Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[Smug Freiza]

John and Ro sperging all over each other on Liam's stream while the exceptional Liam tries to make peace in his inimitably incompetent manner.
Time stamped to drop you in the middle of it. https://youtu.be/lrVPoYgFfbU?t=7570

Ro is a massive cuck.

Thank-you FROG for using your stroke with Dynomite to get Anna that deal and get this started and thank-you Liam (you mother abusing goofball) for trying to put out the fire with gasoline and gunpowder.

Pure chocolate moo juice!

Liam has an account here @Tyne , he has some of the most retarded posts in this thread. If you want a good laugh go to his profile and check them out, the guy is touched in the head.

 

[AnOminous]

To be fair I think Nik probably believes his friend and his biases are clouding his judgement here but for him to make a factual statement that Ethan 'did not commit fraud' based on Ethan's own unverified and unverifiable statements is just silly.

Fraud is a specific intent crime and doesn't require just false statements of material fact but that they were deliberately false and induced reasonable reliance. I don't see how it would be remotely possible to prove that. The fact that he returned the money also means there was no harm, so nobody would be interested in prosecuting it in any event.

Also when in the history of ever have commemorative coins not been a ridiculous thing nobody should buy?

 

[TheLaughingMan]

 

[Newman's Own]

Fraud is a specific intent crime and doesn't require just false statements of material fact but that they were deliberately false and induced reasonable reliance. I don't see how it would be remotely possible to prove that. The fact that he returned the money also means there was no harm, so nobody would be interested in prosecuting it in any event.

Also when in the history of ever have commemorative coins not been a ridiculous thing nobody should buy?

That was never my point.

Fraud does not have to be proven to be fraud.

It's pretty obvious that Ethan defrauded his customers here in my opinion. But it's obvious to anyone with an IQ over 50.

Proving it in a court of law is another matter. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't have to prove it in a court of law to point out the massive levels of sperged out retardation coming from Frog and his followers and having a laugh about it.

Good times.

 

[jspit]

John and Ro sperging all over each other on Liam's stream while the exceptional Liam tries to make peace in his inimitably incompetent manner.
Time stamped to drop you in the middle of it. https://youtu.be/lrVPoYgFfbU?t=7570

Ro is a massive cuck.

Thank-you FROG for using your stroke with Dynomite to get Anna that deal and get this started and thank-you Liam (you mother abusing goofball) for trying to put out the fire with gasoline and gunpowder.

Pure chocolate moo juice!

It's the best. Making comicsgate great again. Tiger king level shit. Now Ro needs to threaten to chop another guys head off and Jon needs to put out a hit.

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Fitting, no one wins in a slap fight between the exceptional. Except us, sometimes.

 

[Rupin]

Liam has an account here @Tyne , he has some of the most exceptional posts in this thread. If you want a good laugh go to his profile and check them out, the guy is touched in the head.

I thought he got thread banned a couple months ago?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Although frog proved himself to not be a fraud but instead a puuoet for dynamite although he was kicked out of the industry for being a "conservative", but seeing cg imploding in itself brings me joy seeing Jon calling out Ro.

 

[Rupin]

Although frog proved himself to not be a fraud but instead a puuoet for dynamite although he was kicked out of the industry for being a "conservative", but seeing cg imploding in itself brings me joy seeing Jon calling out Ro.

those two have been going at each other for a couple months now, I hardly think that’s making CG imploding on itself.

 

[Newman's Own]

those two have been going at each other for a couple months now, I hardly think that’s making CG imploding on itself.

They're choosing up sides inside WC.

Ro excommunicated SketchAutistry for wrong think.

It's a slow implosion but it's an implosion all the same.

This has been picking up speed ever since WC forced Ethan to excommunicate the cringe that is Edwin. Ever since then if not earlier there has been a slow acceleration of the self inflicted deconstruction of this sad excuse for a movement.

They can't help themselves. It's only a matter of time. It will continue to implode slowly until it happens all at once.

