Shows you've had a falling out with - IE, they just suck now

[The Pink Panther]

Last Man Standing: This was a show that one of my ex's watched a lot, so I decided to check it out. It stars Tim Allen, and was basically the only reason why I gave the show a shot in the first place. First season was fine... nothing spectacular, but it didn't bore me to death. As soon as the second season started, thats when shit got bad... the older daughter gets replaced with a different actor and all of a sudden the show get's politically preachy (like leftist libtard preachy). Made me do a hard "nope" really fucking quick.

I thought Tim Allen was a fucking conservative.

And I thought his character in the show was a conservative.

 

[frozenrunner]

I posted it in some other thread, but Mr. Mercedes went from, bar none, the best thing on TV after a flawless first season to a depressing second season. It was still quite good TV, all things considered... but the writers fucked up and clearly didn't pre-plan what order they were going to adapt the books in (in a fucking trilogy, no less), and because of that they didn't do the groundwork for the second season (which covers the third book) while writing the first season, and it was painfully obvious. (Without getting into real spoilers, something decidedly supernatural happens in season two, and nothing in season one established that the show's very grounded universe allows for the supernatural.)

Most recently they've adapted the second book for the third season (which I haven't watched yet), making the second season even more frustrating because... why not just adapt the books in order and slowly ramp up to the outlandish shit revealed in the second season?! Because... they just didn't plan ahead.

It's a shame, because it's still one of the best acted, best written, and best directed shows on TV. But it will never be as good as the first season was again. And now HBO's The Outsider, which is from the same fictional King universe, is eating their lunch, critically speaking. (And with a pointlessly race-bent Holly Gibny when there was already a great actress perfectly playing the same character elsewhere, albeit on another show. I guess that level of consistency just would have been too cool to see...)

Basically most of what everyone posted already (GOT butchered Stannis and it was a sign of things to come) but right now Westworld is the best example of a show that started out with good acting, an interesting plot in S1 and then took a screaming nosedive into the ground in S2. S3 is HBO selling off bits of the wreckage to anyone who cares.

Part of what made Season 1 so good was Anthony Hopkins and Ed Harris. Hopkins is such a skilled actor that his absence from most of S2 and S3 to date is so noticeable that whenever his character's name is mentioned it's a reminder of the depth he gave the series and it's missing now that he's gone. Harris is barely around but when he does appear he almost makes up for the bad writing/pacing/acting in Westworld. Almost because the contrast just reminds you how shit this series is.

I'm only watching so I can see Ed Harris do a final beat down of Evan Rachel Wood. Wood is well cast as a robot because it suits her robotic acting acting perfectly.

I mean, the "YASSS QWEEN SLAYYYY" shit is unbearable, but that was in the show from the beginning (tons of lame IDpol subtext, too), and it mostly succeeded in spite of that. After a slightly disappointing second season, I'm mostly fine with the third season so far. What's the issue everyone is having with it?

I stopped watching Mr. Robot after it became a "we r the 99%, anonymoose does not forgive", which was probably season 1 because I remember like nothing about it otherwise.

I was a huge fan of the first season, and I enjoyed but was slightly disappointed by the second season. I almost dropped the show entirely during the first half of the third season... but halfway through, it really picked up and got interesting again. The fourth and final season was, with the exception of one weird episode, really fucking good. You could tell the creator had planned a lot of what happened from the beginning.

Worth picking back to and finishing, IMO.

 

[behavioral swamp thang]

The 16 and Pregnant franchise. It started off as a way to document these trashy teens in horrifying situations and became a series about what happens when teen moms make half a million a year. Believe it or not, it isn't interesting at all. I can't watch a woman think she's humble for driving a suburuban. And for that, I'm out.

 

[TwinkLover6969]

Any show that is still airing new episodes post 2016. Creators have lost their fucking minds and are stuffing all kinds of progressive dog shit into their shows.

 

[Dyn]

"I can't watch anything that doesn't constantly validate my personal political beliefs" lmao

 

[Cooking Mama]

The Walking Dead after they killed off Glenn and Abraham. I was already fairly fed up after the massive cliffhanger that was an obvious bid to have more viewers for the next season’s premiere, but dragging out the “suspense” of who was going to die for nearly a god damn hour just did it for me. Still wish they would let that god damn show die.

