Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Just Some Other Guy]

Look at these people. They look terrified.

Good god, if people think it's safe to go out with this thing out there, it isn't. It totally isn't. If you get sick, you're just putting more stress and a bigger caseload on our healthcare workers.

Dude, it's just a flu, bro. Chillax

 

[Not Really Here]

True, but squeaky wheels get oiled and if women complaining possibly gets ppe for a department, who cares? This isn't a fucking contest except on reddit.

It's not like there are warehouses full of PPE we just aren't using because we're dicks.
To be clear, WuFlu is a GOOD thing. We have needed a full up test of epidemic/biowarfare readiness for decades, WuFlu is looking like a fairly minor risk to the average citizen, and is thus a good stand in for something really bad.

 

[simulated goat]

Tbf, even with proper ppe, some ppl still have a tendency to bitch and nope out.

I've seen plenty of both sexes nope out when it comes to real work, and i've also seen both git'er done. Cherry picking unfortunare quotes on reddit/twitter looks great, but really doesn't tell us how most people are.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I've been hearing that it's going to decimate us poor flyover ghouls for months now, but the only ones I see getting screwed are the big cities.

The rural hospital I worked at had stories about the 86-87 flu season when they had to ration vents. All two of them.

It's slow to spread in rural areas, but it is spreading. If you actually do get it and require mechanical ventilation, it will not be there.

 

[FatalTater]

I asked this earlier but what has set a good portion of the user base into complete paranoia now? The whole sky is falling sentiment got old weeks ago. I get on with my life the best I can and others should try to do the same. We shouldn’t become like the cows here.

It’s just my opinion chill.

Paranoia seems to ebb and flow like the tide. I've noticed this in people off the internet that I talk to. One day it's going to be fine, 24 hours later we're all gonna die, then back to everything's fine. Not sure what's going on.

One thing is a constant across the internet forums - if a civil conversation is being had about the numbers, and someone compares Covid-19 with literally anything else with a kill count, some dingus will run in with their hair on fire screaming "IT'S NOT THE FLU!!!OMG!!!eleventy!!!!!" which makes me think that they were scanning discussions just waiting for the right second to make their appearance. Why they would do that is anybody's guess.

 

[simulated goat]

It's not like there are warehouses full of PPE we just aren't using because we're dicks.
To be clear, WuFlu is a GOOD thing. We have needed a full up test of epidemic/biowarfare readiness for decades, WuFlu is looking like a fairly minor risk to the average citizen, and is thus a good stand in for something really bad.

I agree with you here, it is better it was this than something worse . The female doc attitude does disturb me, but from my own experience without PL, half the kids in med school are pretty earnest, ten percent are gifted, thirty percent are only in it for the lifestyle and money, the other ten percent are sociopaths. So there'salso the chance 85 year old dude is a rockstar compared to chick who got in it for the easy dosh.

 

[Stasi]

My research indicates

You are the biggest source of tism and paranoia in this thread atm. You were seriously quoting 4chan threads a few pages back.

Please refrain from making such outlandish statements. I don't want my parents to find me dead in my apartment. Not from corona but from my sides having exploded.

 

[Not Really Here]

I agree with you here, it is better it was this than something worse . The female doc attitude does disturb me, but from my own experience without PL, half the kids in med school are pretty earnest, ten percent are gifted, thirty percent are only in it for the lifestyle and money, the other ten percent are sociopaths. There's also the chance 85 year old dude is a rockstar compared to chick who got in it for the easy dosh.

That's why I called it a Rorschach test.
Preface is-'this is not about gender'
Content is- 'look at person A and B, B seems to be a dick'

Ignored variables are: age, family status, religious status, life experience (examp. 85 did he practice in the Korean war?) ect.
As with most of Reddit it's garbage, and assuming it's about a generalization of one gender being more selfless than the other is nothing more than powerleveling your own gender.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

I agree with you here, it is better it was this than something worse . The female doc attitude does disturb me, but from my own experience without PL, half the kids in med school are pretty earnest, ten percent are gifted, thirty percent are only in it for the lifestyle and money, the other ten percent are sociopaths. So there'salso the chance 85 year old dude is a rockstar compared to chick who got in it for the easy dosh.

