Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[captkrisma]

No riots in the US yet. Yet. If I press post and at the same second a news cast comes on airing hardcore looting in Detroit. It is not my fault. It has not happened yet.

Philly is ALWAYS a front-runner for riots

 

[SpEd Kaczynski]

Is anyone old enough to correctly remember how SARS played out? I only have a vague memory of it. Exactly how long did it take before the hysteria ended? how many months?

I was well into adulthood when it happened, I think I would have been living and working in Phoenix at the time. I literally didn't even know that anything called "SARS" had happened. That's how much hysteria there was about it!

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I don’t think people noticed this much, but the last of the Lansley reforms - local CCG commissioning groups - died in fire last week as central govt took back the power to direct all NHS procurement and treatment procurement. Which is obviously completely necessary but I do wonder if it will ever be given back. Time will tell.

I also, despite not being a supporter of the present government, absolutely disagree that this is a time for “scrutiny“ or “accountability“ or suchlike over the economic policies of the last ten years. This is a time to STFU and all pull together because by god, we really are all in the shit together for once. This is a major public health emergency with massive social and economic consequences. It’s not time to be flinging mud at the people who happened to be holding the grenade when it exploded. Yes, in time, in a year or two when this has mostly settled down and we have a vaccine to control it, there’s time then to reflect on policies around the NHS.

But that time is not now and I have no fucking time for anyone trying to score points at this time over the policies of the last decade. What’s done is done. We are where we are, the shit has hit the fan and we have bigger and more immediate problems right now. Let’s unequivocally support measures to support the NHS and its clinicians at this time. The NHS clinical services are working their arses off right now and the most important thing any individual or any political party can do is listen to what they say they need and make sure they get it.

This is not a time for carping from the sidelines and fuck anyone who does.

Sadly, various twats disagree. Momentum will start it's shrieking soon saying the pandemic is "political" and thus requires "political solutions".

GMB is threatening to have all its hospital cleaners walk out and go on strike unless they get more money. Lewisham for now, but how long until O'Connor extends that to all her members? For not meeting their demand of all services being returned to the NHS so they can get more money?

Rebecca Dong-Faily, the trout mouthed bitch is trying to make shit political by demanding to know how to win their demands.

Scum always floats to the top in a crisis. It's a shame these cunts won't get a moment of reckoning.

 

[cuddle striker]

What exactly is it you do Cuddle Striker? You keep making comments about deaths and saying they're much higher than reported and talking about mucus in the lungs / bread lungs and what not but what is the capacity you work in? If you're a pathologist or coroner why do they even bother having you look at them if they're not reporting accurate numbers. Seems pointless to send bodies to be opened up and expose you / your department to the virus when they can chalk it up to flu or anything else as a cause of death and sweep them under the rug.

How could you test negative after so much exposure? when other medical professionals are coming up positive in droves?

simply put I'm the autopsy assistant; path lab/epidemiology dept.

we take samples, run tests and do diagnostic work on anyone died who needs a CoD.

I started out in a different capacity but have been doing more over time in this department. End goal is medical examiner's office.

We aren't actually as heavily exposed as people are who are doing bronchiscopy, intubation, and personal care for the sick. Our patients aren't breathing or coughing at us, the only fluid exposure we have is if we do any cranial inspection (bone saws make micro spray). We're a lot less at risk.

I was only exposed because some fucking idiot decided to eat lunch or something upstairs where there's live, infected people and then come waltzing around the path lab without a mask on. morons. the living are morons.

so my exposure was actually an infected colleague, not a patient or a body. I'm not on the real front lines. I'm the rear guard.
we won't be doing anything but lung specimens after this though- when I get back tomorrow the protocol now is to do a slide of lung, mucus membrane, eye, and liver. nothing more. so it'll be assembly line from here on out.

the state is on lockdown so we should hit our peak this week or next, then hopefully it slows down before we get to the cordwood-stack stage of this.

edited to add: we were pressured, covertly, to under report. we are not doing that.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So after the PP and Ciudadanos bitched endlessly about the government not being harsh enough now that the lockdown is being hardened they're claiming it's excessive and threatening Sanchez and claiming they won't support it. Much to criticism of the right wing basis. Seems PP thought harshening would mean closing all the PYMEs (which have now shifted production to essential healthcare work) while giving grants to the multinationals (which are still mostly building superfluous shite). And they wanted ((certain autonomies)) (which are under right wing control) to get hefty support while ((others)) (not that) get assraped. Funny how that goes. Yeah even the side of the media that usually covers for them has been a lot more critical of this and even their most vocal pundits have just resorted to "but muh left wing was also evil when they were on the opposition" (which is the usual defense they run with the biggest right wing fuckups, so we all know it's bollocks), only semicohesive argument I've seen is "but they didn't negotiate", which, yeah, ehm, YOU called for these measures. What was there to negotiate? Oh you didn't want them THIS way? Get fucked righties. Yeah the PP is going down.

