see why many at least see the entertainers hitting back as justified. I mean, they were attacked, they are defending themselves, and they have gotten fucked by corona and aren't asking for shit.

So that said. Fucking Pelosi trying to give 600 MILLION BUCKS to the arts?! Yeah if the spanish left tried to pull that shit now I would be getting really fucking pissed off about it. What the fuck is wrong with this old hag? God. I had to get a new avatar just to represent what I feel whenever the american shitshow decides to start, which seems to be every day at around midnight from my perspective. Jesus. Here I thought my assholes in charge were dipshits. And I'm not just saying that for the arts shit, this pelosi bullshit is kinda incredible. I'mma not say much right now because I'm kinda hoping I'm misunderstanding a few things, but I feel like I deserve every rainbow I get for this. And the fact there's an area dedicated to "participation of indian tribes", tells you enough.

Hey. Protip. Remember how I explained some posts ago that in spain the added powers of Alarm state are HARD CODED INTO ALARM STATE, that is, ALL legislation made in this specific scenario so as to fight it specifically, by law, is reversed the very fucking second alarm state ends, and reparations are to be determined and paid to those affected by said legislation. Which is why the TEMPORARY seizing of industry is more than tollerable (specially combined with tax breaks), well. Fucking do a word search for the term "permanent" on that doc. Do it and fucking WEEP. This is literal nonesense. Holy shit all the people who said whatever the dems pass would never be repealed is 100000% right it literally is coded into the law it is to be PERMANENT. Just... This is bullshit. This is utter nonesense in wordsalad form. This is a fucking attempt at taking over the country, a fucking coup. Unnaceptable doesn't begin to cover just how bullshit this is!

 

[Non-Expert!]

Yeah those low-info mentally ill sick people totally sound like the type that would abide a "lockdown" get real

Also you could have just edited your post instead of posting the exact same thing again only to tack on two more sentences.

My internet or my tablet or this site has compromised functionality and I can't see if it was already posted. Went back and deleted. Thanks for the heads up.

I think that folks are missing my point. Mentally unstable people who are in pain and afraid in the ER or anywhere where they can not gain access to a resource, can trigger rioting.

The quarantine measure is in place, so that you and I don't end up in the ER needing care, in the first place.