Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Radical Cadre]

Just seen an odd sight .
Little one man tractor , about the size of a ride on mower, driving down the street, spraying from a hand held nozzle.
The bloke wasn't in full HazMat gear, just normal hi viz workwear.
But he was too fast and haphazard to be doing a thorough job. Having to swerve to dodge cars parked on the pavement.

Could have been weedkilling I suppose, but, I've never seen that done like this before. And he was doing a shit casual job of that if that's what it was.

More like the half-arsed "lets do something" we've seen elsewhere.

I got a pic of him disappearing in the distance, but too shit to post. See if he comes back for the other side

You sure it wasn't Steve?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So where I am at today is that in my city we have a total of now 8 officially confirmed infected. The age range is scattered, first infected officially admitted to the hospital was a woman in her 60's. Rumor going around is that our one hospital has a floor full of em already, 50 or so, but the health unit is still waiting for test results. Test results have a median of 5 days and a maximum of 7 days, so in regards of testing we are at least a fucking week behind. So that one week lag in testing, on top of the 2 week incubation time, means in essence that we are probably at least 3 weeks behind in actually knowing the real numbers today. People are getting very pissed off with the local authority, considering that they are obviously bullshitting the locals, and the locals are not taking it too kindly. I live in a smaller community. not as densely populated, but we have a lot of Americans and Toronto people crossing through here every day. Most of the other confirmed cases are exactly that, people coming from Toronto or the US. I have a friend who I spoke with the other day on the phone that taps into the EMS and cop feeds, and he is hearing the viral pneomina cases being WAY HIGHER than reported.

The hospital back in January apparently already had COVID precautions in place. So very likely there has been community spread since the beginning of February, and now they are finally slowly coming out with the possibility that this thing has been spreading around like gonorrhea. Michigan getting hammered how it is doesn't surprise me, because of the population density. The American kids come DT and try to drink here too, and DT is notorious for being a filth/shit pit. So I can already assume that this thing has been around longer than anyone has realized, and the media hype made the sheeple who panic bought to all infect or reinfect each other. What a glorious shit show, I guess slowly preparing, and not jumping into crowds paid off for me this time. I guess all of those shit tickets and hand sanitizer did nothing to combat an aerosol based virus, that even blowing in the wind the wrong way could turn your lungs into glass.

That lag is honestly normal for any country with poor bureaucracy (which is most), and that spread seems honestly normal. Remember. A single outbreak here got us 50 mild cases 4 ICUs and a bunch of home quarantines (suspects), that's normal spread for bioaerosols (droplets included) this is within acceptable limits and not a real source of too much worry.

Has anyone posted this before? A major happening in China right now. Workers weren't allowed to go back to factories over coronavirus concerns despite the fact that they were promised to return to work soon. People are mad.

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archived 27 Mar 2020 15:44:53 UTC

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We've been wondering lately why the initial flood of video/media content from China seemingly dried up for a while.

This thread on twitter (archive) has a new batch of videos. They appear to show some incidents of civil unrest and border tensions between Hubei and Jiangxi provinces. Hubei has reportedly lifted its quarantine, but other provinces are pressing X hard.
I'll try to upload them here, hoping they'll show up while the site is under heavy load and media has limited functionality. I have local copies regardless, and the videos aren't large.

Edit: Somewhat ninja'd by @Autistic lurker

Spoiler: Citizen reports that police have set up cross-provincial checkpoints

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Spoiler: Angry citizen stomps on police cruiser

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Spoiler: Hubei citizens march to the border

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Spoiler: Riot police attempt to form a cordon

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Spoiler: Protesters surround a van and attack the occupants

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Spoiler: Protesters engage police with umbrellas and throw objects

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Spoiler: Some people rush the front line

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Spoiler: A police cruiser gets overturned

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Spoiler: Protest at a police station in Jiujiang City

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Spoiler: Government official attempts to calm an angry crowd

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Spoiler: Protesters overturn a police van

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Spoiler: Protesters clash with riot police

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No, no, no. Don't you people know? Those videos are racist, facts simply don't matter.
There is no virus in china.
There is no unrest in china.
Everyone is happy in china.
Everyone has a job in china.
There is no war in Ba Sing Sei.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

No, no, no. Don't you people know? Those videos are racist, facts simply don't matter.
There is no virus in china.
There is no unrest in china.
Everyone is happy in china.
Everyone has a job in china.
There is no war in Ba Sing Sei.

