Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Bad_Guys_are_Good4EVER]

If the coronavirus is still a huge thing around Halloween, my Halloween costume will be dressing up in a CDC Hazmat Suit and going to my local Walmart. The scares will be hilarious.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I was just passed this graph so I'll post it:

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

From what I've seen, it sounds like Detroit is also going to eat shit hard over this outbreak. Any Motor City Kiwis here that can confirm this?

Not in the Motor City itself, but in Michigan. @Broadwing summed it up very well. I'm uncertain what will happen going forward. There are about 70 deaths a day in the tri-county area, and that seems to be holding steady the past few days. The hospitals are nearly full and they're starting to ship COVID patients out to hospitals around the state (archive). Crime is down for now, apparently because everyone is too scared to go out, but a good chunk of the police force is either positive or quarantined. The first two articles here break the situation down more, if you want more details.

As expected, Corona-Chan appears to be hitting the Black population particularly hard. I say "appears" because 40% of cases did not record the race of the patient, leaving most data uncertain.

Michigan's COVID-19 cases, deaths hit blacks disproportionately

The coronavirus has disproportionately hit Michigan's black residents, according to a racial breakdown the state released for the first time Thursday

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)
Highlight:

Of the 417 people in the state who have died from the virus, 40% were black or African American while 26% were white. For 30%, their race was unknown. Michigan's population is about 75% white and 13.6% black, according to 2018 U.S. Census Bureau data.

More relevantly, the Detroit Metro Area, the center of the outbreak (371 out of the then-417 deaths), is about 60% White and 25% Black, (Wayne County and Detroit City are, of course, even Blacker) so deaths, while disproportionate, are not quite as much so as the article would suggest.

Wayne County, Detroit account for 47% of state's coronavirus cases

Washtenaw County Health Department health officer: “Viruses like COVID-19 can highlight health disparities that are deeply rooted in our society."

www.freep.com

(archive)
Some highlights:

Michigan ranks sixth-highest among all the U.S. states in prevalence of asthma among adults, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.
The disease is 29% more prevalent among Detroiters than Michiganders as a whole, and also affects African Americans, those who are poor and those without health insurance more than people who are white, wealthier and better insured.
About a million people in Michigan, or 12.4% of the state's population, have diabetes, according to the American Diabetes Association. The risk of developing diabetes is 77% higher among African Americans than among non-Hispanic white Americans, according to the National Medical Association.
In addition, about 31% of Michigan adults are obese, according to the MDHHS, and 35% of Michiganders are overweight.

A look at how many hospital beds, ICU beds, and ventilators Michigan has, by region.

New data shows how many beds, ventilators are available by region in Michigan

As the number of COVID-19 infections in Michigan rises, hospitals are bracing for shortages in staffing and beds, and s crucial supplies.

www.freep.com

(archive)

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) orders all persons with symptoms of Coronavirus to stay home until 3 days after symptoms disappear.

The order requires people — regardless of whether they are deemed essential — to stay home for three days after their symptoms end or seven days after their symptoms appear or they were swabbed for a positive case.
The edict also requires close contacts of a symptomatic individual to remain in their homes for 14 days or until they test negative for the virus.
The 14-day provision does not apply to health care workers, first responders, child care providers or correction officers.

Also, the fine for violations has been increased to $1,500. $500 in criminal penalties and $1,000 in civil.

Whitmer order tightens stay-home edict, restricts those who have been exposed

Whitmer strengthened the stay-at-home order she issued two weeks ago, ordering anyone with COVID-19 symptoms or a positive coronavirus test to stay home

www.detroitnews.com

(archive) (Newest executive order on state website - archive)

Police in Muskegon report increase in vehicle break-ins, domestic break-ins and burglaries, business break-ins, and domestic violence; decrease in traffic stops.
"Burglaries were up 186 percent in March over the same period in 2019," according to the city's website.

