Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I really think Filoni did an extraordinary job with TCW. He took many aspects of the film that were only briefly touched on and thus not convincing enough by themselves (Anakin's transition, the economics and politics of the Republic) and filled it out with enough detail to give it verisimilitude. There are a hundred little details - whether it's Hondo remarking "so long as you don't pay me in Republic credits" hinting at the failing, hyper-inflating economy of the Republic; or Anakin beating the crap out of a rival suitor to Padme because he's unable to openly acknowledge their relationship and it maddens him to have to keep standing there whilst another man tries to seduce his wife. You get to see in TCW how the Republic is corrupted, how the Jedi fall and how Anakin comes to the decision that only by getting rid of the Jedi can there finally be peace.
I'm honestly surprised that people liked the politics of the Clone Wars imo those episodes are some of the worst ones in the earlier seasons. The villains are all greedy old people with all the nuance and motivation of a potato and the conflict is resolved with Padme saying democracy good. There's the episode where Padme fights againts a bill to order more clones but at no point considers that the Republic forces are overun and they desperately need new troops even though this is stated in the opening of nearly every episode previously, it's not a bad conflict but it's handled in such black and white terms it's hard to care.
The show just has an execution problem at times like when they try to introduce a 'sympathetic' Separatist lady who wants peace, seemingly forgetting the two whole season's previously where Separatists have committed every war crime in the book and the unfortunate fact that their forces are lead by General fking Grievous, lightsaber collector extraordinaire. None of the characters bring it up even though Ahsoka is right there! Then the woman dies because they writers are lazy and coming up with a more plausible reason the peace treaty fails is hard.
Personally ,I think the Mortis arc is a perfect example of poor execution: the Father spends most of the arc telling the viewer things instead of the episode showing it in an understandable manner. The Father says he keeps balance because it's necessary but what balance? The Daughter is clearly good while the Son is described as 'falling into the dark' and that his nature is the opposite of the Daughters so is the Daughter tempted by darkness? I doubt it, she's literally selfless. So that then makes the viewer think that the balance is between good and evil itself which is what exactly? Half-evil? Half-good? To maintain balance whenever you save someone do you have to then kill someone else? Incidentally TLJ raises and refuses to clarify on the exact same point.
 
I'm not sure. I don't think there's enough data on the digital/disk sales to surmise how well they've been doing just yet. What I can tell you about them is that Disney is doing some kind or moronic marketing thing where there are multiple versions of the film available in some stores with exclusive content, like the version at Target which has an "exclusive" listing of all the ships in the big arrival scene at the end as if anyone gives a fuck (FYI its mostly shit from the Disney movies, Aladdin's Rebels, Filoni Wars and Chuck Wendig's godawful novels). Or a version with a free poster or specific commentary. Reviews for the digital copies are all the same "this movie may have been divisive but the documentary is a masterpiece!"... Wow... a documentary about a rushed piece of shit revolving around JJ and Kennedy huffing their own farts. What joy.

The final box office for the film though I know, and it was $1,074,144,248, with 515 mil coming from the domestic gross and 558 mil coming from the international gross. For comparison, TFA made 2 billion (900mil domestically and 1 billion overseas) while TLJ made 1.3 billion (620mil domestic and 712mil overseas). So the movie only made 20 million dollars more than Rogue One, which quite frankly is incredibly embarrassing for what was falsely advertised (at the time) as the last Star Wars film (in the Skywalker saga *wink wink*). This trilogy had the potential to make Avengers-level of cash, yet it just proved to be a dud. Merch sales should've been enough to save this sinking ship, but in the end they hardly sold anything actually related to this shitfest, instead only selling OT reprints. With results like that, its not surprising that High Republic is a novel/comic-only project. Also the film made less than Joker.

Because of the recent financial losses surrounding Disney, there will be cutbacks at the park, with some claims that the GE hotel will also receive some major cutbacks like the park did, which is ironic since they cut most of the content for the park out and forced it into the hotel behind an expensive paywall/hotel fee.

