Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

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"OH NO I'M GOING TO GET SO FAT DURING QUARANTINE." Y'all have probably heard it by now. When people are scared and helpless they search for things that give them a sense of control. Some of us reorganize the hall closet. Others compulsively stockpile food and household supplies. And others still focus on the abject horror of gaining a few pounds in the midst of an extremely stressful and inescapable global crisis.

The fact that weight gain is a concern for so many right now belies the broad cultural belief that weight is a thing that is *completely* within the control of an individual, that every body has the potential to become very fat without constant vigilance and discipline, and that all fat people are fat because they made themselves that way, foolishly, by eating too much. Science, as well as your own anecdotal evidence (yes, even yours), does not bear this out. Fatness involves a large degree of genetic predisposition, which you cannot change or control. This is why some people can eat voraciously and never get fat. If some thin people are just strongly predisposed to be thin -- an idea most people are comfortable with -- then why is it beyond comprehension that fat people might be as well?

Research has shown repeatedly that fat people as a group do not eat more calories than average weight people (and some studies show they eat less). Yes, people can gain or lose some amount of weight by changing their habits, but they are usually fighting their body's natural equilibrium by doing so, often with dire consequences to their health. Nevertheless, the Quarantine Fat fears persist because it's a thing people feel they can wield power over, and that is a balm when the future feels dangerously unknowable. It also, more ominously, plays into a narrative where fat people who become sick or die had it coming to them, for failing to correctly administer their body. None of this is new -- this is the same story as ever, this is an ideology fat people live under every day, pandemic or not. No, you won't gain 100 pounds in a few weeks at home. But you could try losing the weight of all those unexamined assumptions you're carrying around.

There are some real conditions that impact a person's metabolism on both ends of the spectrum (fat and skinny). However, those are very, very rare. So many fat people are certain that they must have something like that or else they would be able to lose weight on a diet. Nope. Most simply lack the willpower to do it. As others have said, they underestimate the calories they are eating and they think that eating 3 BigMacs, 2 fries, large coke and a pie is what every person does.

But even most of the conditions that impact metabolism (like thyroid conditions, PCOS, etc.) will only make you fat -- not obese and certainly not morbidly obese. They like to throw these things around to guilt normal size folks into giving them a pass on stuffing their faces, but 99% of these people simply having an eating disorder -- they overeat. They aren't recovering anorexics as so many of them like to claim or imply. They are food addicts who don't want to give up their drug of choice. And, yes, medicine makes all kinds of decisions based on your addictions. An alcoholic isn't going to get a new liver when they'll just fuck it up by drinking. Smokers are never getting a lung transplant -- it will go to someone who won't ruin the new one with their addiction. All other things being equal a thin person will most likely have a better outcome than a morbidly obese one. Sure, you can treat the fatty instead, but it probably just means that BOTH people will die. Better to sacrifice those likely to have poor outcomes and at least save one life if resources don't allow you to treat both. It sucks, but life isn't always fair.

 

[GenociderSyo]

There are some real conditions that impact a person's metabolism on both ends of the spectrum (fat and skinny). However, those are very, very rare. So many fat people are certain that they must have something like that or else they would be able to lose weight on a diet. Nope. Most simply lack the willpower to do it. As others have said, they underestimate the calories they are eating and they think that eating 3 BigMacs, 2 fries, large coke and a pie is what every person does.

Not sure they even pretend to have those disorders since even that would be admiting they are sick because they are fat.

 

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[Lunete]

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The only thing she’s struggling to do…is literally everything that isn’t stuffing her face (and desperately seeking external validation on social media). How upsetting and disheartening that some of the people dying of COVID are those who lived through the Great Depression and WWII (and subsequently came out the other side to build the strongest middle class the world had ever seen), and this here precious princess is struggling to maintain her, positively demure, 350+ lb frame because of “trawmaa”, aka, she went more than four hours between meals one time, or something. I also love the added irony that she clearly isn’t struggling to get expensive (and obnoxious) dye-jobs during this time of scarcity.

"I have been really struggling to feed myself..."

Bitch have you seen yourself? You've been feeding yourself plenty. In fact some food scarcity might do you some good.

 

[CisTrans_Isomerism]

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Umm...quick question: how does one gaslight oneself? Next I'm gonna hear one of these women claim that they've suffered sexual assault at their own hands, or committed domestic violence against themselves.

 

[JuniperFalls]

Umm...quick question: how does one gaslight oneself?

If you're Lividlipids or any other HAES type, you do it by eating and drinking at least 5,000 calories every day while living a completely sedentary lifestyle, then telling yourself and everybody else that you hardly eat anything and sometimes have trouble eating at all. Maybe you're even starving to death beneath your 300 pounds of excess fat.

 

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[Smug Cat]

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Well if that ain't the hottest fucking take out there. "It's not the metric ton of lard pressing on my internal organs that's causing organ failure, it's the doctors warning me about the dangers of suffocating in my own greasepile that are doing it. Every medical professional I've ever seen has said the same thing, it must be a conspiracy!"

