[26-Mar-2020] Philip's 341 Creditor Meeting - When what should be 5 minutes becomes an eternity.

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That's a weird tactic, though, since he very clearly reported the tips as part of his income filing.

We'll see in the coming months... but I think his tactic is to say that money comes and goes and is not something he can rely on, but when the trustee see's 6 months of earnings with very little variance I think she will know that's not true.
 
WHOW guys. Even in my most optimistic thinking, I did not expect this 341 meeting to go so poorly for Phil. This was unbelievably bad on so many levels. More on that later.

Could that line of questioning point to when he knew he was going to be insolvent?

Yes, and Phil screwed himself over here. Later on when the "Citibank guy" asked him about it, he said "middle of 2019" he doubly screwed himself. I think Nancy has a case that anything he spent on CC after April 2019 is going to be non-dischargeable.

Nancy clearly doesn't buy Phil's own assessment of his property. "your testimony then that the business machines that we went through that you indicated were all business assets, such as your-your various Playstation machines, if you were to liquidate those the value would be $1,500 ". In other words, "do you really expect me to believe that?". And Phil didn't help himself when he kept saying things were "old" because it just reinforces the fact that he knows they are worth more than $1,500. And he really didn't help himself when he said he uses it all exclusively for business, and has no personal property whatsoever. Like, could you be any more full of shit, Phil?

And for the business expenses. Nancy received some kind of worksheet from Phil with "various columns" that she couldn't make heads or tails of. Phil has the burden of proof to show his business expenses really are for the business. If she doesn't understand the accounting of it all, she isn't going to just take his word for it. She's going to look for real, specific, costs of things. And since Phil doesn't even have a separate business bank account, Nancy can just assume everything that isn't obviously a business expense (like Business Class internet) is personal. Microtransactions aren't going to fly, Phil, especially if they are purchased using a personal checking account/debit card.

Oh, and notice how he preemptively threw his tax attorney under the bus here... just in case things go south, his tax attorney said it was okay to write off those things as business expenses.

This whole meeting was an absolute goldmine of Phil's flailing bullshit. "Around" this much, "about" that time. No specificity. This is Phil's M.O. He doesn't give details because its "none of your business", but in reality, its because he's lying. If Phil wanted any chance to get this bankruptcy through, he should have been very clear and concise with Nancy and known all the answers to the questions. He did the exact opposite. Sorry Phil, but confusing the hell out of your Trustee isn't going to make your case any better. She's not a wheelchair, like most of your fans.
 
I just want to point out the best thing that could happen for @nohandsboi in this whole thing: Personally holding DSP to the fire and shaking loose the shekels they're owed as the Wakhando burns. This would be the DSP equivalent of owning one of Chris's medallions except this is like 13k in USD and not an autistic man's clay necklace.
I think he should have taken an angle on the false condo valuation.
 
If Phil was smart he would have at least thrown her a bone with the Switch.

"Oh sorry that one's actually my wife's but I use it to stream sometime."

Honestly Phil getting pissy about explaining what Twitch/Youtube are was funny too. When Phil cant read body language he apparently has to struggle to not go into disdainful streamer mode.

She knows what Twitch is, she did research on your ass.
 
Phil's Nintendo Switch is solely used for business related streaming services.

I wonder why his wife has a user profile set up on it. I haven't seen Kat on stream since 10-31-2018.

It's almost like the Switch is being used for personal entertainment and not just for business related functions.

"Because um.......I own my wife Kat and she is business related"

*Snoooooort*

"Is that a snort Mr.Burnell?"

"Ugh yes I have post nasal drip and it is also business related, okay?"
 
When Nancy was grilling Phil about the CT Kahndo she asked when was the last payment he made on it and shut his lawyer down when she tried to go to the paperwork and said she wanted his recollection on the matter. Could that line of questioning point to when he knew he was going to be insolvent?

I am sure she knows about the foreclosure that was filed in December and that shows he hasn't been paying since April like he said he was going to do when he came back Married with a 10 year plan and Mommies money.

Later in the call when Eills asks Phil when did he know he needed to file. Phil was completely confused and tried to say October and finally admitted that it was in the middle of 2019.(April)

Phil showed with that statement that he knew he was going bankrupt and he needed the CT Kahndo to be foreclosed or short saled and that it was his only out in April. He used his Credit cards on thousands of dollars in expenses for business and "bills" and groceries for 6 damn months before he went to an attorney who told him to freeze all lines of credit. Phil is thinking he is magical making 5k of expenses a month from April 2019 - October 2019 vanish.

Ellis followed it up with another dagger 🗡 asking Phil to explain how he has $5000 in expenses a month. Phil panicking tried to deflect by saying he already talked about business expenses ($1,500 a month and how the hell he hits that number monthly is even absurd). Ellis pressed again for and explanation of the overall $5,000 to be itemized and Phil and the lawyer deflect again saying they explained it already which they didn't explain $3,500 in expenses a month from October on.

TL;DR Phil knew Bankruptcy was coming as early as April 2019. He used his Credit cards from April-Oct. $5,000 a month $30,000 overall in that time. And he continued that $5k and $1,500 of that is for his business. Reaching that in overall expenses a month is crazy.
It's funny how he doesn't know the guy is legit or not but decides to call him stupid.
 
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So what happens now? Does the trustee go over what she requested, like the PayPal stuff, and she makes a determination on which chapter of bankruptcy he gets?
 
Phil's Nintendo Switch is solely used for business related streaming services.

I wonder why his wife has a user profile set up on it. I haven't seen Kat on stream since 10-31-2018.

It's almost like the Switch is being used for personal entertainment and not just for business related functions.

