Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

Stop fucking sperging. You can get your opinions and concepts across without using yourself as an example.

I have to ask though, is feeding into more childish alters a healthy thing? Is it something to encourage in a clinical sense when in therapy? And by extention is it a good thing for her audience, especially those who claim to experience DID like hers, allows her to expose these child alters in the ways she does on her channel?
if it makes you feel any better those aren't the actual names of my alters and some information is edited. i will try though.

i wouldn't call it feeding into them. alters exist whether you want them to or not. if you try to ignore them, they just become more persistent and soon enough you lose control. it's better to bargain with them and decide when is an appropriate time for a particular alter to be out and set boundaries with them, though not everyone has perfect (if any) control over when and where. relationships have to be mutually beneficial otherwise you're just going to fight. establishing equal ground is how you get good with your system and work toward intergration and less amnesia, so yes, embracing alters is encouraged. it's the only way DID gets better. i don't see anything wrong with child alters being on the channel but i also don't see anything wrong with keeping them off of it. they're kids and they should focus on being kids. not correcting decades of stigma. but if you allow people to see child alters doing what they want and the kids are cool with it, why not? it only provides more information to the general public and that's a positive thing as long as the child is happy and not being harmed.

Y'know what, fair enough. You have a good point. However, I still have an issue with the physical dysphoria people experience in regards to height, skin color, eye color, etc. How does that happen? If Joe is all of those things, how is he suddenly 6'5'' or native-American or have brown hair, how could he be a man if the host is woman, etc? How do they develop accents? That seems a bit too odd because those things are innate to a person or they take time to developed and would develop for the host as well. You cannot form height or skin color, you just have it. And accents take a long time to form.
alters develop accents because sometimes, stay with me here, they have have backstories or sometimes fit people's images of what certain kind of person should look like. Jo could be a white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes because that's what the Brain envisions a successful business man to look like. he could be a man because the brain believes a man is more desireable in a work place and less susceptible to emotional breakdowns. now, i'm not saying any of those stereotypes are true but people think that way. everyone has their own personal image of what something should. when you think of apple pie do you just see the slice of pie on the plate? maybe one person envisions it as a warm slice and another sees it with a scoop of icecream. appearances also change as these alters grow. just like how someone grows out of their emo phase and stops painting their nails black. Maybe Joe grows to be more of a laid back person a has a tattoo now. Joe does not see the physical body as his own because when he looks in the mirror it's not him that he sees. he knows how he looks and the body is not it. it rarely is for alters.

DID is so complex that in the mind there is what's called an inner-world. and in the inner-world alters look like themselves and do what they want. i could go on about this stuff forever. there is just so much to it.

also for accents, an alter could have an accent if they were formed in the place when that accent is found. you could be originally from new york and have new yorker accent but then move to georgia and happen to form a alter while there. techincally that alter is from georgia and therefore it makes sense they'd have a southern accent. but it doesn't always work this way. alters vary greatly.

finally, body dysphoria with alters is just like with trans people or non-binaries. a male alter in a female body will usually wear a binder or pack. but again this varies alter to alter.

Okay, fair enough. I can buy that. But there are two things about alters like Chloe's that make no sense whatsoever to me: First of all, I understand having an "older" protective alter or a child alter. Makes sense to me. But these people are essentially born inside of you and are unconscious most of the time, only getting to "front" every once in a while. How the fuck does someone like that get such a clear idea of time that they can confidently say they are X years old? The second issue I have with this is that they sound like people that previously used to exist outside of you and were then somehow sucked into your skull. Why do they describe their physical appearance? They all look like Chloe because they ARE a part of Cloe. Surely they must be aware of that? If you woke up tomorrow inside a petite English girl's body, I don't know how you would come to the conclusion that you are "Asian". No idea about any Asian cultures, speaks no Asian languages, but sure buddy. You're a balding Asian dude.




