Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Jewthulhu]

I disagree as Chloe has never been socialized as a boy. That’s not how gender presentation works, even if you have a male alter in your head. Trans people have to learn the little movements that are “unique” to the gender they believe to be as they’ve been socialized as the wrong gender their whole life.

however, I have already pointed out that both Chloe and Sally have said “bless me” in separate videos after sneezing on camera (oh god please don’t make me look these up I can’t handle sneezing after all this trauma Nan has caused me)

If learned things like gender presentation persists among alters, how come each alter has a different accent?

 

[AmbiTron]

If learned things like gender presentation persists among alters, how come each alter has a different accent?

And a different race, and different height, weight, background, skills etc. Really gives ya a big think.

 

[DCMediaSped]

lmao ok
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I've been browsing Twitter and it's laughable how people are still bashing Trisha Paytas for all of this. She's an easy tard target, but she barely said a damn thing about Chloe. They think it's wrong Trisha "caused" Chloe's "suicide attempt" but it's fine and dandy to call for Trisha's death and for her to be put down like a dog. My god, the hypocrisy has no bounds.

I think Trisha is a moron but the white knighting for Chloe by the teens is getting embarrassing. What did Trisha do that was SO damaging that it would cause her psyche to fracture yet again, and then 'make' her to commit suicide? She certainly is a delicate little flower. This is just a tantrum by Chloe so no one every DARE question her again. I think the Pinata person posted some nonsense on her community tab about putting some videos up, bust keeping comments disabled. Looks like a lot of attempts to gaslight their adoring audience.

 

[pd2jzutg2]

If learned things like gender presentation persists among alters, how come each alter has a different accent?

I can understand kyle’s accent if she had trauma in whatever area that accent is trying imitate, but yeah can’t understand the Indian accent and other things removed from British accents. I believe it has already been stated here and linked to that it is possible to have accent changes, but I’m sure by that the professionals mean SUBTLE accent changes

 

[heavycream]

I believe it has already been stated here and linked to that it is possible to have accent changes, but I’m sure by that the professionals mean SUBTLE accent changes

It's not, really. The idea that one person can change from their native accent to another real accent isn't correct.
What exists is "Foreign Accent Syndrome" (FAS), a neurological disorder as a consequence of brain injury to the left hemisphere's language network. Particularly, regions responsible for mapping speech sounds to motor articulation programs, like the inferior frontal gyrus.

Example:

However, this is not a REAL accent. It's not as though someone has gone from having, say, a British accent to a Chinese accent. The illusion of a foreign accent is because of a motor articulation difficulty that changes the way the vocal tract forms phonemes, it is not the emulation of an existing tongue.

There have also been cases where brain damage has facilitated the learning of foreign languages/accents, but only in people who already began to learn them (e.g. one Australian patient, already learning Mandarin, had a TBI and then managed to pick up the language in a few days.)

So no, it's not possible to have a brain injury or a psychiatric condition that gives you another culture's accent - it's intentional or something someone is doing as a consequence of psychotic delusions.

 

[heterotic]

...

Please assume you're not the only one. You don't need to powerlevel and TMI here. You could have just said this:

CSA and trauma does not make you delusional to what porn and fetishes are. It doesn't make you fucking exceptional to what words means.

Some of those images were extremely graphic and disturbing and so mindblowingly obvious that they were intended for what Nan had labelled them as. You wouldn't intentionally label rice in your cabniet as pasta. Stop bullshitting.

Traumatized individuals want to move forward with their life, not be given attention and be reminded daily of their shitty lives and relish in it.

These idiots glorify abuse and mental health issues and the potential attention that can be obtained by saying you experienced one or the other. The target audience of this is perfect because who craves that attention more than tweens looking for a way to stand out?

and we would all agree.

This is a particularly heinous thing to lie about, so understandably, some people here are affected personally. It doesn't make the people who aren't less validated in expressing their disgust and concern. Stay anonymous.

