Disaster The US is losing its world superpower status due to its failure to lead on the Covid-19 crisis – and this time, it might not recover - China? This was always America's Chernobyl, citizen!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ne-coronavirus-brazil-bolsonaro-a9430566.html

The US is losing its world superpower status due to its failure to lead on the Covid-19 crisis – and this time, it might not recover

As exemplified by the coronavirus pandemic, the end of US hegemony is less to do with economics and military strength and everything to do with Trump’s inability to cope with a real global crisis

The US may be reaching its “Chernobyl moment” as it fails to lead in combating the coronavirus epidemic. As with the nuclear accident in the Soviet Union in 1986, a cataclysm is exposing systemic failings that have already weakened US hegemony in the world. Whatever the outcome of the pandemic, nobody is today looking to Washington for a solution to the crisis.

The fall in US influence was visible this week at virtual meetings of world leaders where the main US diplomatic effort was devoted to an abortive attempt to persuade the others to sign a statement referring to the “Wuhan virus”, as part of a campaign to blame China for the coronavirus epidemic. Demonising others as a diversion from one’s own shortcomings is a central feature of President Trump’s political tactics. Arkansas Republican senator Tom Cotton took up the same theme, saying that “China unleashed this plague on the world, and China has to be held accountable”.

US failure goes far beyond Trump’s toxic political style: American supremacy in the world since the Second World War has been rooted in its unique capacity to get things done internationally by persuasion or by the threat or use of force. But the inability of Washington to respond adequately to Covid-19 shows that this is no longer the case and crystallises a perception that American competence is vanishing. The change in attitude is important because superpowers, such as the British Empire, the Soviet Union in the recent past or the US today, depend on a degree of bluff. They cannot afford to put their all-powerful image to the test too often because they cannot be seen to fail: an exaggerated picture of British strength was shattered by the Suez Crisis in 1956, as was that of the Soviet Union by the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

The coronavirus crisis is the equivalent of Suez and Afghanistan for Trump’s America. Indeed, these crises seem minor compared to the Covid-19 pandemic, which will have far greater impact because everybody on the planet is a potential victim and feels threatened. Faced with such a mega-crisis, the failure of the Trump administration to lead responsibly is proving extraordinarily destructive to the US position in the world.

The decline of the US is usually seen as the counterpart to the rise of China – and China has, at least for the moment, successfully got a grip on its own epidemic. It is the Chinese who are sending ventilators and medical teams to Italy and face masks to Africa. Italians note that the other EU states all ignored Italy’s desperate appeal for medical equipment and only China responded. A Chinese charity sent 300,000 face masks to Belgium in a container on which was written the slogan “Unity Makes Strength” in French, Flemish and Chinese.

Such exercises in “soft power” may have limited influence once the crisis is over, though this is likely to be a long time coming. But, while it does so, the message is going out that China can provide essential equipment and expertise at a critical moment and the US cannot. These changes in perception are not going to disappear overnight.

Prophecies that the US is in a state of decline have been two a penny almost as long as the US emerged from the Second World War as the greatest superpower. Yet the much-heralded downfall of the American empire has kept being postponed or has seen others decline even faster, notably the Soviet Union. Critics of “US decline-ism” explain that, while the US may no longer dominate the world economy to the degree it once did, it still has 800 bases around the world and a military budget of $748bn.

Yet the inability of the US military to use its technical prowess to win wars in Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq has shown how little it has got in return for its vast expenditure.

Trump has not started any wars despite his bellicose rhetoric, but he has used the power of the US Treasury rather than the Pentagon. By imposing tight economic sanctions on Iran and threatening other countries with economic warfare, he has demonstrated the degree to which the US controls the world financial system.

But these arguments about the rise or decline of the US as an economic and military power miss a more important point that should be obvious. The very real decline of the US as a global power, as exemplified by the coronavirus pandemic crisis, has less to do with guns and money than many suppose, and much more to do with Trump himself as both the symptom and cause of American decline.

Put simply, the US is no longer a country that the rest of the world wants to emulate or, if they do, the emulators tend to be authoritarian nativist demagogues or despots. Their admiration is warmly welcomed: witness Trump’s embrace of the Hindu nationalist Indian prime minister Narendra Modi and his cultivation of the younger generation of tyrants such as Kim Jung-un in North Korea and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia.