Muskegon area police deal with social gatherings, break-ins during coronavirus

Domestic violence reports also are up.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential (groceries, gas stations, pharmacies, the usual) from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. (archive) (executive order saved on KF). Marijuana shops are open. Tobacco shops are closed (archive). K-12 schools suspended for remainder of year, but alternate learning plans will be implemented (archive) (archive). The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) are closing all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which will also be obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). They will be making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and GM will be helping Ventec, a company that makes ventilators (archive - ventilators). Ford will be helping 3M and GE Healthcare to make respirators and ventilators (archive).

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Unemployment so high that claims must be made on certain days, based on claimant's last name. (archive)
The Great Lakes are at record or near-record highs, flooding our beaches and harming our chances of tourists saving our economy this summer (archive, archive)
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).

FREE STUFF!
Free bus rides in Detroit after drivers' strike (archive- strike) (archive - free fares)
Free access to state parks (archive)
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive)
State prisoners are being provided two free phone calls and two free emails a week, by the 3rd party vendors thereof (archive)

FREEDOM!
Semi-trucks carrying essential supplies can ignore seasonal road weight limits (archive)
Distilleries can make hand sanitizer without a permit (archive)
Pharmacists may prescribe 60 days of emergency medication and may substitute drugs without physicians approval in event of shortages (archive). Various other medical restrictions loosened (archive).
Driver's Ed (the classroom portion) is now available online. (archive)
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive)
Restaurants can sell food like grocery stores (archive)

HEALTH CARE
Detroit hospitals are at or near capacity and have reached the point of moving patients out to other hospitals (archive - March 30).
Detroit hospitals prepare triage plans (archive on KF)
Detroit-area nurse makes a video (archive)
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a typo in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are beginning to test the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
A look at how many hospital beds, ICU beds, and ventilators Michigan has, by region (archive).

LAW AND ORDER
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
106 Detroit police officers and staff and 24 firefighters and staff tested positive and hundreds of others are quarantined (the Detroit Police Dept. has about 2,200 officers) (archive) (archive - April 2) Three Michigan officers and police staff dead, all in the Detroit area. (archive).
Despite this, 911 calls are down 15-20% in Detroit, and Mayor Mike Duggan (D) estimates actual crime has dropped even more (archive).
Police in Muskegon report increase in vehicle break-ins, domestic break-ins and burglaries, business break-ins, and domestic violence; decrease in traffic stops (archive).
Police starting to test positive everywhere (archive - Kalamazoo). (archive - Saginaw).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $500 $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive). Local law enforcement is floundering and we are essentially working on an honor system (archive - Kalamazoo) (archive - Ann Arbor).

DEATH TOLL
Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000):*

10,196 confirmed / 424 dead
8,584 confirmed / 371 dead yesterday
(i.e. 53 new deaths, down 22 from previous day)

Other Michigan (6,120,000):

2,548 confirmed / 55 dead
2,207 confirmed / 46 dead yesterday
(i.e. 9 new deaths, up 4 from previous day)

All Michigan (9,990,000):

12,744 confirmed / 479 dead
10,791 confirmed / 417 dead yesterday
(i.e. 62 new deaths, down 18 from previous day)

Death toll doubled since: March 30.
We have been locked down since: March 24.

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in a category of their own.

Also one Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

 

[los pepes]

Both ships combined took in 40 patients, both boats have over 2000 beds available. LA has a population of 4 million, NYC a little over 8.5 million. It's such a tiny number of patients they might as well as not have taken any in. In the article I linked to earlier the ships have now changed their screening procedures so your concerns are moot.

That's really stupid. It just arrived. The first article was complaining that there were 3 patients... then 20....

Tomorrow the same morons will be complaining that there are only 80, then 200, then 500.

If 3 weeks from now there are 20 people having been treated then I'll listen. Until then all these people hysterically screeching that the ship didn't scoop up the first 1000 people that showed up with no screening process and end up contaminating everyone can go jump off a bridge.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I was just passed this graph so I'll post it:View attachment 1214230

That would put Boris hopefully in the second group and not the third or fourth.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This is mainly women in their 30s-50s

Wife vaguely falls into this category. She keeps saying she feels like she should volunteer for something. I've had to remind her that she has a stable, well paid job that is letting her work from home for the duration and that giving that up to do something where she'll most likely just get in the way would not only fuck up they plans of whoever is trying to organise shit, but would deprive us of a significant amount of money right when we need to be building up more savings.

