Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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I’m not sure why the UK is having problems with testing. There are hundreds of small biotechs, probably a dozen or two who could make a decent antibody self test and have it ready for validation in a week. Every lab in the country has PCR machines of all types. Commandeer them, cluster them locally.
There are multiple large central labs in the Uk. All over the country -they serve the clinical research industry and are capable of running hundreds of thousands of tests a day EACH. Fera, cellomatics, PPD, covance, Q2, Hammersmith, start using them. They can do bulk ELISA s and bulk PCR. Don’t have an ELISA yet? What the fuck are you playing at? Two dozen small providers in the uk could have this sorted for you. Not enough reagents? Combine the wells if needed and split out any positives to identify the individual samples that are positive.
The idea that they’d need to do tests in individual university labs is daft. Cluster resources, and use the big labs. Use smaller providers for innovation if needed.
This kind of logistical stumbling bothers me. There’s no need for it. The brains and the kit is there, and this says to me that government needs a few more science bods in it or they would have been on weeks back. It’s obvious stuff.

The problem is twofold.

One, the NHS chose to semi-centralise testing of Corona-chan samples to three large labs which they controlled which have the spare capacity.

You note all those labs, and quite rightly so, but then we come on to two.

Two, all of those labs will still be needed for the regular testing and bulk testing they do. We need more capacity, which is why the Health Secretary announced a huge increase in basically setting up an extra, temporary expansion to cover COVID-19 testing. We'll lose a lot more lives by simply telling a bunch of labs to start Corona-chan testing above all else.

Amazing. Even as the coronavirus crisis continues to affect Germany, hospitals are being closed.
Temporary hospitals are being set up.. while permanent hospitals serving small communities are being closed.

You would think that the people behind the 'elite' that rules over Germany would have some shame about this. But why should they? They need to spend government money on important things, like building nuclear-armed submarines for their masters, not hospitals serving rural areas. What better time to shut down hospitals than a time that they can bar protests?

>Germany

>Nuclear Armed Submarines

Are you just intentionally this fucking thick?
 

678 infections, 58 recovered, 32 dead.
List of dead with comorbidity data per case, again. We passed the 1/3 dead to recovered ratio.



Eu making Orban look good, as usual.



Ree he wants locals to buy locally made products!!!!1!!


Heavy taxes incoming on multinational corporations and banks to relocate resources to healthcare and Hungarian businesses.

University engineering groups are designing mass producible emergency breathing machines that can keep multiple people alive at once.


China delivered 400 thousand hazmat suits, 4 million masks, 100 thousand glasses, 30 thousand gloves, 6 thousand face shields. Also 400 thousand doses of an experimental chinese drug. Lets hope it ain't made of dog ears, cat cocks and asbestos with some mercury on top.


Wapo being optimistic about Corona chan ridding the world of the EU.


(((Stein))) is reeing and lying. Claims Orban is ex communist. Kiketard at least lie believably. He was a liberal/libertarian who first was mentioned for telling soviets to get out lol. Than he realised Hungarians love nationalism, with socialism coming in second and liberals/tarians/progressives having like 10% favour.
 
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678 infections, 58 recovered, 32 dead.
List of dead with comorbidity data per case, again. We passed the 1/3 dead to recovered ratio.



Eu making Orban look good, as usual.



Ree he wants locals to buy locally made products!!!!1!!


Heavy taxes incoming on multinational corporations and banks to relocate resources to healthcare and Hungarian businesses.

University engineering groups are designing mass producible emergency breathing machines that can keep multiple people alive at once.


China delivered 400 thousand hazmat suits, 4 million masks, 100 thousand glasses, 30 thousand gloves, 6 thousand face shields. Also 400 thousand doses of an experimental chinese drug. Lets hope it ain't made of dog ears, cat cocks and asbestos with some mercury on top.


Wapo being optimistic about Corona chan ridding the world of the EU.


(((Stein))) is reeing and lying. Claims Orban is ex communist. Kiketard at least lie believably. He was a liberal/libertarian who first was mentioned for telling soviets to get out lol.
And the death of globalism is nigh. It won't fully go away as trade will always continue, but now countries around the globe are starting to see the appeal of having shit made within walking distance instead of having it shipped across the ocean.
 
