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And are big cities even really getting screwed outside of NYC? I watched this and it seems...well, not that bad:

Is it possible that NYC, like Italy and Spain, simply has more unique circumstances and characteristics to make such a virus a maelstrom of shit? Aside from churchgoers or gross spring breakers/Mardi Gras revelers, I don't think most people, not even in other major cities, are as up close and personal in everyday life like NYers are.
No, be scared dammit! There's some random video from twitter with somebody who looks like a doctor and he looks scared! And some photo from "China" that happens to have a sign written in Korean! BE SCARED!!!
 
Another video from Dr. John Campbell. Large numbers of asymptomatic cases according to Fauci, According to Irish government80% will get a mild illness, 14% serious, 6% critical. Boris is likely in the 14%, needs oxygen. Hancock was in the 80%. This is presumably in the 50% that have symptoms. Cats develop antibodies to the virus. Probably can't infect humans, but he 'wouldn't let a cat lick me'. Thinks death rate is hard or impossible to calculate at this point. South Korea seems to have got the disease under control with numbers of new cases falling, despite lack of lockdown. Italy's death toll falling which implies new infections must have already dropped. Thinks the death rate is going to be 1-2% due to large numbers of undetected asymptomatic cases. Spain has a falling daily death toll, lockdown until 26th April. France has fewest deaths for 7 days. Australia seems to have a very low death rate, only 39 of 5.795 confirmed cases. Australian testing shows a 1.9% infection rate of those tested, mostly people from cruise ships which he 'accidentally misspelled as 'curse' ships'. He follows this with a meaningful look to camera. LOL. That's the end of the good news.

Japan only has 3,654 cases but have declared a state of emergency which implies things are about to get worse. US has 1K a day death rate. Much complaining about church services, even though if I were religious and I had a chance to meet God in the post-flesh I'd definitely go to church. Shit would be so cash. Tells Americans to nag the government more to lockdown everything. Says that most religious people are being sensible and going online but complains about Tony Spell saying his church was 'the safest place in the world', says he should be locked up. Mentions fake testing sites.

The UK has increasing cases, increasing deaths, Boris hospitalized, dogs and cats living together and presumably giving each other COVID. Thinks most deaths are in people with underlying health conditions. Points out the antibody test is 1 month away.

Austria has made masks mandatory for shopping, thinks this makes sense. He will release a video on how masks stop you from infecting people but might not protect you from getting infected, this has changed his mind on mask-wearing whole shopping and now recommends it, especially given the possibility of a large number of undetected asymptomatic carriers implied by Fauci's '50% asymptomatic rate'.

Mumbai hospital declared a red zone. India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan are in for a bad time. Same with African countries. He thinks the situation in Spain and Italy will improve, Africa, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh will get worse. He thinks US states with a lockdown will see things get better, those without will see things get worse.

Youtube link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB0U9Fbh0tM

Archive
https://archive.vn/wip/cGJ9A

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Let me tell you something about medics. They aren’t gods. They human, and an awful lot of the younger ones have never really seen any truly bad shit. Yes they’ve seen car wrecks when they rotated through the ER years back, but if you go through rotations and end up in a gastro or dermatology or genetics or research (ahem) line of work you’re totally removed from the drama, the death, and the gore. ER doctors, paramedics, and military are different beasts. But an awful lot of these guys and gals will be Hugely shocked by this because it’s the first time they’re seeing wholescale death. They aren’t usually dealing with people in this situation and while they work hard, they weren’t working like this. They’re shocked because they’ve been dragged out of ophthalmology, or some random department, and shoved with minimal training into high throughput ICU, with very little training and shot PPE. I’m not frontline, and if they do this to me I’ll shit myself as well. They won’t, lucky patients, I’d be bloody useless.

I can do RSI in about 90 seconds. Bedside to closed circuit.

An ophthalmologist is gonna take 90 seconds to figure out which one is the breathey hole and which one is the swallowey hole. I hope it never comes to that.
 