I find it awfully convenient that if you have TWENTY-TWO minds floating around in your skull that they are all co-conscious all the time, can all finish each other's train of thought, can be switched out at will, and you never wake up in the middle of buttfuck nowhere not knowing how you got there nor what you were doing there. Or with a buzzcut because one of your alters hated your long hair. Or with your Youtube channel deleted. Like I said before, if you have created 22 completely different personalities for the purpose of self-protection, you'd think at least one of them would want to get off a platform where people might question your trauma and be incredibly hateful towards you. Some neurotypical people get bullied off the internet, I don't want to imagine how it is like for someone who has so many mental health problems.

I assume Chloe collectively made the decision with her system to do youtube. that is typically how big choices are made in a system. before you buzzcut the body's head, you're supposed to ask everyone and come to a compromise. but of course you can't always please everyone so those who are opposed either don't participate, give you a hard time about it, or find some sort of middle ground.

the thing is that if you watch some of her vids, when she has a switch, she is sometimes confused and other times not. it depends on who the switch is with and her communication with that person. no one is co-con with that many people at once. you wouldn't be able to hear anything anyone was saying if all 22 people were talking at once. it doesn't take co-conciousness to pick up a train of thought, just good communication because then there is no amnesia wall to make you confused. Chloe is closest to Kyle and if you watch vids where he switches in, you barely notice him popping up because he and Chloe are so close that the switch is virtually seamless.

alters have an image of what they look like because their appearance is tied to their initial role. If Chloe needed a physical protector, maybe that alter would see himself as a muscly lumberjack who's 6'5 because in Chloe's brain, that's her image of what a protector should look like.

Ages are determined in many ways. it could be literally how long that alter has existed, some alters age slower, some stop aging and then start again, some alters have actual birthdays. Age can also be tried to personal development. an alter can over a large obstacle and come other the other side feeling wiser and then "boom!" they age. maybe if a laid back alter is needed, they're formed as teenager who, at that age, doesn't take life too seriously. and they could stay a teenager for god knows how long unless they some method of aging.

so they don't look like Chloe. they have their own physical appearance and when they are in the body and look in the mirror, they see Chloe. when they are inside they are themselves.
 
I assume Chloe collectively made the decision with her system to do youtube. that is typically how big choices are made in a system. before you buzzcut the body's head, you're supposed to ask everyone and come to a compromise.

So you basically set up a straw poll inside your own head? And everybody plays nice all the time and votes democratically? Everybody gets a say despite these super convenient "amnesia walls"? Are there no impulsive alters? Or rebellious ones? Or even just plain immature ones? Even the children, who are selfish by nature, always go along with what everyone else wants? Everyone always accepts every decision even if it causes harm to some alters? Wow, it's like there are no downsides to this debilitating mental disorder!

it doesn't take co-conciousness to pick up a train of thought, just good communication because then there is no amnesia wall to make you confused.

How do you go from having blackouts/not even knowing that you have the disorder to having such excellent communication with pretty much anybody? Why are these amnesia walls only there when it's convenient?

alters have an image of what they look like because their appearance is tied to their initial role.

What role does an anorexic Asian have? Wouldn't having to pretend to be someone from a different culture you know jack shit about not needlessly complicate things rather than facilitate your own existence?

If Chloe needed a physical protector, maybe that alter would see himself as a muscly lumberjack who's 6'5 because in Chloe's brain, that's her image of what a protector should look like.

Oh so you get to pick and choose? Sounds more like creating a tulpa. Or, y know, role-playing.

Ages are determined in many ways. it could be literally how long that alter has existed, some alters age slower, some stop aging and then start again, some alters have actual birthdays. Age can also be tried to personal development. an alter can over a large obstacle and come other the other side feeling wiser and then "boom!" they age. maybe if a laid back alter is needed, they're formed as teenager who, at that age, doesn't take life too seriously. and they could stay a teenager for god knows how long unless they some method of aging.

