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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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Our users posting medical claims and backing it up with proof is better. Thank you for the links.
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I don't know why the sterility is so terrible. Unless it affects testosterone or erectile function, there are too many people in the world anyway. It would be terrible if it caused birth defects.
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I mean, there are too many African, Chinese, and Indian people in the world. I'm not one of them so I'd like to choos- FUCK. FUCK FUCK FUCK.
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It was posted before, people just don't read the thread even when they are locked in their homes.
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When I linked to the John Campbell video about airborne and droplet transmission, a lot of people said 'Well if that's the case the lockdown won't have any effect', and that's an interesting question.
Now in the UK the lockdown was introduced March 23rd.
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Now let's look at the effect this has had on cases
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So how long does it take to develop symptoms? The only recent article I found referencing an actual study is this one
web.archive.org
Now if it's the cases that lockdowns work to stop new infections and the effects of the lockdown take 11 days to show, we should be seeing something, right? 11 days from March 24th (assume it take a day for the lockdown to work), would be April 4.
Arcgis has the latest data for today so we'll use that.
The highlighted 4/5/20 spike (no, I don't why the dates are d/m/yy on a UK government site) is the 5th of April and looks like it might be an outlier. Maybe increased testing. Next to that, we do see some lower numbers but we don't have enough data at present to say whether or not the lockdown is working.
Incidentally, even if the virus is in airborne droplets it might well reduce infection rates if people are essentially self-isolating at home because they avoid inhaling the exhaled droplet of many other people. Of course, it could be that self-isolation has no effect on the infection rate. It depends on how many viral droplets there are in the air outside your house. If it's enough to infect you, you will be infected regardless of self-isolation. If the air around your house does not, self-isolation might still help.
I'm kind of agnostic on the utility of lockdown, to be honest. We'd need a few more days of data to decide if things are improving or not. It does seem like lockdowns helped with the 1918 influenza epidemic, and influenza is aerosol and droplet transmissible.
What would be interesting, in a grim sort of way, would be if the lockdown doesn't seem to be working. I predict the media will just demand an even stricter version of the lockdown to see if that works. Of course, in the long run, you'd expect the epidemic to burn itself out eventually as something changes to bring the R(t), the infection rate down below 1. If each infected person infects less than one more person all the infected will recover or die and the problem will be solved.
Now in the UK the lockdown was introduced March 23rd.
The UK's coronavirus lockdown, and how long it will last, explained |…
archived 7 Apr 2020 21:44:14 UTC
Now let's look at the effect this has had on cases
United Kingdom Coronavirus: 55,242 Cases and 6,159 Deaths - Worldomet…
archived 7 Apr 2020 21:45:54 UTC
So how long does it take to develop symptoms? The only recent article I found referencing an actual study is this one
Here's how long it takes for coronavirus symptoms to appear - and what they are
A study carried out by American scientists confirmed how long it can take for symptoms of Covid-19 to show in humans
web.archive.org
Now if it's the cases that lockdowns work to stop new infections and the effects of the lockdown take 11 days to show, we should be seeing something, right? 11 days from March 24th (assume it take a day for the lockdown to work), would be April 4.
Arcgis has the latest data for today so we'll use that.
The highlighted 4/5/20 spike (no, I don't why the dates are d/m/yy on a UK government site) is the 5th of April and looks like it might be an outlier. Maybe increased testing. Next to that, we do see some lower numbers but we don't have enough data at present to say whether or not the lockdown is working.
Incidentally, even if the virus is in airborne droplets it might well reduce infection rates if people are essentially self-isolating at home because they avoid inhaling the exhaled droplet of many other people. Of course, it could be that self-isolation has no effect on the infection rate. It depends on how many viral droplets there are in the air outside your house. If it's enough to infect you, you will be infected regardless of self-isolation. If the air around your house does not, self-isolation might still help.
I'm kind of agnostic on the utility of lockdown, to be honest. We'd need a few more days of data to decide if things are improving or not. It does seem like lockdowns helped with the 1918 influenza epidemic, and influenza is aerosol and droplet transmissible.
