Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[comrade666]

Yeah, it's a very well known fact to UEA students. There's quite a number of attempted and successful suicides there in the past years, there are also memorabilia around of the people who died in that lake.

Thanks for coming back to give some answers. Do you happen to know if Chloe was back on campus prior to December? I know she hung around Norwich for Jamie for a long time as they were in a relationship but with her claiming to be expelled and involved in some confrontations with staff over whether she would be allowed back. She was also still claiming to be a student in February 2018. Was much mentioned about that?

 

[Ryanstartedthefire]

She she be weighing in on whether or not someone has antisocial personality disorder, absolutely not. But is she just a marriage counselor? No. She's perfectly qualified to talk about the things she's talking about, in general.

She has an obvious bias though. If she pushes too hard or doesn't go along with a certain agenda during her collaborations she jeopardizes her youtube career. Just look at her recent collaborations with Eugenia Cooney where she enabled her for an hour instead of calling out her obvious relapse. The Eugenia Cooney colab was particularly troubling because Kati specializes in eating disorders.

 

[heterotic]

She has an obvious bias though. If she pushes too hard or doesn't go along with a certain agenda during her collaborations she jeopardizes her youtube career. Just look at her recent collaborations with Eugenia Cooney where she enabled her for an hour instead of calling out her obvious relapse. The Eugenia Cooney colab was particularly troubling because Kati specializes in eating disorders.

I am recovered from Bulimia Nervosa. I watched the video. Nothing about their chat struck me as odd, at all. I would find it odd if Kati "called out" her obvious relapse. I imagine that would be quite damaging since it took over a decade for her to even admit she had a problem to begin with.

Anyway, this is diving off the rails. I only wanted to clarify that Kati Morton is qualified to discuss mental health in general. Nothing to do with treating it, diagnosing, or even doing these interviews she does. I'm not a fan of that type of content.

 

[BScaller!]

I am recovered from Bulimia Nervosa. I watched the video. Nothing about their chat struck me as odd, at all. I would find it odd if Kati "called out" her obvious relapse. I imagine that would be quite damaging since it took over a decade for her to even admit she had a problem to begin with.

Anyway, this is diving off the rails. I only wanted to clarify that Kati Morton is qualified to discuss mental health in general. Nothing to do with treating it, diagnosing, or even doing these interviews she does. I'm not a fan of that type of content.

Shortened edit: They both support BetterHelp which is a scam, funny that Chloe doesn't care for Kati since they are both taking advantage of ppl who need mental help with a crap app. In the Jaclyn Glenn video (7:15) shows way more to why Kati Morton, betterhelp's 1st therapist to endorse, is unprofessional and sketchy af. She told Jaclyn how to get Eugenia help by having her evaluated outside of her home (sectioned) yet said things to Eugenia like "there is a better way your friends could have gone about it" when she was the one who told them how to do it **After this, no more on the topic on this thread for me. Just giving the missing context

 

[heterotic]

Just giving the missing context

It wasn't missing.

ETA: I agree with your edit, now that it's not directed at me, as I said I only said that she's qualified to talk on the topics, not that I like the content she creates (I don't), and that her conversation with Eugenia is what I would expect from a clinician.

 

[Cooking Mama]

It seems that Amira might be a Fruit's Basket fictive. So her second anime fictive if you count the little goblin man persecutor from... some different anime. I don't remember which video that was in. I think someone posted a link to it earlier in the thread.

Apparently, Amira made Riven feel very territorial. I don't know what Riven's relationship is to the anime tiger loli, but I know they've met and my imagination is filling in blanks I wish it wouldn't.

Oh, shit, something I can actually provide info on. Who knew my weeb past would come in handy. Anyways! Kisa Sohma of Fruits Basket is the character Amira is based on. Due to a family curse, she was born with the soul of the tiger zodiac from the Chinese myth and when hugged by someone of the opposite sex outside of those also cursed or when sick/scared/weak, she turns into a tiger. She’s a very shy (and mute at one point due to her trauma) 12 year old who was horribly abused by the head of the family. There is an older character, Hatsuharu, generally portrayed as a kind of bad boy who, interestingly, also has DID (though, only one alter and said alter is very violent and angry) and is really protective of Kisa and the fandom tended to ship them despite the fact that Hatsuharu was 15/16. So, you know, pedophilic undertones and add incest on top of it because all of the Sohmas are distantly related if not closely related.

