Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[remiem]

We're definitely coming up with a plan to re-donate to orgs like food banks and homeless shelters, but the PR point is an awesome one and one that I'll definitely bring up as we are still trying to figure that part out. Thank you!

This youtuber posted a few days ago about a mask-maker forum where the mask-makers can be connected to groups that will use them within their specific state / area.

 

[Green Man]

Ohio has updated its numbers for today. They are still struggling to get any number of tests out. 2900 confirmed cases, over 800 of which are hospitalized. Still no widespread public testing, and the only word on the new antibody testing is that it will be used in a limited capacity to test already known negative cases to see if they had it before.

I dont understand, DeWine has done a good job on almost everything else, but he keeps dropping the ball on testing. If the 100,000 possible cases was true, and the R0 is still around 4, that would leave nearly 2 million people in the state infected, and weve found a whopping 2900 of them. He went on about how he is going to help mobilize manufacturing in the state to get PPE made in larger quantities, but no word on testing.

He's getting pissed about businesses and people ignoring the shelter orders, but still cant show us where the infections are. At some point this is going to boil over.

Yup, the numbers we've been getting from Columbus really don't seem very accurate to me. Additionally I don't believe for a second that there's one county in the state of Ohio excluded. We just don't know for sure yet. This shit is most definitely everywhere and the number's we're seeing are incredibly optimistic. I appreciate the state government's prompt response to all of this, I think they've done far better than most other state governments. But trusting people and businesses to have good judgment? Bullshit, we already know that they don't. Walmart has been packed at all fucking open hours in my little po-dunk town, my neighbors are basically having the equivalent of a god damned block party every day because all the kids are out of school and unsupervised. Traffic really hasn't fallen off at all either, which isn't a big problem if people are just driving around, but we know they aren't, they're going fucking somewhere.

And trusting these businesses to come up with and enforce limitations on how many people can be inside at once? Yeah, like that'll fucking happen. They may close entrances or limit ingress, but they're not going to turn people away, no fuckin' way. People in my town basically treat Walmart the way other people treat a coffee shop. It's the local gathering place because nobody has anything better to do apparently. Bring the whole family! They're still doing that, just as they always have.

Either Dewine has far, far too much faith in Ohioans, or he's just scared of taking decisive [and likely unpopular with the morons who make up most of our populace] action because it might fuck with his image. Personally I think it's a combination.

 

[MediocreMilt]

WHO Needs Your Money to Silence Trolls and Pay Influencers [Reupload]

The previous version of this video was removed by YT. This is a reupload. Why the reupload? 1. Because the original got removed 2. Because this particular vi...

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(Memeology101 video)

 

[Not Really Here]

outside the scope of your diplomatic job

"If I didn't act that way then China would lock the WHO out and we couldn't do our job"
It's shitty(like everything about the UN) but most likely protected.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Honestly I give Garcetti (LA Mayor) a C-.

At the end of the day, he supported the LA Marathon proceeding as planned when that was an obvious tard move. And while the LA area hasn't completely fallen to shit,
A) much of that is county-level
B) Garcetti is really taking advantage of this time to appear on TV every day to quote Cesar Chavez at us and other dumb shit.

Newsom gets a B. Seems to have swallowed some Orange Man Bad pride here and helped to keep things safer in the state than I was imagining would happen in February.

Nobody gets higher than a B in this crisis. There's just too much obvious shit they all fucked up.

Policy leaders have been warned for the last 30 years it was inevitable for a novel pandemic to hit. It was just a question of when, not if. Nothing was truly done to prepare. Nobody really has a frame reference for it. Everyone who was around for the last big pandemic are long gone but for a few centenarians who were small children at the time. The entire problem was an academic one, and that does not earn votes.

That said, the lack of preparedness is precisely why it was imperative for China and the WHO to be forthcoming about what was happening. It would have given the world time to isolate travel to china and begin ramping up production of PPE, testing kits and equipment. China knew back in December that there was airborne community spread of this shit. Early January if we are being charitable. Had they sounded the alarm instead of lying to everyone we would not be having to do all of this on the fly as the pandemic explodes exponentially. We would have had at least 3 to 5 months to prepare. In that context, its not all that surprising it seems policy makers are flailing about. Because they are.

I know its been said so many times, but when we are on the other side of this there had better be severe repercussions for China and the WHO.

 

[simulated goat]

Guam governor says she has 'moral obligation' to help sailors | Reuters Video

Guam governor Lourdes Leon Guerrero said on Thursday that she's experiencing pushback from some local residents who were against welcoming the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, which is suffering a coronavirus outbreak onboard, but said she was assured that the quarantined sailors would be...