What would be interesting, in a grim sort of way, would be if the lockdown doesn't seem to be working. I predict the media will just demand an even stricter version of the lockdown to see if that works. Of course, in the long run, you'd expect the epidemic to burn itself out eventually as something changes to bring the R(t), the infection rate down below 1. If each infected person infects less than one more person all the infected will recover or die and the problem will be solved.
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I wonder how many childfree men who haven't been able to get a vasectomy will try to catch this just so they can be sterile.
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There are viruses in animals that cause temporary sterility via the same ACE2 mechanism (germinal cells in the testes are killed off via T cells rampaging)
Your body can repair that damage. It's not something to worry about. You should probably worry about, y'know, the other shit COVID-19 does. I don't know how temporary sterility is somehow scarier than literally dying with a tube shoved down your throat but ok.
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In Canada my leaders look fucking shook i think this virus is far worse then they are saying also these figures dont look good 50% of critical cases result in a fatality 5% are critical but it gets worse 15% are severe cases and without medical treatment many of them will go critical resulting in 10% fatality assuming hospitals are at full capacity which makes sense with Italy's 10% death rate which makes sense with the fact this virus is really similar to SARS 2003 that boasted a 10% death rate my guess is that the 2% death rate is under optimal hospital care which when this blows up good luck getting a hospital bed and oxygen tank furthermore 50% of patients are 50 and under that require critical care.
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Few dozen or so pages back I was talking about the numbers on the IHME website being fucking broken, at least, for my little corner of ass-end nowhere. Case in point: I am in a state where we have been fortunate to have less than 5 deaths due to COVID-19 in totality. According to IHME however, in the last 48 hours, we had over 25 deaths - over five times the actual amount.
During today's press briefing, our Gov. actually put the IHME on blast and stated for the record that our state's government has contacted them and asked them what the hell is going on. No response so far.
Keep in mind, this isn't to be perceived as a "it's just a flu bro" post, as obviously there is serious shit going down. Still, I'm a little concerned about this discrepancy in numbers. Again, I realize I'm in the ass-end of nowhere so my situation is vastly different from a lot of other people, and I realize our numbers are just a drop in the bucket compared to Detroit, NYC, WA, etc. Maybe (hopefully) it's just an overworked tech putting in the wrong numbers in the wrong field.
However, if the IHME numbers are somehow this wrong for my podunk ass-end of nowhere, how wrong are they for other places that are being severely impacted?
During today's press briefing, our Gov. actually put the IHME on blast and stated for the record that our state's government has contacted them and asked them what the hell is going on. No response so far.
Keep in mind, this isn't to be perceived as a "it's just a flu bro" post, as obviously there is serious shit going down. Still, I'm a little concerned about this discrepancy in numbers. Again, I realize I'm in the ass-end of nowhere so my situation is vastly different from a lot of other people, and I realize our numbers are just a drop in the bucket compared to Detroit, NYC, WA, etc. Maybe (hopefully) it's just an overworked tech putting in the wrong numbers in the wrong field.
However, if the IHME numbers are somehow this wrong for my podunk ass-end of nowhere, how wrong are they for other places that are being severely impacted?
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ye know, when
Happens is when I’d like a facepalm rating here. Ffs and did ye look at that bint who said that about Boris? Jabba the huts wife, but she *ahem apologised and brought to heel by othersNoideawhattopick
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Fuck bill gates. Shoot him in his old fucking nerd face.
I am beginning to believe this control through microchip that he wants.
Corona-Chan get Bill Gates next please.
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To your credit on that one, I ignored the Chinese study the last time it was posted, too. But beggars can't be choosers. I just hope any American or European or non-Chinese nation in Asia follows up on the premise that China Virus makes men sterile. Seems like a ball of fluff.
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He'll most likely try and get some slush fund money out of it or something similar to peddle off to his republican cronies. He won't be able to resist taking cream off the top.
Trump removes watchdog tapped for $2T virus rescue oversight
President Donald Trump has removed the inspector general who was to chair a special oversight board of the $2.2 trillion rescue package for businesses and individuals affected by the coronavirusabcnews.go.com
Tl;dr Trump keeps firing people from independent watchdog groups who keep an eye on the federal government because he felt they’re being too critical of him. Currently there is no one overseeing the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package to make sure businesses are using taxpayer money responsibly.
