Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[rot]

I believe that there are two different issues here, and bpd cases that don't split/dissociate severely are probably either something else, or the 80% of bpd cases which due split and/or severely dissociate should be diagnosed with c-PTSD.

I'd say BPD is on the "post-traumatic stress" spectrum, mainly since people with BPD have the same "psychological injury" that people with (C-)PTSD do (The amygdala, hippocampus, prefrontal cortex, and more are all affected, just like in (C-)PTSD). There is large overlap between C-PTSD and BPD, but BPD is "a step further", they're not the same. People with BPD often meet the criteria for (C-)PTSD, but not the other way around, much like people with C-PTSD often meet the criteria for PTSD, but not the other way around.
I'd say people who are diagnosed with BPD but don't have trauma most likely don't have BPD but are misdiagnosed with something else, like I said above, for the women it's most likely PMDD, which is quite an "under the radar" type illness (much like most female issues: PCOS, Endometriosis, debilitating dysmenorrhea, etc) with similar symtoms as BPD, mainly the rage and emotional issues.

Honestly, DM me for a conversation about this because I think this is a bit derailing of the thread (please do tell me if I'm wrong and you guys are actually interested in this, though)


EDIT: I will compile a short list of criterion for PMDD that significantly overlap with BPD to give you an idea of what I mean.

Spoiler: That edit i referenced

First the PMDD symptoms and then the BPD symptoms they overlap with.
1. Marked lability (e.g., mood swings, feeling suddenly sad or tearful, or increased sensitivity to rejection)
Overlaps with: Intense or uncontrollable emotional reactions that often seem disproportionate to the event or situation (1), distorted self-image (often characterised by very low self esteem) (2)

2. Marked irritability or anger or increased interpersonal conflicts
Overlaps with: Frequently anger, [...] or rage, (3) unstable and chaotic interpersonal relationships (4)

3. Marked depressed mood, feelings of hopelessness, or self-deprecating thoughts
Overlaps with: Frequently accompanied by depression (3), distorted self-image (often characterised by very low self esteem) (2)

4. Marked anxiety and tension
Overlaps with: Frequently accompanied by anxiety (3)

5. Decreased interest in usual activities, difficulty in concentration, lethargy and marked lack of energy
Overlaps with: chronic feelings of emptiness (5)

6. Feeling overwhelmed or out of control
Overlaps with: dissociative rage or uncontrollable "acting out" episodes (6), impulsivity (7)

(7. Subjective difficulty in concentration
Overlaps with: "The often intense emotions people with BPD experience can make it difficult for them to concentrate." (8 ) )

You can see some of these as being a stretch; nonetheless, at least 5 criterion of BPD have significant overlap with PMDD. I wish more was known about PMDD, because these people obviously deserve to be taken care of just as much as anyone else does.

I think you’ve got terminology mixed up. Splitting when it comes to BPD refers to the black and white mindset. Like if someone the BPD person loves and adores does something that upsets them, the person would see their loved one as 100% bad/mean and would hate them. Then when that loved one makes it up to the BPD person, they would see them as pure and good and love them wholeheartedly again.

IDK how you got to the conclusion that I got terminology mixed up. I know exactly that splitting in BPD refers to that, and it's often due to trauma.

 

[Lieileen]

Are you saying you disagree that diagnosed cases of bpd (~20%) that have no evidence of trauma or abuse are bpd?

I think that this is where it can get muddled and I’m not sure if it’s chicken or egg.

Spoiler

I read bits of treatment workbook for those 4 PDs a couple of months back and it almost takes the stance of trying to tick the boxes for having a Cluster B PD in general first, before differentiating.

BPD seems to be the one which almost borrows from the other 3 and thus seems to almost have a lower diagnostic threshold for some of the key symptoms.

Again, this is purely ass-talk but I reckon a lot of BPD diagnoses are made instead of the other PDs because it’s easier.
This is warm air being expelled from my ass would seem to be confirmed by the treatment path being offered by my local Health Service.

They have a Personality Disorder unit which literally only deals with BPD, at least in name anyway.
The current treatment on offer is an intensive course of Mentalization Based Therapy and from what I know, it’s packed full of people who have or should have co-morbid PD diagnoses but are all getting treatment under the umbrella of BPD.

I’m not sure what mad man thought putting BPD, NPD and HPD sufferers in the same room for patient-led group therapy was a good idea but it sounds wild.

Anyway, my point was that maybe some of the 20% are crossover diagnoses from other PDs. Maybe not.

 

[comrade666]

Honestly, DM me for a conversation about this because I think this is a bit derailing of the thread (please do tell me if I'm wrong and you guys are actually interested in this, though)

Yeah, I'd agree this isn't necessarily relevant. I've been skimming over and it doesn't contribute much, interesting or not.

 

[heavycream]

If anyone’s interested, I could go throuh my book on BPD and send them relevant sections

I don't think us speculating and arm-chair psychologist-ing about Chloe's diagnosis this much (and at this point we're not even talking about her) is going to make this thread be taken seriously. We don't want to appear as though we're stooping to her level.