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The governor of Guam has given aid to the USS Roosevelt. Apparently, they are able to quarantine cases in a hotel on shore. Sorry, I don't know how to archive video.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

We're definitely coming up with a plan to re-donate to orgs like food banks and homeless shelters, but the PR point is an awesome one and one that I'll definitely bring up as we are still trying to figure that part out. Thank you!

My honest recommendation is go all in on it if you can. Become a single contact point for the mask users thing suggested by @remiem. Heck, even work on publicising it and thank everyone for their efforts and turn it into a local community thing if you can. Folks clearly want to help however they can. You can come out well ahead while also helping people.

Complete win.

 

[Angry New Ager]

Almost definitely not. I work in a healthcare-adjacent field, the CEO of the county's local healthcare services system called our big boss yesterday asking for advice dealing with the homemade mask issue - a ton of people are donating them, but they can't use them without leaving themselves open to liability. Can't turn them away or let the public know they can't use them for PR reasons either, so they're "piling up in a corner".

This is why, when the first calls went out to make masks, I didn't even bother, having worked for animal welfare groups who were occasionally the recipients of unusable/unsuitable "feel-good" project donations. I made a couple for myself to avoid potential conflicts over the issue while out in public, and that's it.

Dispersing them through local charities who assist homeless, low-income, and other vulnerable individuals might be the best option; food banks, soup kitchens, groups that serve seniors, such as Meals on Wheels, etc.

I have a friend who posted this gem on Facebook:

"Ok, so in China, you get censored for having the wrong opinion. In America, people talk over you. Seriously: What's the difference?"

This person is deadass serious. Yes, he also suffers from a massive case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Who was that redneck comedian from back in the '90s (back when there was a whole mess of redneck comedians on the scene all at once) who used to say, "You can't fix stupid?" Because I just heard his voice in my head as I read that.

And my mother-in-law, bless her heart, also suffers from TDS. She's REEEing about Trump not accepting testing kits from the WHO CHO, even though there is ample information out there about how the testing kits (and other medical supplies) sent from China have been faulty and/or contaminated with COVID-19.

Funny, but my TDS-infected mother and siblings haven't uttered a single word about Orange Man Bad since the beginning of March. Not. One. Word.

And when I talked to my mom a couple of days ago, she didn't try telling me all about something Rachel Maddow had said, for the first time since Trump got elected.

This is huge. I have honestly expected them to be frothing at the mouth about Trump each time I've talked to them recently, but I'm getting zilch, zero, nada.

I send my mom small batches of YouTube links every few days that I think she might find amusing or interesting (because she's 80, and can't be bothered with the internet, but she'll click on a link if I email her one). I've had to be incredibly selective about which coronavirus-related links I've sent, and have only sent her one in each batch, because if I send too many she'll feel like I'm pushing them on her, get annoyed and not click at all.

So I think she's been watching them, and actually thinking about them, and--fingers crossed--maybe she's noticed the discrepancies between the facts, and what comes out of Rachel Maddow's mouth ( ). I almost want to ask her about it, but it feels premature, so I'll let her bring it up first.

One thing that's bothering me. Apparently the UK lockdown rules also include "No unnecessary journeys" . I.e. no going for a drive into the country to go for a walk. I guess they are trying to limit geographic spread, but this seems ridiculous . Makes me wonder what's really going on. It just doesn't feel real at the moment. Mixture of draconian lockdown, and casual half arsed measures.

I suspect part of the reasoning behind that is to cut down on the number of road accidents, the victims of whom might require emergency medical treatment at a time when medical resources are stretched thin, or might be at breaking point. That's my guess, at any rate.

 

[Rohan Davey]

The population density is almost 10 times higher than Wuhan.

The density figure for Wuhan is a bit misleading. In contrast to American cities, whose limits are often not far from the downtown area and are often surrounded by suburbs that are administrated as separate cities, Chinese cities often encompass large swaths of the surrounding countryside. The most extreme example is Chongqing, which covers an area the size of South Carolina.

The city of Wuhan covers 3300 sq mi, but only 590 sq mi of that is urbanized area. The urbanized area contains 9 million of the city's total population of 11 million. This works out to about half as dense as NYC proper (but three times as dense as the total New York urbanized area).

TLDR: Wuhan is a giant Jacksonville.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I suspect part of the reasoning behind that is to cut down on the number of road accidents, the victims of whom might require emergency medical treatment at a time when medical resources are stretched thin, or might be at breaking point. That's my guess, at any rate.