It's like watching a slow car wreck where all the drivers are worthless cunts.

Fun to watch.

 

[jspit]

those two have been going at each other for a couple months now, I hardly think that’s making CG imploding on itself.

Don't care, it was great. Moar. Continue more of that and fewer knitting streams.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

"MAIL FRAUD" LMAO. Ethan Van Shits Himself is just....... LMAO. Sorry Ethan, but you so would fucking lose in court when you can't even get what it was you were accused of. LMAO.

https://twitter.com/EthanVanSciver/status/1250096279696392192

https://archive.fo/21Cjd

EDIT: And the only one who looked like a dipshit and is one, is you Ethan Van Shits Himself.

 

[Smug Freiza]

I thought he got thread banned a couple months ago?

He replied to me a few days ago in the main CG thread but he might have been thread banned here.

Don't care, it was great. Moar. Continue more of that and fewer knitting streams.

I must admit Liams last 2 streams have been the most entertaining CG content since the Fall of Rome.

 

[Analog Devolved]

He replied to me a few days ago in the main CG thread but he might have been thread banned here.

I must admit Liams last 2 streams have been the most entertaining CG content since the Fall of Rome.

WC does have a point though. Anna's vampirella cover is hot trash. It makes me laugh every time I see it. Imagine walking into a shop and having multiple covers to choose from and buying that one. The artistic skill just isn't there. Everyone is so afraid of calling out amateurish Tumblr art its hilarious.
Can't they all just agree it looks like shit and no one should buy it?

 

[instythot]

So I watched some of Rekita's stream from last night where he "analyses" the Ribbitcoin fiasco.
1:20:20 https://youtu.be/cwTcucARTZ0?t=4821

I have some thoughts.

1. Rekita acknowledges that the campaign copy was "edited at a later date". What Nik doesn't acknowledge is that the edit was made only after Vikki's video began to collect large numbers of views and there was pressure to do something. (something that looks like a cover up)

2. Rekita acknowledges that the coins had a STICKER and not die graphics on them. This is important because it is the 2nd piece of falls promotional copy used to sell the product.

3. Rekita refers to Ethan reading the frauduelent ad copy on his show as an "ad read" as though Ethan was advertising for some other party but this is incorrect as he was reading for the campaign with his name on it that he clearly stood to profit from "inducement to sale" directly and proportionally.

He was not simply an ad reader since it was his name on the campaign and he stood to profit from inducement.

4. "Someone. Someone has licensed the CF property."

Who's that and why all the secrecy surrounding who Ethan is partnering with? How is this not cause for suspicion?

5. "The problem appears to be that they gave him bad copy to put in the description."

I disagree.

The problem APPEARS to be that Ethan and his alleged partner intentionally or unintentionally used false copy to induce buyers to purchase the product.

6. "Maybe he wrote the description himself and it's all just an elaborate hoax: I don't think so."

I don't think so either Nik. This was not elaborate. It was simple. In fact it's the kind of thing that is very difficult to screw up but it was in two different places lifting FALSE copy from two different sources that just happened to increase the desirability of the fraudulent product benefiting Ethan and his alleged partner.

7. 'The apology and refund mitigate the potential losses from a fraud.'

I agree. Ethan covered his ass like he'd consulted a lawyer and got good advice about reducing his risk profile.

8. "It's the language in here that should give us clues that there was no criminal act in the first place."

Here's the rub. The language used was by the person caught hocking product fraudulently. Of course it hints that there was no criminal act in the first place. He' worried about being charged with a felony. What wouldn't he say to make that go away.

Presuming that the party accused of criminal conduct is honest in his refutations is not how rational people deal with possible criminal behavior or every accused would simply make up a story and the prisons would be empty.

One must have proof to back up their refutations that is more weighty than the evidence to the contrary.

So is there proof?

Kinda?

10. "If they had read the New Jersey statute that they cited. There's an exemption for publishers and television shows that do an ad read."