Sounds needlessly complicated and I have no idea how that would help you protect yourself from trauma.

so they don't look like Chloe. they have their own physical appearance and when they are in the body and look in the mirror, they see Chloe. when they are inside they are themselves.

When they are in the body? So you guys really have a hubworld inside your minds where you like chill in the hot tub and have a couple of beers, and every now and then you draw straws to see who gets the shit job of having to file the taxes? Doesn't sound like role-playing at all.
 
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Jesus christ you fucking idiot, learn how to edit your original post to contain your autistic fantasy and stop shitting up the thread. Or better yet, just fuck off. Did not read a damn word.
 
I've noticed quite a lot of new forum users appearing in this thread with brand new accounts, only posting in this thread - care to share where you all have come from?
Chloe's "meet the alters" videos were in my recommended a year or two ago. I watched a few, realized it was bullshit, and never thought about it again. Then, Trisha Paytas made her own malingering DID video and people started attacking her and praising Chloe and it annoyed me into googling "DissociaDID fake" and this thread was near the top.

That being said, I would take anyone showing up claiming to know her with a grain of salt. It seems like Chloe googles herself very often because every reddit post thats been made about her seems to have a reply by someone who "knows" her.

She probably spends a great deal of time doing damage control to stop from becoming the next Autumn Asphodel.
 
can you shut the fuck up you delusional tard
also dont use the same username everywhere i found your fucking roblox account
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if that isnt you, point still remains: shut the fuck up, and get some help Heather, Victoria, or Quantum?
Likely tumblr: https://cinnasin.tumblr.com/ (a)
Filled with weeb fanfaction and headcanon. Confirmed for complete and utter fantasist
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Hey @CinnaSin dis one of those flashbacks you were talking about? uwu
 
Likely tumblr: https://cinnasin.tumblr.com/ (a)
Filled with weeb fanfaction and headcanon. Confirmed for complete and utter fantasist
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Hey @CinnaSin dis one of those flashbacks you were talking about? uwu

When someone mentions PTSD and flashbacks, this isn't what I had in mind

Also @CinnaSin "the patreon money is for her living costs" average amount you get for being disabled in the north of England is £1,100 a month. The south is significantly higher, you also get your rent for free paid by the council. So if you can't live off £1,100+ a month with your rent being paid, I don't know what you're doing, but you're living beyond your means.

Source: I know many genuinely disabled people in the UK - I am a carer & deal with their finances a lot of the time.
 
What the fuck is with Tumblr users and having their names be the same on this site? Can't cure the 'tism I suppose. However, I don't think that's them. I scrolled down a little and didn't see a mention of DID within 15 seconds, which is impossible for anyone who has/claims to have it to, none of them have the necessary self-control to not constantly post in the #actuallyDID tag between pity circlejerks.
 
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Something that I’m trying to figure out is if the ‘systems’ model of DID wherein one alter is the protector, one is the host, one is the gatekeeper....Where do these alter roles come from? Are they substantiated by any research/case studies? The closest concept that I could relate them to are ‘ego-states’ but (like most Freudian concepts) they aren’t backed up by any hard science.
 
Nothing that Cinna-whatever person said is backed up by any science. Reason being that despite what Chloe and her echoing fans say, it’s bloody rare. It’s already a small pool for researchers to work with which I’m sure becomes smaller if the person(s) doesn’t seek treatment or refuses to cooperate at all.

Also nothing about it is observable in a scientific sense, and what is observed in person can be acted out by anyone committed enough.
Everything Cinna said was vague theories at best that I assume come from those in the mental health field who are believers to some degree.

You can’t prove those claiming DID are lying beyond a reasonable doubt so inject irrational unsubstantiated theories into all those inconsistencies and stuff convenient amnesia into the plot holes.
 
Everything Cinna said was vague theories at best that I assume come from those in the mental health field who are believers to some degree.
Everything they've said is almost carbon copy from Chloe's newest video posted a couple pages ago. Like word for word.