That's pretty much it, but there's still some confusion over messaging on the matter. Derbyshire plod pushed this message during its disastrous drone video.

This is likely to smooth out as the guys who gave Boris his big General Election Victory got drafted back in to focus messaging and unify it. Which is why the "Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives" turned from the hideous red/white/blue to the yellow/black warning label we're seeing published everywhere now.

Honestly though, there's a lot of countryside that'd make a lot of sense for people to go for a walk if they'd just space out. The issue is too many folks don't have "other places" to go chill and socialise like they normally would.

 

[Not Really Here]

The density figure for Wuhan is a bit misleading. In contrast to American cities, whose limits are often not far from the downtown area and are often surrounded by suburbs that are administrated as separate cities, Chinese cities often encompass large swaths of the surrounding countryside. The most extreme example is Chongqing, which covers an area the size of South Carolina.

The city of Wuhan covers 3300 sq mi, but only 590 sq mi of that is urbanized area. The urbanized area contains 9 million of the city's total population of 11 million. This works out to about half as dense as NYC proper (but three times as dense as the total New York urbanized area).

TLDR: Wuhan is a giant Jacksonville.

New York City is 468.484 sq mi of urban area containing over 8 million people.
That's not "half as dense as NYC proper".

 

[RodgerDodger]

Michigan, USA
(Partial crosspost from the Lockdown Thread)

Detroit's hospitals are full, or close to it, and they are beginning to move patients to hospitals in other cities.

Henry Ford Allegiance Health accepts COVID-19 patients from Detroit-area hospitals

Jackson County also had its first double-digit increase in positive cases.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) declares a formal "state of disaster," effective "until the disaster no longer persists."
She is also asking the state legislature to grant her emergency powers for another 70 days, per our laws.

Whitmer declares disaster, asks Legislature to extend emergency powers by 70 days

Whitmer formally declared a state of disaster in Michigan Wednesday and has asked the Legislature to extend her March 10 state of emergency by 70 days

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Partisan fight incoming! Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey (R) wants a shorter extension of the governor's emergency powers.

Whitmer’s proposed 70-day emergency extension for coronavirus response ‘too long,’ Senate leader says

In a statement responding to Whitmer’s request to extend the current state of emergency another 70 days, Shirkey, R-Clark Lake, said Senate Republicans are prepared to support a “reasonable” extension.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Schools will not reopen this year, says Governor Whitmer. [Obligatory Alice Cooper reference].

Whitmer orders all Michigan schools to remain closed through academic year as coronavirus cases surge

All K-12 schools will remain closed throughout the academic year.

www.mlive.com

‘This does not mean our kids will stop learning,’ Whitmer says after extending school closures due to coronavirus

Whitmer signed an executive order to close K-12 schools for the remainder of the 2019-20 school year.

www.mlive.com

(archive) (archive)

State prisoners and prison employees will be required to wear masks, some of them possibly made by said prisoners, who are also making protective eyeware, soap, and cleaning supplies.

Michigan prisons will require inmates, employees to wear masks during virus crisis

When enough masks are available for every employee and prisoner at a facility to be issued three, they will be required during the crisis, the MDOC says

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential (groceries, gas stations, pharmacies, the usual) from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. (archive) (executive order saved on KF). Marijuana shops are open. Tobacco shops are closed (archive). K-12 schools suspended for remainder of year (archive). The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) are closing all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which will also be obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive)They will be making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and GM will be helping Ventec, a company that makes ventilators (archive - ventilators). Ford will be helping 3M and GE Healthcare to make respirators and ventilators (archive).

THE ECONOMY
Unemployment so high that claims must be made on certain days, based on claimant's last name. (archive)
The Great Lakes are at record or near-record highs, flooding our beaches and harming our chances of tourists saving our economy this summer (archive, archive)

FREE STUFF!
Free bus rides in Detroit after drivers' strike (archive- strike) (archive - free fares)
Free access to state parks (archive)
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive)
State prisoners are being provided two free phone calls and two free emails a week, by the 3rd party vendors thereof (archive)

FREEDOM!
Semi-trucks carrying essential supplies can ignore seasonal road weight limits (archive)
Distilleries can make hand sanitizer without a permit (archive)
Pharmacists may prescribe 60 days of emergency medication and may substitute drugs without physicians approval in event of shortages (archive). Various other medical restrictions loosened (archive).
Driver's Ed (the classroom portion) is now available online. (archive)
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive)
Restaurants can sell food like grocery stores (archive)