Some people are incapable of understanding that there are times when doing nothing is the best response to a situation. They're compelled to do something now now now.

I'm distracting her with garden work. Hopefully that will stop her doing something rash.

 

[Stoneheart]

But since we're having supermarket spread despite enforced separation here in spain and from what I've seen on both hospital outbreaks, I'd call bullshit anyway. Even the cooks got infected. The kitchen has separate airflow it has to have been from surface contact in the elevator. (We're segregating people on the elevator to avoid contagion)

I would guess its the air in the elevator. those arent vented that good. for surface contact? why arent the surfaces wiped after infected touched them?

 

[Otterly]

Wasnt there an issue with 5g and weather forecasting? Something about the frequencies overlapping those used for stuff like rain radars?
People have been blasting RF frequencies at everything from bacteria to rats for years now. There’s not much to be seen bar thermal effects, but I think there’s a study on acoustic neuromas somewhere that links them to phone usage. Again that could be thermal. There’s so little evidence of health effects.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

If China tries to invade Taiwan and the Taiwanese government decides to fight it will be a shitshow for China. There was an exercise called the Millennium Challenge in 2002 that showed Iran could devastate a US fleet with antiship missiles and small boats. Well if Iran could do it to the US, Taiwan could certainly do something similar to a Chinese invasion force. The only way China is going to be able to take over Taiwan is if they can get a Taiwanese government to surrender. Just like the only way in retrospect German could have taken over the UK in 1940 would be if they could bluff the UK government into surrendering. There's no sign of that happening in Taiwan, in fact, they just re-elected the DPP, the most hawkish party when it comes to China. I also think the US and Japan would send Aegis ships to intercept Chinese short-range ballistic missiles aimed at Taiwanese airstrips. All of which would mean that Beijing would know that trying to escalate would lead to WWIII. The Baltic States and Russia are in a much dicier situation, Putin has a record of doing some really reckless things in both Ukraine and Georgia and invalidating NATO's article V is a plausible long term goal of his foreign policy.

That "Iran kills US navy with fishing boats and missiles" wargame story was fake and gay, it was some kind of glitch in the computer systems that was exploited, and was immediately corrected. The Navy released a detailed statement about it, if you care enough to search. This is one of those piece of shit 3rd hand anecdotes uncritically exploited by people for political messaging purposes.

I don't want to turn it into 'it's the blacks lololol' but they're certainly over-represented in the data and it's easy to guess why - poor, bad health statistics, mostly service sector jobs that require a lot of in person contact and intensely active family/social contact. Not being in the city at all I don't know how the downtown core's responding but the resurgence there was always kind of a veneer - if things get as bad as they look like they might it could lead to another hollowing out of downtown.

Speaking of anecdotes, there's plenty flying around about severe viral outbreaks in black and beaner demos (no, not herpes or AIDS this time lol). My personal one comes 1st and 2nd hand from a smaller town in the South, majority black. Some vector introduced the virus to the area, and the blacks there continued to have parties, barbecues, gatherings, and most notably a large funeral for a recently limited boogie after the first cases were confirmed. Unsurprisingly, there was a lot of community spread, and now this otherwise low density area is a hotspot for the China Virus. The white residents of the area have been openly blaming the jigs for exacerbating the outbreak, and indeed most of the treatment-seeking cases are among blacks.

 

[simulated goat]

For those keeping an eye on the weird religious cult phenomenon, I found a rather thorough article on Scientology vis a vis the virus. I just hope they're cocky enough to be using the Freewinds right now.

https://archive.is/Vu4eB

How Scientology is coping with COVID-19 as chairman says it's hysteria

Scientology appears to be caught in a 'perfect storm', whistleblowers tell DailyMail.com as they believe the virus could bring the religion to its knees.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thousands of visitors from overseas, who bring in millions in revenue by attending courses, are being affected by the travel ban imposed by President Donald Trump on virus-stricken European countries.