To the poster who looked into why girls mess with their hair. Interestingly, as a girl, most of the time we don't realize were even doing it. However, we also do it to make sure it looks alright and just to kind of readjust it at times. My guess is it's a slip up that she's totally unaware that she is even doing so frequently.

As much as I appreciate my anonymity-keeping skills have propelled me into a genderless void, I was looking for the underlying neurological reasoning, and this may be a shock to you, but you are not the first female to join kiwi farms.

The manga doesn't clearly state Nadia's race. Part of the plot does center around her having a blue necklace and she wears a lot of jewelry. Also is into some spiritual stuff and is vegetarian.
My guess is she started off as the character and decided add on. There's not a lot of mangas with what could be native american characters that are named Nadia.

iirc, there is an episode where they return to her native land and they refer to them as "native islanders" or something similar and she has a much darker skin tone than the others, so I could see how Chloe could superimpose "native american" onto the image of Nadia.

I believe it has already been stated here and linked to that it is possible to have accent changes, but I’m sure by that the professionals mean SUBTLE accent changes

Changes in someone's voice (and handwriting) in DID has been reported by clinicians to be consistent with typical changes in mood.

Also in case it needs to be said: No one has otherkin alters or aliens.

Fun fact, some fakers have families with other faker systems and supposed even little faker children who live in their brains.

And of course, no one can argue this isn't real because unless you have this, you don't know!!

When these trump cards are combined it is enough to sway SJWs into supporting Chloe over POC. Because we're forgetting that the majority of SJWs are white girls trying to prove a point. Often, their activism is teenage rebellion and at heart they don't really care about the marginalised groups they use to feel better about themselves.
Chloe gets away with pretending to be Native American, Indian, ambiguously black, and an unspecified type of Asian, and will continue to get away with this. No one bats an eye because she's allowed to be racist if she's fucking coping ok?‽!1?1?

By extension, Nan is allowed to be a pedophile because she is within Chloe's orbit and now has a following. By supporting Nan vocally, these idiots have a better chance of being acknowledged and validated. SJWs ultimately just want to be the most accepting the most woke the most open minded but more importantly the coolest and the most on trend and the closest to the popular kids. Pretty influencer trauma girl is cooler than some natives.

bUt TrIsHaAaAaAaAa

 

[NoWords]

You don't need to powerlevel and TMI he

I have edited this original post to remove any TMI.

 

[comrade666]

Example:

However, this is not a REAL accent. It's not as though someone has gone from having, say, a British accent to a Chinese accent. The illusion of a foreign accent is because of a motor articulation difficulty that changes the way the vocal tract forms phonemes, it is not the emulation of an existing tongue.

Interesting example but could that blond host be any less enthused about her job? She looks like she hates everyone in that room. Anyway, I wonder if Nan's Canadian accent came around after her brain damage or if she's just naturally that retarded.

 

[NoWords]

If learned things like gender presentation persists among alters, how come each alter has a different accent?

The idea that you can't call them out on inconsistencies such as body language, behaviors or even terrible accents is so annoying because they can ALWAYS fall back on the "co-con" excuse and everyone who is retarded enough to follow them on social media will believe it. How very convenient.

 

[DissociaDONT]

For me, the shared similarities in the way these people's DID presents is the biggest red flag. It verges into spiritual soul bonding with clear-cut alter roles (primary protector, persecutor, ect.) and inner worlds.

The inner worlds especially are treated like they're just part of the disorder, like when DID forms in the mind of a child, they are suddenly gifted with an inner world like the heroine in a YA novel. It's the set, seemingly pre-existing place where alters can romp and frolic and still exist while they're not fronting.

I'm a big fan of daydreaming and meditation. God knows I've built more than a few "inner worlds" over my lifetime. But it's imaginary. At worst, it's maladaptive daydreaming. The community at large treats these inner worlds like they're fixed and real otherworldly places, more in line with metaphysics than an actual, recognized symptom of their purported mental illness. It's something that would be right at home with spirit bonding, kin, ect.