As is his PS Vita. His fans love those weekly throwback King of Retro point the camera at the screen Vita streams where he gets engrossed in pedoware like Gal Gun and his favorite virtual nahvels.

Real World BackSlydePhil was great in action. He believes, he imagines, he estimates.. the world isn't black and white in real time. Absolute cretin. I love it.

He also sounded 10 years younger over the phone when in reality he'll simply be wishing he was 10 years younger - not for an honest to god redo to try sort his life out though, just so he could be back at the starting line and blow the mountain of cash all over again.
 
6 months of paypal statements should disclose around $60,000 earned. It will also disclose near instant withdrawals of said money.

My question is, will the court then request receipts for those same 6 months to try and match up his "business expenses"? Also I feel the fact that he has one tax return for him and his "business" is going to bite him in the ass.

Also, he does grocery shopping once a week, is it possible he racks up $300+ bills because he is dropping hundreds on itunes gift cards to try and hide his addiction? At the end of the day he is going to have show where the bulk of his money goes (Scopely's pocket) and he may have no way too which is only going to screw him more.
 
Honestly Phil getting pissy about explaining what Twitch/Youtube are was funny too. When Phil cant read body language he apparently has to struggle to not go into disdainful streamer mode.

She knows what Twitch is, she did research on your ass.

He can't help but either be (1) condesending or (2) pigsplain everything.

DSP explained the definition of gross income to the trustee yesterday in an attempt to dodge the question of HOW he was calculating gross income. His lawyer had to step in because she knew DSP was being an idiot.

Edit: Cut out 10 seconds of dead air. My bad.

 
I'm confused. Why wouldn't Phil set up a bank account for his business and buy all his games and shit through that? I'm no expert on bankruptcy law, but it seems like that would make it a little harder for the courts to touch his shit.
 
I'm confused. Why wouldn't Phil set up a bank account for his business and buy all his games and shit through that? I'm no expert on bankruptcy law, but it seems like that would make it a little harder for the courts to touch his shit.

Hanlon's Razor. Stupidity and Laziness.

DSP only set up "Burnell Productions" in November 2017 once he realized that "his CT tax guy screwed him" and he needed to pay business taxes in Washington. DSP is only doing the bare minimum of legal things.

Hell, on the call yesterday, he needed weasel words. He said "he thinks his business is a sole proprietorship" in case he might have been wrong about that.

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He can't help but either be (1) condesending or (2) pigsplain everything.

DSP explained the definition of gross income to the trustee yesterday in an attempt to dodge the question of HOW he was calculating gross income. His lawyer had to step in because she knew DSP was being an idiot.

Edit: Cut out 10 seconds of dead air. My bad.

you can tell whatever this spreadsheet is, phil made it

MONTH PROFIT/INCOME GROSS GIN


I'm confused. Why wouldn't Phil set up a bank account for his business and buy all his games and shit through that? I'm no expert on bankruptcy law, but it seems like that would make it a little harder for the courts to touch his shit.

it gets weird with sole proprietorships, they aren't under any legal obligation to have a seperate business account
 
Also, he does grocery shopping once a week, is it possible he racks up $300+ bills because he is dropping hundreds on itunes gift cards to try and hide his addiction? At the end of the day he is going to have show where the bulk of his money goes (Scopely's pocket) and he may have no way too which is only going to screw him more.
That would imply he thought months, possibly years ahead about this bankruptcy. From what we've seen so far the first time Phil put serious thought into this bankruptcy was when he filled out the form, and that was just making up numbers to qualify for chapter 7.
 
The other interesting thing about Nancy asking for his PayPal records is that she will see any and all behind the scenes transactions he has been doing with those accounts. She will see if he moved money to hide it,

Nancy: "I'm looking at the PayPal account that you have sent me, one has Twitch Interactive Inc, sends you a check, then it looks like that same amount goes out, there's instant withdraw to debit card. How does that work?"

It looks like she's already caught on to these shenanigans. He's moving money from his PayPal to a debit card, and not just some of it, the entire amount. I'm sure she's going to want to see those debit card transactions, too. It seems from the testimony that most of the expenses are not paid out of this PayPal account.

Nancy: "You've provided me a copy of your PayPal account for one month, I would like to see the last six months of both of your Paypal statements. "

So Phil has two PayPal accounts, and only one of them Nancy has seen. What interesting goodies will she find in the other one, and looking back at the last six months? I wonder if the other PayPal account has all his tips in it, and she hasn't seen just how much money Phil actually makes.
 
That would imply he thought months, possibly years ahead about this bankruptcy. From what we've seen so far the first time Phil put serious thought into this bankruptcy was when he filled out the form, and that was just making up numbers to qualify for chapter 7.

Someone said it in another thread (sorry, there's four threads going on right now), but I honestly think it's true.

I think we know more about DSP's finances than DSP does, even today.

DSP didn't care about the books as long as he had his spending money. He probably just gave his "tax guy" a bunch of papers and let him deal with the IRS. This bankruptcy filing is probably the first time DSP has kept track of anything, and only the bare minimum that he has to. Listen to how many times the trustee asked him exact questions about his expenses or asset values and DSP had to guess "off the top of his head."

I'm surprised that only 4 or 5 trolls got involved. The dumbass that joined the call pretending to be a CitiBank creditor could possibly end up in jail.

Reminder: You don't need to IRL fuck with DSP. He will eventually fuck himself over. I'm not sure why that's so hard for some of you to understand...

He was clearly a troll, but I think he also had a legal right to be there as he did buy Citibank's debt for pennies. Forum admins are still verifying.

Now, I think the trustee made it clear he only had the right to ask about debts related to Citibank, which is why she shut down his question about DSP's business expenses in general: that's not legally revelant to his specific debts.
 
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