This thread is quickly starting to become one of my favorites. Not only is the topic of roleplaying disguised as mental illness really interesting, the clowns who keep inviting themselves to the circus really keep things fresh and exciting.
This is incredibly sad. She posted an apology and they are still bullying this unwell girl. This is pathetic and horrible. I feel awful for this girl. (Crossed out some words that give away my location, and can someone archive this video? I don't know how to do that.)
And used it better than most beginners even though it was “their first time using a tablet and drawing in photoshop.” And, as predicted, all the drawing styles look similar, though she tried hard to obfuscate that with Dark. Pretty convenient to have an alter that has no corporeal form that has never been mentioned until now when doing a video to compare drawing styles. That is my tinfoil hat theory for the day.
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This is incredibly sad. She posted an apology and they are still bullying this unwell girl. This is pathetic and horrible. I feel awful for this girl. (Crossed out some words that give away my location, and can someone archive this video? I don't know how to do that.)
I've archived in case it becomes relevant but there isn't much point in posting here. Unless she is directly acknowledged by Chloe or Nan again instead of just indirectly referenced in their 'uwu bully bad' posts, she's just another girl with mental illness sperging into the void as far as I'm concerned. Sad, but verging on irrelevant.
Edit: apologies for changing this, somehow hit enter at the wrong moment. Done now.
Good morning, Farmers.
I decided that it was about time to investigate what research on DID is really out there free from Chloe's confirmation bias and sketchy barely-credible journals. I refined my search to items published after 2014 to ensure non of the discarded mass-hysteria / Sybil type nonsense polluted the findings. Without PL'ing too much, I have open access to almost all the major psychology, neuroscience and psychiatry publications.
Immediately upon searching for 'Dissociative Identity Disorder', you notice that the majority of submissions are anecdotal patient 'case stories' - which themselves are often autobiographical. Most of these are included in biased textbooks intended to spotlight DID.
1. Comparison between relative percentage of peer-reviewed research articles for the term 'Dissociative Identity Disorder' vs 'Depression'. Notice that there's not only more publications for the latter, but also a comparatively higher ratio of actual research than books and other submissions. (Percentage derived from all online resources)
2. A sample of the 'research' that shows up upon search for DID (no refinement)
This is telling.
3. One rather amusing entry - it seems the Journal of Trauma & Dissociation does not care to proof-read and review its submissions enough to even notice that they've spelt the name of a disorder wrong in the article title. This is one of the journals Chloe likes to site.
4. Notable article with numerous citations - a literature review + empirical study comparing the differences in feigned DID vs actual patients: Boysen & VanBergen (2014): "Simulation of multiple personalities: A review of research comparing diagnosed and simulated dissociative identity disorder"
The study performed a number of manipulation checks on the sample to determine who was malingering and found that real DID patients knew LESS about their alters, had MORE compartmentalization of identity relevant information (amnesia walls were everywhere, not just where convenient), were slower to regain cognitive faculties after a switch, and generally knew LESS about DID as a whole. Patients with DID also showed evidence that their alters even had different visual acuity,
Cognitive differences:
"The most widely replicated difference between people diagnosed with DID and simulators is the deficit in cognitive processing shown by the former group in terms of memory and reaction times. Two independent research groups have shown that people diagnosed with DID have lower recognition of previously seen material than simulators regardless of which identity was exposed to the material ".
"A final cognitive deficit involves reduced memory on measures of recall. One research group has demonstrated that DID patients have lower recall scores than simulators regardless of which identity was exposed to the material ".
Note that most tests of memory and acuity etc here are implicit, not simply asking the participant whether or not they remember, as this is exactly the dissociation shown in malingerers. Malingerers will give poor explicit self report of object recognition, performing highly on implicit assessment, whilst DID patients show consistency between the two measures.
Alter differences:
"One potential criticism of DID simulation research is that the alternate identities created by simulators do not reflect the common differences between the identities of people diagnosed with DID. For example, one identity might have no trauma-related experiences whereas another identity is focused on past trauma."
"There is also evidence that people diagnosed with DID show differences between trauma-focused and trauma-neutral identities that are not shown by simulators."
They also make a "sociocognitive assertion that people with DID are playing a social role rather than exhibiting a special dissociative state that results in a split of consciousness. " - I.e. the 'alters' are functional fragments of the whole, not OC type separate people.
Comment on overlap between the two groups:
"The fact that, in terms of key symptoms of the disorder, people taught to simulate DID are largely indistinguishable from people actually diagnosed with DID shows that social influence cannot be eliminated as a possible etiological factor." - They're basically saying that the transmission of DID between people due to influences cannot be ruled out
5. Every paper on DID treatment that I could find asserted "The main treatment for DID is individual, outpatient psychotherapy. Treatment guidelines recommend a three-phase approach: firstly achieving stability; secondly working with the trauma and its consequences and finally working towards integration" (Leonard & Tiler, 2015; International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, 2011). All this BS about living a stable life with your alters being a long term goal is completely deluded and hasn't been recommended by anybody.
6. Search results for things Chloe et al. assume to be 'true' and 'evident' components of real DID.
Non-human alters /identities: Nothing besides a couple anthropological theses on religion. Nothing to do with DID.