Something just occurred to me, Silicon Valley types used to talk about 'the event' in which they talked about what they'd do in a doomsday scenario. Could it be they all believe this is it?
You better believe no crisis is going to waste.
>Germany

>Nuclear Armed Submarines

Are you just intentionally this fucking thick?
Are you so thick you read the original post as implying Germany is building nuclear armed submarines for the German Navy?
 
Not at my store yet. We had a few people go on LOA, a few people quit, and in the meantime the rest of us have been on for however long we want to be, including OT. We also got an extra $2 as hazard pay.

They also added 2am shifts, so people come in to work while the store is closed (I chose to take these shifts, because it means I am around less people)

I think after next week they'll be reducing hours though.
Thats why i think i'm seeing all these retail jobs do hazard pay, also like we've been seeing; with all this social distancing bullshit, they don't need that many employees clogging up their stores. if people aren't coming in to buy shit; then you don't need as many people stocking which means you don't need as many people working either.

again look at Wal-mart. if you're only allowing like 100 customers max at a time; then that means you only need 10 employees instead of 100. same with fastfood. You can get away with only 1 person working if you don't open up the dining room. the lines will be long as shit, but still.

At minimum fast food and big box stores should be seeing a 50% reduction in workforce, and a cutback in hours for the rest. Of course we're essentially a pseudo-wartime economy now too. So Wal-mart and McDonalds might not be psychopaths like usual.

On Another Note; does anyone really expect this to not end in June? they pushed the surge back in CA from April to May, and i have a feeling this won't start going down until June.
 
We'll lose a lot more lives by simply telling a bunch of labs to start Corona-chan testing above all else.
To a degree. It has to be reasonably centralised or at least regionally clustered, so yes, you can’t just tell a single university lab to start up. But the big CRO labs you could until those central sites are running. The commercial labs are making money for pharma. They aren’t testing NHS patients troponin levels after a heart attack to determine treatment, for example, they are checking whether patient A has active hepatitis B so they can be screened into a trial. All of them could be partially diverted without endangering patients.
The lack of testing has been the single biggest (really the only significant) preventable fuckup across almost all countries. It would be interesting to see what the delays have been. I’ve seen hints of it - l know nasopharyngeal swabs for example have been out . But again, anyone who has worked in the field or a lab for long enough ends up being able to find alternatives. The block in thinking seems to have been ‘we cannot source x swab’ and the solution is not wait for more swabs of type x, it’s to find another way of taking the sample. Small biotechs are fast and nimble and most labs will make stuff work, even if it’s not perfect. We don’t have time to make everything 99.95% or whatever regulation MHRA compliant - pick a level you can work at and set it as a goal, and throw out the challenge to small biotechs. “We need an x% accurate positive, x% accurate negative antibody test that can be done by the patient themselves or as a high throughout point of care test. Money’s no object, first past the post to hit accuracy on positives and negatives wins. Go. “ You’ll have one by Easter. I know this industry well, they will do it for the fun of the challenge as much as the cash.
 
You better believe no crisis is going to waste.

Are you so thick you read the original post as implying Germany is building nuclear armed submarines for the German Navy?
German yards don't export "nuclear armed subs", and they don't build nuclear torps or other weapons iirc. The only boomers Germany exports are beach tourists.

What the buyer choses to arm the subs with is nothing to do with the yard that built them. Conflating the two is disingenuous. It distracts from the point you were making.
 
File this under shit financial markets say and possibly why so many CEOs departed since December. Good read.


When you start seeing titles like "Hell is Coming and We Sold Out Our National Security For A Few Dollars" in investor circles - it means divesting from China is becoming the Conservative position and the investor class is starting to question the info they're getting from the WSJ.

Inan Dogan is hard to explain, he writes shitposting articles related to macroeconomic events that show up on dozens of websites. Very much an academic in real life, very much an edgelord online. He's the guy you read when you're a C-level executive who believes there's something fundamentally wrong with the world today and you wish you could do something about it.