Every single example of DID I've seen in the past before snowflake Youtubers like Chloe latched on to it, were all extremely debilitated due to the disorder and very much unable to function in society. I do believe that there IS something fucked up with Chloe - that much is obvious - but it's the same thing as across all cows on this site - some form of cluster B personality disorder coupled with massive autism.

Edit because I forgot to agree with @chronicallybullshitting 100% Chloe would be entitled to benefits in the UK if her illness was as bad as she claims. I have a friend with severe mental health problems and she will likely be permanently living off of benefits because she isn't able to function enough to hold a job. She's in a council flat and receives enough money to take care of herself and her dog quite comfortably. Now, I sincerely hope Chloe isn't also claiming benefits on top of all the money she's making off YT, Patreon and social media. Her clear money seeking behaviours displayed so far makes me doubt though. Nothing makes me a-log quite like a benefits frauder.
 
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Chloe claims to own a business right? Up to a certain point, self-employed people can recieve benefits. It depends on how much the business makes as to what she would be entitled to, and it's reasonably fickle. If it's proving not to be profitable however it usually means the owner must find gainful employment. I assume disability is an entirely different beast, just so long as it's for personal care and not disability for those who can't work at all.

I didn't find any sign of her on the Company's House LTD registry, so I'm assuming she's either put herself in as a sole trader or a partnership. That is, if she's registered. Maybe I'm thick but I don't think she's registered DissociaDID as a trademark which seems very unusual considering how public she is, especially if the company is registered.
 
DID is recognized as a real disorder. please check out the DSM-5, it's included in there. I am personally part of a system (terminology for a group of alters) and switches simply aren't that cookie cutter. people 9/10 experience full blackout when they are unaware of their system or have little to no relationship with their alters. blackouts become lesser as you grow aware of your alters and begin the path to establishing healthy relationships with them which leads to intergration (alters coming together to form one singular personality). when I was a child and endured abuse i of course had no clue that i had alters but now that i am an adult and am now on stable ground, memories are slowly available to me and even still the worst shit is hidden because essentially my brain doesn't want me to know about the worst shit. that being said, when you work through shit and build strong relationships with your alters, amnesia walls gradually disappear and it does become possible to pick up where the last person left off and yes it is possible to switch at will as long as both parties are willing and the communication is good but forming that relationship takes a lot of work and time.

alters are rarely violent and when they are, they are violent to themselves or other system members. i'm not gonna sit here and say every alter is an angel because alters are people and people vary greatly but they definitely aren't off the bat violent or just made aggressive. even those who have an agressive personality are typically all bark and no bite. alters don't want to hurt people. they want to protect the host and enjoy their lives and that comes in many different shapes and forms. let's say one of my alters names is Joe. i was working a high stress job and going to school at the same time and this caused a lot of anxiety attacks and general poor mental health. it got so bad that i would dissociate (blank out) at work multiple times a day or go into a catatonic state (can't move or speak) caused by anxiety. I don't intentionally make alters. my brain sees something i can't handle and it's finds someone who CAN handle it. my brain has learned to function this way because this is what it did when i was child and endured stressful situations. i probably should have quit my job but i was irresponsible with my health and thus another alter was created. Joe specializes in work environments. he is motivated by a hard day's work, is very goal-orientated and craves structure and schedule. needless to say, Joe subbing for me at working or being co-con with Joe at work was his was of protecting my body and mind from the stress, anxiety, and depression that came with being in over my head. he also kept me from getting fired. he didn't attack my boss of yell at my coworkers, he helped in the way that he knew how and all while posing as me. that's how DID works.

you mentioned that the person with DID is typically passive and sad. true that we all suffer some sort of downer but this is not all to our personality. people are faceted. i think out of everyone in my system i am the most likely to lose my temper but this isn't tied to DID, it's just part of who i am. it's not like all the personality got sucked out of me when i split. i feel every emotion and am a full fledged person.