Also regular reminder that the Force is female.
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The Mandalorian is stated to still be going off as intended, however the Kenobi and not-Kyle Katarn show along with the "animated project" (which rumors claimed was Aphra-related) have been put on indefinite hold, with some claims of cancellation due to the financial losses caused by Corona. Supposedly they're instead replacing those projects with something "safer" that will ensure more profitability, like an Ahsoka or Rebels sequel show supposedly. However even the potential for that is under fire due to the recent "trans rights" shit and flame wars among the Disney Wars fandom over Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka.
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Its all a mess to be honest.

In regards to the park, you can get a quick rundown here if you don't mind Geeky's voice.
I wonder if their film division will also suffer major cutbacks as well as the parks. They might have to cancel some projects (looking at you Indy).
 
@nanny911 is this true? Did the novel actually imply Palpatine could return? Many here mentioned this being an obvious possibility before since there's nothing stopping him from coming back now that he has a clone body. But seeing it officially stated is just ayy lmao.
Also you mentioned this entry before right?
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Also the film made less than Joker.

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There is some justice in this world! Fucking King of Comedy but in Gotham gave this shit-fest a one-two punch of much greater profit and higher box office total. Disney only ever speaks money: that's gotta hurt.

Speaking of, I watched the film for free on a plane. I say watch, but what really happened was I stuck up until the part where Rey magically finds a Sith Dagger that magically has the exact directions for the Wayfinder that magically has the right directions to Exegol the team magically knows is where Palaptine is hiding, but C3PO magically has a new restriction to his programming, so they have to do another fetch-quest to aid them in their bigger fetch-quest and, naturally, quit.

Folks, you don't even have to judge this film as a Star Wars film (Lord knows that does more damage to the franchise than to this collection of visual images.). As a simple visual narrative, it's just an incoherent plastering of events and words. I daresay there's not even a plot or a emotional narrative: stuff just happens, emotions fluctuate from pathetic sap to mindless action with no rhyme or reason, and there's not one moment where the action can just rest and breathe.

This is perhaps the worst-constructed film I've had the fascination of watching. Plan IX from Outer Space had a clear message and basic justification for the plot events unfolded; Freddy Got Fingered at least maintains a consistent tone of puerile "humor." The Rise of Skywalker is just the cinematic equivalent of an elementary student bashing action figures together for the sake of bashing them together; I suspect the elementary student's story makes better sense.
 
Could someone better-acquainted with Filoni Wars than I give me a rundown of how Anakin's character develops (or doesn't) over the course of that series in comparison with ROTS and the Clone Wars multimedia project? 🤔
 
Could someone better-acquainted with Filoni Wars than I give me a rundown of how Anakin's character develops (or doesn't) over the course of that series in comparison with ROTS and the Clone Wars multimedia project? 🤔
Most character development comes from the Clone troopers, Anakin pretty much stays the same. He has a slight arc from when first Taking on Ahsoka to when she leaves but since he's one of the movie characters nothing is drastically altered. if something major happened it would have screwed up Episode 3. Grevious' off camera stuff is different because in the movies he was not an already established film character.
 
The thing that Filoni doesn't realize with the hoops he leaps through to keep Ahsoka alive is that it actually does a disservice to the character, especially in the eyes of people who like her. Ahoska's characterization and growth throughout TCW was very rich and well-earned, but a lot of that had to do with her interactions with Anakin. Lucas literally greenlit Ahsoka to be an emotional counter-balance to Anakin's character, another form of attachment that would further his descent towards the anxiety-ridden, over-attached mess we see him to be in ROTS. That was the entire point to Ahsoka's character, regardless of what Filoni tries to say or do in retrospect.