BAD SIGNS
Detroit hospitals claimed they were nearing capacity last week. (archive - March 24) (archive - March 25). They have now reached the point of moving patients out to other hospitals (archive)
Detroit hospitals prepare triage plans (archive on KF)
Detroit-area nurse makes a video (archive)
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a typo in the first place. (archive)

LAW AND ORDER
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
39 Detroit police officers and at least 1 firefighter tested positive and over 450 officers and 70 staff are quarantined (the Detroit Police Dept. has about 2,200 officers) (archive) Three Michigan officers and police staff dead, all in the Detroit area. (archive)
Despite this, 911 calls are down 15-20% in Detroit, and Mayor Mike Duggan (D) estimates actual crime has dropped even more (archive).
Two Kalamazoo police tested positive (archive). Two Saginaw police likewise (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive). Local law enforcement is floundering and we are essentially working on an honor system (archive - Kalamazoo) (archive - Ann Arbor).

DEATH TOLL
Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000):*

8,584 confirmed / 371 dead
7,468 confirmed / 296 dead yesterday
(i.e. 75 new deaths, up 7 from previous day)

Other Michigan (6,120,000):

2,207 confirmed / 46 dead
1,866 confirmed / 41 dead yesterday
(i.e. 5 new deaths, down 5 from previous day)

All Michigan (9,990,000):

10,791 confirmed / 417 dead
9,334 confirmed / 337 dead yesterday
(i.e. 80 new deaths, up 2 from previous day)

Death toll doubled since: March 30.
We have been locked down since: March 24.

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties. State prisoners are not counted towards any region's cases, but are kept in a category of their own.

Also one Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

I hope the good people of Michigan realize the dangers of giving that complete idiot Whitlock unrestricted power for any length of time? She actually makes deBlasio look competent and skilled in an emergency.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Ezra Levant of Rebel Media covers the fact that Chinese government researchers have linked the Wuhan Institute of Virology to the outbreak and makes the point that the coverup is very reminiscent of the USSR's coverup of Chernobyl and will hopefully cause the PRC to go the way of the USSR onto the ash-heap of history (archive).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUo1w5aSkro

Local upload

Now I know Ezra's a bit of a grifter and Rebel Media is a fringe outlet but it's good to see the story getting a bit of coverage in the media. Interesting Tucker Carlson seems to have covered it too, which means Trump most definitely knows.

 

[Rohan Davey]

New York City is 468.484 sq mi of urban area containing over 8 million people.
That's not "half as dense as NYC proper".

A third of that is water. I was basing it on land area (302 sq mi). 302 is roughly half of 590.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Before coronapanic, America was like a "strip mall society."

Now America is like a "drive-thru society" -- more isolating.

 

[TheRedChair]

UpDate: Memology
Equador - Inferno. 4/1/2020 4:37

Ecuador - Infierno

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My take? This is to be expected in Latin America. Some of the countries are more civilized than others.

But then you have this shit happen

El Helicoptero Bendito

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Money being wasted by a government.

Slight power level. I was investing money into bio fuel at the time certain counties were way ahead of the US using switch grass. There was a time in the early to mid 2000's where there opportunity for many Latin American Nations to advance. But because of the formation of B.R.I.C.S. in 2009/2010 I saw the writing on the wall and left that region entirely.

BRICS Stands for Brazil. Russia, India, China, South Africa.

IMHO that's when S.America started to become on shit hole. As BRICS has a real influence down there. Everything China and to a lesser extent Russia touches... dies...

Archived the Equator video

https://archive.li/wip/bjShN

 

[Radical Cadre]

In China if you express dissent against your rulers you might not be allowed on high speed trains. In the US if you do the same you might lose your livelihood and not be allowed to use AirBnB, Uber, Twitter, and Facebook. But you'll still be allowed to use Amtrak (for now). So yes, there clearly is a difference.

This one is not exactly your best. See me after class.

 

[XYZpdq]

>texting pal about how [zipcode I'm in] is now a hotspot according to the county
>>pal
>hot spot for what
>>me
>hot spot for nachos lol what the fuck hot spot do you think anybody is talking about

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Thanks to Ezra Levant reading out the whole damn paper on the video I archived above, I found the Xiao Botao paper in pdf form

Link
https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.i...0192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

Archive
https://web.archive.org/web/2020033...0192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

Here it is an attachment

 

[Lurker69]

The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'

The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'

On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration significantly rolled back restrictions on blood donations from men who have had sex with other men, citing an 'urgent need for blood' caused by the coronavirus outbreak. The FDA's decision marks a dramatic shift from federal rules that have been in...

theweek.com

http://archive.is/Do8gW