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Listen to what the cop is saying in those videos. This is blatantly unconstitutional. I hope that people are using those Trumpbux to purchase rifles and handguns because you may need them in the future (for hunting food and target practice at a sanctioned gun range).

Note to my personal FBI agent: I'm not encouraging violence.

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Urgh, see twenty years ago I’d have said that was sexist, but having gone through the whole family thing, you’re right.
You’re told at school that you must work hard and bombarded with the whole teen mum thing. Don’t do that, that’s bad. And remember it wasn’t long ago, even when I was a kid, that girls were told they shouldn’t do certain jobs. That was crap. Then third wave feminism came along and warped the sensible message (women can be scientists/doctors/whatever/ ) into slagging off motherhood as being lesser. So an entire generation of women has been pushed into work (because you can’t raise a family on one income in the uk unless that income is high) AND sold the myth that you can have it all. So all these women dutifully spend years doing their accountancy exams or medical school or a PhD and think they’re doing what they should be doing and then they hit reality. Maternity leave and small toddlers do not work with a really demanding job unless you’ve got enough cash for a nanny or are a superhuman being. junior doctor jobs do not pay enough to hire a nanny. We have a low wage high tax society.
Most men’s bosses don’t have a culture where men can go part time. Most men, IME, don’t want to either. Way more women do want to. So in effect you’ve got three jobs between two of you. Your job, the fathers job, and domestic/childcare.
Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game. The compromise is part time hours, which lets women work high skill jobs and still raise families.
So... I don’t blame women GPS for wanting to be part time, but yeah, it’s helping to crash the system. That’s what you get for expanding the tax base. Burned out parents and you can’t fill enough job roles. Dunno what the answer is there to be honest.

So yeah, it’s easy to pin the blame on women (You didn’t, I’m just saying generally) but the blame really is the system which demands both parents work and shove the offspring in childcare. Women have been sold a pup and been told they can have it all.
Men don't want to work part time to spend time taking care of the kids, no, but male doctors don't like the intense medical lifestyle either. The shit I hear about residency in the US (equivalent to being a junior doctor?) is absurd. The sacrifices we expect from doctors are really unreasonable, even in non-corona times.
Although I have to note that it's never been cool or normal in polite society to be a teen mom. My friend's grandmother got thrown out of college for getting pregnant in the 40s--wouldn't happen now. Girls from good families waited or they gave the baby up for adoption and never mentioned it again.
 
Is there any place in the world where elderly care is good? Seems like it's always either sitting a stockpile of soon-to-be corpses or getting euthanized after family finds you no longer useful.
Well the usual thing is to praise traditional societies for honouring the elderly. But the reality of that is the women having to do work plus childcare plus eldercare, so I’m not sure that way is perfect either. Norway has a system where it’s all part of the actual hospital system I think but I’ve never lived or worked there so I’m not sure (Norwegian kiwis ?)
No, basically. It’s pretty depressing and sad. I hope I live to a decent Healthy old age then drop Dead suddenly. The thought of rotting away in a home is terrible.
They’re also sitting ducks for corona. I dread to think what proportion of elder care facilities are infected. They’re staffed by badly paid care workers who don’t have enough PPE. I think a big proportion of the death totals is going to be from homes.
 
Listen to what the cop is saying in those videos. This is blatantly unconstitutional. I hope that people are using those Trumpbux to purchase rifles and handguns because you may need them in the future (for hunting food and target practice at a sanctioned gun range).

Note to my personal FBI agent: I'm not encouraging violence.

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This is exactly why as much as I hate the fucking pointless periodic feminist protests I don't actually really disagree with the gov for waiting after the day after to close everything. I really wouldn't want to be put on the situation where right of demonstration is censored by the cops. Last to do that was Rajoi and we all know him for the petty tyrant he was. He earned the unending hatred of the country and spawned Podemos, changing the political landscape forever.

Technically, at least over here, State of Alarm means the government has the right to pass laws which allow for the restriction of people's movement until such state ends and only through congress or the autonomies. (Technically either or due to how fucking oddly redundant our system has become with the whole autonomy shit. That was poorly handled.) But had the actual right of demonstration gotten fucked... That'd cause some serious instability. Fuck I'd be getting a gun licence if that was the case. And I'm probably THE most pro-gun-control fucker on the planet.
 