I think it's a perfect time to play this Chinese song, more relevant than ever.

 

[It's HK-47]

The Henry Ford Hospital System in Detroit posted this cheery message about triage:

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Edit: It's legit. Twitter (archive).

Henry Ford Health officials confirm letter outlining life and death protocols for COVID-19

Henry Ford Health Systems confirmed early Friday the accuracy of a letter being circulated by doctors and others on social media.

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(archive)

They've also clarified that it's a policy they drafted in case it was needed, but is not currently in effect.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

They are testing who HAS the virus. So even a korea is missing those who have HAD it. They’re only seeing a snapshot of current infections. Now that is without context of where you are in the progress of the epidemic.
The paper that says half may have had it relies on the assumption that 0.1% of cases have severe illness and I think everything points to that being far too low.
All the models are guesses until we have a widespread testing of a sample of the population for both current and past infection, and repeat that a few times.

DOES it though? Coronavirus has been spreading for months. Here's what we do know:

We know Coronavirus has been spreading since at least the middle of november in china.
We know that China did fuck all for a month to contain the spread, even then they let people leave wuhan and fly around the world for weeks before locking down.
We know this disease can survive on hard surfaces, can spread through the air, and is more infectious then typical flus.
We know that testing has been sporadic at best and atrocious at worse.

Now, while we dont know how far Corona as spread, we DO know how well other coronaviruses spread, and how other flus spread. We can make accurate estimates of infection numbers because we have been measuring them for decades. If we calculate the current spread of coronavirus, not hospitalizations, just confirmed cases, using other coronavirus examples, that leads to massive swaths of the population infected in order to spread the disease so far. A disease with 90K cases int he US isnt going to have a smattering across most counties.

And we know Corona is more infectious then other coronaviruses or flus. So why would we assume the case numbers were mysteriously lower? Past coronavirus/flu spread+asymptomatic transmission for several weeks+more aggressive spread=widespread infection. The large number of hospitalizations would be indicative of a disease that is running roughshot over the population, a pandemic already at its height, currently infecting tens of millions. Even in hard hit italy, its largely the hospitals in lombardy that are utterly overrun, the rest of the country has heavy case loads but not as bad as up north. If the hospitalization rate really was 20% and the fatality rate 1.2%, we would be seeing more evidence of it in countries like italy and s. korea. We would have seen 8x the number of deaths, easily, int he US by this point. And we would have, on our hands, a virus that can randomly skip all around the country with seemingly no line of transmission, making quarantine utterly useless. Hand washing and social distancing work because we know this thing transmits the same way other coronaviruses do, and thus we can use past coronavirus examples to model this new strain.

It is far more likely that the coronavirus has already infected hundreds of millions around the globe, not the 350,000 or whatever that is currently being reported, and that its death rate is nowhere near what people are speculating based on tests. I wouldnt be surprised if half the US wasnt already exposed to the disease.

 

[2021Murder]

whenever people bring up H1N1 i ask how many people required hospitalization. because its just under 20k in the US now. Same with the flu, how many people end up at the hospital for more than a week because of that? If they're dumb enough to bring up either they don't know so i usually just lie and say 10k. And then i tell them what the day is and how we still have 9 more months in the year.

 

[Cypher]

919 Deaths today in Italy.

 

[Autistic lurker]

Apparently it's neither a war nor riots. Remember kids, it's just a border dispute.



Though it can explain why police helping removing other police's cars.
You decide which is more likely, - a start of new revolution or just a stupidity and incompetence among chinese police authorities.