I'm pretty sure such an exemption would not be possible if the person doing the ad read is also partnered directly with the "licensee" or is the vendor himself as indicated by Ethan's name as the proprietor of the campaign.

It's not an "ad read" when you're advertising your own product. It's false advertising.

11. "Long story short did Ethan commit fraud?

No?"

What?

Based on what?

The denial of the person suspected of fraud and the unverified "evidence" that it was some other party who Ethan refuses to name?

Accepting Ethan's receipts is predicated on believing that his receipts both unnamed and unattributed are legit.

Why would I believe that without verification?

I thought Rekita was better at this stuff.

To be fair I think Nik probably believes his friend and his biases are clouding his judgement here but for him to make a factual statement that Ethan 'did not commit fraud' based on Ethan's own unverified and unverifiable statements is just silly.


E: "I didn't do it."

N: "Good enough for me."

What you're missing here is this:

Nicky, while engaging when he's not talking about comic books with people who got drummed out of a dying industry, has five kids, takes his turn teaching in the local homeschooling community and streams 3 hours a night. He certainly doesn't have time to watch the vast majority of this stuff for himself and is, at best, getting highlight reels from his producer or whatever. He also for some reason (impaired judgement from whiskey) seems to personally like Ethan, so he isn't going to push him too hard

This is just easy low effort content for autists to throw a few justice chats at

 

[Newman's Own]

What you're missing here is this:

Nicky, while engaging when he's not talking about comic books with people who got drummed out of a dying industry, has five kids, takes his turn teaching in the local homeschooling community and streams 3 hours a night. He certainly doesn't have time to watch the vast majority of this stuff for himself and is, at best, getting highlight reels from his producer or whatever. He also for some reason (impaired judgement from whiskey) seems to personally like Ethan, so he isn't going to push him too hard

This is just easy low effort content for autists to throw a few justice chats at

I agree with all of that. I look at Nik with his friendships to both Doug T and EVS and I think he's just ill informed and has whiskey induced bias here. Basically what you said.

All that said I think he's missed the mark by quite a margin.

 

[instythot]

He is, however, Gavin Mciness levels of dumb.
And I suspect he's going to turn out the same way as Gavin. Still successful but hes going to end up burning bridges with everyone but warcampaign.


Also for fucks sake Newman edit your fucking posts instead of posting multiple times. It makes you look like an exceptional individual.

Gavin is years overdue for his own thread. LOADS of content and the man threw away a spot on Fox News to hang out with Anthony Cumia and the Proud Boys

That was never my point.

Fraud does not have to be proven to be fraud.

It's pretty obvious that Ethan defrauded his customers here in my opinion. But it's obvious to anyone with an IQ over 50.

Proving it in a court of law is another matter. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't have to prove it in a court of law to point out the massive levels of sperged out exceptionalism coming from Frog and his followers and having a laugh about it.

Good times.

It wasn't obvious fraud, fella. It was obvious passing off cheap shit to his fans who have been proven to spend too much money for very little value to see if it would work. He did eventually offer the refunds to everyone, not just the people who asked for them even if he was a huge dick about it and should have done it after the first video showing off how low quality they were even for collector's coins. People can be mad at him for eventually doing the right thing under duress, but he did eventually do the right thing after all

It was obvious that Ethan is a sleazy grifter in pursuit of a quick easy buck, and I think everyone should take his "imma be more careful with what I put my name on" with a shaker of salt. Whether this actually tarnished his reputation going forward really depends on the loyalty of his paypigs, but we see even one of them disavowing the gay coins in this very thread

The fact that Ethan was actively advertising a product he licensed out is kind of strange and points to an unusual business model. You very rarely see anyone shilling stuff they license out; their money has already been made when the license fee is paid

 

[El Jagre]

Gavin is years overdue for his own thread. LOADS of content and the man threw away a spot on Fox News to hang out with Anthony Cumia and the Proud Boys

I'm honestly surprised he doesn't have one yet especially since both Anthony Cumia and his brother have their own threads.

 

[Rupin]

He replied to me a few days ago in the main CG thread but he might have been thread banned here.