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Well the usual thing is to praise traditional societies for honouring the elderly. But the reality of that is the women having to do work plus childcare plus eldercare, so I’m not sure that way is perfect either. Norway has a system where it’s all part of the actual hospital system I think but I’ve never lived or worked there so I’m not sure (Norwegian kiwis ?)
No, basically. It’s pretty depressing and sad. I hope I live to a decent Healthy old age then drop Dead suddenly. The thought of rotting away in a home is terrible.
They’re also sitting ducks for corona. I dread to think what proportion of elder care facilities are infected. They’re staffed by badly paid care workers who don’t have enough PPE. I think a big proportion of the death totals is going to be from homes.
Yeah, and many old people do really need skilled nursing care; people in Western countries live way longer now than they did when we were still 'traditional'. There's home health care nurses, of course, but that's not necessarily good enough. And unfortunately some people with dementia get violent and can't safely live with family, especially if there's children in the home.
 
Speaking of speds. In spain 6yo and under autists have been allowed for 1 small walk a day with a handler. I thought it was dumb until I learned apparently britbongs are doing so much worse. Wtf?
Tards can go out with a handler all day long in germany, just like everybody else.


Yeah, and many old people do really need skilled nursing care; people in Western countries live way longer now than they did when we were still 'traditional'. There's home health care nurses, of course, but that's not necessarily good enough. And unfortunately some people with dementia get violent and can't safely live with family,
Thats why greatgrandma got a polish nurse to take care of her in her last years. cheap and doesnt hurt the healthcare system
 
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Well the usual thing is to praise traditional societies for honouring the elderly. But the reality of that is the women having to do work plus childcare plus eldercare, so I’m not sure that way is perfect either. Norway has a system where it’s all part of the actual hospital system I think but I’ve never lived or worked there so I’m not sure (Norwegian kiwis ?)
No, basically. It’s pretty depressing and sad. I hope I live to a decent Healthy old age then drop Dead suddenly. The thought of rotting away in a home is terrible.
They’re also sitting ducks for corona. I dread to think what proportion of elder care facilities are infected. They’re staffed by badly paid care workers who don’t have enough PPE. I think a big proportion of the death totals is going to be from homes.
In France, it's 5600 people so far. No idea about other countries.

I'm sure the problem can at least be allieviated somewhat by preserving family and small community bonds. After the wife of a close old relative of mine died, family from the city took him to live in their apartment. He's been with them for several years now and they recently threw him a pretty festive 95th birthday party. Another example who comes to mind is one ancient woman (friend of my late grandma) who lived with her disabled son in a rather rickety house almost next door to mine. The locals would always help her with tasks beyond her capabilities, like getting coal and firewood for winter. All poor people themselves, but they cared.
 
I'm so confused by all the people saying NYC deaths are going to spike because of Easter. Do people think small family gatherings will result in major deaths, or do people genuinely think NYC is full of still-open evangelical megachurches?
 
I'm so confused by all the people saying NYC deaths are going to spike because of Easter. Do people think small family gatherings will result in major deaths, or do people genuinely think NYC is full of still-open evangelical megachurches?

They think it's filled with morons that'd break quarantine just 'cause "meh yearly trip" and good weather. Also, "small" family gatherings are massive disease vectors.

There’s an anecdote about Richard Feynman where he gets shown a blueprint of something and he has no idea whatsoever what he’s looking at and he is asked what he thinks the problem is, and he points at some random symbol X and says ‘yeah here’ and they all scurry off and come back later and tell him that yes, Whatever widget or valve that symbol was Was the issue and that he’s just averted disaster.
Feynman probably did know what he was looking at to a point, but we’ve all (?) had moments where the subconscious pattern recognition kicks in and you just know, without real conscious thought, that the problem is X.

That’s the weaponised autism when it works well. When it doesn’t you end up with a liking for bongos. Or drawing on the windows with a Chinagraph pencil.

That explains part, but I still wonder how these mofos just had their spidey senses tingle as soon as the kid entered the list to the point where they managed to even find his past drug addiction that was kept completely secret by the therapist. Like... either our kitchen staff are illuminatti level surveilance experts or their "intuition" is on par with a superpower. Sometimes I wonder if they worked for the spetznaz or some shit. Mofos just know shit.
 
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Every time some twat/relation/both rants at me for “wasting my educashunnn” and “not contributing to your family”, I’m inwardly torn between bursting into tears and gouging their fucking eyes out.
What, do they think everything you learned in school is going to disappear from your brain by the time your kids are grown? They won't be children forever and you can work as much as you like after they're grown.

Ignore them. They're idiots. Actually being present for your children is contributing to your family.
 
As a result, the frontline stuff gets mixed together with everything else so that it becomes hard to criticise elements without being accused of being unsupportive of the whole thing.