Game of Thrones after the final season. I used to rewatch the show on occasion because I enjoyed it so much, but the absolute filth that was the sixth and seventh seasons and then the final season on top of that just spoiled the series forever for me. I can’t rewatch that show without being reminded of what happened. Still enjoy ASOIAF, though.

American Horror Story after a few episodes into Freakshow. I don’t know who continues to allow Ryan Murphy to produce shows, that man cannot plan for the long term and has creative ADD, all his plots on all of his shows quickly turn to shit fairly early on. Which is a shame, some of his ideas aren’t half bad, he just sucks with fleshing them out. Then again, I went into the show knowing he was a terrible writer so it was a bit of a guilty pleasure kind of watch. The only actual season I watched all the way through was Murder House, the rest I tried to watch but gave up usually by the third episode.

American Gods after the third episode of the second season. That show was so good and just fell apart so quickly after two of the leads and main writers/producers left.

 

[Immortal Technique]

Shark Tank or the other country's versions. Search out for some follow ups, the majority of all the "deals" fall through or were never signed, or truly offered.

 

[AnOminous]

The Walking Dead after they killed off Glenn and Abraham. I was already fairly fed up after the massive cliffhanger that was an obvious bid to have more viewers for the next season’s premiere, but dragging out the “suspense” of who was going to die for nearly a god damn hour just did it for me. Still wish they would let that god damn show die.

This. And it was never more than sporadically good after Darabont got forced out. So basically 4 episodes. And Robert Kirkman is a fat fucking dick, which overshadows everything about the franchise.

 

[Cooking Mama]

This. And it was never more than sporadically good after Darabond got forced out. And Robert Kirkman is a fat fucking dick, which overshadows everything about the franchise.

What happened with Darabond and Kirkman? I didn’t pay much attention to behind the scenes stuff when I did watch the show and stopped altogether after I quit watching.

 

[AnOminous]

What happened with Darabond and Kirkman? I didn’t pay much attention to behind the scenes stuff when I did watch the show and stopped altogether after I quit watching.

AMC decided it was a good idea to respond to a zombie show's runaway success by not actually having zombies any more and just having it be people sitting around talking on some shitty farm for a year. Darabont didn't agree. Also they wanted to cheat him out of his share of the profits. There's been a huge lawsuit going on for years since that was supposed to go to trial this May, finally. That probably is going to be delayed again.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

House MD after the character became a tyrant sniiffing his own farts, getting high on his ego, and generally being a pre-Rick from Rick and Morty.
Dropped it after the show became another "who fucks who" shitshow.

 

[Cooking Mama]

AMC decided it was a good idea to respond to a zombie show's runaway success by not actually having zombies any more and just having it be people sitting around talking on some shitty farm for a year. Darabont didn't agree. Also they wanted to cheat him out of his share of the profits. There's been a huge lawsuit going on for years since that was supposed to go to trial this May, finally. That probably is going to be delayed again.

So that’s what happened to the writing. I don’t particularly mind when they focused more on human vs human aspects in the show (i actually enjoyed the governor arc, I liked seeing two different power dynamics in an apocalyptic setting like that), but then like... that’s all it became and you can only reuse “this group is threatening the safety of rick’s group oh no there is gonna have to be a lord of the flies show down between the two groups who will survive?!” plot so many damn times. Which is once. You can only do it once. After the governor arc, every other big bad felt trite. Especially Negan, good lord what a huge let down. And now there all these spin offs and AMC, please, just let it end.

What’s up with Kirkman, though?

 

[TokiBun]

For some reason I watched 9 seasons of Grey’s Anatomy so I could talk to my classmates better. Once Maggie joined the cast and started acting like a cunt I stopped watching. Might pick it back up or rewatch the show since Quarantine can get dull.

The other show was Steven Universe but I watched it to the end. I like the show but hate how fans can’t admit when it has its problems.

 

[Kulee Baba]

Bob's Burgers was never a cartoon I'd call fantastic, it was far more shallow than its most obvious influence King of the Hill. But it had an amusing family dynamic, it's nice to have a family sitcom where the family acts like they love each other. Bob and Louise's episodes were especially good and a couple times struck an emotional chord on me. But now the show is just trash.