It also really supports the idea that this shit is iatrogenic and sociocultural. This is the brand of DID suggestible folks looking for a community are seeing right now, so it's the kind that they have. Which has been the case since the origins of the diagnosis.

Ugh. I've read so many articles about DID over the last couple of weeks. I can't find the one that I'm looking for, but this one is close enough.

Inevitably shitty formatting in the relevant excerpt below that I'm not going to take the time to space out properly. I recommend the full article anyway. It's not very long... Assuming most of you haven't read it already. I know a lot of us have been hate-reading scholarly articles and studies lately.

At the end of the 19th century, French psychiatrist Janet (1924)coined the term dissociation, describing a state of mind in which parts of the personality are separated into inaccessible compart-ments. American psychologist Prince (1906) popularized the conceptby describing a clinical case associated with multiple personalities.Fifty years later, two American psychiatrists, Thigpen and Cleckley(1954), described a simil ar case, which later turned into a book and a Hollywood movie, The Three Faces of Eve. However, although the idea of multiple personality was dramatic, it did not initially triggeran epidemic of diagnosis. That only happened after the publication ofanother best-selling book (also made into a movie), Sibyl (Schreiber,1973), describing a patient with multiple personalities who also re-ported severe child abuse. Although the diagnosis of multiple personality was long con-sidered rare, some authors now claimed that cases are quite commonin clinical settings, albeit undiagnosed, and that community preva-lence could be as high as 1%, which is the same as that of schizo-phrenia (Ross, 1991). At around the same time,DSM-IV (AmericanPsychiatric Association, 1994) gave the condition a more descriptiveand less dramatic name, dissociative identity disorder (DID). Thenumber of articles on MEDLINE concerning multiple personality orDID increased during several decades: 39, between 1970 and 1979;two hundred twelve, between 1980 and 1989; three hundred ninety-one, between 1990 and 1999; but leveling off to 179, between 2000and 2009. Even so, critics state that they had never seen a case andthat DID is an artifact of suggestive therapy techniques (Piper andMerskey, 2004a). Thus, the symptoms of DID were shaped by whattherapists believed and what patients were willing to provide.Although no formal surveys of diagnostic practices werepublished, most observers in the 1980s and the 1990s were impressedby a high frequency of identification of a disorder that was onceuncommon (McHugh, 2008 ). However, most clinical and researchreports about this clinical picture have come from a small number ofcenters, mostly in the United States, that specialize in dissociativedisorders. Many of these settings offer extended and costly inpatienttreatment and claim to reintegrate the various ‘‘alters’’ into whichpersonality had fragmented (Putnam, 1989). However, none of theseresearchers have published randomized controlled trials of theirtreatment methods for DID.However, there was a more profound reason for the diagnos-tic epidemic. The increases in diagnosis in the 1980s and the 1990swere associated with a theory that the etiology of the condition wasrooted in child abuse (Kluft, 1985). Although this causal link hasbeen challenged, DID offered a drama of trauma, followed by re-demption through psychotherapy.Whatever controversies are attached to DID, dissociation, inthe form of memory lapses and depersonalization, is a commonphenomenon, and the categories included inDSM-IV-TR (American Psychiatric Association, 2000) also describe a number of less con-troversial syndromes. For example, most people have the experience,when driving long distances, of being unable to remember how theygot from one point to another. Some people experience transientfeelings of unreality under stress. Trance states are important fortranscultural psychiatry (Spiegel, 1994). However, dissociative symp-toms do not necessarily constitute a disorder. Moreover, as pointedout by researchers of dissociation (Kihlstrom, 2005; Lynn et al., 2012),the idea that personality can split into alters that take on an indepen-dent existence is unproven and is generally inconsistent with researchin cognitive psychology.

 

[NoWords]

The inner worlds especially are treated like they're just part of the disorder, like when DID forms in the mind of a child, they are suddenly gifted with an inner world like the heroine in a YA novel.