 

[Logical Fallacies]

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1. She doesn't have the intelligence to understand what her therapist is telling her or what is expected of her.
2. She absolutely does not have the right mindset for Therapy. Therapy is hard and scary. There is no gentle and easy therapy. You need to get out of your comfort zone but like Amberlynn, she's scared of everything that makes her even slightly uncomfortable.

Therapy is wasted on people like her. She should stop and give her place to someone who actually wants to get better. You can whine on twitter without being in therapy.

 

[RainbowStarlight]

Can someone help me with a FA I can't remember? She had really short hair but wore cheap wigs all the time and had two S/Os, both on the spectrum. Something about crossfit? She did lose a ton of weight but still is a very toxic person. She changed her name on Instagram all the time so I have no clue what it is now.

 

[JuniperFalls]

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Not to be a gatekeeper, but another way you can tell Lividlipids' complaints (along with many other cows like Tess Holliday and Jude Valentin) are bullshit is that their complaints are always so vague -- It's always shit like "I have 'trauma' because my 'boundaries' were 'violated' and my family is 'toxic' and everyone is 'gaslighting me.'"

People with no-shit actual PTSD can give you specifics: "Ever since I was in Vietnam (or some other war zone) and to this day fireworks or any other loud bang noises cause me to have flashbacks. But I'm working with a therapist, who is exposing me to certain loud noises in a safe and controlled environment." Or "Since Hurricane Katrina, when my family almost drowned as the floodwaters entered our house and thank God Dad had that souvenir Indian axe to chop a hole in our roof so we could escape." Or "Because of my extremely abusive parents, CPS eventually put them in prison when I was 10, I still have scars from their punishments like pouring boiling water on me" ... point is, for people suffering actual psychological traumas bad enough to not just require therapy, but sometimes even qualifies as an official disability for workplace or government-assistance purposes, if you know these people, you don't have to guess or wonder or speculate about "So what exactly is this terrible traumatic thing you blame for your current anxiety and other problems." You know exactly what happened to mess this person up, and it's always something horrifying enough to make you think "JFC, that's awful, and I'm glad I never had to go through anything like that."

ETA: fixed typos

 

[Otterly]

I saw a lab study a while back that had women in-patient who claimed they could not lose weight despite eating what they claimed was 1000 calories a day. On observation, these 1000 calories a day folks were eating,on average, 3000 calories a day and were unaware or simply in profound denial of the calorie content of what they were eating.

You can lock people inside chambers which are energy sealed, in the sense that all temperature, calories in, out etc are accounted for. And you can radiolabel or put chemical tracers in ingested food and drink as well. Those studies show that everyone obeys the same rules and in fact larger people have higher metabolic needs (as you’d expect.) Nobody gets to flout the second law of thermodynamics. You put someone big in one of those chambers and feed them 1500 kcal a day and they lose weight .
There are horrible conditions like lipodystrophy Where people literally cannot lay down body fat. Those people look alarming, no subcutaneous fat, no fat to cushion organs and are ironically at risk of cardiovascular diseases because they can’t store the fat so it circulates in the blood, and hormonal disturbances etc. There are things which have a marginal effect like thyroid issues and PCOS but those are like 20-30lb you find harder to lose. And there are serious Developmental issues like prader-willi Where people cannot control appetite.
Everyone obeys physics. It is all in vs out.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Not to mention most of us underestimate the calorific content of what we eat. I think often very obese people are utterly clueless about the calorific content of certain foods, or have zero idea about normal portion sizes, something the restaurant and fast food industry doesn't help with, having normalized portions double the size of what anyone needs in general. A 1000 calorie single meal is way too much for most people unless it's the one main meal of the day. In reality people end up eating that plus snack plus lunch plus breakfast or whatever. Thus we hear 'I eat normally' which is the actual problem when 'normal' = eating way too much for one sedentary human.

People also highly overestimate how many calories exercise burns.

I saw a lab study a while back that had women in-patient who claimed they could not lose weight despite eating what they claimed was 1000 calories a day. On observation, these 1000 calories a day folks were eating,on average, 3000 calories a day and were unaware or simply in profound denial of the calorie content of what they were eating.

Link to study?

Drink calories are absolutely part of it. A medium Coke at McDonald's is 220 calories. That's 14% of your daily maintenance if you need 1500 calories a day to stay the same weight.

It's also snacking. Americans love to snack, and fatties do especially. They might be eating the same as their skinny friends when they're out to lunch! But they're not eating the same at home or at their desk.

 

[CisTrans_Isomerism]

Can someone help me with a FA I can't remember? She had really short hair but wore cheap wigs all the time and had two S/Os, both on the spectrum. Something about crossfit? She did lose a ton of weight but still is a very toxic person. She changed her name on Instagram all the time so I have no clue what it is now.

I believe I have just your “lady”. I’ve been following her insanity on the internet for a while now, as she is just an endless source of unintentional comedy, cringeporn, schadenfreude and WTF. She’s deleted her account several times, only to revive it a few days to weeks afterwards, all with nonsensical, cringeworthy titles; there was fatcrossfitbabe, (she loves to refer to herself as a babe), fatvenomousbitch (the only appropriate name), polyamorous_venus etc.