I think there's a problem if an organization has 'national' or '[country name]' in its name and people are forced to fund it. At that point, you seem unpatriotic if you criticize it and you don't have a choice whether you fund it or not. For most people it means they have no choice but to use the NHS. And criticism of it will be met by 'WELL I SUPPOSE YOU WANT TO MOVE TO THE US SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE GO BANKRUPT IF THEY GET ILL?!'. And then you patiently explain Bismarck versus Beveridge, and how in the Euro Health Consumer Index (ECHI) 2009 found that

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Anyway, the point the reports makes is that, "Looking at the results of the EHCI 2006 – 2009, it is very hard to avoid noticing that the top consists of dedicated Bismarck countries, with the small-population and therefore more easily managed Beveridge systems of the Nordic countries squeezing in. Large Beveridge systems seem to have difficulties at attaining really excellent levels of customer value."

The following list shows the rankings of Western European healthcare systems according to their 2009 score. The Bismarck countries are in bold:

( 1 ) Holland, ( 2 ) Denmark, ( 3 ) Iceland, ( 4 ) Austria, ( 5 ) Switzerland, ( 6 ) Germany, (7) France, ( 8 ) Sweden, ( 9 ) Luxembourg, ( 10 ) Norway, ( 11 ) Belgium, ( 12 ) Finland, ( 13 ) Ireland, ( 14 ) UK, ( 15 ) Italy, ( 16 ) Spain, ( 17 ) Greece, ( 18 ) Portugal.

And then they'll say 'Isn't the US system a Bismarck system?'. And the answer is no, it is not. In a Bismarck system, you have a choice of healthcare providers, but you must pick one. No one goes bust due to healthcare costs. They'll also typically say that Beveridge systems work well in Nordic countries. This is true but those countries are small and culturally homogenous, unlike the UK. At this point, they'll accuse you of racism for thinking that 'culturally homogenous' makes a difference. Of course, it most certainly does. Your family is more like a socialist system internally than a free market one but it works because you don't act against the interests of your family members because they're family. Extend that to your street and it would be a disaster. Also, they'll say the Adam Smith Institute is Thatcherite, which is true, but the ECHI is just collecting and analyzing data. The Adam Smith Institute linked to that data because it confirmed their beliefs, but that doesn't mean the study is invalid. There are good reasons for thinking the UK should adopt a Bismarck system. Give people a choice, if they don't make a choice just give them the NHS as a default.

Incidentally here's the latest ECHI report. Page 21 contains the Bismarck vs Beveridge outcome. Spoilers- Bismarck wins again.


There really needs to be another layer in the system : drop in clinics, fracture clinics, minor injuries etc. Stuff you need to be seen quickly for but don’t need emergency - too much of that ends up clogging A and E.

A lot of drop-in clinics have closed in recent years. To be honest I've got an issue with the way GPs are gatekeepers for the whole system. I've been in other countries where you just go straight to a hospital and the person at the desk directs you to the relevant department. In the UK you can wait a long time before you get to see a GP if you're in a shitty area and even longer to get the required referral to go to a hospital. The UK's system rations healthcare by what is effectively queueing. If you've got something urgently wrong with you, this is bad news, though admittedly the NHS seems to be very good for acute problems like broken limbs. They'll patch you up and send you. What's more worrying is getting diagnosed if you have cancer, let alone treated.

I've used the healthcare systems in other places too. Given a choice of where I could get sick in Europe, I'd pick somewhere like Holland. Small country, Bismarck system, number one score on the ECHI study. The Dutch are pretty easy to deal with too. If I was trying to improve a healthcare system I'd try to clone the Dutch one as much as possible.

If you're in Asia, go to Taipei and pay cash. It's like $20 to get an X-ray with no insurance and you'll get it analyzed the same day by a US-trained doctor. And you can probably join their single-payer system if you're running low on cash.

In other news, MedCram has a new video out on PCR vs antibody tests and why we need the latter to see who is immune.

 
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Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game. The compromise is part time hours, which lets women work high skill jobs and still raise families.
So... I don’t blame women GPS for wanting to be part time, but yeah, it’s helping to crash the system. That’s what you get for expanding the tax base. Burned out parents and you can’t fill enough job roles. Dunno what the answer is there to be honest.

So yeah, it’s easy to pin the blame on women (You didn’t, I’m just saying generally) but the blame really is the system which demands both parents work and shove the offspring in childcare. Women have been sold a pup and been told they can have it all.

Honestly? A part of it is a nudge back. Encourage motherhood as a valid option so people don't feel like scumbags and set the tax system in such a way that if someone is a mother then the person earning in the household gets decent tax breaks.

But also don't turn around and go "lel wimmins in the work place suck" it doesn't have to be that bullshit. You can balance matters and ensure that both options are valid and seen as valid. Third wavism and "progressivism" are often hilariously regressive to things they consider verboten instead of finding an actual compromise.

EDIT: Only problem is, Hungary's basically enacted this policy, is seeing great results (Birth rates are up over 10% in just the first year) so chances of it being enacted where the social justice and third wavists are buried deep like ticks into "influential" society is slim to none.
 
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