Guys like him are never going to make it into the Washington Group, their writing just gets cribbed by more respectable guys like Tyler Cowen and brought up as footnotes in communiques. They're never going to be invited to your conference, but the points made in his articles become questions that get asked to speakers at financial summits. You won't see him on the board of a Fortune 500 company, but board members will use things he says as a counterpoint to decisions of great weight.

Regardless, this article is the voice of what's to come when the virus starts to ebb. If he's saying it, a lot of other people are thinking it.
 
On Another Note; does anyone really expect this to not end in June? they pushed the surge back in CA from April to May, and i have a feeling this won't start going down until June.

it’s not stopping in june. It stops when it runs out of bodies to infect.

It’s stops when one of the following conditions is met:
1. 85% (my guess, going on how infectious it is) of the population has been infected and recovered or died, leaving it insufficient hosts to propagate
2. A vaccine is made, tested and distributed.
At this point we should also be prepared for immunity to not be long term, and for it to become a gradually weakening seasonal or cyclical pathogen.
 
What will change after WuFlu has run it's course - American center-left edition. Funny chart with some new concepts, don't agree with many but it's interesting.


Article about our friends at Palantir and what they're doing to save Western Civilization.


Reading between the lines: governments are preparing to roll out apps that tell if you've been near someone with the virus. Palantir actually has this data and it's going to cost governments a massive amount to get it.

Peter Theil is a legitimate genius, I don't know why anyone ever questions him for any reason. We live in his shadow.
 
Hearing about this more and more. I think the time has come to say if you are comfortable with the food and cash you have onhand and have some money to spare, and there is any gereral merch/electronics/household goods/clothes/cheap Chinese crap you want BUY IT NOW.

If they limit Walmart purchases to food and medicine amd Amazon has any restrictions/supply issues in the next couple weeks you'll wish you had.

If this happens in the next week or two just before Trumpbucks get distributed we're going to see some serious panic. Even if it doesn't the trumpbucks rush combined with the lack of a supply chain is going to result in sellouts and shortages, so it's doubly a good idea to get what you need asap if you can afford it.
 
I’ve seen hints of it - l know nasopharyngeal swabs for example have been out . But again, anyone who has worked in the field or a lab for long enough ends up being able to find alternatives. The block in thinking seems to have been ‘we cannot source x swab’ and the solution is not wait for more swabs of type x, it’s to find another way of taking the sample. Small biotechs are fast and nimble and most labs will make stuff work, even if it’s not perfect. We don’t have time to make everything 99.95% or whatever regulation MHRA compliant - pick a level you can work at and set it as a goal, and throw out the challenge to small biotechs. “We need an x% accurate positive, x% accurate negative antibody test that can be done by the patient themselves or as a high throughout point of care test. Money’s no object, first past the post to hit accuracy on positives and negatives wins. Go. “ You’ll have one by Easter. I know this industry well, they will do it for the fun of the challenge as much as the cash.

That's genuinely encouraging to hear tbh.

The one issue I've heard from people/seen in Australia with that, is that the academia don't want to do that.
They are quick to cry that it's a war against the virus, but aren't willing to be open to war-time medicine.
They are - well, there are a lot of Rhys McKinnons. Dillydallying about wasting time being theoretical and unfortunately not practical. They're all about "must be 100%" and "what about Spanish Flu and ASPRIN".

Some experts who are saying yes, let's cut the nonsense and get it done or let's use what we already know about medicines are being called quacks, dangerous, insane, not really experts, right wingers etc.
The ones who are pro-wait forever "It could be 4 years of lockdown", one "expert" said it "Could be 10 years" also have political/economical motivations to do as such. They've been exceptionally high and mighty and vicious towards their peers. Peers that have more experience than them. Any small biotech firms that are saying let's do this or that, are being called "unscientific" and any studies they don't agree with (that show any promise) are being called non-sense.

It's troubling because it's become political and not scientific and perhaps that's just in Australia.
I mean today, you already had some virologists saying that the CSIRO are being "unethical" by testing a variety of things. They're enjoying this lockdown for some reason. One threatened to infect a 75 year old Professor, because he dared to say that there's likely to be a good treatment in a few months time, if the virus doesn't "find its own way".