She was internet “famous” a while back after that picture of her dainty 300lb frame in that cringey “Don’t Grab my Pussy” shirt was widely mocked and memed on various forums, and it is my theory that this incident was largely the impetus for her obtaining gastric bypass (and now the several skin removal and cosmetic surgeries to fix the havoc wreaked on her body by said obesity).

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Because the thing about this broad, as is the case with many similarly minded women who live their lives like an open wound on social media, she desperately craves male sexual attention. Despite her various rants about how white men are the devil (gone now with her deleted accounts, but I’m sure we’ll see more), a cursory glance at her account shows that her primary motivation in life is to be sexually desirable to said men.

She claims to be polyamorous, when in reality, she had one steady boyfriend (an evil white man) who suffers from Asperger’s and is also asexual, according to her, and when he failed to keep up with her insatiable appetite for dick, she went and found another guy to slam her out on the reg (another evil white male, who also looks like a sex offender). She moved this guy in with her and the former boyfriend, and I believe they both lived off his salary until sex-offender guy finally got a job. However, there is no sexual or romantic relationship between the two gentlemen, so it’s literally just her fucking two guys and calling it polyamory.

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So after the gastric bypass (the bill of which was footed by boyfriend #1 and whatever coverage she was able to obtain) left her body looking like a melted candle, she deleted her account and popped up again after having skin-removal and breast augmentation surgery. To no one’s great surprise, she is still unsatisfied with her appearance and failure to obtain sexy Instagram thot status, and is now discussing going in for even more surgeries (on her boyfriend’s dime, naturally). This has apparently caused tension between her and the family of boyfriend #1, who have accused her of taking advantage of his condition and his money, and isolating him from his family and friends (I’m sure they’re totally out of line). In conclusion, this woman is truly a wretched, miserable c**t.

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At least she’s more honest about the way she eats than other FA on here.

 

[You's On Dat Ole Bullshit]

I happened to find these old clips of Donahue episode dealing with BBW's in 1994. Even long before the advent of social media, these deathfatties plus-size models espouse the same bullshit as our current "activists" sans dangerhair. Seriously, you know they'd be on Tumblr if it had existed at the time.

In this one, Phil asks about their eating habits. Listen to the slip-up the one in the middle makes when asked about the croissant.

Eating Habits (Not What One Would Expect)

From an early 90s episode of Donahue. Three supersize women (Pamela Lynn, Ambrosia and Teighlor) discuss their surprisingly normal eating habits, in an effor...

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This woman's story of anti-fat prejudice sounds like it belongs in the "Tall tales of Tumblr" thread we have on here. I'm sorry, but does anybody believe for a minute that this actually happened to her? #thisisthinprivilege90sedition

Teighlor: The Job Interview

From an early '90s episode of Donahue about size acceptance. In this clip, the model known as Teighlor relates an egregious form of prejudice she experienced...

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[JambledUpWords]

Linda is still giving exceptional takes on the virus. If only she’d admit that health and weight have a correlation

 

[Punkinsplice]

Open letters won't change anything. If it takes twice as many medics to attend a person because they are overweight and respirators are not as effective with morbidly obese people, then fatties are fucked if they get covid19. You cannot explain this in any way to help these idiots understand that this is not discrimination in the civil rights sense. Plagues rarely descriminate, and medics have to make decisions based on resources. Most of us are either in the vulnerable group or we live with someone who is. Instead of crying about the unfairness of it, take precautions to avoid getting the virus and spreading it.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

Exactly - triage is about NUMBERS - the minimal number of resources to save the maximum number of people. Morbid obesity uses up too many precious resources - both material & human & the outcome is far less assured. For most in any branch of the medical profession, it's a damned hard thing to do. There is no time to take complex histories aimed at "judging" somebody's value to society. It comes down to between patient "A" & patient "B", both of whom may be unconscious, who in your medical estimation, has the best chance of making it while using up the fewest assets.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

You can lock people inside chambers which are energy sealed, in the sense that all temperature, calories in, out etc are accounted for. And you can radiolabel or put chemical tracers in ingested food and drink as well. Those studies show that everyone obeys the same rules and in fact larger people have higher metabolic needs (as you’d expect.) Nobody gets to flout the second law of thermodynamics. You put someone big in one of those chambers and feed them 1500 kcal a day and they lose weight .
There are horrible conditions like lipodystrophy Where people literally cannot lay down body fat. Those people look alarming, no subcutaneous fat, no fat to cushion organs and are ironically at risk of cardiovascular diseases because they can’t store the fat so it circulates in the blood, and hormonal disturbances etc. There are things which have a marginal effect like thyroid issues and PCOS but those are like 20-30lb you find harder to lose. And there are serious Developmental issues like prader-willi Where people cannot control appetite.
Everyone obeys physics. It is all in vs out.

Have you seen the Biggest Loser study regarding metabolic adaptation?

abstract: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27136388

full text: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4989512/

I have laughed at people who claim to have a "slow metabolism" but there does seem to be some truth to it. Of course, a sensible person, realising they are not losing weight, adapts their intake accordingly.