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The police stopped me on my weekly grocery run yesterday for playing the car stereo too loudly and singing whilst stopped at a traffic light. I was sent on my way with advice to “be respectful of other road users’ peace and quiet”

Mate, if you only got to leave the house once every ten days, you would be a little demob-happy yourself...
This 'pandemic' has really brought out the bootlickers in society. This "any cost for the sake of safety" shit is going way too far to embolden those who crave for a power trip.
 
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In a rare moment of corporations being kind, billionaire entrepreneur Manny Pangilian (owns banks, tv stations, mining companies, power companies, telcom companies, water distribution companies) has announced that there will be no job loss as their priority will be cash flow circulation instead of profits.
 
Could any Medico/Science Kiwis explain some things?

I tried Google and I'm either particularly re.tar.ded or it's something that's not asked a lot outside of academic settings.

Are strains the same as serotypes? And is this the same thing as mutations?

I'm reading about the problems with the dengue vaccine (the four serotypes?) and trying to wrap my head around antibody dependant enhancement.

Our wonderful Otter Primarch already gave you a thorough explanation. But here's the tl;dr for dunces:

-genotype is what the DNA says something should be biologically.

-fenotype is what it actually is. Because despite what genetic determinists say, they are in fact idiots.

-mutation is a change in genotype.

-strain is a buncha viri with the same genotype.

-serotype is a change on the external fenotype of the virus.

Reason this matters: most mutations don't actually change fenotype. They can be detected and that's cool for science but the actual virus is the same. Serotypes however aren't the same to one another so when viri change that is when you gotta really start freaking the fuck out.

I wandered over to reddit earlier. Mistake. Posts and replies are either nutters saying it's all a hoax to cover for 5G or they're Perfect Citizens following every rule to the letter (by their own admission) wanting to call the gestapo because they spied an extra roll of toilet paper in their neighbors' garage. wtf.

Reddit can be useful for like table games or mods or shit like that. But it's antithetical to actual discourse, go there to know a game's cheats or someone's strategy for being the most efficient mass murderer in mount and blade. Don't go for anything else. It's not worth it.

See this is why I hate all the sperging about the Jooze, why do you need to blame them for everything when you have people like this who actually deserve un-ending hatred.

Are you sure redditors aren't joozes?

Government overreach.
Here in Britain, the police have been threatening to go through people’s trolleys for non essential items. Priti Patel has rightly told them to fuck off with that. It has brought out the worst of the petty local police tyrants thoigh and I think people’s opinion of the police can be damaged further by this, on top of years of thought policing , Twitter monitoring and tranny-pandering at the expense of you know, catching actual bad guys. Brits don’t like being told what to do, and lockdown will work until people are sick of it, which will not be long. The NHS campaign and stepwise introduction along with death rate reporting is designed to make people want lockdown.

I find it interesting that sweden isn’t putting strict lockdowns in place. The reasons seem to be twofold. 1. The demographics and population spread don’t support it and 2. It interferes with the freedoms of the individual in a way that’s unacceptable.

sweden gets a bad press on here and I can understand why, but they’re a funny mix of government control and respect for the individuals rights in a way that I didn’t truly understand until I’d lived there a few years back in the day. The concept is supposed to be statist individualism, a compact between the individual and the state that reduces the dependence of the individual on the state and the ability of the state to dictate to the individual.
There’s a lot of criticism of it (have you seen ‘ the Swedish theory of love’ ?) and the state still does poke into life way, way too much but the psyche of sweden is more complicated than I think is shown in the press.
It’s kind of heartening that at least one country is outright saying that the degree of citizen control needed for total lockdown is antithetical to human rights. And amusing that country is sweden, who h regularly gets slammed for being a bunch of commies