Yeah, and the part about not expecting to be yelled at by angry patients sounds like someone who wasn't really considering the real-world implications of practicing medicine. Those people are sick and scared. Some of that might manifest as anger. Suck it up or learn how to communicate in a way that calms them down.

 

[Otterly]

Look at these people. They look terrified.

Let me tell you something about medics. They aren’t gods. They human, and an awful lot of the younger ones have never really seen any truly bad shit. Yes they’ve seen car wrecks when they rotated through the ER years back, but if you go through rotations and end up in a gastro or dermatology or genetics or research (ahem) line of work you’re totally removed from the drama, the death, and the gore. ER doctors, paramedics, and military are different beasts. But an awful lot of these guys and gals will be Hugely shocked by this because it’s the first time they’re seeing wholescale death. They aren’t usually dealing with people in this situation and while they work hard, they weren’t working like this. They’re shocked because they’ve been dragged out of ophthalmology, or some random department, and shoved with minimal training into high throughput ICU, with very little training and shot PPE. I’m not frontline, and if they do this to me I’ll shit myself as well. They won’t, lucky patients, I’d be bloody useless.

half the kids in med school are pretty earnest, ten percent are gifted, thirty percent are only in it for the lifestyle and money, the other ten percent are sociopaths.

spot on. Maybe add in ‘overseas anchor visa quota.’

 

[remiem]

Is it less stressful to try to ignore a crisis or to try to understand what the risks are and try to mitigate against them for yourself and your family as best you can? Personally I'd prefer the second.

And as bad as things are, the fact is most people here would survive just fine if they got it because they're mostly under 60. E.g.

Why we still don't know what the death rate is for covid-19

Despite data pouring in from many countries, estimates of how many of those infected with covid-19 die still vary widely

web.archive.org

For most people here, the chances of dying if infected are probably 1-3%. They might even be lower.

I still find it interesting though, because it's still a serious health care crisis - the mortality rates for people over 70 are non-trivial and the lockdown will cause economic chaos.

Look here

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

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Maybe we've been spoiled by modern technology but 10K excess deaths are serious shit to us, even if the percentage mortality would have fallen below the noise floor for most societies over most of human history.

If you aren't a self-centered cow and have people you care about that are older you'd be willing to take the hit economy wise for a higher assurance of them staying safe. We can rebuild the economy, you can't bring back the dead. As someone who has mostly older family myself, it's not about the fact that I would likely survive it if I caught it. It's that the only people I really care about have a much higher likelihood of dying.

These aren't just numbers. They aren't just some 60+ people who don't mean anything. A lot of them will be a now broken family struggling through the grief of not even getting to say goodbye, not having a funeral, not being in any way prepared to let these people go. Historically most other major death events still allowed you the comfort of seeing your dead or dying, being with them to end and comforting them and yourself with your presence. Corona doesn't even allow you that because it's magically contagious to the point it's too risky to allow visitors.

Here's what Nature thinks

Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree

archived 6 Apr 2020 15:39:08 UTC

archive.vn

Experts don't agree. The WHO says it isn't, which at this point strongly suggests it is. And look at this

and

I'm going to wear my crappy reusable gas mask when I'm outside, mainly because that's the best I can get right now. If I could get one I'd get a mask that was able to filter out viral particles which are 70-90nm.

If it's not airborne in some fashion how is it spreading? It's moved astoundingly quickly for a something supposedly only spread if you pick up droplets or get a full blow of the too the face.

Even if it's only in droplets you'd think that they'd really start pushing the homemade masks at the very least when out in public even more because if you cough or sneeze unexpectedly into a piece of fabric it would significantly reduce your infectious sprays range and if both you and the un/infected person were masked it would result in it being that much harder for it to get out of their mask, through yours, and into you.

 

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My take?

Yes. This is correct in many countries about their mindset, belief, and the old age con of ambulance chasing more money.

 

[simulated goat]

Let me tell you something about medics. They aren’t gods. They human, and an awful lot of the younger ones have never really seen any truly bad shit. Yes they’ve seen car wrecks when they rotated through the ER years back, but if you go through rotations and end up in a gastro or dermatology or genetics or research (ahem) line of work you’re totally removed from the drama, the death, and the gore. ER doctors, paramedics, and military are different beasts. But an awful lot of these guys and gals will be Hugely shocked by this because it’s the first time they’re seeing wholescale death. They aren’t usually dealing with people in this situation and while they work hard, they weren’t working like this. They’re shocked because they’ve been dragged out of ophthalmology, or some random department, and shoved with minimal training into high throughput ICU, with very little training and shot PPE. I’m not frontline, and if they do this to me I’ll shit myself as well. They won’t, lucky patients, I’d be bloody useless.
spot on. Maybe add in ‘overseas anchor visa quota.’