 

[heterotic]

I think you’ve got terminology mixed up. Splitting when it comes to BPD refers to the black and white mindset.

I shared in the thread earlier that splitting is formed in almost exactly the same way that dissociative states of consciousness are. I believe I linked to some docs, but if I didn't, and you can't find any, I'd be happy to collate the research and share it with you.

Spoiler: Repetition from earlier

Splitting develops when a child cannot integrate external states (the "sides" of people, good or bad, for example)
Dissociative statesof consciousness develop when a child cannot integrate internal states (the "sides" of themselves)

Anyway, my point was that maybe some of the 20% are crossover diagnoses from other PDs. Maybe not.

Definitely a possibility, but not currently how it's being treated by clinicians in general.

Honestly, DM me for a conversation about this because I think this is a bit derailing of the thread (please do tell me if I'm wrong and you guys are actually interested in this, though)

Already there and agree

 

[CumSnot]

Grandads Lounge posted a video earlier today criticizing Nan's sneezing fetish and its inclusion of children and compiled some comments back and forth between Nan and others.

Spoiler: Here's a reassuring stance from a former fan.

Mitsuki Shiro
I’m so sad. I followed Dissociadid and team pinata because I suspect I have DID (in therapy for 5 years now). I didn’t know about those drawings. I find it so disgusting and I immediately blocked them. Also if they have DID, it’s so horrible to do that to your younger alters. I’m so disappointed and disgusted I’m gonna cry. I also blocked Dissociadid too, but I think if she returns and wants to gain people respect again she should talk about this issue. Because if she doesn’t, she’s just accepting that horrible behavior.

 

[Gramh]

To get us back into the spirit of Kiwifarms I offer this: Chloe is a bitch nigger, and Nan is a disgusting pedo troon faggot. Discus.

 

[DCMediaSped]

How predatory that these two phonies are taking money from lost teenagers who either are mentally ill or wish they were. Imagine pretending to be so mentally fragile that Trisha Paytas caused you to 'fracture' again, and saying you've tried to commit suicide to scare the hordes of teenagers who believe this shit. It really just goes beyond. And I know it's been said but these two are terrible actors. People who supposedly have DID barely know themselves they have it or what is is, let alone have complete looks ready to go for their 22 personalities.

 

[yourdadscumdumpster]

Spoiler: Here's a reassuring stance from a former fan.

Mitsuki Shiro
I’m so sad. I followed Dissociadid and team pinata because I suspect I have DID (in therapy for 5 years now). I didn’t know about those drawings. I find it so disgusting and I immediately blocked them. Also if they have DID, it’s so horrible to do that to your younger alters. I’m so disappointed and disgusted I’m gonna cry. I also blocked Dissociadid too, but I think if she returns and wants to gain people respect again she should talk about this issue. Because if she doesn’t, she’s just accepting that horrible behavior.

Is this actually that reassuring? This exceptional individual (who likely thinks one or more members of BTS are their alters) has little to no credibility, given their own obvious issues.

 

[rot]

Recently thought about something; if "different parts of the brain light up" per fronting alter, wouldn't an alter just have 1 purpose and nothing more? I don't know if what I'm trying to say makes sense, but if an alter is essentially "one part of the brain being active", then they wouldn't be a complete person, or an individual, they would be (like many actual professionals say, contrary to what malingerers think) a fragment of one personality.


Also something that marks a difference between Chloe actually having HPD vs BPD isn't something we'll ever know for sure until she gets diagnosed, simply because we can't peer into her mind; while people with HPD often make a scene and dramatize, they experience shallow emotions. People with BPD make a scene, but they are actually having intense emotions that cause them to behave that way.

 

[Lurk]

Grandads Lounge posted a video earlier today criticizing Nan's sneezing fetish and its inclusion of children and compiled some comments back and forth between Nan and others.

I lose it every time this guy refers to Nan as "he", he seems to genuinely be unaware that she's female. There really is something extra specially unnerving about female nonces. Edit: Fuck, I should have watched the whole video before commenting since he later corrects himself

Pleasantly surprised the grandads lounge guy hasn't caved to Chloe's manipulation, I was sure he'd be the type to do so. Nice to see him stand by his views. He really needs to stop the horrendous a-logging though, jesus

 

[comrade666]

To get us back into the spirit of Kiwifarms I offer this: Chloe is a bitch nigga, and Nan is a disgusting pedo troon faggot. Discus.

Great contribution but you're missing rctarded and quite literally brain damaged which I personally find peak amusing. The fact that her brain damage comes from a cycling accident is truly exceptional. On the subject of trannies though, Nan's oddly masculine claymation face makes her one of the more subtle. Regardless, she's objectively disgusting and no amount of make up or femme clothes fixes that. Case in point:

Pleasantly surprised the grandads lounge guy hasn't caved to Chloe's manipulation, I was sure he'd be the type to do so. Nice to see him stand by his views. He really needs to stop the horrendous a-logging though, jesus

I definitely saw him backtracking and apologising the moment the WKs landed but I'm quite impressed he stood his ground. His videos are too spergy for me to sit through in full as he loves to remind everyone he's a bisexual bipolar autist failed abortion every five minutes but to his credit he's set events in motion for Chloe and Nan.

