Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[PepsiVanilla]

These clowns have some real nerve that is for sure. How about this, we can give them some cash for their swiss bank accounts if they hand over Tederos and that Canadian Cuck Boy. We will let them loose naked in New York City and play a game to see if they can make it out alive.

Sad thing is, I feel like any other modern president besides Trump would actually go along with it.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

What in the actual fuck? Seeds aren't face masks...

Seeds give people a way to grow more food.

Seems that Walmart is going to try to ban selling "non-essential" items like garden supplies, including seeds. It's April. This will not go over well.

Edit - so far it's only happening in Vermont. Note to other Walmart stores - this is a bad idea. Don't do that.

They're also classing clothing and electronics as nonessential. Electronics, I can kind of get. Clothing, I don't. Did Vermont forget about that part of the population that constantly outgrows their clothes?

Keeping the phone part of electronics open would have been a good idea. Maybe the radios, too. Hope this isn't a sign of things to come.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Seems that Walmart is going to try to ban selling "non-essential" items like garden supplies, including seeds. It's April. This will not go over well.

Edit - so far it's only happening in Vermont. Note to other Walmart stores - this is a bad idea. Don't do that.

More than that, but apparently just in Vermont. They keep this shit up, gonna be problems. Just a matter of time before people start seriously resisting.

Vermont orders Walmart, Target to stop selling non-essential items in the store

The order applies to "big box" stores in the state as a way to increase social distancing between customers during the coronavirus crisis.

www.wtol.com

Toledo-Lucas County coronavirus update | Health department confirms 6…

archived 3 Apr 2020 14:24:17 UTC

archive.vn

I don't live in Vermont, but I've dealt with it before, and some Vermonster Kiwis can confirm/deny but this is a total punitive power play by the state against Big Box stores.

Vermont municipalities hate big box retail. They see them coming into their quaint towns and destroying all the local mom and pops, killing the downtowns, taking their homespun trees and maple syrup state and turning into a strip mall. To combat this, they throw as many roadblocks in the way of corporations as they can-oppressive local green space and signage rules, high taxes, etc. Referendum after referendum, zoning board hearings, and the like.

Now I get that, and they are right. But now is not the time to fight that fight. You can't unring that bell and get Walmart to move out and suddenly the downtown will come to life again in 6 months. All this is doing is making it much more difficult for local people to buy things they need besides food. You can go to Amazon, but you would have to wait days or even weeks. And that's as long as Amazon is functional and selling to the public, and as long as deliveries can come into the state. All this can change if this goes on.

I have a personal example. I don't eat a lot at home, so I am lacking some kitchen shit. A week into the lockdown in my state, I realized if I was gonna cook a box of mac and cheese and ration it over a couple days, I needed some plastic tupperware type containers. Now I could have ordered from Amazon and waited a few days. I could have looked on the Walmart website, guessed at what this looked like and how big it was, ordered it and got it curbside like in VT. And that's if the store had enough people to be personal shoppers for non essential products. Instead, I walked into the Walmart, the only general merch store open in my town, and looked at what they had, got what fit me best, and bought a few groceries too.

And again, this is solely aimed at big box stores in VT. I bet dollars to cider doughnuts that Joe's General Store in Rutland is still open and selling nonessential goods, because hey we love Joe! He's CONTRIBUTING TO THIS COMMUNITY unlike EVIL CORPORATE WALMART FUNNELING THE MONEY INTO ARKANSAS. But Walmart and Target are employing people locally too. Is Joe the Country Store Owner more important than Sally the Hourly Minimum Wage Slave? If Walmart closes and Joe can't afford to bring on 200 people to his 10 person staff and Sally can't buy bread, should she just eat cake?

Fucking bullshit.

 

[Not Really Here]

Stars and Stripes just published this on the Theodore Roosevelt situation.

View attachment 1214007

You know, if the Navy wanted to get rid of the captain for making them look bad, there was so many ways they could have done it that didnt involve...making them look bad. Like jesus, have him report to the CNOs office for a reprimand, wait 6 months to shuffle him off to a desk on shore to await inevitable retirement.

Definitely scratching my head at the decision to just up and relieve him from Duty post haste. It's going to make the investigation into this a shit show. Not a good look for the navy.