And the church's belief that illness is a sign of someone being a Potential Trouble Source means that any infected followers will likely choose to hide their symptoms – helping to spread the virus further.

 

[MediocreMilt]

why arent the surfaces wiped after infected touched them?

A) who is infected?
B) how often can you reasonably wipe without just getting in the way
C) how often can you wipe when cleaning supplies are a scarce resource

 

[Stoneheart]

A) who is infected?
B) how often can you reasonably wipe without just getting in the way
C) how often can you wipe when cleaning supplies are a scarce resource

A) every patient should be handled as if he was infected
B) it takes 30s to wipe all surface areas that are normaly touched like buttons and handles.
C)there is no shortage of supplies, if anything the use of Hydrogen Peroxide went down because the Industry isnt realy running.

 

[weegrumpy]

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGw5Ucmwk8

Local archi

Crowder really irritates me personally, even if I don't disagree with him much politically. He just seems like a complete cunt.



1. Infect stupid baizuo Westerners with a deadly virus causing them to lockdown by telling them it was racist to ban travel from China
2. Provide a free teleconferencing app which sends info back to China
3. Collect loads of useful data



Just search for a snapshot or create one here or here. Or use a bookmarklet to do it.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...ico-murder-rate-homicide-coronavirus-covid-19

Also, a new Boris Johnson video. He still has a fever after 7 days and looks like crap to honest. Oh dear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8mqzZ7mhwM

View attachment 1214228

Thanks for doing that as i fucked up the embed coz imma gen x Er and pissed on lager lol

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

View attachment 1214051

https://archive.li/VaJKe

He forgot a hashtag. #Needboyfriendfreegirl

 

[the fall of man]

Is the Bay Area dense?

San Francisco itself is incredibly dense - it’s 2 million people on a tiny, crowded* peninsula. Certain parts of San Mateo County, the center of the peninsula, are also pretty dense - of note is Daly City, the famed little boxes made of ticky tacky, a bedroom community for San Francisco and Palo Alto.

Santa Clara County, the next county south and home to Silicon Valley and some of the earliest coronavirus infections, gets more open as you exit the peninsula - the population density of the city of Santa Clara is 6,327 (Las Vegas, comparatively, is 4,376) - and you can tell as you cross the underpass from Sunnyvale that you are in a place that is less walkable, less dense, and less well-maintained (also, the strip malls change in language and demographic from Indian to Korean). San Jose, further to the south, is sprawling - it’s one of the largest cities in the US both by size and population - and south of that is the garlic farms of Gilroy and rolling hills.

*Edit: I am an idiot. SF is not on a landlocked peninsula, its growth is restricted due to being on a peninsula.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Wife vaguely falls into this category. She keeps saying she feels like she should volunteer for something. I've had to remind her that she has a stable, well paid job that is letting her work from home for the duration and that giving that up to do something where she'll most likely just get in the way would not only fuck up they plans of whoever is trying to organise shit, but would deprive us of a significant amount of money right when we need to be building up more savings.

Some people are incapable of understanding that there are times when doing nothing is the best response to a situation. They're compelled to do something now now now.

I'm distracting her with garden work. Hopefully that will stop her doing something rash.

It's perfectly natural to want to go out, and help others in times of need, and I completely understand why your wife feels so compelled to do so.

However, that doesn't mean that she should go out, and volunteer. At least not in your situation.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

C) how often can you wipe when cleaning supplies are a scarce resource

D) Wear gloves when you're outside and assume all surfaces are contaminated.

That "Iran kills US navy with fishing boats and missiles" wargame story was fake and gay, it was some kind of glitch in the computer systems that was exploited, and was immediately corrected. The Navy released a detailed statement about it, if you care enough to search. This is one of those piece of shit 3rd hand anecdotes uncritically exploited by people for political messaging purposes.