Democratic and despotic rulers will, at least at first, be strengthened by the pandemic, since in times of acute crisis people want to see their governments as saviours who know what they are doing.

But demagogues like Trump and his equivalents around the world are seldom much good at handling real crises, because they have risen to power by exploiting ethnic and sectarian hatreds, scapegoating their opponents and boosting their own mythical achievements.

An example of this is Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, who accuses his opponents and the media of “tricking” Brazilians about the dangers of coronavirus. Such is the government’s laxity in enforcing any type of lockdown in Rio de Janeiro that in at least three slums, only the local drugs cartels have stepped in to declare and enforce an 8pm curfew.

Trump has always excelled in exploiting and exacerbating divisions in American society and producing simple-minded solutions to mythical crises, such as building the famous wall to stop the entry of Central American migrants into the US. But now he is faced with a real crisis, he is gambling that it will be of short duration and less severe than most experts predict. Polls show that his popularity has risen, probably because frightened people prefer to hear good news rather than bad. So far, the worst outbreaks of the illness have been in New York, Boston and other cities where Trump never had much support. If it spreads with the same intensity to Texas and Florida, then the loyalty of even Trump’s core supporters may evaporate.

The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as Trump is in power. Hitherto he has avoided provoking serious crises, and his mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic shows that he was wise to do so. He is polarising an already divided country and this is the real reason for the decline of the US.

An example of this is Brazil’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro, who accuses his opponents and the media of “tricking” Brazilians about the dangers of coronavirus. Such is the government’s laxity in enforcing any type of lockdown in Rio de Janeiro that in at least three slums, only the local drugs cartels have stepped in to declare and enforce an 8pm curfew.

Trump has always excelled in exploiting and exacerbating divisions in American society and producing simple-minded solutions to mythical crises, such as building the famous wall to stop the entry of Central American migrants into the US. But now he is faced with a real crisis, he is gambling that it will be of short duration and less severe than most experts predict. Polls show that his popularity has risen, probably because frightened people prefer to hear good news rather than bad. So far, the worst outbreaks of the illness have been in New York, Boston and other cities where Trump never had much support. If it spreads with the same intensity to Texas and Florida, then the loyalty of even Trump’s core supporters may evaporate.

The reason why the US is weaker as a country is because it is divided and these divisions will get deeper as long as Trump is in power. Hitherto he has avoided provoking serious crises, and his mishandling of the coronavirus epidemic shows that he was wise to do so. He is polarising an already divided country and this is the real reason for the decline of the US.

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Did I call it or what? "Blaming China for the coronavirus is demagogery trying to distract from America failing"
 
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The US doesn't have the will to deal with the virus. China may be an authoritarian shithole, but the benefit of that is that they can respond much more quickly, efficiently, and ruthlessly than any liberal democracy. Americans don't understand this though because they are a nation of people who want to have their cake and eat it: They think they can have both security and liberty. China will soon be virus-free while America's economy continues to be crippled for years.
 
Gotta remember that Mao was definitely a communist at the very least. He wasn't a LARPer or anything, he at the very least had genuine communist ideas and beliefs.
Mao ordered a ton of incompatible grains planted together on the same land to "foster class-solidarity among the Five Cereals". Then the seedlings choked each other and everyone but the Party bosses starved.

No shit he was a communist.
 
LOL, what do you think? The media was filled to the brim with Communist cocksuckers going back to at least the 1930s, as well as academia and government.


I tried to tell another psuedo American leftist intellectual exactly this and they accused me of word salad.

I thought...."ok there, oh great and mighty thinker of the farms of kiwi".

Mao ordered a ton of incompatible grains planted together on the same land to "foster class-solidarity among the Five Cereals". Then the seedlings choked each other and everyone but the Party bosses starved.

No shit he was a communist.

Have you noticed that old and new current communists ( even on here) really are dumb as fuck? I mean clownishly so? As if they're proud to look like dipshits with not even a 2nd grade education.
 
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The US doesn't have the will to deal with the virus. China may be an authoritarian shithole, but the benefit of that is that they can respond much more quickly, efficiently, and ruthlessly than any liberal democracy. Americans don't understand this though because they are a nation of people who want to have their cake and eat it: They think they can have both security and liberty. China will soon be virus-free while America's economy continues to be crippled for years.