 

[Otterly]

It is far more likely that the coronavirus has already infected hundreds of millions around the globe, not the 350,000 or whatever that is currently being reported, and that its death rate is nowhere near what people are speculating based on tests. I wouldnt be surprised if half the US wasnt already exposed to the disease.

It is totally possible. It’s obvious that numbers In most places are at least 10x what’s reported and I think it’s obvious that the death rate of thats true is lower. Past that I just don’t know. The only thing that gives me pause is what’s happened in Iran and Italy. Is that perhaps the peak of a much wider, previously unseen wave?
We got to get testing. The cost is peanuts compared to the economic and human damage of not knowing and acting on poor data.

 

[Arctic Fox]

Apparently it's neither a war nor riots. Remember kids, it's just a border dispute.
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Tiananmen Square 2 when?

 

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How Accurate Are The State's Wuhan Virus Numbers, Anyway?

Louisiana's Wuhan virus case and death numbers are wildly out of line with neighboring states and the national average, and it looks like they're inflated.

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So. Have any of the states been caught inflating numbers to pwn Trump / get more funding / resources yet?

Because if you give a bunch of bureaucrats a political or financial incentive for those numbers to be big, they're gonna balloon.

Just an update on positive co-worker. The hospital (Staten Island University Hospital) is so overwhelmed they are releasing this co-worker. I'm livid because staff said hes still contagious and they basically just told him to promise to self quarantine. Hes already planning to go shopping tomorrow and really doesn't care about PPE or anything because as he put it "I don't care, I already got it". Two days ago he needed supplemental O2 and could barely talk, he even wanted to stop by the office to pick up things up to work remotely. I feel like the mentality here in NYC is just "fuck it and let everyone get it"

NYC are bugmen confirmed. Is it the large cities that do it to people, I wonder?

 

[Bob's Fuckass Head]

Apologies if late, but Boris Johnson is being reported as having tested positive for Kung Flu. (archive)

Spoiler: From the article: BoJo states he will continue working

"So I am working from home. I'm self-isolating," Johnson said. "Be in no doubt that I can continue, thanks to the wizardry of modern technology, to communicate with all my top team to lead the national fightback against coronavirus."

ETA: That's what I get for skimming the thread poorly.

 

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Has anyone posted this before? A major happening in China right now. Workers weren't allowed to go back to factories over coronavirus concerns despite the fact that they were promised to return to work soon. People are mad.

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How can this be? China has ZERO NEW INFECTIONS FOREVER. Xi's CCP told us all that repeatedly, the WHO confirmed it, and neither of them would EVER lie to us!

 

[Not Really Here]

What are the odds that the so called reinfections are people that were cleared too early? I dunno how diseases work.

In China? I would give good odds on greed and incompetence in that order. 'No money? get out!'.
Reinfection can happen depending on the person, what anti-bodies their immune system made and if they encountered a mutated version their anti-bodies don't work for.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

whenever people bring up H1N1 i ask how many people required hospitalization. because its just under 20k in the US now. Same with the flu, how many people end up at the hospital for more than a week because of that? If they're dumb enough to bring up either they don't know so i usually just lie and say 10k. And then i tell them what the day is and how we still have 9 more months in the year.

60,000 died. Based on ICU numbers and hospitalization rate, the total number of hospitalizations was likely over 250,000 for the US alone. This is based on 49% of hospitalizations requiring ICU care for H1N1 and the number of pneumonia infections that were not initially linked to H1N1.

Official hospitalization rate of H1N1 was 0.49%. The disease is confirmed to have infected 57 million americans. So that is 279300 hospitalizations before adding in pneumonia hospitalizations that would have resulted from undetected H1N1 infections.

It is totally possible. It’s obvious that numbers In most places are at least 10x what’s reported and I think it’s obvious that the death rate of thats true is lower. Past that I just don’t know. The only thing that gives me pause is what’s happened in Iran and Italy. Is that perhaps the peak of a much wider, previously unseen wave?
We got to get testing. The cost is peanuts compared to the economic and human damage of not knowing and acting on poor data.