I have paid extra attention to this. A simple stroll through their instagram followers (others who claim to also have DID) will show an insane amount of people who are using Skyrim scenery and other video game worlds to represent their inner world. I truly think a lot of them are just using it to become some of the mythical/fantasy creatures and lands that they are simply interested in. Maybe I'm wrong there, but it sure seems that way.

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

If learned things like gender presentation persists among alters, how come each alter has a different accent?

Probably because the subtleties of an accent people assume are too hard to fake. MultiplicityAndMe for example has her American alter Jake with an impeccable accent. I can see easily how if as a child she wished so badly to be some movie star she idolized this would form. An accent makes it seem like she couldn't possibly be lying. That's just too hard to fake! It's not like their are online videos and resources to learn how. Even then, Chloe's accents are so bad because she was too impatient to actually learn them. The allure of LARPing was too strong.

 

[heterotic]

The idea that you can't call them out on inconsistencies such as body language, behaviors or even terrible accents is so annoying because they can ALWAYS fall back on the "co-con" excuse and everyone who is exceptional enough to follow them on social media will believe it. How very convenient.

This is the one thing I don't quite understand. If fragments of identities exist in different states of consciousness, the amnesia is fully necessary for the disorder to exist at all. To be "co-conscious" is fully-damning the previous requirement, meaning they are, in short, revealing that they are faking. It seems like there is a supreme misunderstanding of the difference between levels of consciousness (the coma to fully awake scale, in which you can be in a state in which you are between waking and sleeping, thus both aware of a dream and reality), and states of consciousness.

I'm getting to a point where I think all of the actual cases of DID are recognized as Dissociative Amnesia and DID as people present it is always faked or suggested delusion. I cannot find a single public-facing person with supposed DID that doesn't have these "alters".

I did some reading from the research of Richard J. McNally (PsyD, Harvard), who has specialized in anxiety and trauma disorders, and he has done extensive research studies on dissociation and amnesia in patients with disorders like DID. One of his studies showed that not a single subject with DID actually had full amnesia, not because their instantaneous responses showed familiarity with the words they were shown that were actually from periods of time when they supposedly had full amnesia, but because after a period of lag, they realized they weren't supposed to be familiar with the word, and changed their answer.

Neuroscientific research has shown that memory itself is multi-dimensional, so while McNally's research has led him to believe it's not possible to dissociate memories at all, neuroscience doesn't agree. Being familiar with a word doesn't imply that you have autonoetic memories of the subject matter. Neuroscientists have captured difference waves between autonoetic recall, noetic recall, full unfamiliarity, and false recall. It's the fact that the patients realized that they weren't supposed to be familiar with the word and changed their answer that is interesting.

In other news, DID Mom whips her kids out on camera (on the same account she uses to promote her Only Fans... on the same account she uses to dress up as a baby...) to prove she isn't neglectful despite leaving them to care for themselves while she cries in bed all day. Rivkah Lundy is a piece of shit, change my mind. She even tagged this video of her kids with Only Fans. Keep your kids out of adult tags, rctard.

The fact that she doesn't understand that neglect can exist even when you buy your kids a bunch of toys to distract themselves while you roleplay on discord and onlyfans all day is truly pathetic. It's about a lack of presence, and the concept of negligence is the harm caused by neglect. A lack of harm is not a lack of neglect. (in bold so you see it, Rivkah, since we know you're reading this). Parading your kids on social media as proof nothing happened to them while you were neglecting them is just another example of carelessness.

I've only had time to read around the first 5 and last 5 pages of this thread so apologies if this has been addressed already - but where does she get the 1-2% figure [or whatever the fuck stat] of people having this disorder? I really want to know. She says tens of millions of people on earth have this disorder and I have trouble believing that.

The figure is from the ISSTD and PODS UK pushes that it's even higher than that. This is not accepted at all by general mental health academia and practice. The DSM-5 reports the prevalence of DID as 1.5% from the APA as of 2013, but it is again, commonly reported by the general psychiatric community that most of these cases are from just a few practices world-wide.