I must admit Liams last 2 streams have been the most entertaining CG content since the Fall of Rome.

i think he was because I remember him coming on here defending ethan with super long posts and people criticizing the hell out of the art in his comic book until they found out the artist was only 17.

 

[Newman's Own]

Gavin is years overdue for his own thread. LOADS of content and the man threw away a spot on Fox News to hang out with Anthony Cumia and the Proud Boys



It wasn't obvious fraud, fella. It was obvious passing off cheap shit to his fans who have been proven to spend too much money for very little value to see if it would work. He did eventually offer the refunds to everyone, not just the people who asked for them even if he was a huge dick about it and should have done it after the first video showing off how low quality they were even for collector's coins. People can be mad at him for eventually doing the right thing under duress, but he did eventually do the right thing after all

It was obvious that Ethan is a sleazy grifter in pursuit of a quick easy buck, and I think everyone should take his "imma be more careful with what I put my name on" with a shaker of salt. Whether this actually tarnished his reputation going forward really depends on the loyalty of his paypigs, but we see even one of them disavowing the gay coins in this very thread

The fact that Ethan was actively advertising a product he licensed out is kind of strange and points to an unusual business model. You very rarely see anyone shilling stuff they license out; their money has already been made when the license fee is paid

I disagree in part.

Passing off cheap shit as 99.9% silver with a "revolutionary new colorization technique" to his paypigs is actually fraudulent by definition.

The fact that he's trying to make it go away with refunds now doesn't mean he didn't defraud his customers to begin with as Rekita made clear. (It does seem to shelter him from any civil suits though.)

Whether he actually licensed out the property or not is still unclear. I know he SAID he licensed it out but he only said this AFTER the video when the fraud allegations heated things up. Before he needed an explanation this project was assumed quite reasonably to be spearheaded by Frog alone.

An undated letter from an unnamed and unverifiable "licensee" isn't exactly proof no fraud took place but it's the only evidence given.

Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe he did get fucked by the licensee he said he intends to stay in business with but I tend to take anything EVS says with a pound of salt.

I agree that Ethan being the only advertiser for a product he licensed out is highly unusual and counter intuitive. I could be wrong but it smells like bullshit.

It would have been a simple enough matter for Ethan to back up his claims by making them the slightest bit verifiable say by naming his licensee but mysteriously he refused to.

I have an idea why.

 

[instythot]

I disagree in part.

Passing off cheap shit as 99.9% silver with a "revolutionary new colorization technique" to his paypigs is actually fraudulent by definition.

The fact that he's trying to make it go away with refunds now doesn't mean he didn't defraud his customers to begin with as Rekita made clear.

Whether he actually licensed out the property or not is still unclear. I know he SAID he licensed it out but he only said this AFTER the video when the fraud allegations heated things up. Before he needed an explanation this project was assumed quite reasonably to be spearheaded by Frog alone.

An undated letter from an unnamed and unverifiable "licensee" isn't exactly proof no fraud took place but it's the only evidence given.

Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe he did get fucked by the licensee he said he intends to stay in business with but I tend to take anything EVS says with a pound of salt.

I agree that Ethan being the only advertiser for a product he licensed out is highly unusual and counter intuitive. I could be wrong but it smells like bullshit.

It would have been a simple enough matter for Ethan to back up his claims by making them the slightest bit verifiable say by naming his licensee but mysteriously he refused to.

I have an idea why.

Simplest explanation: Ethan doesn't know shit about collector's coins, sent them out as soon as they came in. Got the reports from "people trying to destroy comicsgate" by "trying to point out they deserve a refund", got uppity in public, calmed down slightly in private and said "ah, fuck it. The reliable pigs probably won't ask for refunds because it has my gay frog on it and maybe I don't have to give ground to the anti cg army. Let's see how this plays out"

Here's an easy way to find out who the licensee is. Since he told everyone to keep their gay frog coins, look at the packaging. There should be some sort of marking indicating who produced it