 

[Male Idiot]

Get the coof you bigots!

 

[Otterly]

Is anyone old enough to correctly remember how SARS played out? I only have a vague memory of it. Exactly how long did it take before the hysteria ended? how many months?

Yes. SARS v1.0 happened at exactly the same time of year as the current outbreak - first turned up in late November, exploded over the new year. The Chinese covered it up and it only really came to the notice of the world because a few businessmen travelled to other countries and sparked smaller outbreaks. I think the first was a guy who was en route to the USA or Singapore but got sick in Hanoi. An Italian doc was sharp enough to realise that the guy didn’t have flu, but something novel. There were other small outbreaks in Hong Kong and Toronto.
The virus itself was very similar to what we are seeing now but with a slightly different spike protein so less infectious. The death rate however was much higher - 10% or so in the young and 50+ in older people. 8000 or so cases and 700+ dead. So it got stopped pretty fast. We were lucky it wasn’t more infectious
The Chinese finally got their arse in gear and a global effort stamped it out. Then a funny thing happened. All the funding for research, vaccines etc was pulled as fast as could be despite the scientists involved saying that was crazy because it would emerge again. I remember how weird everyone thought the research shut down was. MERS was a very similar virus - found in the Middle East and the vector was camels with origin in bat (it’s always the bloody bats...) . Again, work shut down as fast as fast could be and the media didn’t really report on it much.
It’s been the opinion in genetics circles for a long time that the next big one would be something respiratory- something like SARS, or a novel flu reassortment. ( Maybe a haemorrhagic fever as well, if something like Ebola or Crimean Congo HF gets airbourne we are fucked. )
I look back on it now with the knowledge of how China has behaved over the intervening 20 ish years and it makes more sense.

 

[Radical Cadre]

While the reports of refrigeration trucks for bodies is distressing and uncommon, I am not going to let that scare the shit out of me. What you see is the best effort to maintain proper procedure and keep infection from spreading. You want these bodies on ice as opposed to laying in the hallways. Do not lose your shit over refrigeration trucks. A lot of people are going to die and it will outpace normal, existing disposal mechanisms. The fact that these trucks can be procured and the fact that they actually materialize where they are needed is a good thing. A very good thing!

I've got a video here from NYC of the so-called warzones at city hospitals. But the (12MB) upload keeps failing. Will try again a bit later.

 

[StarDog]

Daily reminder that this is China’s fault and that we should stop at nothing to make sure this rogue communist regime headed by Xi Jinping is punished for this pandemic.

The United States does not have the highest infection rate. That’s a lie. China has been shown repeatedly lying about their numbers to save face and there is no doubt that their infection count is false. Their incompetence as a nation spreads to this too... There’s more than likely thousands of people infected in China flying under the radar. China murders, harasses, and silences it’s citizens to maintain it’s facade as a capable nation; you really think they care if their people rot or suffer? It’s all about maintaining that image and protecting the people at the top... They have no reason to test the common citizen, they only have to contain them to stop the spread and that’s it.

This is war for China... The rogue communist shithole kind of China, who’s existence could be destroyed by this. There is no doubt billions of dollars being invested in measures to save face and keep this regime going... Not billions towards the disease itself, towards a stimulus plan for it’s citizens, or towards creating some type of FDA to stop another disease from coming out of their wet markets (which have been reopened)- None of that. Billions of dollars going into paying people off or towards somehow spinning this against America.

Don’t let them win. Don’t let the media tell you it’s racist to refer to the origin of this disease. This disease comes from China. In my personal humble probably racist opinion... these dumb Chinese motherfuckers have dicks so tiny, that they don’t have the nuts to take the billions of people they have to revolt. Instead they consistently let this regime shit on them, and somehow have a blind nationalistic pride in the worst country to ever exist.