So, I can see why Chloe would choose Kisa to LARP and why Nan would be super into Amira. Riven is pretty similar to Hatsuharu. Interestingly, the way DID is portrayed with Haru is extremely glamorized and misinformed, though it’s more like an abrupt mood switch with him than an actual alter with a life/memories/name.

Captions are so important. My partner is hard of hearing

You know how deaf/HoH people sound when they talk? That’s how Nan sounds when they pretend to be Jeremy

Welp.

 

[im_here_for_number_5]

That drawing video is hilarious. Looks to me like she can't draw bodies or heads* for that matter, and she remembered that only after hours of filmed frustration. Her old IG suggests she thought she was pretty good, but she had yet to take a decent figure-drawing class or put in the requisite hours and hours of draftsmanship practice. What's funny is that this is really a video of her finding out what skills she did have have gotten rusty af.

Maybe Nan can give her some tips? Proper, 3-dimensional facial and body rendering is nothing to sneeze at.


*Bit frivolous/spergey, but read on if you want a more detailed account of what actually happened in that video/are wowed by Chloe's art skills and feel hurt that I just called bullshit (god I hope not):
0:00 - She can draw her face - kind of. She's done it before, but even then the proportions are off so she says it's not actually a drawing of the host but a composite?
5:00 - Uh oh. The body is giving her trouble (usually does for hobbyists who mainly practice drawing their own face) so she scribbles over it and goes back to her safe-zone: the basic head form. Shit! What about the frustrated scribbles?...uh hey Kyle! Erase that feminine body! Excellent! Now New Guy, reveal yourself! Draw your face on that head!
5: 45 - This starts to go south too (dammit New Guy!). Chloe doesn't have hasn't practiced curly hair and were those feminine eyelashes deliberate? Wait those shoulders look okay for a man. Let's keep goi- oh shit we have to draw arms again and we have no muscle memory. Okay fine just go the finale.
6:00 - Dark takes over for the planned finale (phew). Dark doesn't want to reveal its body or any real hard-to-draw details that Chloe had hoped she could show off after the facial self-portrait. Dark wants to erase everything and hey look at this cool pattern that's showing up while I'm erasing with the jitter function turned on.

I do have to hand it to her. She knew that the first self-portrait and the rectangular brush trick at the end would impress the tweens (especially the latter since they haven't taken digital art 101 in San Francisco). I wonder how loudly real professionals who can't afford health insurance - let alone a Cintiq - are howling about this video (no not me calm yer tits Sherlock). In any case, for anyone who's actually interested in learning good draftsmanship skills, check-out Proko, Steve Huston, or Vilppu among others.

 

[heavycream]

It's not a crime to marry for a Visa in the UK. On principle it's considered wrong and sketchy, but the police don't really care to do anything about those incidents provided the partner obeys the terms of that Visa.

In her 'day in the life' video she reveals that she makes a three hour round trip to go back to Norwich for therapy. That was posted in September 2018 and she was living in Colchester with her parents as far as I know at that time. She also admits that she pays for private treatment which would line up with Pottergate.

Considering she doesn't want to integrate, revels in her disorder and doesn't seem to care that her supposedly protective alters spew all her trauma all over the internet, i'm not sure what the point of this therapy is. I imagine it consists of nothing of substance. Particularly considering she doesn't actually have trauma at all.

 

[WeirdFish]

I wonder if Dark has taken an art class, who would have thought a blob of gas would be so good at drawing

LOL!! This made me spit my cereal out!

Dark has been watching Bob Ross tutorials, DUHHHHH.

 

[Cooking Mama]

LOL!! This made me spit my cereal out!

Dark has been watching Bob Ross tutorials, DUHHHHH.