I don’t like this at all. This seems like a clear violation of checks and balances.
I know an overwhelming percentage of users are here are pro-Trump but I hope you agree with me that this is concerning. I don’t want the government handing trillions of taxpayer dollars to companies while there’s no oversight on how it’s being spent. I want the person overseeing it to be impartial and an outsider who doesn’t have connections to the current administration or any businesses included in the relief package. What is the point of a watchdog who can be removed by the very person they’re supposed to be watching?
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I wonder how many shitheads are going to try to say they don't need to use a condom because they had the corona virus in spring of 2020.
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The guy who self funded and gives his entire Presidential paychecks to charity?
That's not deranged at all.
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I promised I'd say more here about the Pacto de la Moncloa before going to bed. I made this promise under the assumption that since our politicians were giving today a press release to explain it I would be able to explain it to you. Sadly said press release was nothing but empty filler about dialogue and compromise with not a shred of actual info. So I'm happy to say the pact will be so good that Spain will become the next world leader, every member of the CCP will commit suicide in shame, world poverty will be erradicated, and the ocean will turn fluorescent pink... yeah it was literal hours of politicians talking without actually saying anything. Fucking hell. On other news: we have no other news. Which is great news! I hope you're all doing just as well.
No need to be sorry we know that quite well. I talked extensively of our curse, by which it seems everyone who gets to a leading position in spain magically halves their IQ when doing so.
If you think the testing in Italy, France and Spain has been sufficient I have a fucking island to sell to you.
No need to be sorry we know that quite well. I talked extensively of our curse, by which it seems everyone who gets to a leading position in spain magically halves their IQ when doing so.
If you think the testing in Italy, France and Spain has been sufficient I have a fucking island to sell to you.
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Hello there comrade, how are the breadlines? Besides that though, our medical system is worse than Italy in regards that we have 1.5 to 2 less beds per person. Though our population density outside of the metropolitan centres in most parts of Ontario and Quebec are quite reasonable, so the virus isn't going to wipe most places out that you drive by on the 401. The populations with the most people are going to be obviously the most heavily infected, and with some of our findings of the aerosol droplets travelling 2-3 times father than typically assumed, if this is true then we are in a problem. Though SARS works in that very similar way, what made SARS different was the lethality was higher, because the lag time wasn't as long, but also it generally killed people a little quicker.
This disease from what I am finding out is a lot different than has been thought in China (SURPRISE SURPRISE), and I think we are beginning to get a better idea as the days to go on how to combat this nasty thing. Trudeau and the idiot federal ministers are clueless, and had no real plan to begin with. Though luckily one thing that was taken seriously politics aside was the important nature of lock down, and testing earlier on. Problem though is that the latency in the test times is beginning to stifle our progress, also every municipality addresses their city different. The ministers on a provincial level though beyond the swamp at the Federal level are doing a fairly decent job in addressing the issue.
Again the numbers look scary, but again that is if we didn't take lock down seriously for over the course of 18 months to 2 years. We already have been hit by a couple of waves and the numbers in the next month are going to parallel the do nothing strategy. By June we will have a better picture if lock-down had any effect or not. If it does, it'll probably continue on a massive scale until October, and by then most of the country starts getting cold again, and people aren't going out too much in the winter. Plus our health minister is a anthropologist not a real doctor, she was quoting WHO numbers and bad data from the start. R0 is a solid 2.3 ; mortality rate in my guess is 0.6 +/- 0.1 percent ideally, but in communities that are dense, stacked on top of each other, sick, lack of medical resources, we are looking at 1.2-2.0 percent. That doubling/tripling has to account for scaling up, and if the medical system collapses then we are looking at 10%,12% numbers like Italy in certain places. Again this is over a 2 year period, with good management, social distancing, and contact tracing. Then as well once treatments start rolling out as they begin to understand the disease, we'll see VERY significant drops from my ideal very optimistic 0.6 +/- 0.1 percent number .
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