And when you remove Anakin from the equation, and start inserting her in purposeless, glorified filler like the Siege of Mandalore or post-ROTJ stories like the Mandalorian, after she's already fulfilled much of her narrative purpose and has virtually no growing left to do, her inclusion is little more than cheap pandering and shallow fan-service, which is a complete dump on her character. And Filoni doesn't even realize he's doing it.
I agree. I used to like Ahsoka but I ended up tolerating her as she made that cameo in early SW Rebels and completely hate her since Filoni brought her back from the Sith temple where she should have had that perfect ending facing her former master. The fight at the Sith temple was a great way to end Anakin's Jedi chapter of his life.
I see what Filoni is doing, he cares too much about the character, he refuses to let her go but by doing so, he's destroying the character and he is turning her into a Disney Princess and a Kreia 2.0.
The Siege of Mandalore should have been a Mandalore business, a Bo-Katan/Maul fight.
 
Ok you know what, im doubling down with my stupid "Chewie turns into Duncan Idaho from dune and becomes the sekrit true-true chosen one" idea and am now going to shit out an even more moronic premise that nevertheless would probably not be as crappy as whatever disney has planned to fuck the franchise back to life in the future.

Sequel Sequel trilogy is set a century after disney wars. Everything has fallen apart, the republic is long dead and the empire/first order is fast dying too, with the whole galaxy ripping itself apart as some new marketable edgelord threat emerges from beyond the stars. Jedi and Sith are extinct, and all efforts to revive them have completely failed.

Enter an older, and ultra grizzled chewie, the final survivor of the old age.

He watched everyone he has ever loved and everything he has ever fought for die or be corrupted into shit, and now in the end he just wants to die a worthy death and join his friends and family on the other side.

Then one day, as he fights what he thinks will be his final battle and is about to die in order to protect a group of scavengers he has been guarding, he suddenly manifests yoda tier force abilities out of fucking nowhere himself and yeets the army of bounty hunters/nu-vong/rey cultists who had been hunting them down into the stratosphere on angry reflex when he sees them about to murder his only remaining friends

Realising they are now is the only ones able to save whats left of the galaxy from [INSERT GENERIC WANNABE LOVECRAFT SHIT HERE] he and this ragtag group of new and not-disney-tier-insufferable characters set off on a roadtrip through the galaxy to do whatever contrived shit is needed to un-grimdark the setting and unfuck the franchise, while chewie learns to both master his new abilities with the aid of Yoda/Luke's ghosts and also to let go of the two hundred years of bitterness and rage he has been carrying since before the clone wars.

Then plot shit happens for three movies, yadda yadda yadda, and the trilogy ends Jedi Master Chewbacca founding a new jedi order on Yavin 4 while a resurrected Darth Maul* finally becomes the Dark Lord of the Sith on Korriban

* He used the same dumb clone shit as palpatine did. Its both schlocky and normie pleasing so thats why I went with it. Oh yeah and in the second/third movies of this hypothetical trilogy he was fighting on the good guys side against the generic wannabe lovecraft shit to rake in the hordes of anti-hero fetishists
TLDR: Its Old Man Logan meets the Star Wars Holiday Special with a sthuper-duper-subtle parable of "bitter and crusty old fanboy who spent years getting shit on by the franchise is able to rediscover his love of consooming the product and in doing so gets the strength to prevent the lovecraftian corporate suits from purging everything and rebooting it from scratch"

Is it a shit idea drenched with tism? Absolutely, but atleast I would get to see the franchise close with grizzled jedi chewie with a lightsaber and laser-cannon fighting alongside cloned cyborg uber-maul against cthulhu wannabes rather than mrs fucking tweedy grinning like a tard in the sunset
 
Is it a shit idea drenched with tism? Absolutely, but atleast I would get to see the franchise close with grizzled jedi chewie with a lightsaber and laser-cannon fighting alongside cloned cyborg uber-maul against cthulhu wannabes rather than mrs fucking tweedy grinning like a tard in the sunset
Knowing Disney they'd find a way to make that even worse than Ep 7-9, make even less sense than what you proposed, and also manage to make "Force God Chewie and Cyborg Darth Maul fighting alongside each other against Vong knockoffs" end up boring as all hell.
 