Actually, Dark is a fictive of Bob Ross dontchaknow.

 

[Bananasaurus]

Regarding the elusive "trauma" she keeps mentioning, absolutely anything is traumatic to girls like Chloe.

Your rich upper middle class parents didn't buy you everything you wanted as a kid? Abusive childhood.

Shagged a dude and regretted it half an hour later? Nonconsensual sexual encounter.

Had an argument with your ex and broke up on bad terms? Abusive relationship.

Pressure to study and succeed at university? Definitely traumatic.

Half-assed cry-for-help suicide attempt in a lake? Basically the same as hanging yourself from a tree.

So every time she mentions "trauma", she's probably not referring to the repeated ritualistic sexual and physical abuse in early childhood she conveniently can't remember because muh amnesia, but instead some random unpleasant experience she had as a teen or adult that lead to the creation of more imaginary friends.

 

[rot]

Therapists will not see a patient alone and also engage in family or couples' therapy with the same patient. The therapist would be biased towards the patient they see on their own, and it would skew their ability be subjective. There is no scenario in which this topic would come up from a therapist unless those people were present, and the therapist wanted whomever said it to discuss it with Chloe.

This is just a lie.

I know it's a lie, but I meant that there are 2 therapists: one does family systems, the other CBT/DBT/other therapy with the patient, but the 2 therapists still discuss the situation of the patient in private, and that might have been how the info came up, but I at first thought she was using an example the nurse brought up, not her own situation, when I started writing it.

 

[comrade666]

So, I can see why Chloe would choose Kisa to LARP and why Nan would be super into Amira. Riven is pretty similar to Hatsuharu. Interestingly, the way DID is portrayed with Haru is extremely glamorized and misinformed, though it’s more like an abrupt mood switch with him than an actual alter with a life/memories/name.

Well, that's horrific. The more I learn about how heavily she implies sexual abuse and incest when we know that isn't the case, the more I look forward to her fall from grace.

Welp.

Laughed out loud on a conference call, thanks.

and hey look at this cool pattern that's showing up while I'm erasing with the jitter function turned on.

I don't know a great deal about digital art but I'm glad someone came and said this. It really did look like she'd discovered it by mistake and we were just watching her experiment with it because it looked cool and rEpReSeNtS HiS ShAtTeReD SoUl or something.

Considering she doesn't want to integrate, revels in her disorder and doesn't seem to care that her supposedly protective alters spew all her trauma all over the internet, i'm not sure what the point of this therapy is. I imagine it consists of nothing of substance. Particularly considering she doesn't actually have trauma at all.

Therapy acts as character development sessions for her I'd imagine. That, or she might actually be more of a munchie than I thought. I wonder if her parents are still paying for therapy so she gets an hour or two of attention from a professional a week to keep her satisfied? We already know she might be a little bit munchie from the occasional mentions of CFS and the one picture where she posed with a cane but that struck me as attention seeking. Her lack of involvement with medical professionals at the moment makes me cautious to call her a munchie but she's on her way there.

Regarding the elusive "trauma" she keeps mentioning, absolutely anything is traumatic to girls like Chloe.

Your rich upper middle class parents didn't buy you everything you wanted as a kid? Abusive childhood.

Shagged a dude and regretted it half an hour later? Nonconsensual sexual encounter.

Had an argument with your ex and broke up on bad terms? Abusive relationship.

Pressure to study and succeed at university? Definitely traumatic.

Half-assed cry-for-help suicide attempt in a lake? Basically the same as hanging yourself from a tree.

So every time she mentions "trauma", she's probably not referring to the repeated ritualistic sexual and physical abuse in early childhood she conveniently can't remember because muh amnesia, but instead some random unpleasant experience she had as a teen or adult that lead to the creation of more imaginary friends.

Couldn't agree more. I think for Chloe the majority of the trauma she references in the home is probably normal family tensions and exacerbated by her antics causing higher stress as her parents worry about her. We already know that she considered the refusal to buy her a Bop It to be abusive.