The ignorance of the new progressive wave and economic interest has let this corrupt machine keep running long past it’s expiration date... Now? Now we face another Chernobyl. Another corrupt communist regime fucked up so hard that it’s putting the world at risk and people seem to be ignoring this. Wake the hell up. FUCK CHINA.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

We are far less enamaoured to liberalism than the west. We want to survive, no matter the cost. Any means necessary.

Plus Orban has majority support, which makes the whole dictator thing unnecessary.

Honestly I find that worrysome. But that might be because last time someone had that kinda power in spain, well, our roads are still stuffed with the corpses he left behind. I honestly hope Orban can resist the temptation and keep the country steady, so far he's done fairly well on keeping this crisis stable, despite rhetoric, so he might do it well. But... It's still worrying to me.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Before you say something absolutely non cognitively functioning like "well one by one each of those did not spread as fast as this" first of all that is wrong.

Gentlemen! You can't fight in here. This is the war room!

I don’t think the young folks of London are going to make it through a three month (or longer) lockdown through the summer without acting out, but I really hope I am doing them a disservice there.

I'm sure Mr 'You're in Peckham' will comply with the quarantine for three months and in no way start looting shit and raping bitches once he knows the police have more important things to deal with

https://twitter.com/superhoopchris/status/1244325992648359937
https://web.archive.org/web/2020032...com/superhoopchris/status/1244325992648359937

 

[Aqua Panda]

I'm fairly sure the "official reason" for the research being stopped on SARS-1 was that it mutated into a less infectious form and most governments/businesses didn't see the money in persuing research.

However, with how much the WHO has been fellating China, I wouldn't be suprised if Chinese monetary influence had a factor. China, to this day, still won't let all the documents from that incident out.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

This article is both funny and horrific (Medical fetish site sends supplies to the NHS). I wonder how long the UK government can avoid criticism of the years of cuts to the NHS?

Newsweek Article

Archive

Years of cuts.

Sick of being made to defend the government, but lazy lies must be challenged.
https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

https://archive.li/RPZoY

For non-brits reading, there are some "well known facts" about UK poltitics constantly restated by Labour. One of which is that puplic services are always struggling under years of Tory cuts / austerity. Yet the spending graph always goes up. Note that that image is real terms money, accounting for inflation

 

[Otterly]

edited to add: we were pressured, covertly, to under report. we are not doing that.

Stay safe! And if you can record any of that pressuring then do, to cover your own arse and for future reference

Get the coof you bigots!

This is genuine brilliance. For those not familiar with the British press, the format is the comment is free op eds from British leftie rag The Guardian (used to be a decent paper, is now infested with SJW ism.)
This: http://archive.is/HmYnf is a real example of such an article. Poor widdle tewwowists, won’t somebody think of them!

 

[Beavis]

Here in germany some people are starting to lose patience with the restrictions. They're of the opinion that they've been home for an entire week or two and followed the rules closely and that should be enough. Why they think it should, I don't know but It's pretty clear to me that most people just simply don't understand the gravity of the situation and still think they'll see their favorite soccer teams play in packed stadiums in may. I think a big factor is that germany doesn't have waves of corpses like some other european countries. Our death rate/day rose slowly from about 50 to 66, which mostly had to do with the wuflu getting loose in two retirement/care homes. This isn't even really statistically relevant for a country that size and bad flu seasons have done worse which quite frankly, is weird. Basically all hospitals still have intensive care capacity to spare and some hospitals have actually been sending personal home to stand down until it hits the fan. The german army also has been air lifting sick people from other european countries to our hospitals.

I learned today that the main hospital in my city has been using chloroquine off-label for treatment since basically the beginning of it all. They do not want to make a public statement about it's efficiency though. It makes me slightly hopeful.

In other good and late news, Lindemann of Rammstein fame is out of the ICU, never had the wuflu and is doing better.

Sounds like Germany needs a new man to step up, control the fatherland with an iron fist, and provide drastic solutions for all of Europe.

 

[Male Idiot]

Honestly I find that worrysome. But that might be because last time someone had that kinda power in spain, well, our roads are still stuffed with the corpses he left behind. I honestly hope Orban can resist the temptation and keep the country steady, so far he's done fairly well on keeping this crisis stable, despite rhetoric, so he might do it well. But... It's still worrying to me.