Every damn episode now has to have a musical number, they don't even attempt to make good songs anymore, they just feel if they have the VA's singing in their silly cartoon voices it's comic gold. If I never have to hear H Jon Benjamin sing a song I will be very happy. The shows plotlines used to be common relatable plotlines like having to deal with your shitty inlaws or fighting with a school bully. From what I've seen most episode plots now are insanely wacky misadventures you can hardly relate to. I don't know if I've just grown tired of the character banter but it doesn't feel as amusing as it did when the show first started.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I posted it in some other thread, but Mr. Mercedes went from, bar none, the best thing on TV after a flawless first season to a depressing second season. It was still quite good TV, all things considered... but the writers fucked up and clearly didn't pre-plan what order they were going to adapt the books in (in a fucking trilogy, no less), and because of that they didn't do the groundwork for the second season (which covers the third book) while writing the first season, and it was painfully obvious. (Without getting into real spoilers, something decidedly supernatural happens in season two, and nothing in season one established that the show's very grounded universe allows for the supernatural.)

Most recently they've adapted the second book for the third season (which I haven't watched yet), making the second season even more frustrating because... why not just adapt the books in order and slowly ramp up to the outlandish shit revealed in the second season?! Because... they just didn't plan ahead.

It's a shame, because it's still one of the best acted, best written, and best directed shows on TV. But it will never be as good as the first season was again. And now HBO's The Outsider, which is from the same fictional King universe, is eating their lunch, critically speaking. (And with a pointlessly race-bent Holly Gibny when there was already a great actress perfectly playing the same character elsewhere, albeit on another show. I guess that level of consistency just would have been too cool to see...)



I mean, the "YASSS QWEEN SLAYYYY" shit is unbearable, but that was in the show from the beginning (tons of lame IDpol subtext, too), and it mostly succeeded in spite of that. After a slightly disappointing second season, I'm mostly fine with the third season so far. What's the issue everyone is having with it?



I was a huge fan of the first season, and I enjoyed but was slightly disappointed by the second season. I almost dropped the show entirely during the first half of the third season... but halfway through, it really picked up and got interesting again. The fourth and final season was, with the exception of one weird episode, really fucking good. You could tell the creator had planned a lot of what happened from the beginning.

Worth picking back to and finishing, IMO.

So in the first season Westworld was about robots gaining sentience and rebelling against their human masters but as Bernard points out to Mauve during her escape she's not so much sentient as following a pre-determined script. The idea that none of hosts truly have free will is there but in the second season the plot sort off veered off into various tangents that didn't always connect. Now in the third season we have Delores and Mauve doing things that beggar the suspension of disbelief, such as Delores becoming wealthy by picking out rich men and overwhelming them with her superior robot 3-D chess and Mauve is revealed as the Neo of Westworld and breaks out of a simulation only to be picked up by some shady character who wants her to kill Delores. I forgot, Delores conveniently finds a Teddy sub waiting for her while she's not really dying and takes him into her confidence because reasons. Ed Harris is institutionalized by Charlotte Hale/Delores Abernathy because again, reasons we aren't told. Bernard is out there, wandering around until he becomes important again. Hosts we saw in previous seasons are running around the "real" world and we're not sure if they're humans or robots since so far there's been no explanation.

It went from a coherent, tightly written story to a mess of gamers = nazis, robots-good, people-bad but maybe not I-don't-know tee hee. I suspect at the end it will be revealed it's all one, vast simulation run by an AI in a think tank owned by Ed Harris so he can sell it to the highest bidder.

 

[Some JERK]

Spoiler: Ray Donovan

Ray starts the series loathing his father for being a complete piece of shit, and through the course of the show basically disintegrated into exact same piece of shit his father was in every way. This culminates in Ray throwing himself off of a tall building in a fit of absolute despair. It was a perfect ending to the series and they fucked it up by continuing past that point.

Also... Arrow: It was never that good but it was sort of entertaining. It got god-awful after a couple of seasons though. Every major female character just started spewing wokeness and generally transformed from halfway likable characters into gratingly awful self-absorbed harpies.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I thought Tim Allen was a fucking conservative.