If you launch a big enough volley of Hsiung Feng III supersonic anti-ship missiles at a Chinese invasion force sufficient to overload their defenses, you're gonna sink a lot of ships. Even a US invasion force would have a problem in that scenario, which is why US carriers are planning to stay further away from hostile coasts (Archive). You can't stay away from a hostile coast if you're doing a D-Day style naval invasion. Taiwan can't match China ship-for-ship but they can make sure they've got enough HF-III missiles to sink those ships and those missiles are domestically produced. It's hard to see how D-Day could have worked if the Germans had had the ability to track and sink ships over the horizon the English Channel was as wide as the Taiwan Strait.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

I don't live in Vermont, but I've dealt with it before, and some Vermonster Kiwis can confirm/deny but this is a total punitive power play by the state against Big Box stores.

Vermont municipalities hate big box retail. They see them coming into their quaint towns and destroying all the local mom and pops, killing the downtowns, taking their homespun trees and maple syrup state and turning into a strip mall. To combat this, they throw as many roadblocks in the way of corporations as they can-oppressive local green space and signage rules, high taxes, etc. Referendum after referendum, zoning board hearings, and the like.

Now I get that, and they are right. But now is not the time to fight that fight. You can't unring that bell and get Walmart to move out and suddenly the downtown will come to life again in 6 months. All this is doing is making it much more difficult for local people to buy things they need besides food. You can go to Amazon, but you would have to wait days or even weeks. And that's as long as Amazon is functional and selling to the public, and as long as deliveries can come into the state. All this can change if this goes on.

I have a personal example. I don't eat a lot at home, so I am lacking some kitchen shit. A week into the lockdown in my state, I realized if I was gonna cook a box of mac and cheese and ration it over a couple days, I needed some plastic tupperware type containers. Now I could have ordered from Amazon and waited a few days. I could have looked on the Walmart website, guessed at what this looked like and how big it was, ordered it and got it curbside like in VT. And that's if the store had enough people to be personal shoppers for non essential products. Instead, I walked into the Walmart, the only general merch store open in my town, and looked at what they had, got what fit me best, and bought a few groceries too.

And again, this is solely aimed at big box stores in VT. I bet dollars to cider doughnuts that Joe's General Store in Rutland is still open and selling nonessential goods, because hey we love Joe! He's CONTRIBUTING TO THIS COMMUNITY unlike EVIL CORPORATE WALMART FUNNELING THE MONEY INTO ARKANSAS. But Walmart and Target are employing people locally too. Is Joe the Country Store Owner more important than Sally the Hourly Minimum Wage Slave? If Walmart closes and Joe can't afford to bring on 200 people to his 10 person staff and Sally can't buy bread, should she just eat cake?

Fucking bullshit.

It has gotten a little batty here, but it's a quiet kind of dread. People still go out and about - groceries and walks - only everyone is now (rightly) paranoid of their personal space. Every now and again you see a mask, some gloves, or a makeshift mask made from cloth. People are worried about being able to pay next month's bills if the quarantine goes past April 15.

As for the punitive power play hypothesis, maybe. It's no secret that Vermont values its local businesses more than regional or national chains. I contend that it's less anti-corporate pandering and more of an "oh fuck, this state has demographics like a nursing home, fuck fuck fuck" response. Vermont's rate of infection seems much high than the rest of the Union and that's probably because Vermont is home to one of the most elderly populations in America. Corona-chan isn't very kind to old folks.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Couple of 30 something nurses dead in UK .

Two young nurses die as NHS braces for more coronavirus losses

Areema Nasreen and Aimee O’Rourke were in their 30s and had contracted the virus

www.theguardian.com

Two young nurses die as NHS braces for more coronavirus losses | Soci…

archived 3 Apr 2020 19:48:54 UTC

archive.li

Only one pic in this story. No mention of risk factors, but no claims of perfect health either.

 

[Big Nasty]

Sweden is shit outta luck.

Fred Flintstone wants to railroad some kind of enabling act through parliament so that the government can institute regulations without parliamentary consent.

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/regeringen-begar-okad-makt-for-att-stoppa-viruset/