It keeps amazing me just how bad police get outside of spain. We've got one or two looneys here and our cops sometimes have gotten shite, specially under rajoi, as everything else, and people're still on the mindset of the cops being evil. Or at least they were before the virus. But they haven't stopped doing their job, they've been helping local initiatives and even starting a few. And they sure as shit haven't policed what we fucking buy. Meanwhile it seems outside of spain you either got the brit and german cops going full gestapo or the american and french just disappearing never to be seen again like a buncha fucking cowards. I hope the rest of europe is at least at our level if not better. The polish and hungarian kiwis please clarify how it's been around there. 'Cause as much as this makes me see our cops in a more positive light it also makes me weep for the state of humanity as a whole. Cops are in charge of ensuring discipline, if they have no discipline themselves they suck at their fucking job. This is honestly incredible to me.

EDIT: forgot the morning update. Nothing's changed really. I'm fairly sure reason politicians started sending people back to work on a saturday is 'cause most don't work on weekends so that's probably why no spike came. That was clever of them actually, it makes this weekend a good test. Tomorrow's monday so that'll be the real wave. We'll see how it goes.
 
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that is very worrying. His wranglers need a stern debriefing

Nah, now he's out of the woods, this is the right time to reveal how bad it was and that he'll be away from our screens and briefings for a few more weeks yet.

It's actually pretty damn good if you look at it purely on a propaganda point of view. BoJo was so busy trying to steer Britannia through these choppy waters he damn near killed himself in the process. It raises his mythos a little more, endears him to the public a bit more.

You really can't get a more "all in this, and this is a cruel war" than if the PM nearly ups and dies on you in the process.
 
As predicted, ‘he is risen’ headlines. come on, own up, whos the dail mail hack. :D


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Next stop, discharged next week, thumbs up photo op with pretty young nurses and a serious handshake of the docs who saved him. Lifetime immunity for him to be criticised on his handling of the NHS because he will be able to say honestly that they saved his life and have a special place in his heart.
Honestly, people have underestimated Boris for years. The media treating him as a Buffoon when he’s nothing of the sort. It’s fascinating how he is of the establishment and yet often works against agendas.

Interesting basic modelling from ICL - can’t be archived because it’s a daily change thing.

It begs the question - what happens after lockdown?
 
Kazakh update: something funny idk
In Nur-Sultan, public transport, restaurants and other public places won't be working until the end of April.
Some journalist scum got detained in Atyirau.
An asshole in my city is getting punished for talking shit about the medics.
General update: 897 cases, 86 recoveries, 10 deaths.
 
Next stop, discharged next week, thumbs up photo op with pretty young nurses and a serious handshake of the docs who saved him. Lifetime immunity for him to be criticised on his handling of the NHS because he will be able to say honestly that they saved his life and have a special place in his heart.
Honestly, people have underestimated Boris for years. The media treating him as a Buffoon when he’s nothing of the sort. It’s fascinating how he is of the establishment and yet often works against agendas.

He's born of it, but is more about setting the establishment to his tune and philosophy. It happens every so often and you see it whenever you do get a good revolution going or someone who influences the direction of travel (hopefully) for decades to come.

You always get a member of the aristocracy or establishment going "actually, I think I can do this stuff better this way." and tries to force the issue. He's trying to do that with a whole nation.

Same as criticising Cameron over the NHS was difficult due to the care given to his son, Ivan and the young one's tragic death. It rings hollow and bitter the more and more you hear morons screeching about how the NHS is going to be gutted completely under Tory governments, but said NHS has existed under Tory Governments for far longer than it has Labour.

It's the laziest campaign imaginable from them, they scream about how the NHS is going to be gutted and privatised by the evil Tories, then declare victory when said government does nothing of the sort, back patting and self fella-ting themselves over how "their pressure" stopped the evil Tory Plans.

Hilariously, said Left and Liberal mob have been singing Germany's Healthcare system's praises and wondering why we can't do the same here. Quite not realising that the reason Germany's health system is so massive, well equipped with lots of capacity and redundancy is because it's only 28% state owned....
 