your statement about alters being the core person but with variations is close. think of it this way: you stem from your mother and father, their DNA is what makes you a human being but it's not what makes you you. you originate from them but how you develop and your life experiences shape who you are. do you think that because you come from other people your ARE those people? would you say that you are your parents but with slight variations? those people are obviously part of you but you might like horror movies but your mother doesn't. it's the same way with alters. they originate from me, and we do have things in common but they've experienced things that i haven't which means that they see the world differently, and develop into different people. i hope that makes sense.

i don't mean any hate with this post, just spreading information. i am happy to answer any questions. if you're wondering, i've been diagnosed by a professional (about two years ago) and have consciously lived with DID for six years now.
Yeah I just don't believe DID exists. I don't care what the DSM-5 says. The DSM-5 also recommends that you give children puberty blockers if they like playing with the wrong toys, and recommend invasive dick and ball snipping even though that doesn't decrease the suicide rate of trannies. We used to bleed people to remove ghosts when they had fevers, that doesn't mean we were right. Every psyche I've seen that diagnoses DID is either a quack or doesn't want to unpack the box of bullshit that is their patients. Repressed memories are real, episodes of depersonalization are real, blackouts are real. Just because you have gaps in your memory don't mean you have multiple people living in the same head. The DSM-5 is so lax that you could diagnose someone that got blackout drunk and ended up in a fistfight with DID. That isn't the case. Most people have blacked out while driving home and came to in front of their house going "how the fuck did I get here? Wasn't I in the parking lot 10 seconds ago?" Just because you experienced highway hypnosis doesn't mean a literal second entity living in your brain drove you home.

On topic TMIposting
I'm a combat veteran that suffers from pretty serious PTSD and at least one TBI. When I first got back I would have serious bouts of depersonalization and fits of blackout rage while drinking. The first quack I went to diagnosed me DID and said that my trauma in the sandbox created alters and this was a defense mechanism and that I should work hard to be aware of them and try to merge them back into one whole. I rejected this wholesale as bullshit and went to a psyche that focuses on combat medicine and psychology and he gave me the correct diagnoses and started me on initially pretty intense pharmacological therapy, which stopped the blackouts and the rage outbursts. With cognitive therapy we were able to significantly reduce dosages and eliminate some pills from the regimen entirely. That's what doctors do. They don't go "lmao just try to make all your people one people lmao"

DID is a fucking cop out, and this is seen in how the number of "alters" in each "system" has increased dramatically over the last couple decades. It is a bad diagnoses made by bad psyches.

Edit: man looks like I should've read your other posts. You're a fucking sperg that legitimately believes if you're bullied online you can create more brain people. This is retarded. This is beyond retarded. This isn't how brains work.
 