This is purely speculative, but when she tweeted about an abuser forcing her to binge eat, it struck me that it was most likely her parents telling her not to leave the table until she'd finished eating or something perfectly reasonable. She talks about having an eating disorder and having had one for a while.
Where was this forced binge eating taking place? Who had access to her for an extended period? What would be their motivation for that? If her parents weren't behind it, why didn't they notice she was sick from overeating or gaining rapid weight? She might well be threading half truths through her lies but they fall apart quite easily.

 

[Bananasaurus]

Well, that's horrific. The more I learn about how heavily she implies sexual abuse and incest when we know that isn't the case, the more I look forward to her fall from grace.



Laughed out loud on a conference call, thanks.



I don't know a great deal about digital art but I'm glad someone came and said this. It really did look like she'd discovered it by mistake and we were just watching her experiment with it because it looked cool and rEpReSeNtS HiS ShAtTeReD SoUl or something.



Therapy acts as character development sessions for her I'd imagine. That, or she might actually be more of a munchie than I thought. I wonder if her parents are still paying for therapy so she gets an hour or two of attention from a professional a week to keep her satisfied? We already know she might be a little bit munchie from the occasional mentions of CFS and the one picture where she posed with a cane but that struck me as attention seeking. Her lack of involvement with medical professionals at the moment makes me cautious to call her a munchie but she's on her way there.



Couldn't agree more. I think for Chloe the majority of the trauma she references in the home is probably normal family tensions and exacerbated by her antics causing higher stress as her parents worry about her. We already know that she considered the refusal to buy her a Bop It to be abusive.

This is purely speculative, but when she tweeted about an abuser forcing her to binge eat, it struck me that it was most likely her parents telling her not to leave the table until she'd finished eating or something perfectly reasonable. She talks about having an eating disorder and having had one for a while.
Where was this forced binge eating taking place? Who had access to her for an extended period? What would be their motivation for that? If her parents weren't behind it, why didn't they notice she was sick from overeating or gaining rapid weight? She might well be threading half truths through her lies but they fall apart quite easily.

Agreed, lots of BPD-ish people tend to take interventions really badly. If you develop some kind of unhealthy habit, like starving yourself, binge-drinking, gambling etc. and a loved one steps in and tells them to get their shit together, they usually see that as controlling behavior rather than genuine concern, which is the exact opposite of abusive.

 

[DissociaDONT]

This is purely speculative, but when she tweeted about an abuser forcing her to binge eat, it struck me that it was most likely her parents telling her not to leave the table until she'd finished eating or something perfectly reasonable. She talks about having an eating disorder and having had one for a while.

I can't for the life of me imagine how an abuser would force her to binge eat outside of it being a parents telling you to finish your plate-type scenario or some kind of fetishist ex.

I'm inclined to believe Chloe has troubles with disordered eating, but I'm leaning towards some form of relatively mild EDNOS. I can't imagine any mental health advocate with a diagnosable eating disorder posting their disordered eating weightloss stats online. That's shit you only see on proana forums. With or without a trigger warning. (A warning that doesn't even show up on all platforms or devices.) So, either it's not terrible serious or she's an uncaring, self-absorbed asshole... Which, now that I type that out, I suppose it could be either.

Because, my god. This woman's martyr complex.

I left high school as the highest achieving girl in my year, fought my way through college, and was refused re-entry to university after being diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder. I was robbed of my education, escaped abusive relationships, lost many friends,

I shared my experiences, buried myself in research, and dedicated myself to making the world more inclusive and aware of #mentalhealth disorders and the stigma that shapes our lives. For the first time, people listened when I spoke.

The girl who was trapped in abusive relationships, who always kept her head down, and welcomed abuse because she thought it was her place to suffer so that others could thrive, is now the girl who listens to death threats every day and can walk away untouched.

The girl who tried to end her life regularly like a ritual, mutilated her body because the agony couldn't possibly be contained, and believed she could only be lovable if she was hurting and hiding, now shares her voice with almost 300,000 people worldwide.

I tried to end my life more times than I can count. Now I spend that life trying to save other people's. I discovered I have a talent for business. I am the director of my own company. I carry stresses I did not believe my body could ever contain.