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This is incredibly sad. She posted an apology and they are still bullying this unwell girl. This is pathetic and horrible. I feel awful for this girl. (Crossed out some words that give away my location, and can someone archive this video? I don't know how to do that.)
She attacked an entire community! We are all suffering trauma right now and y’all sit here like you know everything about DID/OSDD! You don’t know shit! You’re all tryhards and OP doesn’t prove ANYTHING! Get a life, leave Nin alone. Y’all are so toxic and damaging the community she worked hard to build!
She attacked an entire community! We are all nigga autists right now and y’all sit here like you know everything about DID/OSDD! You don’t know shit! You’re all tryhards and OP doesn’t prove ANYTHING! Get a life, leave Nigga alone. Y’all are so toxic and damaging the community she worked hard to build!
She attacked an entire community! We are all suffering trauma right now and y’all sit here like you know everything about DID/OSDD! You don’t know shit! You’re all tryhards and OP doesn’t prove ANYTHING! Get a life, leave Nin alone. Y’all are so toxic and damaging the community she worked hard to build!
I've archived in case it becomes relevant but there isn't much point in posting here. Unless she is directly acknowledged by Chloe or Nan she's just another girl with mental illness sperging into the void as far as I'm concerned. Sad, but verging on irrelevant.
Wow, y’all are racist here too? Lol nobody is ever going to take your bullshit seriously! Let’s see how this will stand up in your take down of the DID community! Systems are literally splitting and suicidal and you do is sit here and not going past the first page of google research! Making fun of Nan and also Nin’s suicide? Wow. Just wow. What if it was your daughter? Or something. Y’all are so sick it is unbelievable. None of this will ever hold up! Dissociadid is literally laughing at you right now. Stop while you’re ahead this is so embarrassing. Mocking systems and calling people who stand up a LITERAL bully toxic?
Is it bad that I kinda miss them? It would be interesting to see once the hysterical bully stuff went away why they actually believe what they believe and why they are so devoted to Chloe. I mean I'm pretty sure I know the answers but #forscience
I just realized that twitter account is an "Alter" in their system. The link to their actual Twitter is in the description of decapltate. (bandaidstrip) aka "Sleepy System". This is, I'm pretty sure, the person in one of Tatiana's videos who filmed herself mocking Trisha and saying she was "Trisha's Oink Pig Bitch Alter". For those not familiar, the Oscar winning moment takes place at 4:37. She has been seen in the comments asking for the video to be taken down and since this name corresponds with the Twitter Sleepy System, I think we have our gal.
I just realized that twitter account is an "Alter" in their system. The link to their actual Twitter is in the description of decapltate. The Sleepy System. This is, I'm pretty sure, the person in one of Tatiana's videos who filmed herself mocking Trisha and saying she was "Trisha's Oink Pig Bitch Alter". For those not familiar, the Oscar winning moment takes place at 4:37. She has been seen in the comments asking for the video being taken down and since this name corresponds with the Twitter Sleepy System, I think we have our gal.
Why can't they decide on a system name? Too many alters arguing over it? If that really is them then I wonder why Chloe won't stop her fans from screaming at the mentally ill in her name.
Bitch looks like a melting animatronic. How does she do that?
She attacked an entire community! We are all suffering trauma right now and y’all sit here like you know everything about DID/OSDD! You don’t know shit! You’re all tryhards and OP doesn’t prove ANYTHING! Get a life, leave Nin alone. Y’all are so toxic and damaging the community she worked hard to build!
This cannot be for real. What the fuck. Is it a full moon tonight or something where the hell are you people coming from? Oh, my god, my sides can’t handle much more. I’d love to debate but there’s no point feeding a troll who has been banned.
whew, what a night, lads.
But, on the real, I truly do worry about the mental health of her fans. Anyone who goes out of their way to attack someone so viciously and make a video of it all in the name of some person they stan is some unhealthy shit. They think they’re getting the help they need/want through Chloe/Nan and found a community full of “support” (and I’m sure there are some very nice and supportive people in that community), but that kind of groupthink mentality can be so damaging.
If any fans are lurking, please know we can hold civil conversations as long as you’re civil as well. It’d be interesting to see Chloe from their perspective and what they gain from this like @Gramh said.
I just realized that twitter account is an "Alter" in their system. The link to their actual Twitter is in the description of decapltate. (bandaidstrip) aka "Sleepy System". This is, I'm pretty sure, the person in one of Tatiana's videos who filmed herself mocking Trisha and saying she was "Trisha's Oink Pig Bitch Alter". For those not familiar, the Oscar winning moment takes place at 4:37. She has been seen in the comments asking for the video to be taken down and since this name corresponds with the Twitter Sleepy System, I think we have our gal.
Hold up. I recognize the 'Sleepy System' as one of the only people that replies to Receipts Y'all's Twitter. I've mentioned them a couple of times as one of the most ridiculous stans I've seen. She shows up everywhere crusading for Chloe, outing accounts the criticize Nin when they change their name, making videos, accusing Chloe-hating Cyberbullies of stealing her credit card.