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hey OP, i made an account just to reply to your post so please hear me out with an open mind. i've been watching the two afore mentioned channels for a while now because i myself have DID (diagnosed by a medical professional) and related a lot to these systems. I'm making this post simply to explain how a lot of DID can seem like bullshit and I therefore understand why systems face criticism. Trust me, even i myself don't buy my own disorder sometimes because it makes no sense surface level but ends up being hugely beneficial and adds up as i better understand my system. okay, now to the point...
-alters seem like OCs because they are. when alters are originally created during trauma, they are created by the mind of the child. which is why alters can sometimes be pretty far out there. a child might think that if they were a dragon, they'd be able to fight off their abusers. or wish that they could disappear and then you get an invisible alter. kids have crazy imaginations and though they don't intentionally form alters, DID picks up on what makes them feel safer and what gets them through the trauma.
- littles exists for a multitude of reason. maybe another kid to sub for the one being abused, a kid to give the mind a break, etc. I have a 6 year-old alter who basically took over my childhood as kid. her taking over gave my mind a mental break. try to see it like being constantly afraid, never relaxing, always feeling shitty. that's a lot of stress as a kid and there is no break. your mind is constantly in overdrive. except for when this alter is out. she colors, she naps, she does kid shit and having that break keeps you together. and it can work the other way around, there could be a kid who gets the shit beat out of them but all you remember is happy playtime during your childhood.
-alters can sometimes finish each other's train of thought depending on relationships between alters or amnesia walls. so, the best way i can explain it is that you have a group of friends and you all live in different states. your closest friends decide to stay close to you so the cell phone reception is better. they're still in another state but because you've remained close, you stay in touch. friends who live far because they don't give a shit about you anymore don't really have great reception and don't call much anyways. Basically, because me and one of my alters (let's call him Dan) are close and know each other well, we have better communication. we also communicate well because we don't have any amnesia walls between us, which means there is nothing Dan has to keep hidden from me. we have the same memory timeline and therefor can communicate well. if we do have amnesia it's minor. I can remember that Dan went to the store for eggs and butter but i might not remember him buying bread. Amnesia can work the other way too. let's say another one of my alters is called Alex. Alex took a lot of abuse for me and i remember none of what they remember and likely never will. the only way i know that something happened to Alex is because they show signs of PTSD just as I do and i was also co-concious with them during a flashback which means i experienced the flashback as well. However, it made no sense to me because i don't remember anything like that ever
happening. Alex remembers all that happened to them but an amnesia wall keeps them from talking about it in a way that exposes me to it. meaning, when Alex is out, an Amnesia wall blocks the memory of their abuse and Alex can't remember the details of it and therefore can't talk about it in detail, which stops me from from finding out. i know Alex endured abuse but i'll probably never know what that abuse is because my brain is actively trying to prevent me from knowing. there are also alters who manipulate amnesia walls and whenever i do catch wind of anything, it is then erased until the memory is jogged again which could happen 10yrs from now or never lol

ok, sorry this became so long, I tend to ramble so i'm going to cut it here. this information is really only the tip of the iceberg. to tell you about amnesia walls, i'd then have to tell you about gatekeepers, and trauma holders and blah blah blah. my point is, DID is SUCH a complex disorder and the alters and the disorder it's self have so many layers. what seems like one thing from the outside might be something completely different on the inside. it might be cringe or bullshit to one person but that same thing could be what saved a person's life. no hate, just a different perspective. i'm not trying to defend anyone, i'm just trying to spread information and my insider experience. i'm open to any questions.

I'm really sorry to hear about your autism.
I considered breaking down what you'd said point by point but I think you're too rctarded to process that seeing as you already lack the reading comprehension to get through this relatively short thread. If you had, you wouldn't have had to ask about the inconsistencies. They're very clearly laid out.

Alex took a lot of abuse for me and i remember none of what they remember and likely never will.

With that said, I found this point interesting. You'll never remember? Why? Because you won't engage with therapy? You don't want to integrate? You don't want to remove your amnesiac barriers and have a fully integrated personality? Wouldn't that be special enough for you?
Treatment for DID would allow you to have a fully integrated personality and all of your memories. You sound like you got your diagnosis through Tumblr and don't understand much about the disorder or treatment options.
 
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Chloe would be entitled to benefits in the UK if her illness was as bad as she claims.
Most likely since not only does she claim to have DID, she also claims to have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Edit: do you think that if she ever finds this thread she will claim it made her make more head-people?
 
Most likely since not only does she claim to have DID, she also claims to have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Edit: do you think that if she ever finds this thread she will claim it made her make more head-people?

I think she's already found it based on her sperg out on her socials the other day. That, and the exceptional visitor we had today.
 
People with "DID" on this thread really think we give a shit abt their life story
Being unable to find an identity for yourself and not knowing who tf you truly are in your moment of being able to remember or have awareness of anything at all isnt something anyone would feel special about and if u actually had it youd know that
Yall love self diagnosing shit and spitting it where everyone can see so u can get specialness points when you obviously dont actually know a fucking thing abt what the illness is
Keep your attention loving bullshit to yourself because nothing you say is relevant or valid pertaining to this
 
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