Most character development comes from the Clone troopers, Anakin pretty much stays the same. He has a slight arc from when first Taking on Ahsoka to when she leaves but since he's one of the movie characters nothing is drastically altered. if something major happened it would have screwed up Episode 3. Grevious' off camera stuff is different because in the movies he was not an already established film character.
Sfdebris has done some clone wars reviews and it makes me laugh because his interpretation of Anakin is as a bloodthirsty Zap Brannigan like figure.

I forget which episode it is but in one Anakin yells "retreat" and Chuck replies as one of the troopers with something like "we're not sure your men know how, sir."
 
@nanny911 is this true? Did the novel actually imply Palpatine could return? Many here mentioned this being an obvious possibility before since there's nothing stopping him from coming back now that he has a clone body. But seeing it officially stated is just ayy lmao.
Also you mentioned this entry before right?
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It sure did. At the end Poe looks uneasy and Finn asks him about it. Poe says Leia thought Palpatine was defeated at Endor, but he came back and now he fears he'll come back again. Finn says it's possible, but he won't come back "for a long, long time." So yeah, they leave the door open for another return of Palpatine. In Empire's End (The Dark Empire comic, not the Wendig shit) Palpatine's spirit was captured by a dying Jedi after the death of Palpatine's last clone. The Jedi assures Luke that Palpatine will be locked in Hell, and that he will "never, ever return." We don't get that assurance in the TROS.
 
Could someone better-acquainted with Filoni Wars than I give me a rundown of how Anakin's character develops (or doesn't) over the course of that series in comparison with ROTS and the Clone Wars multimedia project? 🤔
He stays pretty much the same throughout. It's a shame, AotC era Anakin would have made for great conflict in the earlier seasons, because he should be a dumbass who has to learn restraint. Instead, his plans have a tendency to magically succeed, even when they're terribly thought out and risky as hell. The Malevolence arc is a good example of that. I get that it's a kids show, but Genndy Clone Wars did a better job of balancing Anakin's unorthodox genius with his recklessness.
 
Most character development comes from the Clone troopers, Anakin pretty much stays the same. He has a slight arc from when first Taking on Ahsoka to when she leaves but since he's one of the movie characters nothing is drastically altered. if something major happened it would have screwed up Episode 3. Grevious' off camera stuff is different because in the movies he was not an already established film character.
Maybe "character development" wasn't the best way to put it. What I mean is that Filoni fags often seem to claim that TCW "saved" Anakin by making him a better, more sympathetic, more relatable character than Anakin as he appeared in AOTC/ROTS (or presumably, the EU/Clone Wars multimedia project). My impression is that this is just the usual fanboy apologetics, but I never really watched much of TCW while it was airing (in large part because of how insufferable Ahsoka is), and my work schedule doesn't really have space for binge-watching right now, so I don't have much basis to stake a claim. 🤔

He stays pretty much the same throughout. It's a shame, AotC era Anakin would have made for great conflict in the earlier seasons, because he should be a dumbass who has to learn restraint. Instead, his plans have a tendency to magically succeed, even when they're terribly thought out and risky as hell. The Malevolence arc is a good example of that. I get that it's a kids show, but Genndy Clone Wars did a better job of balancing Anakin's unorthodox genius with his recklessness.
Thanks for the info. 👍
 
He stays pretty much the same throughout. It's a shame, AotC era Anakin would have made for great conflict in the earlier seasons, because he should be a dumbass who has to learn restraint. Instead, his plans have a tendency to magically succeed, even when they're terribly thought out and risky as hell. The Malevolence arc is a good example of that. I get that it's a kids show, but Genndy Clone Wars did a better job of balancing Anakin's unorthodox genius with his recklessness.
Going through the reviews again.

This episode proves just how much 3d Grevious sucks.

This is one Chuck has great fun with.
"Find the assassin and die trying!"
 