I think going public with readiness information about a strategic asset because you forgot NBC protocols exist is a little more than just 'making the Navy look bad'.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I've always wondered if Coronavirus might cause support for incumbent politicians to spike, rather like 9/11 did with Bush because people tend to huddle closer around the leaders they have in a crisis, even if those leaders are less than ideal. Well look at this poll

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/sgj7p6jhwf/TheTimes_VI_200402_W.pdf
https://archive.vn/wip/INRVO
https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...ougov.com/sgj7p6jhwf/TheTimes_VI_200402_W.pdf

Boris Johnson's Conservative party has 52% support compared to 28% for Labour. A 24% lead. That's not normal in UK politics, as even a 10% lead is regarded as a sign the government is doing pretty well.

As Electoral Calculus puts it.

Opinium conducted two polls this month, both before and after the UK lockdown was announced on 23 March. According to them, the public's net approval of the government's handling of the situation increased from 14pc net approval (total of those approving minus those disapproving) up to 43pc, a gain of 29pc. Trust in Boris Johnson personally increased from −2pc net trust up to +26pc, a gain of 28pc in just two weeks. Those figures are broadly confirmed by a Number Cruncher Politics poll which measured net satisfaction with the government at 47pc, and the same number for satisfaction with Boris Johnson.

It's probably a survival characteristic for humans to put aside disputes over who should lead the tribe when it looks like the tribe is about to take a major battering from an outside force, and that is where the 28% gain in approval rating is coming from.

If you look at the polls Britain Elects have been tweeting out recently, you can see the same thing.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I don't live in Vermont, but I've dealt with it before, and some Vermonster Kiwis can confirm/deny but this is a total punitive power play by the state against Big Box stores.

Vermont municipalities hate big box retail. They see them coming into their quaint towns and destroying all the local mom and pops, killing the downtowns, taking their homespun trees and maple syrup state and turning into a strip mall. To combat this, they throw as many roadblocks in the way of corporations as they can-oppressive local green space and signage rules, high taxes, etc. Referendum after referendum, zoning board hearings, and the like.

Now I get that, and they are right. But now is not the time to fight that fight. You can't unring that bell and get Walmart to move out and suddenly the downtown will come to life again in 6 months. All this is doing is making it much more difficult for local people to buy things they need besides food. You can go to Amazon, but you would have to wait days or even weeks. And that's as long as Amazon is functional and selling to the public, and as long as deliveries can come into the state. All this can change if this goes on.

I have a personal example. I don't eat a lot at home, so I am lacking some kitchen shit. A week into the lockdown in my state, I realized if I was gonna cook a box of mac and cheese and ration it over a couple days, I needed some plastic tupperware type containers. Now I could have ordered from Amazon and waited a few days. I could have looked on the Walmart website, guessed at what this looked like and how big it was, ordered it and got it curbside like in VT. And that's if the store had enough people to be personal shoppers for non essential products. Instead, I walked into the Walmart, the only general merch store open in my town, and looked at what they had, got what fit me best, and bought a few groceries too.

And again, this is solely aimed at big box stores in VT. I bet dollars to cider doughnuts that Joe's General Store in Rutland is still open and selling nonessential goods, because hey we love Joe! He's CONTRIBUTING TO THIS COMMUNITY unlike EVIL CORPORATE WALMART FUNNELING THE MONEY INTO ARKANSAS. But Walmart and Target are employing people locally too. Is Joe the Country Store Owner more important than Sally the Hourly Minimum Wage Slave? If Walmart closes and Joe can't afford to bring on 200 people to his 10 person staff and Sally can't buy bread, should she just eat cake?

Fucking bullshit.

It’s progressive liberalism 101. You must always be seen to be more progressive than the next guy. To be doing more. Thus each idiot in charge will double down on every situation. To be see to be doing something, and doing more than the next guy. It doesn’t matter that what they are doing is pointless, stupid, and does actual harm to the Serfs. Just so long as they are visibly showing more progress.

the Libertarians are the exact opposite, but equally destructive. They virtue signal by competing for who can do the least.