If you aren't a self-centered cow and have people you care about that are older you'd be willing to take the hit economy wise for a higher assurance of them staying safe. We can rebuild the economy, you can't bring back the dead. As someone who has mostly older family myself, it's not about the fact that I would likely survive it if I caught it. It's that the only people I really care about have a much higher likelihood of dying.

Damaged economies result in deaths. Most forms of labor contribute toward prolonging life in some way (providing food or shelter, or providing necessary services to the people who provide food and shelter). Society can handle some jobs being shut down for a short time, but sooner or later, preventable deaths from causes other than the coronavirus will start to increase.
 
Okay... these numbers make no goddamn sense, at least in my circumstance.

I've been lucky for once to live in the absolute ass-end of nowhere and my state has -only- had a couple hundred cases confirmed so far and only a handful of deaths. The chart before hand was showing maybe we'd begin to lose two or three people a day in the couple of weeks, but now it's saying we should be expecting to lose close to twenty a day- basically if these numbers were the absolute truth, basically everyone who is still infected (not counting recoveries) would be dead by the end of the week.

I realize my numbers are next to nothing compared to places like NYC or Detroit (hence is why I don't post too often in this thread), but at the same time, it makes things easier to gauge and realize something isn't clicking.

My state is the same (who knows, it might be the same state). I know someone who is high up in the medical hierarchy in my state and it's been explained to me that social distancing is working and is the best way to slow the spread. It's actually working so well that our numbers are under the proposed estimates. The focus right now is to find treatments (such as chloro-however it's spelled) with an eye to have a vaccine ready next year at some point. I know I'm not sharing anything new but it does support other things said on the topic in this thread.

It's slow to spread in rural areas, but it is spreading. If you actually do get it and require mechanical ventilation, it will not be there.

This is true, and I think this is where the federal government "one size fits all" response falls short. We rural states don't have the challenges of the ones with the large cities, so our focus has to be on mitigating the spread to the rural areas and coordinating support and supplies if/when it does get there. Our state and local governments are very aware of this; the federal government has its hands full dealing with the more urban states and isn't thinking through a rural lens.

Good god, if people think it's safe to go out with this thing out there, it isn't. It totally isn't. If you get sick, you're just putting more stress and a bigger caseload on our healthcare workers.

Living in such a high and constant state of anxiety isn't good for your health, thus adding you to the bigger caseload. Do some yoga or something.
 
Here a double feature presentation where Timcast in these 2 vlogs NYC will bury Corona-chan deaths in parks and the leftist ideology eating itself thanks to Corona-chan.


One Youtuber posted that interesting info.
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Fun fact: 2 of the 3 worst affected areas in NYC are in AOC’s district. They’re Jackson Heights and the ironically named Corona. And the area that isn’t in AOC’s district is Elmhurst which is in borderline in AOC’s district.
 
Damaged economies result in deaths. Most forms of labor contribute toward prolonging life in some way (providing food or shelter, or providing necessary services to the people who provide food and shelter). Society can handle some jobs being shut down for a short time, but sooner or later, preventable deaths from causes other than the coronavirus will start to increase.
I was gonna respond to that, but "meh'd" out. It's easy to say lives > economy when it's just stock brokers, luxuries, and ppl working from home. What happens when essentials break down?
 
Illinois man who thought girlfriend had COVID-19 fatally shoots her, himself

Family members later arrived on scene and told authorities that Jesernik had been scared that he and Schriefer had contracted COVID-19, and that Schriefer was tested two days earlier, the sheriff's office said. The family members said Schriefer had been having a hard time breathing and stated that to their knowledge, she had not received her test results.


Powerful stupid shit there.
 
Some data from the UK indicating ethnic minority patients may be hit harder.