Aside from the hamfisted Gamergate reference and a little bit of TLJ dicksucking, the Honest Trailer this week was pretty good overall. A quick summation of all the biggest problems with the movie, easy to digest for normies who don't want to sit through a three-hour point-by-point breakdown. I particularly enjoyed the montage of Plank of Wood's dramatic reveal face at the end.
It sure did. At the end Poe looks uneasy and Finn asks him about it. Poe says Leia thought Palpatine was defeated at Endor, but he came back and now he fears he'll come back again. Finn says it's possible, but he won't come back "for a long, long time." So yeah, they leave the door open for another return of Palpatine. In Empire's End (The Dark Empire comic, not the Wendig shit) Palpatine's spirit was captured by a dying Jedi after the death of Palpatine's last clone. The Jedi assures Luke that Palpatine will be locked in Hell, and that he will "never, ever return." We don't get that assurance in the TROS.
This really shows Disney's lack of faith in their own ability to create a suitable antagonist, or even a halfway decent one. They just gotta leave themselves a little bit of wiggle room so that if another villain flops out the gate, they can pull Sheev out of their back pocket and go "MEMBER STAR WARS?!!?!" Not only can they not stop themselves from hamfistedly plundering the EU for ideas, they can't help but leave the possibility of returning to the same exact shit. Truly incredible.
 
This really shows Disney's lack of faith in their own ability to create a suitable antagonist, or even a halfway decent one. They just gotta leave themselves a little bit of wiggle room so that if another villain flops out the gate, they can pull Sheev out of their back pocket and go "MEMBER STAR WARS?!!‽" Not only can they not stop themselves from hamfistedly plundering the EU for ideas, they can't help but leave the possibility of returning to the same exact shit. Truly incredible.

shit writers with an agenda gonna write shit villains, simple as that. if only anyone could figure out how to fix this...

I mean they don't even try anymore. like I mentioned before I played quite a bit of eafront recently, and holy fucking shit everything with the sequels is just pure shit. to make it even more obvious you also got OT stuff right next to it that simply works by not being shit. for example the announcer for the empire sounds like a dick - but that's it. meanwhile on the FO side you have it literally taking about executing everyone who resists and stamp out undesirables on some shit. OT rebels is what you'd expect from OT dialog, nuwars "resistance" is suddenly telling "you totalitarian scum" to not come back. like what?

then there's the heroes, OT dialog has nice banter, ST has... nothing. there isn't really anything they could've used because there simply isn't anything, down to the "iconic" emotes heroes are supposed to have are pretty much just random soundbites. like rey proclaiming "she needs no help" while even kylo has pieces that make him sound kinda vader-ish and fitting if you ignore anything else you know about the character.

oh and resistance in coop is utter shit, shit heroes and wonky balance. it's like even dice wants those fucktards to lose.

She must be part Zuckerberg.

in the cokeheads defense, there is even less she could've worked with than what hayden christensen had in the prequels (and got a lot of shit for). people like to meme hating sand, but man that's at least something. there's nothing in the sequels besides shitty MCU quip dialogs and even that is rare. "they fly now" is just verbal diarrhea, fuck of jj. as bad as lucas' writing was, it was at least memorable, good or bad.
 
It sure did. At the end Poe looks uneasy and Finn asks him about it. Poe says Leia thought Palpatine was defeated at Endor, but he came back and now he fears he'll come back again. Finn says it's possible, but he won't come back "for a long, long time." So yeah, they leave the door open for another return of Palpatine. In Empire's End (The Dark Empire comic, not the Wendig shit) Palpatine's spirit was captured by a dying Jedi after the death of Palpatine's last clone. The Jedi assures Luke that Palpatine will be locked in Hell, and that he will "never, ever return." We don't get that assurance in the TROS.
Pretty much what I suspected when I first found out about the film's ending. There is literally nothing stopping them from milking Palpatine from now until eternity while Dark Empire made it clear that his soul would remain imprisoned never to return, ensuring the ultimate evil of the galaxy never knew freedom again. Here its just an obvious set-up for another lameass sequel project in the future. Its like I said before, TFA set up a very moronic precedent by enforcing the idea that all SW movies have to be safe and distasteful retreads of ANH, ensuring that all future films likewise have to follow the exact same formula regardless if it makes sense, keeping Palpatine around as the fucking Mumm-Ra of Star Wars, always getting killed but always coming back to sell more toys in the same and predictable formula.
 
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