Oh I had my run in with an overseas anchor visa quota sociopath. It's why I no longer do the valuable work I used to do for medical schools.

 

[Drain Todger]

You are the biggest source of tism and paranoia in this thread atm. You were seriously quoting 4chan threads a few pages back.

Please refrain from making such outlandish statements. I don't want my parents to find me dead in my apartment. Not from corona but from my sides having exploded.

It's not outlandish. I have respirator training as part of my job. We regularly wear P100s with particulate and vapor cartridges for sandblasting and painting. N95s and half-face masks are inadequate. You need a full PAPR hood to keep the virus out of your eyes, and you need better filtration efficiency than N95 to be absolutely sure you won't inhale it.

 

[Otterly]

Experts don't agree. The WHO says it isn't, which at this point strongly suggests it is. And look at this

I've been hearing that it's going to decimate us poor flyover ghouls for months now, but the only ones I see getting screwed are the big cities.

If it's not airborne in some fashion how is it spreading?

It’s airborne. If I had a left nut, I would bet it on this. And that may partly explain why the flyover states aren’t hit so bad yet - more distance between people in average is less chance of encountering someone, less chance of being crammed in next to someone, and less chance of getting a huge faceful of it resulting in immune overwhelm. The plague always hits cities worse on average. You may get the odd village wiped out but country dwellers are not going to have the same rates as NY.

 

[mindlessobserver]

If it's not airborne in some fashion how is it spreading? It's moved astoundingly quickly for a something supposedly only spread if you pick up droplets or get a full blow of the too the face.

Even if it's only in droplets you'd think that they'd really start pushing the homemade masks at the very least when out in public even more because if you cough or sneeze unexpectedly into a piece of fabric it would significantly reduce your infectious sprays range and if both you and the un/infected person were masked it would result in it being that much harder for it to get out of their mask, through yours, and into you.

They don't know. And the one country that has been dealing with it the longest has not been forthcoming about telling anyone about it. What they have shared has been outright fabrications, while the doctors who have broken ranks and tried to tell the truth have been dissapeared so they aren't around for follow up questions.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

The good news is the funeral homes are making a killing

And a spanish doctor doing a little dance during the lockdown

 

[Not Really Here]

They don't know. And the one country that has been dealing with it the longest has not been forthcoming about telling anyone about it. What they have shared has been outright fabrications, while the doctors who have broken ranks and tried to tell the truth have been dissapeared so they aren't around for follow up questions.

We had studies posted before page 400 that showed WuFlu was airborne.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

It’s airborne. If I had a left nut, I would bet it on this. And that may partly explain why the flyover states aren’t hit so bad yet - more distance between people in average is less chance of encountering someone, less chance of being crammed in next to someone, and less chance of getting a huge faceful of it resulting in immune overwhelm. The plague always hits cities worse on average. You may get the odd village wiped out but country dwellers are not going to have the same rates as NY.

I think some folks underestimate how much you do walk through someone's fogged breath without realising it. There was a great gif online showing your breathing compared to wearing a mask and not. You chuck that shit out by a surprising amount, and easily within the "normal" 0.5m-1m the majority of us stand for regular social distance. You come within even a half decent reach of someone? Guess what, you just walked through their breath droplets. In that way it's certainly "airborne".

 

[rando0675309]

And are big cities even really getting screwed outside of NYC? I watched this and it seems...well, not that bad:

Is it possible that NYC, like Italy and Spain, simply has more unique circumstances and characteristics to make such a virus a maelstrom of shit? Aside from churchgoers or gross spring breakers/Mardi Gras revelers, I don't think most people, not even in other major cities, are as up close and personal in everyday life like NYers are.

And not all of NY or even NYC is getting hit equally. Some hospitals are getting hit hard while most others are mostly normal or slightly busier. TPTB are just going to spread out the load, so while it's not going to be fun, it won't be the coof-pocalypse either despite the bleatings from certain segments of the media and new nurses and resident doctors on Insta and Tik Tok.