Chloe, stop. Chloe, get down off the cross, honey. I know you mean for this to sound empowering. It doesn't. It doesn't sound like you're trying to relate to you audience, it sounds like you're trying to one-up them with a trauma humble-brag.

And while we're on the subject of her art...

I know she took a stab at doing art commissions at some point, despite having little skill. (Mommy Kay and some other family members still dutifully liked and complimented each picture. Another hallmark of abuse.)

I only have a passing knowledge of art, but is some of the stuff she tried to pass off her own just over-painting at best or a straight-up filter slapped over a photo at worst.

That detail
Such photo-realism!
Some decent lineart... kinda fucking it up with the colors, but still pretty good, except...

...She forgot how to draw anatomy or perspective a few months later. That's sad.

But I'm probably just being pessimistic. Chloe has artistic integrity.

ETA:

I had a sneaking suspicion and, yeah, that heart in the last picture is just a tracing of the first google image result for "anatomical heart."

And I don't think it even needs to be pointed out, but: "You are not hard to love" isn't a unique quote. You can find results of it quoted by countless people.

 

[rot]

Spoiler: NVM this

Kati Morton shouldn't be a mental health educator and advocate. She has no clue what she's talking about. (I don't care for Kati Morton either, but still... The irony.)

"Kati Morton doesn't know what shes talking about, she's just a marriage councelor who reads from the DSM"

Yeah because Chloe's more qualified than Kati is, obviously
Edit: someone already commented on this ^ ignore it please.

Also, may I bring up that someone commented this on one of her tweets?:

Did she for real just steal someone's alter? And how does this person even remember this? "From birth" ???? Bruh. Not to mention that babies can die from lack of affection, so if this took place every day for hours on end, they would've died, not get DID, lol.

Also why are tumblrinas not pissed off at the "alters can have different sexualities" thing? Didn't they "fight" for years that sexuality was inherent (genetic), and had nothing to do with upbringing?

And how does Chloe know her gender bended alters are male alters and not just troon alters; if different alters can get different mental illnesses, like Gregory the balding Asian man has anorexia, how is Kyle (and all the other male alters) 100% male and not just a dysphoric female?

 

[Gramh]

That feels when you're so close to a :powerlevel: because a lolcow is so reprehensible. Half of that diatribe on her Twitter sounds awfully 90s emo kid livejournal poem though.

 

[heavycream]

Edit: didn't understand her word salad tweet.

She probably said that you don't need child abuse to develop DID so that people can't backlash at her when her lies about her own abuse unravel.

 

[comrade666]

She's currently having an active afternoon on Twitter.

Apologising to Trisha Paytas fans whilst making herself the victim
Defending her I suffer more than cancer patients commentary
People can die from DID and cancer but they should never be compared!
She's overwhelmed with the amount of love for Dark's art. You know, the same Dark who told her to kill herself, but now he's a fan favourite for being a sexy shadow, he comes with love heart emojis.

Funny that Dark is described as frightening. He calls her names, he tells her to kill herself, he tells her she deserved her abuse. But because he was drawn as a mysterious male-shaped troubled soul, fans love him.
She has suggested in the past that she has introjects of her own abusers. 'Dark' if real would at least be described as abusive towards her if not an introject of her abuser. These simping little shits don't actually care about Chloe's wellbeing only her elaborate OCs

Dark's art is gorgeous! I hope he knows that he's well loved even if he doesn't want to be on the channel

Dark did such an amazing job. If you ever change your mind and decide to have him on the channel, I think we’d all be curious to better understand the very interesting topic of Persecutors and their goals/“morals”!

Dark is so talented

dark's art was amazing. Maybe one day you will feel comfortable introducing him and the new alter that formed due to split.

Dark's art was awesome! really cool video!

She's also planning a livestream soon. Sounds like fun.

 

[Gramh]

That pompous declaration that all suffering is equally valid is grating. Pretty sure if people had to choose between cancer and "DID: The Chloe Home Edition" it wouldn't even be a choice.