As predicted, ‘he is risen’ headlines. come on, own up, whos the dail mail hack. :biggrin:


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Next stop, discharged next week, thumbs up photo op with pretty young nurses and a serious handshake of the docs who saved him. Lifetime immunity for him to be criticised on his handling of the NHS because he will be able to say honestly that they saved his life and have a special place in his heart.
Honestly, people have underestimated Boris for years. The media treating him as a Buffoon when he’s nothing of the sort. It’s fascinating how he is of the establishment and yet often works against agendas.

Interesting basic modelling from ICL - can’t be archived because it’s a daily change thing.

It begs the question - what happens after lockdown?

As far as I have been told second hand, the current planning is for a second big spike in infections/hospitalisation very shortly after lockdown is lifted.

I don’t pretend to know what the fuck is actually going to happen, but the planning on healthcare side is working to that assumption.
 
The polish and hungarian kiwis please clarify how it's been around there. 'Cause as much as this makes me see our cops in a more positive light it also makes me weep for the state of humanity as a whole. Cops are in charge of ensuring discipline, if they have no discipline themselves they suck at their fucking job. This is honestly incredible to me.
Nothing special. For every overzealous cop you have another oppressed citizen pulling some legitimate bullshit then crying foul. Most of the police force is busy checking on the 100k+ quarantined people every day. Haven't heard of anything as ridiculous as trying to "gotcha" people based on what they buy in shops; I can get anything I please as long as it's in stock.

Spanish and French police have something of a bad rep around here because of violence during political protests, Catalan secession and yellow vests respectively.
 
As far as I have been told second hand, the current planning is for a second big spike in infections/hospitalisation very shortly after lockdown is lifted.

I don’t pretend to know what the fuck is actually going to happen, but the planning on healthcare side is working to that assumption.

It always happens. During lockdown people don't interact. After lockdown they do. Hence more people get sick. This is why lockdown should be a sellective tool to prepare the healthcare system, not a one size fits all global economic suicide pact like it seems to have become.

Hope right now is lockdown will have allowed for enough immunity to build on the most affected area that, in essence, it can turn the first wave into a "vaccine" against the second. We'll see how it goes but for now I'm happy it's being lifted economically first while still keeping the rest of the lockdown, specially on congregagions, over here. That way worst case scenario it won't be as bad as it could be otherwise. I am also glad spaniards have been more cooperative than most. While I bitched here about how retardedly totalitarian the lockdown was at least and still think so just lifting all of it at once would be a massive amount of rape. Really right now all we can do is brace for inpact, do a damage report, and base our future actions on that.

Nothing special. For every overzealous cop you have another oppressed citizen pulling some legitimate bullshit then crying foul. Most of the police force is busy checking on the 100k+ quarantined people every day. Haven't heard of anything as ridiculous as trying to "gotcha" people based on what they buy in shops; I can get anything I please as long as it's in stock.

Spanish and French police have something of a bad rep around here because of violence during political protests, Catalan secession and yellow vests respectively.

Yeah the catalonian mossos have a bad rep compared with the rest of the country. And our riot cops have a bad rep compared with the rest of the force. But even then to be fair they got firebombed by the independentists. I'd say the moment people get the knifes and molotovs out is the moment a bit more violence than usual starts being understandable, and even then, as much as I bitch about it, at least they didn't actually used weapons classed as lethal. Though some of the weapons they used should be classed as such. Point is, there's reason to bitch about that specific group of cops, but even then there's sides of gray too.
 
It always happens. During lockdown people don't interact. After lockdown they do. Hence more people get sick. This is why lockdown should be a sellective tool to prepare the healthcare system, not a one size fits all global economic suicide pact like it seems to have become.

Oh, you'll be pleased to know that Australia does think that's a solution.
They're talking about "6 months, at least, or until a vaccine" of this.
You have people begging the government to turn Australia into North Korea, lock the borders forever and keep us on social distancing into eternity.