I honestly believe that the disease was spreading in italy for several weeks before the first nasty cases presented themselves. By the time lockdowns went into effect, the disease had already achieved an infection level that allows it to spread despite quarantines. It wouldnt surprise me if the total infection count in italy is over 10 million.

Italian culture has also made the situation much worse. The touchy feely greetings and multi generational living gave the disease a vector straight into the most vulnerable populations, a vector that is far less common in other parts of the world. The "hug a chinese" campaign also didnt help, and the presence of hundreds of thousands of chinese sweatshop laborers in northern italy gave the disease a straight vector into the heavily populated parts of italy.

Iran is an utter shithole. Decades of sanctions have rendered many of their healthcare systems obsolete, even without those sanctions iran has utterly failed to recognize that dealing with the virus is the correct move, the government still refuses to recognize a pandemic. They are a great example of how much worse it could have been in the west if we took no measures whatsoever.

 

[Exbein]

Close friends of mine and family members are spouting CCP propaganda. They're talking openly about this being an escaped bioweapon from Fort Dietrich, that we planted it to destroy the Chinese economy, that it really started with US vapers, that we have done nothing to prevent this from killing Americans and Trump is only concerned with the economy. And Racism, calling this a Chinese virus is just violence against people that don't look like me.

I listen to what they say and it's like I'm on another planet. When did it become cool to allow another country to murder Americans or poison the minds of the youth?

Just call on their bullshit and ask them how can they believe CCP propaganda when they still havent admitted on Tiananmen Square.

 

[la mort]

Edit: This is apparently fake news

A 16-years-old girl with no previous underlying condition is the youngest coronavirus victim in Europe.

Source / Archive
Full article in English here.

“It’s unbearable,” the girl’s mother, Sabine, told Agence France-Presse (AFP). “We were meant to have an ordinary life.”

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[Slap47]

Close friends of mine and family members are spouting CCP propaganda. They're talking openly about this being an escaped bioweapon from Fort Dietrich, that we planted it to destroy the Chinese economy, that it really started with US vapers, that we have done nothing to prevent this from killing Americans and Trump is only concerned with the economy. And Racism, calling this a Chinese virus is just violence against people that don't look like me.

I listen to what they say and it's like I'm on another planet. When did it become cool to allow another country to murder Americans or poison the minds of the youth?

China opened up to the capitalism and acquired a freakish amount of wealth. With that wealth they have been mastering the art of soft power.

NYT, Washington Post, CBC... all want those sexy Chinese dollars or serve governments that do.

Trump has hammed up distrust of the media and the progressive overreaction has been to blindly believe the media.

Perfect storm.

 

[Mikoyan]

The Henry Ford Hospital System in Detroit posted this cheery message about triage:

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Edit: It's legit. Twitter (archive).

Henry Ford Health officials confirm letter outlining life and death protocols for COVID-19

Henry Ford Health Systems confirmed early Friday the accuracy of a letter being circulated by doctors and others on social media.

www.freep.com

(archive)

Even though this is apparently not being done yet, this speaks a lot to how bad things have gotten in SE Michigan. And I was wondering how the hell it got this bad... Then the statistics started to show why. Wayne county is disproportionately represented, which isn't too surprising given population density, but Detroit proper is most of the cases, despite having a smaller population.

All I can think of is just as the closures started, the, ah, Detroit resident we had up our way at a gas station outside a market, coughing up a storm (30' downwind of me, thankfully) , asking the attendant between coughs when this store gon' be open.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Chief Medical Officer, Chris Whitty now has started to show symptoms of the Kung Flu and is self isolating.

Press conference was handled by Micheal Gove and Simon Stevens, head of NHS England.

Seems it's Gove who's stepping into the PM's role for the time being. Constitutionally it's supposed to be Dominic Raab, the Foreign Secretary. Probably because he's the one with the most contact with other world leaders after the Prime Minister.