Actual report
Archive:, https://archive.li/wip/JBsPt
Daily mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ority-backgrounds-vulnerable-coronavirus.html
Archive: https://archive.li/wip/wVhqq

South Asian in this context (Unlike the USA where Asian means oriental) means Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi. The DM article talks about higher smoking and drinking rates in minorities but drinking rates are definitely lower in that population. Plenty of smokers, among the men. Very unusual to see the women smoking, I can’t remember the last time I saw a woman from a traditionally minded community smoking.... Loads of diabetes- absolutely tons of it. And of course, cousin marriage. Rather less prevalent among the Indian cohort but really common in the Pakistani and Bangladeshi.
Cousin marriage has consequences - one of the things You Arent Allowed To Say in the Uk is that areas with high consanguinity have high rates of genetic illness. If you’re a geneticist in the West Midlands, or anywhere else with a high south Asian population, your case load is disproportionately from that population.
My area doesn’t have a large black population, so I’ll leave speculation there to others, but my point is that I doubt lifestyle factors account for all the difference. It’s possible there some genetic predisposition as there is with many illnesses.

@heathercho just in case you find interesting.
 
Some data from the UK indicating ethnic minority patients may be hit harder.

Actual report
Archive:, https://archive.li/wip/JBsPt
Daily mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ority-backgrounds-vulnerable-coronavirus.html
Archive: https://archive.li/wip/wVhqq

South Asian in this context (Unlike the USA where Asian means oriental) means Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi. The DM article talks about higher smoking and drinking rates in minorities but drinking rates are definitely lower in that population. Plenty of smokers, among the men. Very unusual to see the women smoking, I can’t remember the last time I saw a woman from a traditionally minded community smoking.... Loads of diabetes- absolutely tons of it. And of course, cousin marriage. Rather less prevalent among the Indian cohort but really common in the Pakistani and Bangladeshi.
Cousin marriage has consequences - one of the things You Arent Allowed To Say in the Uk is that areas with high consanguinity have high rates of genetic illness. If you’re a geneticist in the West Midlands, or anywhere else with a high south Asian population, your case load is disproportionately from that population.
My area doesn’t have a large black population, so I’ll leave speculation there to others, but my point is that I doubt lifestyle factors account for all the difference. It’s possible there some genetic predisposition as there is with many illnesses.

@heathercho just in case you find interesting.
It's absolutely a thing in India, too. Families tend to do it over generations, and the forces of caste and arranged marriage only make it worse. A lot of people there, especially in the villages, are varying degrees of inbred. It's a lot less bad in the city, but still a problem genetically that nobody wants to talk about.

I'm waiting for India to be totally fucked. They have a lot of the same structural problems as China - overpopulation, poor public health, corrupt government, poor education, and deeply entrenched extreme poverty - all turned up to 11.

They have their own version of TCM called Ayurvedic medicine. That's the basis of all the cow urine drinking over there. Modi's government, like Xi's in China, have been promoting Ayurvedic medicine as the True and Honest Medicine as a nationalist smokescreen for infrastructure and policy problems related to a lack of healthcare in general. Like China, India also has a lot of problems with counterfeit, contaminated, and outright fake medication. It's no wonder that people are turning to (fake lead dyed) turmeric and cow urine when the medicine they can get is likely to not be what it says it is.
 

And are big cities even really getting screwed outside of NYC? I watched this and it seems...well, not that bad:

Most people in most major cities avoided Chinatown and their local Asian market - this includes Chinese people. I went to Chinatown at the beginning of the outbreak and it was empty.

NYC had hug a Chinamen day and a bunch of white people flooded into Chinatown for parades.
 
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who is suffering from coronavirus, has been admitted to intensive care as his condition has worsened.


Downing Street spokesperson: "Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit"
 
Edit: sorry, cross posted. It is unlikely he’s not on a ventilator if he has been moved to an ICU bed.

Boris admitted to intensive care

 
Why would so many private doctors and nurses need to be laid off? Why not use them somehow? I thought there was a need?

It's not profitable for private healthcare to actually keep operating when it's really needed. It's that simple, really. The private sector of the healthcare industry cannot be trusted to actually treat pandemics. No way to overinflate the bill plus no way to hook the patient on happy pills without multiple ethics violations results in no way to profit at all for them. If the government gives them an incentive (AKA pays them a lot of money) maybe they'll act as if they're doing something. Until then... Yeah only the small and medium ones might have a conscience, the really big ones can only be trusted to get the fuck out of the way, close up shop, and come back later to offer hyperexpensive opioids to the survivors.