 

[heterotic]

I lose it every time this guy refers to Nan as "he", he seems to genuinely be unaware that she's female. There really is something extra specially unnerving about female nonces. Edit: Fuck, I should have watched the whole video before commenting since he later corrects himself

Pleasantly surprised the grandads lounge guy hasn't caved to Chloe's manipulation, I was sure he'd be the type to do so. Nice to see him stand by his views. He really needs to stop the horrendous a-logging though, jesus

Eh, he validates a lot of DID YouTubers in his comments who are clearly just as fake as Chloe. He seems like he dislikes Chloe because of the situation with Trisha, and stumbled upon a real issue with predatory behavior.

I'm just happy he seems to be what has tipped the scales in terms of the rather disturbing CP implications of Nan's content.

Nan's oddly masculine claymation face makes her one of the more subtle. Regardless, she's objectively disgusting and no amount of make up or femme clothes fixes that.

I would sooner believe that Nan was trying to transition to female than the other way around. I'm still not fully convinced that's a biological woman tbh

His videos are too spergy for me to sit through in full

The one he has as his intro video or whatever is just

the worst

Recently thought about something; if "different parts of the brain light up" per fronting alter, wouldn't an alter just have 1 purpose and nothing more? I don't know if what I'm trying to say makes sense, but if an alter is essentially "one part of the brain being active", then they wouldn't be a complete person, or an individual, they would be (like many actual professionals say, contrary to what malingerers think) a fragment of one personality.

In a lot of the criticism of that interpretation, clinicians have said that there wasn't anything out of the ordinary for what was lighting up during the switches, they said that they are regions responsible for a lot of the facial expressions and behaviors people have while they are "switching" and that it doesn't prove anything. I remember specifically reading that one of the regions was indicative that the patient was furrowing their brow lol

 

[Gramh]

I lose it every time this guy refers to Nan as "he", he seems to genuinely be unaware that she's female. There really is something extra specially

Nan is one of those idiots that tries to prop up Nonbinary as a legitimate gender. I found an article that someone wrote about Nan and Chloe's relationship in the context of Nan's Nonbinary bullshit: https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/issues-faced-by-non-binary-people-1-6416807.

 

[Grey-ish]

When I first saw Nan I thought she was a failed FtM like Milo Stewart who took some testosterone but then nope'd the fuck out and is now just occupying this weird inbetween (I think they call it non-binary). Another theory I have it that she is intersex and has XXY chromosomes or some variation. Or..occam's razor...shes just a very ugly girl.

 

[comrade666]

When I first saw Nan I thought she was a failed FtM like Milo Stewart who took some testosterone but then nope'd the fuck out and is now just occupying this weird inbetween (I think they call it non-binary). Another theory I have it that she is intersex and has XXY chromosomes or some variation. Or..occam's razor...shes just a very ugly girl.

She identifies as non-binary but you really have cracked the case. That's just one ugly girl. I wouldn't be surprised if she had taken testosterone as a little experiment for a few months because her voice is at that weird nasal stage and her hair is quite thick. Might just be a Mexican thing though.

 

[Lurk]

Eh, he validates a lot of DID YouTubers in his comments who are clearly just as fake as Chloe.

Yeah I was just looking through the comments on the video and he definitely panders to these munchies far too much.

I would sooner believe that Nan was trying to transition to female than the other way around. I'm still not fully convinced that's a biological woman tbh

Whilst watching the grandad's lounge video, it got to the clip of Nan's sneezing video and my boyfriend asked me why on earth I was watching a video of someone sneezing. When I explained this woman has a sneezing fetish (lul) he exclaimed, "That's not a woman, I refuse to believe it" He was also disgusted with the fetish and also with me for watching it oh well

 

[comrade666]

Had a quick look at Fragmented Psyche's social media and it (she?) has been absolutely silent throughout this. DID Mom is having her own little breakdown seemingly unrelated to Chloe and Nan. She says that the 'littles' in her head won't stop crying. How exactly is this woman raising real children? Is she raising real children? Do they even exist?

She also has a series of videos on her Tik Tok of her dressed up as an elf getting physically assaulted. So that's kind of fucking weird.

ETA- She definitely does have children. You can hear them calling for her in the back of videos. She also seems to be hinting that she's gotten into a relationship with Fragmented Psyche who also has a son. They're both too busy dressing up as babies on the internet and flirting with each other to parent.

 

[Cyber Goose]

I really believe that Nan is actually quite mentally ill and Chloe is using her for attention/clicks/trying to legitimize her own faux mental illness.

 

[DissociaDONT]

Had a quick look at Fragmented Psyche's social media and it (she?) has been absolutely silent throughout this.

Sadly, it looks like the pandemic claimed her just in time for the drama.