Researchers have started administering the the DES assessment to patients with other disorders or illnesses (like ADHD and Bipolar Disorder) and discovering that they also have scores well over 30, and is likely that most, if not all, of the DID cases discovered are misdiagnoses of other disorders.

I've met one person with DID and you simply can't tell unless they let you in. The most obvious symptom is amnesia which this girl doesn't seem to have based on the plethora of videos where she switches and carries on as if the alters know what's going on.

I'm curious, does this person you know claim to have alters or switches at all? How do they distinguish that they have DID and not Dissociative Amnesia?

 

[NoWords]

If fragments of identities exist in different states of consciousness, the amnesia is fully necessary for the disorder to exist at all.

And this is where they will use the excuse of being in full communication and comfort with their alters. Because they are so open and so connected with each alter, this amnesia doesn't fully exist. They have a reason and excuse for everything it seems.

Chloe suggests that it's so hard to live with DID and it's hard to live life because when she goes out, she switches. Yet, at the same time, she appears to have complete control over most of it, especially when the audience wants to talk with a certain alter. If the switches are uncontrollable and she literally has people pay to talk to "Kyle", how can she ensure that Kyle will be present and on schedule for that chat session each and every time? Seems like total bull.

 

[DissociaDONT]

I did some reading from the research of Richard J. McNally (PsyD, Harvard), who has specialized in anxiety and trauma disorders, and he has done extensive research studies on dissociation and amnesia in patients with disorders like DID. One of his studies showed that not a single subject with DID actually had full amnesia, not because their instantaneous responses showed familiarity with the words they were shown that were actually from periods of time when they supposedly had full amnesia, but because after a period of lag, they realized they weren't supposed to be familiar with the word, and changed their answer.

Nothing to add, but wanted to link to one of his studies in case someone wanted to look over it themselves.

ETA:
Chloe has also done her own research into the subject.

 

[Speakeasy Electric]

If Chloe has had an eating disorder that would match up with most if not all of the Munchies on the Munchie board, For whatever reason, instead of being radicalized by the pro ana goddess or whatever ala the 90's and early 2000's, a lot of young woman with eating disorders in this generation have turned to faking illnesses.

 

[heterotic]

Chloe has also done her own research into the subject.

Jesus christ, research is showing you may be able to learn song lyrics in your sleep, but okay, Chloe.

And this is where they will use the excuse of being in full communication and comfort with their alters. Because they are so open and so connected with each alter, this amnesia doesn't fully exist. They have a reason and excuse for everything it seems.

I get that they say this, but I meant neurologically speaking, the amnesia is a requirement for the disorder to exist. The entire theory of DID currently is that the brain doesn't fully integrate states of consciousness in early childhood and as a result uses dissociative states to store memories and, because of the lack of proper development, fragments of a whole identity are also stored with those memories. If there's no amnesia, this means that there was no alternate state of consciousness, and thus, there's no fragment.

For whatever reason, instead of being radicalized by the pro ana goddess or whatever ala the 90's and early 2000's, a lot of young woman with eating disorders in this generation have turned to faking illnesses.

A lot them were also faking the eating disorders so this isn't much of a jump. Those forums/groups were mainly full of girls posting that they'd fucked up and felt disgusting for eating or were being forced to eat dinner with their families and shit. They wanted to be anorexic, but they just weren't. It was really fucking bizarre.

 

[Carlos the Scientist]

ETA:
Chloe has also done her own research into the subject.

They both look into the upper-right distance as an exaggerated 'thinking' pose. Yet another mannerism that doesn't at all differ between Chloe and Kyle.

 

[Shrryph1]

Jesus christ, research is showing you may be able to learn song lyrics in your sleep, but okay, Chloe.

Fuck Covid, I swear TikTok is the real threat to humanity as we know it.

 

[Cooking Mama]

Thought I’d check twitter before I caught up with the thread and


Damn I wish you guys would have told me I always miss out on the fun.