The Australian scientific community has been circlejerk cesspool for a while, but actually seeing these people express that they'd be happy to be locked down for 4 years to teach people a lesson/dismantle capitalism, is quite disturbing.
They've also turned on all of their POC pets in the field if they don't have their opinions in check.

Any chance of Australia being a science world leader or innovator is pretty scuppered after this.
 
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Börk news: The Swedish government wants more power to fight the corona virus. https://www.thelocal.se/20200404/sw...more-powers-to-fight-the-coronavirus-pandemic
Swedish government 'wants more powers to fight coronavirus pandemic'

The Swedish government wants to be able to quickly make decisions on how to tackle the coronavirus, without first obtaining Parliament’s approval, according to Swedish paper Expressen.
It would be the most far-reaching powers of a government since the Second World War.
"This would be unique for Sweden", says Mark Klamberg, professor of international law at Stockholm University. "It can be about restricting public groups, closing down shopping centres or imposing restrictions on transport – measures that need to be taken quickly to limit the spread of infection in society."
The Swedish government wants to temporarily gain increased powers to be able to make this type of decision without first having the legislative proposals go through Parliament.
According to Expressen, a draft proposal has been sent to the opposition but the Moderate Party have reservations.
Sweden has got broad media attention for its soft approach to the coronavirus outbreak. But it has rejected the idea that life is carrying on uninterrupted as the country passes 6,000 confirmed cases.
Sweden has not ordered a lockdown, instead issuing recommendations and calling on citizens to "each take responsibility" and follow the guidelines.
Health Minister Lena Hallengren, who together with Deputy Prime Minister Isabella Lovin and Foreign Minister Ann Linde held a special briefing for international media, stressed that the Nordic country had introduced a string of measures and was ready to do more if needed.
People over the age of 70 and in risk groups have been strongly encouraged to avoid contact with other people, and higher education institutions have been advised to conduct classes remotely.
Economic measures have been adopted to make sick leave less costly, and people have been repeatedly asked to work from home and self-isolate at the slightest symptom of the new coronavirus.
Among the stricter measures are bans on gatherings of more than 50 people and on visits to nursing homes.
A government that has been handling the corona crisis as well as other crises poorly mostly due to their own and different government agencies' incompetence (and not necessarily legal restrictions) now wants more power. Hmmm...
 
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Börk news: The Swedish government wants more power to fight the corona virus. https://www.thelocal.se/20200404/sw...more-powers-to-fight-the-coronavirus-pandemicA government that has been handling the corona crisis as well as other crises poorly mostly due to their own and different government agencies' incompetence (and not necessarily legal restrictions) now wants more power. Hmmm...

Oh Borkland! Welcolme to the lockdown forever club! Bring us all some of that tasty Ikea food.

Yeah, 50 at gatherings will soon become 10.... then 2.
 
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However, if these people do end up going on vacation this summer as soon as quarantine ends come June/July, that should answer the question as to whether they've been stashing away money in that old sock hidden under their mattress. I really don't think that people saving up to go an vacation should be lying about how they supposedly don't have any money for quarantine. They could also just skip vacation and work during summer to make up for lost time. We've been seeing all these posts here on KF about how people are already treating quarantine as an extended vacation as it is, not taking social distancing seriously and going to the beach, people in Sweden trying to use the quarantine period to go on skiing vacations to the point of Sweden shutting down their ski centers to discourage that, etc. I am obviously excluding everyone who is genuinely poor with a JOB (Just Over Broke). I also totally understand people wanting to stretch their legs after two-three months of quarantine coming out of their cabin fever, but people, don't lie about how you don't have any money when you obviously do. Everyone flaunting their fucking swag all over Instagram until it's time to get thrifty under quarantine, then all of a sudden it's "boo-hoo, we got no money to do quarantine"? Not buying that.



Speaking of which: Skid Row infections in LA confirmed, anyone here shocked?