 

[AltisticRight]

Qingming is on the 4th of April, which is in several minutes from the the time of this post, Beijing Timezone. It is the day where people memorialise the deceased, usually family members and/or ancestors.
China is looking to memorialise the ones who lost their lives in combating coronachan and her victims. Not bad. Many company pages have swapped their logos to black and white scheme.

However, Qingming gatherings are strictly banned. Dr Li is among the first 13 official "heroes" in combating Coronachan of China.
RIP.

Flag half-raised, alarms etc for 3 minutes starting from 10am, nationally memorial for the deceased. All recreational activities will be stopped also.

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nQ4y1M7xm?spm_id_from=333.851.b_7265706f7274466972737431.6

 

[RodgerDodger]

I think going public with readiness information about a strategic asset because you forgot NBC protocols exist is a little more than just 'making the Navy look bad'.

Agreed. While I admire him for standing up for his men, he did so stupidly in a way that not only grossly compromised National Security, but put all the men under him in an extremely dangerous situation at a time of the worst international tensions since early December 1941. He has a compromised Nuclear Carier. One of the US core strategic assets. Stuck on the doorstep of where enemy forces are gathering and rattling sabers. He literally signed up his crew to BE Pearl Harbor for WW3 by running to the press with this. China’s known and stated goal in any Pacific conflict is to quickly sink 1-2 American Carriers to cause such a loss of life that the American people will not have the stomach for fighting for the Western Pacific. (Yes it’s the same idiotic plan the Japanese went with. The Chinese are only willing to learn from Chinese History, and not others filthy history.) And this moron of a Captain just parked his Carrier, exposed immobile and defenseless in range of Chinese Missiles. At a moment in history where China just might see advantage in military adventurism. So yeah, publicly stripping him of command is the soft option. Not that the press will see it that way.

 

[MidUSA]

Did Vermont forget about that part of the population that constantly outgrows their clothes?

I believe we have a sub-forum for them now on the farms:

https://kiwifarms.st/forums/deathfats.105/

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

that's what, two 9/11s worth now.

Taliban dude reading this in a Pakistani cave: "Years of intricate plotting, intel leaks and pilots training and we could have take down the entire West just by eating a couple of penguins pangolins and going on vacation!? Aziz, I fucking quit."

I think going public with readiness information about a strategic asset because you forgot NBC protocols exist is a little more than just 'making the Navy look bad'.

As I understand it he never went public. He contacted his higher ups who did fuck all. Then he shared the email with other high ranking Navy niggers to get his superiors to act. That was what got him shit canned.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I believe we have a sub-forum for them now on the farms:

https://kiwifarms.st/forums/deathfats.105/

I meant children. The deathfats can just throw on some tarps.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

From what I've seen, it sounds like Detroit is also going to eat shit hard over this outbreak. Any Motor City Kiwis here that can confirm this?

 

[Not Really Here]

Agreed. While I admire him for standing up for his men, he did so stupidly in a way that not only grossly compromised National Security, but put all the men under him in an extremely dangerous situation at a time of the worst international tensions since early December 1941. He has a compromised Nuclear Carier. One of the US core strategic assets. Stuck on the doorstep of where enemy forces are gathering and rattling sabers. He literally signed up his crew to BE Pearl Harbor for WW3 by running to the press with this. China’s known and stated goal in any Pacific conflict is to quickly sink 1-2 American Carriers to cause such a loss of life that the American people will not have the stomach for fighting for the Western Pacific. (Yes it’s the same idiotic plan the Japanese went with. The Chinese are only willing to learn from Chinese History, and not others filthy history.) And this moron of a Captain just parked his Carrier, exposed immobile and defenseless in range of Chinese Missiles. At a moment in history where China just might see advantage in military adventurism. So yeah, publicly stripping him of command is the soft option. Not that the press will see it that way.

There's standing up for your men, then there's painting a bigass target on them while looking like you are an incompetent member of a pussy European Service with LGBTQ and race quotas.
Just being fired is a lucky outcome for him in my meaningless opinion.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Boris Johnson's Conservative party has 52% support compared to 28% for Labour. A 24% lead. That's not normal in UK politics, as even a 10% lead is regarded as a sign the government is doing pretty well.