We keep being told we're not on hard lockdown, but you can't go anywhere, do anything. You get fined.
Everything is shut but for "essential" things.
It's so strange, because when it was all about flattening the curve, it was all "If you sacrifice atm, we can do this and it will all be over soon".
Suddenly, as soon as that curve flattens completely, we record very low new cases, no real community transmission, all that curve talk is gone and we are getting threatened with harsher restrictions and "It's not over yet, it will get worse".
No "Good job, you flattened the curve!", just "You haven't seen what a real lock down is like". It's genuinely disturbing.

Whilst the rest of the world gets back to work and this virus fades, Australia will be living the North Korean dream.
I expect at this rate that international news and internet will be cut so we can't access the outside world.
 
Prime Minister now officially discharged from hospital and effectively on medical leave. Rule of thumb is every day in ICU = 1 week of recovery. So he's now out of it for probably another 7 weeks and is already on "very lighty" duties. Only decision he wants to be involved in for definite is when to lift the UK's lockdown.

On the flipside, he will be in convalescence at Chequers, which, ya know.....

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Worse places to have a sick bed.
 
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Apparently Obama warned us about coronavirus back in 2014:


The author claims this based on this video:


If Obama supposedly knew better, then why didn't he do anything during his last two years to prepare for an event like this?

when will the west learn to not buy medical supplies from china? first they only sent defective tests and the masks that were to shit for even them to use but now they're not even sending that now they just send boxes of cut up paper pretending it's masks. they're going full Bernie "no refunds"

This will end well:



He's not kidding about the swab test. It ain't the nose they test for.

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I wandered over to reddit earlier. Mistake. Posts and replies are either nutters saying it's all a hoax to cover for 5G or they're Perfect Citizens following every rule to the letter (by their own admission) wanting to call the gestapo because they spied an extra roll of toilet paper in their neighbors' garage. wtf.

Is Reddit still locked in the forever war about what airborne transmission means.

I eventually got tired of explaining it.
 
I wandered over to reddit earlier. Mistake. Posts and replies are either nutters saying it's all a hoax to cover for 5G or they're Perfect Citizens following every rule to the letter (by their own admission) wanting to call the gestapo because they spied an extra roll of toilet paper in their neighbors' garage. wtf.
Is Reddit still locked in the forever war about what airborne transmission means.

I eventually got tired of explaining it.

What subreddits are you guys in? Please don't tell me this is the main coronavirus subreddit we're talking about
 
US District Judge Justin Walker of Kentucky overturned a ban on church services that was issued by Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer. The judge described the ban as something out of the pages of a dystopian novel. "On Holy Thursday, an American mayor criminalized the communal celebration of Easter. That sentence is one that this Court never expected to see outside the pages of a dystopian novel, or perhaps the pages of The Onion." He said the city is prohibited from "enforcing; attempting to enforce; threatening to enforce; or otherwise requiring compliance with any prohibition on drive-in church services at On Fire." Walker added "The Mayor's decision is stunning. And it is, beyond all reason, unconstitutional."
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And so it begins, the push against unconstitutional and repressive decrees. This really lifts my spirits. I'm not one to go gallivanting around and when I do I'm dressed in PPE (and so are most people now) but I believe these overreaching decrees are wrong and wholly unconstitutional.
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Now the question will start to be: how much power at town/county/state levels do mayors/county managers/govermors have to shut down the courts? Because you cant get to higher courts in a lot of cases til you lose in lower courts. Could be irrelevant anyway, since a lot of local courts are already closed as part of local govt office closure.

I think we're also going to see a situation where Trump says to open back up nationally and the Blue States unite under Cuomo and refuse. They can try to paint him as an evil corporate moneylover putting lives at the expense of cash. They can postpone the election and accuse Trump to doing it to stay in power, til he has no choice but to allow mail in voting, where they will have an advantage. We could even see a proposal to suspend the Electoral College for this election because how can they meet in a lockdown?