Odd. Franco here was so famous, his name became a slang term. Something "Franco" is something "cool" .

Mind we are very biased in favour of a strongman leader, because the only two bloody and bad dictators we had were communist-kikes Bela Kun and Matyas (Matthias) Rakosi. They were both hooknosed commies so we developed a dislike for those traits. So the common wisdom is, they were bad because they were comkikes, not because they were authotarians. Even the last communist dictator, Kadar* was not that bad compared to these two, who were like a Mini-Mao and Mini-Stalin. Plus our non communist crowned dictators tended to look out for us and did not pull Nero or Caligula stunts. Our problem is when the dictator is not a Hungarian.

If we had as many bad kings as other countries, I'm sure we would feel differently. But we mostly either had good ones, or just incompetent but not malicious ones from a foreign dynasty.

* Kadar developed a more comfortable style of communism with much more welfare and public security, and after the first decade of his rule he also went easy on the torture and death camps. It was not good, but the trains ran on times, public security was outstanding, and most people could afford a vacation home in the countryside. This was accomplished by taking MASSIVE loans from western bankers, which did kick our economy to the curb after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but the proles missed that part, and remember that they had a vacation home, retired at 45 and were no longer beaten. Kadar did outlive his regime in freedom, and was never persecuted, so perhaps he did something right.

He is one of the two controversial figures. For the left, Kadar is considered a good leader, while the right do the same to Regent Horthy, the interwar and then Axis ruler. Of course, to the left, Horthy is literally Hitler, to the right, Kadar is literally Stalin.
To be entirely honest, both did considerable less atrocities than most communist or fascist dictators are wont to do, we had our jackpot since only 50% of our non-crowned dictators were dicks.

 

[Reverend]

We are far less enamaoured to liberalism than the west. We want to survive, no matter the cost. Any means necessary.

Plus Orban has majority support, which makes the whole dictator thing unnecessary.

That's how it always starts.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Odd. Franco here was so famous, his name became a slang term. Something "Franco" is something "cool" .

Mind we are very biased in favour of a strongman leader, because the only two bloody and bad dictators we had were communist-Trump's Chosen People Bela Kun and Matyas (Matthias) Rakosi. They were both hooknosed commies so we developed a dislike for those traits. So the common wisdom is, they were bad because they were comkikes, not because they were authotarians. Even the last communist dictator, Kadar was not that bad compared to these two, who were like a Mini-Mao and Mini-Stalin. Plus our non communist crowned dictators tended to look out for us and did not pull Nero or Caligula stunts. Our problem is when the dictator is not a Hungarian.

If we had as many bad kings as other countries, I'm sure we would feel differently. But we mostly either had good ones, or just incompetent but not malicious ones from a foreign dynasty.

If you want a real, respected spanish dictator look at Primo de Rivera. Franco though? He literally only got to power by being sniveling and cowardly, he sold chunks of spain to the brits and the USA, he tried to support hitler but when the UK told him to cut it he sent volunteers to save face and droped the war. He was a weak willed, corrupt, egocentric, stupid fucking bastard. The right wing loves to pretend franco was good over here but all they give is excuses.

Hell even the civil war, he wasn't even meant to be the leader of the fascist side, they debated that for years, only reason he got there was the british secret service supported him. And he allowed morocco to conquer most spanish african territories without war just to appease the allies. He was a glorified lapdog whose only skill was licking both ally and axis ass hard enough than no one wanted to take him down in fear of whoever replaced him being actually strong and competent enough to take sides for real.

 

[formershroomeryuser]

Well to be fair the early thread had lurid chinese animal torture and mass weldings. There aren't enough New Yorkers collapsing and twitching yet to keep up that high caliber of horror porn information. Hopefully this thread bores itself to death as this becomes a nothing burger, but there is a morbid curiosity to it, wanting to see how it all turns out... the fact we are all stuck at home now doesn't help.

Brutal. But honest eh?

 

[Radical Cadre]

I've got a video here from NYC of the so-called warzones at city hospitals. But the (12MB) upload keeps failing. Will try again a bit later.

Alright let's try this again. The guy in the video is very obviously partisan. You may enjoy the video better on mute.

But that hospital definitely doesn't look like it is overrun and a "warzone" in the way some of the media have described it. For the staff inside I imagine this is quite stressful and difficult to be going through. But the media are not talking about the doctors when they try to scare the public with Warzone Hospital 2020.