Judge for yourselves:




Speaking of breadlines, look at this footage of poor people waiting in line to receive a food package at the local charity in Italy. No one is practicing social distancing:




Or how about, getting infected to own the godless? #DarwinAwards




For those of you who keep asking "but will it mutate?":



Some other videos I wanted to bring to your attention:

Small rural town in SC having trouble fighting COVID-19:


Tracking mobile phones from Spring Break in Florida and Manhattan, NY to visualize potential spread:


This is a long but very interesting Livestream interview with a scholar from Harvard. This Epidemiology professor expects cases to go down significantly "in June", but fears that people might become discouraged as the caseload gets worse in April, with people assuming that social distancing isn't working.


This is apparently how Israel wants to conduct virtual/"telehealth" home visits using digital means to prevent doctors and patients from infecting one another, mazal tov:


Compare the above hi tech approach to home visits to this tragedy: "Woman Dies From Coronavirus After Telehealth Doctors Declined Visit"

"Woman Dies From Coronavirus After Telehealth Doctors Declined Visit"

how Israel wants to conduct virtual/"telehealth" home visits using digital means to prevent doctors and patients from infecting one another

Epidemiology professor expects cases to go down significantly "in June", but fears that people might become discouraged as the caseload gets worse in April, with people assuming that social distancing isn't working.

Tracking mobile phones from Spring Break in Florida and Manhattan, NY to visualize potential spread

Small rural town in SC having trouble fighting COVID-19

getting infected to own the godless

poor people waiting in line to receive a food package at the local charity in Italy. No one is practicing social distancing:

Skid Row infections in LA confirmed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb_WzB1Wm2w
So this is apparently some doctor on Fox comparing South Korea's response to America. Calling America's response weak.

Rolling out 5G when there is no football or any other entertaining on TV for normies are driving everyone crazy and shit is going down ! :story:

I don't know about all these conspiracies about 5G but the chinese towers are getting a rough time ! Hahahaha !

They already put 6 of them down ! This is the new national sport competition in the UK :

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We truely live in interesting times, but the fact they don't even ask the public their opinion on 5G and decided to install all these towers in the midst of the pandemic and activating 5G as soon as possible has driven people mad, there's more than a good number of alarming studies around that tech.

Also, after the news of UK receiving testing kits infected with covid19 from China , the general public might be fed up of anything China related among the feel that 5G could be potentially harmfull for the health already, so it just adds and adds and adds up i guess hahaha !

GOOD.

No. He didn't screw up. He did what he had to do to protect his sailors and his ship. Sending copies of his memo to people not in his chain of command was a last resort to get some attention from someone. The captain knew what he was doing would kill his career, but he figured that was much better than letting someone entrusted to his care die. It isn't wartime. The Navy needed to take care of their sailors and their ship. Looking at the memo, if it was wartime, the ship would suck it in and get the mission done.

This captain will be just fine. His retirement pay should be about $8420/month. He will also be able to use the base exchange (military department store), commissary (military supermarket) and base facilities for the rest of his life. He may also be eligible for VA disability pay. He and his wife, and kids under 23, can get some of the best medical insurance available anywhere at a cost of $50 month, for the entire family.

Am also rather certain he'll get a civilian job easily, either working for the Navy or for a contractor.

This captain should not be subject to any Uniform Code of Military Justice action. What he did was not an offense under the UCMJ. Can assure you he is not the first officer to shotgun a memo in order to get attention.

And hearing the cheers of a grateful crew as you depart your former ship means more than you can ever imagine to that man. Brings tears to the eyes. PL: Am a retired US senior officer, have commanded troops, albeit on a much smaller scale than a 5000-person aircraft carrier. Doesn't matter. Commanding troops is one of the very best jobs in the military, if you do it right. Troops first, mission always. Captain Crozier did that.

Check it out.






On a totally different note, just made a quick trip to the commissary. Not crowded, walked right in. Some empty shelves, but employees were doing some restocking. No paper products. Butter was on sale, $2.99/pound, but eggs were $3.75/dozen. Good supplies of tard cum and eggs. Was looking for a certain type of wipe - nada. Doing the regular trip tomorrow morning.

Added: Oh, the fuckwads that "run" our county are extending our house arrest until 3 May. Fuck that and fuck them.
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I was a volunteer visitor here for a few years a while back. (A lot of residents don’t get any family visitors) This is really sad. The truth is, this is going to be repeated at care home after care home.
 
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