China has one of the highest body counts of any country on Earth from this. While the United States may now have the most confirmed cases of infected, we don't have the amount of deaths from COVID-19 that China does.

Even with the common Eurotrash gripes of the American obesity epidemic and the privatized healthcare system, we're far behind China on the amount of corpses left by this pandemic. Even the European Union has had more deaths thanks to a much older population, especially in Italy, the hardest hit of the Western nations.

In the United States and most of the Western world, the bulk of deaths in this pandemic have been the elderly and people with preexisting conditions involving the respiratory or immune systems, while in China, there are masses of young people who have been dying from this virus due to the rampant industrial air pollution that would put the Victorians to shame.

Unlike the United States, China's economy is very lopsided and its economic prosperity is the one thing that's keeping the PRC from collapsing in on itself or at least devolving into a civil war.

The US economy will make a full recovery in a few years, a decade at the absolute most. China will still be reeling from this for decades after, or at least the CCP will.

The idea of China overtaking the United States as the world's hegemonic superpower is broken by this pandemic. But I do think China will always be a major regional power and one of the world powers, much like how Russia became after the Soviet Union collapsed.

Really, I think we're going to be headed to the old order of multiple "Great Powers" as opposed to one or two superpowers. Superpowers are very much a historical anomaly in the grand scheme of things.

The only civilization that could even resemble a superpower in the pre-1945 world would be Ancient Rome during the Pax Romana, at least in Western history.
 
The US doesn't have the will to deal with the virus. China may be an authoritarian shithole, but the benefit of that is that they can respond much more quickly, efficiently, and ruthlessly than any liberal democracy. Americans don't understand this though because they are a nation of people who want to have their cake and eat it: They think they can have both security and liberty. China will soon be virus-free while America's economy continues to be crippled for years.

You mean, China's success with a pandemic is their callousness with humanitarian rights of their people? Hell, let the peasants die instead naturally. Board up all government and funds and let the people get ravaged. That's more humanitarian. Not using their sick people as opportunities to steal from them or use them as unwittingly test subjects.

At least we have in America "right to try" a test drug where the patient is asked if they want to participate.
 
Have you noticed that old and new current communists ( even on here) really are dumb as fuck? I mean clownishly so? As if they're proud to look like dipshits with not even a 2nd grade education.

The farther they make it in public education, the greater their inability to see through China's sinister bullshit.
 
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You mean, China's success with a pandemic is their callousness with humanitarian rights of their people? Hell, let the peasants die instead naturally. Board up all government and funds and let the people get ravaged. That's more humanitarian. Not using their sick people as opportunities to steal from them or use them as unwittingly test subjects.

At least we have in America "right to try" a test drug where the patient is asked if they want to participate.

Yes, Americans also believe they have the right to spread their virus around and hoard hand sanitizer to put others at risk because MUH FREEDOMS. You sold your government to corporations decades ago, they'll let you all die to save their precious DOW and the best part is you all deserve it.
 
China has one of the highest body counts of any country on Earth from this. While the United States may now have the most confirmed cases of infected, we don't have the amount of deaths from COVID-19 that China does.

Even with the common Eurotrash gripes of the American obesity epidemic and the privatized healthcare system, we're far behind China on the amount of corpses left by this pandemic. Even the European Union has had more deaths thanks to a much older population, especially in Italy, the hardest hit of the Western nations.
Yeah, we got a shit ton of infections, and the doomsayers are yammering about there being no more morgue space in NYC, but, consider that even in our most populous city, where this is as bad as you'll see it, we don't have 10,000 dead, we don't even have 1,000 (yet, I'm sure we will cross that line by the time this burns out, but in a city of MILLIONS, that's, not to be callous, good work considering how many came down with it)


Even the UK has managed to keep the death toll down even though new infections are doubling every 3 days... so I don't see what this guy's problem is. All things considered, We're okay, You're okay. Must be just another frustrated commie that can't believe capitalism is once again proving resilient to the wet dream of every street revolutionary.... it just won't collapse.

The real one getting hammered by this and losing it's place among the world elite is the EU which has done nothing to help Italy except pretend it doesn't exist, focusing their energies on admitting Albania to the Union despite the fact the place has an economy more dismal than Greece..... 88% of Italians say the EU has been unhelpful in their time of need, I called Italexit by this summer back in the beginning of March, prove me wrong.