If you punched it into a seats calculator (if there were a GE tomorrow) the Tory majority would be 238.

The Lib Dems would be annihilated down to 2 seats.

In all I think the government's doing a pretty decent job considering the scale of the threat and I've joined in with the various supporting acts people have been calling for. My whole street came out to applaud the NHS last night and it was great to see. There's a lot of rallying comments, and the usual contrarians.

It also seems Hancock's popularity is rising. He's not the best media performer, but seems to be on top of his brief and has the details either to hand, or inside his head when questioned by the media. He's seen a surprise rise among the party faithful, and is now more front and centre on aspects such as opening the Nightingale Hospitals and handling briefings on his own.

 

[Irrelevant]

The only way to guarantee herd immunity to a disease is to vaccinate everyone who can tolerate the vaccine before they catch the disease, which obviously needs a vaccine to exist.

That's not true. There are several ways to create a herd immunity.

1. Let everyone get infected quickly and the herd immunity comes after the pandemic.
2. Let some people get infected slowly (flatten the curve) and the herd immunity comes during the pandemic.
3. A vaccine.
4. I suppose technically social distancing would count too if it was permanent and permanently lowered the R0 to below 1.

I'm sure @Freya's point is that the people who are mocking herd immunity are also promoting #2 not realising that herd immunity is part of that plan. #2 without the herd immunity will quickly cause another outbreak after quarantines end.

 

[Slap47]

https://archive.is/VaJKe

Stars and Stripes just published this on the Theodore Roosevelt situation.

View attachment 1214007

You know, if the Navy wanted to get rid of the captain for making them look bad, there was so many ways they could have done it that didnt involve...making them look bad. Like jesus, have him report to the CNOs office for a reprimand, wait 6 months to shuffle him off to a desk on shore to await inevitable retirement.

Definitely scratching my head at the decision to just up and relieve him from Duty post haste. It's going to make the investigation into this a shit show. Not a good look for the navy.

Imagine expecting peacetime senior officers to be competent.

It happens to every country but America seems to be the worst at not just promoting people based on seniority. It`s a miracle that you even had somebody like Schwarzkopf for the Gulf War.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I think going public with readiness information about a strategic asset because you forgot NBC protocols exist is a little more than just 'making the Navy look bad'.

Ship is in fucking Guam too. That's within range of Chinese land based missiles. I'm going to wait for more information to come out before making a verdict but with the way the media is in China's pocket I'm extremely leery about any narrative pushed from that direction.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Help arrives to lend even a small amount of relief (including expertise/access to the US Navy command structure) to the people on the ground and surprise surprise it isn't good enough for New Yorkers and the media.

"WAAAAAAAH! WHY ISN'T IT MORE HELP!? FUCK YOU!"

Okay fine. Send the ship somewhere else and quit bitching as your city collapses. Federalism is a bitch and the national government doesn't have to help bail out your lazy state government.

Jesus fucking Christ you New Yorkers make it so hard to be sympathetic toward your situation. Someone is trying to help, it isn't what you expected and you complain complain complain. People complained when the US Navy offered the ships, they complained that the ships were going to take too long to arrive, and now that the ships are there you are still complaining. Shut your mouth, you're going to get infected if you keep flapping your jaw.

Piss off, it's even worse with the ship docked at LA. The Army hospital at the Javits Center is taking patients without bureaucratic bullshit. The Navy's criteria is so restrictive and time-consuming hospitals don't even bother. Looks like it's doing what the Navy does best; looking good and not much else. Both ships can fuck off and look pretty somewhere else.

Looks like that's going to change after the Pentagon got involved.

Navy hospital ship in New York changes patient screening process

A U.S. Navy hospital ship docked in New York is loosening its screening process for patients to get on board, the Pentagon said Friday, after criticism that the ship has been too slow in admitting patients.

thehill.com

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Not sure if this was already brought up

Philippines president gives authorities okay to shoot those violating coronavirus lockdown orders

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte is allowing for the use of deadly force against those found violating lockdown standards implemented in an effort curtail the spread of the coronavirus.

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

The Navy's criteria is so restrictive

Pray tell, what do you think is easier to decontaminate, a giant ship or a temp hospital on the ground?