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This is such a dumb post.

That man doesn't represent all men and doctors, that woman doesn't represent all women or nurses. They're two unique people with their own thoughts and feelings on the matter. They're both working to save lives, that’s what’s important. Also, apparently the doctor was interviewed for an article and the nurse’s post was just a venting post on social media, so of course they’d say different things.

Also, the woman has a very valid point: signing up to be a nurse or doctor doesn’t mean signing up to be a sacrificial lamb. You can get sick, yes, but most of the time you should have some measure of protection against infectious patients. All our healthcare workers should be protected by PPE. Especially nurses, they have far more contact with patients and more risk of getting sick.

I have a personal stake in this because my 8-months-pregnant sister-in-law is a nurse (thankfully she works in the newborn ICU and not with infectious patients). My family worries about her a lot.

I've seen many male and female healthcare professionals have the kind of self sacrificial mindset that is awe inspiring. I have seen females trying to shake off duty and being extremely entitled, but then again that's probably because here in spain there's multiple initiatives that act as if female doctors will be treated like godesses, and when they're out of the degree they get thrown into the cold reality that they're just one more dumbass with a degree that should count themselves lucky if they even get a job... males just don't have that feminist propaganda to poison their mind.

Either way. Most females are just as capable and willing to go above and beyond. That being said. The real thing I disagree with, is you thinking she's right. Dude, if you can't stand being berated by angry patients, exposed to 7 kinds of dangerous shit a day and overall treated like a rag... You should not get into fucking healthcare. Yonkies who stop being able to buy their moroccan magic dust go to the hospital to try to extort their fill rutinely, and I've seen some get quite agressive because unlike the burgerlanders we actually won the war on drugs and don't intend to surrender to opioids so we can't just get them their happy pills. Karens with kids are genuinely way more dangerous though, holy shit I've seen them do stupid shit. And let's not even get into the drunken turists, specially britbongs holy fuck most of them are good but I've heard of the bad ones and holy shit are they bad. But don't be afraid it'll all feel small in comparison when you have to deal with the schyzo homeless that has been passing drugs for the moroccans and now got a hole in his chest and knows damn well he needs the hospital to close it up but will go to ANY lengths to ensure you don't tell the cops about it because he thinks they're mole people from saturn! And that's before your own Directives go full fucking retard which they absolutely always will when given the chance. It's like the Imperial fucking Guard over here. Everything wants you dead, most of all your higherups. Jokes and horrifying anecdotes aside, even on the best day, people who are in pain or grieving are NOT reasonable. You can't expect them to act reasonably. And you can't expect contagious patients to realize they are contagious before it's too damned late. And once the outbreak hits even without corona the logistical nightmare that is PPE will get parts of the hospital staff infected, that's just how it is. Now add a pandemic and PPE shortage to the mix and I find that attitude extremely fucking entitled and bitchy.

that seems like it would contribute to herd immunity because if you can get the teeniest tiniest dose and get your body in the know and start producing antibodies. I don't see a problem with that, isn't being exposed to a microdroplet basically the same thing as a control dose?

Long story short: NO!
 
>OMG NOOOO THERE IS A LITTLE FAGGOT DISEASE MAKING SOME PEOPLE SICK OH NOO IM SCARED AND GONNA CRY AND GO INTO A PANIC OVER IT AHHHH
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Stfu losers.

The final solution to this re.tarded gay ass disease is literally taking a paid vacation at home with your family and getting piss drunk and doing a shit ton of drugs and watching Netflix and shitposting memes online.

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The UK has increasing cases, increasing deaths, Boris hospitalized, dogs and cats living together and presumably giving each other COVID. Thinks most deaths are in people with underlying health conditions. Points out the antibody test is 1 month away.

Our infection rate seems to be steadying as is our death rate. Today it was lower but there's also the fact it was the weekend and there's less admin around. We'll see from tomorrow.
 
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