Suddenly, as soon as that curve flattens completely, we record very low new cases, no real community transmission, all that curve talk is gone and we are getting threatened with harsher restrictions and "It's not over yet, it will get worse".
No "Good job, you flattened the curve!", just "You haven't seen what a real lock down is like". It's genuinely disturbing.

This is happening everywhere, not just in Austrailia. As cases drop, restrictions increase. I think for the states who hven't been as harsh as Michigan, they are just waiting to get through Easter so they don't get the bad press like Kentucky has. Betting on a lot of "things are still bad, we tried to loosen up but you guys blew it, here's the new lockdowns till June" decrees starting Monday.
 
Oh, you'll be pleased to know that Australia does think that's a solution.
They're talking about "6 months, at least, or until a vaccine" of this.
You have people begging the government to turn Australia into North Korea, lock the borders forever and keep us on social distancing into eternity.

We keep being told we're not on hard lockdown, but you can't go anywhere, do anything. You get fined.
Everything is shut but for "essential" things.
It's so strange, because when it was all about flattening the curve, it was all "If you sacrifice atm, we can do this and it will all be over soon".
Suddenly, as soon as that curve flattens completely, we record very low new cases, no real community transmission, all that curve talk is gone and we are getting threatened with harsher restrictions and "It's not over yet, it will get worse".
No "Good job, you flattened the curve!", just "You haven't seen what a real lock down is like". It's genuinely disturbing.

Whilst the rest of the world gets back to work and this virus fades, Australia will be living the North Korean dream.
I expect at this rate that international news and internet will be cut so we can't access the outside world.

If anything non-essential is cut that's a hard lockdown. And Australia is semi-rural for the most part without any megacities. If anything it should never had gotten a full lockdown for real. Unless it's healthcare system is so woefully inadequate it could be toppled by the sniffles. Reading how full retard it's going gratuituously is honestly worrying.
 
Also, if this is occurring due to people's strict adherence to the lockdown, then what's with all the stories and pictures of people violating the lockdown rules? Shouldn't the numbers be going up if tons of people aren't paying attention to the rules? Italy has been under lockdown since early March. Why are people still dropping like flies? Shouldn't those strict lockdown rules be bringing the death rate down quicker?

It's because if you're a Twitter cunt, and most journalists are, the best way to signal virtue is to point at someone who is less virtuous than you and say "Look at this bad person".

I think you will find that a very wide segment of the population yearns for an iron boot on their neck.

They want the boot on the neck of the people they're a-logging on Twitter and are too stupid to realize that one day the mob may come for them too.

See this is why I hate all the sperging about the Jooze, why do you need to blame them for everything when you have people like this who actually deserve un-ending hatred.

I think even a-logging Conde Nast isn't quite the most efficient form of a-logging. Even blaming Twitter. Twitter is just a platform for people to share text message sized bits of the text. Facebook is for sharing pictures of your expensive lunch. The poisonous culture that they produce is a problem of the users, not the platform. Though it is kind of encouraging that most ordinary people don't use Twitter, they seem to be abandoning Facebook and are aware that the environment they produce is pathological.

Every time I look at Twitter it makes me a little Mad At The Internet. But then it occurs to me that it's almost nothing to do with the real world. All the politicians that Twitter users like do poorly in elections and the ones they viscerally loathe do well. When journalists push Twitter narratives IRL it's clear that the population sees them as ridiculous figures. And then I stop being MATI and realize that social media insanity is something to laugh at, like Furries or Redditors. Or trannies.

that is very worrying. His wranglers need a stern debriefing

Unlike Twitter, even the CCP gets some things right. One of them is the notion 'the health of senior leaders' should be kept out of the public sphere. People don't have the right to know exactly how sick the PM is, any more than they have the right to know how sick anyone is. In WWII Churchill had multiple, severe illnesses and it was kept out of the public domain until he recovered. The USSR was led by clinically dead individuals throughout the 70's and 80's. The Imperium of Man WH40K was led by a very sick individual, very successfully throughout a very grimdark period of only war.
 
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