China is going to take a huge hit, denial, "traditional" medicine and a population that's on the whole immunosuppresed through stress, pollution, overwork and bad diet mean they are suffering the highest death rate most likely, at this point the CCP is hiding it from angry people to prevent an angry mob as much as to make the west look bad.

And the Boys from Brussels won't survive it, well, THEY will, but their grand United States of Europe is now officially dead, they just dont' know it yet.
 
Yes, Americans also believe they have the right to spread their virus around and hoard hand sanitizer to put others at risk because MUH FREEDOMS. You sold your government to corporations decades ago, they'll let you all die to save their precious DOW and the best part is you all deserve it.

Who was it that built the trans continental railroad from New York to San Fran? The government or railroad corporations? If we'd waited on n.v the government, we'd still be riding appaloosas and flapping our arms to go cross country.
Muh freedoms? You mean like the ones that say you better leave me the damn fuck alone or else? Like the right to life liberty and the pursuit if happiness? If you hate it here, move to China, dumbass.
 
Who was it that built the trans continental railroad from New York to San Fran? The government or railroad corporations? If we'd waited on n.v the government, we'd still be riding appaloosas and flapping our arms to go cross country.
Muh freedoms? You mean like the ones that say you better leave me the damn fuck alone or else? Like the right to life liberty and the pursuit if happiness? If you hate it here, move to China, dumbass.
Outside of the fact that the federal government gave the land to the railroad corps, they were major financiers in both of the ones responsible for the transcontinental railroad. They paid Union Pacific anywhere from $16 to $48k per mile of track.
Really that project, and a lot of other Gilded Age public planning, was the start of the uncomfortable tangling of our government with private industry.
 
China has one of the highest body counts of any country on Earth from this. While the United States may now have the most confirmed cases of infected, we don't have the amount of deaths from COVID-19 that China does.

Even with the common Eurotrash gripes of the American obesity epidemic and the privatized healthcare system, we're far behind China on the amount of corpses left by this pandemic. Even the European Union has had more deaths thanks to a much older population, especially in Italy, the hardest hit of the Western nations.

In the United States and most of the Western world, the bulk of deaths in this pandemic have been the elderly and people with preexisting conditions involving the respiratory or immune systems, while in China, there are masses of young people who have been dying from this virus due to the rampant industrial air pollution that would put the Victorians to shame.

Unlike the United States, China's economy is very lopsided and its economic prosperity is the one thing that's keeping the PRC from collapsing in on itself or at least devolving into a civil war.

The US economy will make a full recovery in a few years, a decade at the absolute most. China will still be reeling from this for decades after, or at least the CCP will.

The idea of
Outside of the fact that the federal government gave the land to the railroad corps, they were major financiers in both of the ones responsible for the transcontinental railroad. They paid Union Pacific anywhere from $16 to $48k per mile of track.
Really that project, and a lot of other Gilded Age public planning, was the start of the uncomfortable tangling of our government with private industry.

Cause what was going on at the time? Civil war. The govenment didn't have the manpower or the time to do it. They were even piss poor at protecting the workers from Indian raids.
Piss poor at keeping land treaties with settlers and peaceful indian tribes.
Piss poor effort. That was US government in the 19th century.
 
Who was it that built the trans continental railroad from New York to San Fran? The government or railroad corporations? If we'd waited on n.v the government, we'd still be riding appaloosas and flapping our arms to go cross country.
Muh freedoms? You mean like the ones that say you better leave me the damn fuck alone or else? Like the right to life liberty and the pursuit if happiness? If you hate it here, move to China, dumbass.

Your country is literally begging the government right now to print 2 trillion dollars to save the economy. And after your government bails out your worthless ass you'll go right back to pretending it was MUH FREE UNREGULATED MARKET that prevented you from starving to death like a typical libertarian parasite.
 
Your country is literally begging the government right now to print 2 trillion dollars to save the economy. And after your government bails out your worthless ass you'll go right back to pretending it was MUH FREE UNREGULATED MARKET that prevented you from starving to death like a typical libertarian parasite.

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I never said I was libertarian. My country is your effing money maker, so starting shaking your geisha tailfeather and smile like you mean it.
 
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