And I thought his character in the show was a conservative.

From Season 2 on, Tim Allen is in situations where he pretty much get's bullied for his "wrong-think" thanks to the aforementioned older daughter who's like Hayley Smith from American Dad only 10x worse (like in one episode she takes her kid to a school where the class the kid was in had a teacher that was ok with letting a boy wear a skirt. When the parents found out, you could see it in Tim's face that his brain was turning into pudding from the "wtf" moment). His escape is when he's at his job (a hunting/camping/fishing/shooting store... basically a manly-man's store), but even then there are times where he questions if what he says/thinks/does is ok.

 

[Cooking Mama]

Bob's Burgers was never a cartoon I'd call fantastic, it was far more shallow than its most obvious influence King of the Hill. But it had an amusing family dynamic, it's nice to have a family sitcom where the family acts like they love each other. Bob and Louise's episodes were especially good and a couple times struck an emotional chord on me. But now the show is just trash.

Every damn episode now has to have a musical number, they don't even attempt to make good songs anymore, they just feel if they have the VA's singing in their silly cartoon voices it's comic gold. If I never have to hear H Jon Benjamin sing a song I will be very happy. The shows plotlines used to be common relatable plotlines like having to deal with your shitty inlaws or fighting with a school bully. From what I've seen most episode plots now are insanely wacky misadventures you can hardly relate to. I don't know if I've just grown tired of the character banter but it doesn't feel as amusing as it did when the show first started.

I miss the old Bob’s Burgers so much, it was great to watch and also great to throw on for background noise.

So in the first season Westworld was about robots gaining sentience and rebelling against their human masters but as Bernard points out to Mauve during her escape she's not so much sentient as following a pre-determined script. The idea that none of hosts truly have free will is there but in the second season the plot sort off veered off into various tangents that didn't always connect. Now in the third season we have Delores and Mauve doing things that beggar the suspension of disbelief, such as Delores becoming wealthy by picking out rich men and overwhelming them with her superior robot 3-D chess and Mauve is revealed as the Neo of Westworld and breaks out of a simulation only to be picked up by some shady character who wants her to kill Delores. I forgot, Delores conveniently finds a Teddy sub waiting for her while she's not really dying and takes him into her confidence because reasons. Ed Harris is institutionalized by Charlotte Hale/Delores Abernathy because again, reasons we aren't told. Bernard is out there, wandering around until he becomes important again. Hosts we saw in previous seasons are running around the "real" world and we're not sure if they're humans or robots since so far there's been no explanation.

It went from a coherent, tightly written story to a mess of gamers = nazis, robots-good, people-bad but maybe not I-don't-know tee hee. I suspect at the end it will be revealed it's all one, vast simulation run by an AI in a think tank owned by Ed Harris so he can sell it to the highest bidder.

Fucking hell. I’ve been putting off starting the new season because I’m worried it’s just going to be shit and your post has amplified those worries ten fold. Ugh.

 

[knightlautrec]

Archer. Loved the first few seasons but the pulp adventure one and the space one lost me completely. Dreamland as well to some point. I really like the animation style and hope they do another show but leave Archer alone. Whatever magic they had is gone.

Westworld. Dear god. What a noise dive of a compelling show. I won't repeat what everyone has said but the plot is just rëtarded BS grasping for meaning and special Sue robot shit. The production design of season three is really good though. Visually it's still stunning but I couldn't make it through the first episode after Delores and her stupid 'revenge hologram' shit on that dude and his convenient death. 'Oh I liberated this lady but not really since I'm stealing all their money'.

Fringe. Good first seasons but just lost steam eventually where the writers seemed to be stumped on stuff to do so threw in just everything and the kitchen sink as conflict.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

"I can't watch anything that doesn't constantly validate my personal political beliefs" lmao

Quite a gross over-simplification.

More like I watched a show for interesting satire of current events, and slowly but surely the satire became "hammer you over the head with the creators' opinions" and eventually further degraded into "pussing out and backtracking."
Rather unappealing for a show that's entire reputation spawned because of how ruthlessly unapologetic it was, huh?