Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[incorrigible shit goblin]

Checking in on peoples' opinions of the drama on social media today, and I'm noticing a trend of, "We don't support Nan, but it's important to remember that the rest of Team Pinata didn't do anything wrong."

What happened to 'system accountability' lmao

 

[NoWords]

Apparently Jeremy gets frustrated when the body is sick and being sick is traumatic for some alters

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It's one of Jeremy's "alter roles," but then Nan mentions that they can dissociate themselves from feeling sick somehow

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It would probably make more sense for Nan to front when sick but none of this shit makes sense anyway

This is all such a clown show. The level of convience to make every aspect work and fitting is ridiculous.

Nan has found two ways to enjoy illness in her life.

She gets to actively seek out sickness for sexual gratification, while also using it to further push how traumatized she is because the alters are traumatized by being sick.

Hilarious.

 

[Enoby Way]

disagree

Anthony Padilla seems to showcase lolcows deliberetry and because they are lolcows

I disagree in turn. Anthony Padilla takes what the general public assume to be lolcows and gives them a sympathetic ear and a chance to explain that they're not lolcows. What they do with that is up to them, but the premise of his show isn't to set his guests up for a fall. He should have done his research.

As for everything else posted about MaM since I said that... thanks for the responses but I knew everything everyone has posted so far when I made that argument, and I'll leave it at that. I originally wrote out a response, realised what would happen if I did that for any responses to me in turn, and how a tangential issue would just take over this thread and how stupid that would make me look. So I'm going to opt to go back and delete that whole paragraph to avoid that entire scenario. If anyone is curious they can look at what you quoted of me I guess.

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

Looks like M&M has vaguely spoken her piece on it.

 

[SystemofaLARP]

According to Chloe's YT video showcasing her "bullet journals" and agendas where the alters can talk to eachother and vote for/against certain decisions, if one alter upsets somebody, does something bad, makes a mistake, etc, it becomes the entire system's problem and all alters have to suffer the consequences and therefore work towards fixing said issue (given example: if alter X upsets a friend, it is everyone's duty to apologize and try to make the friend feel better).
If Nan were to split off, go dormant, whatever and have another alter take the wheel and continue the channel and still publicly go under Chloe's control that would completely contradict her "morals". It would ruin her stance about collective responsibility especially now that the issue is Nan's pedophilia. Legally speaking if Nan were to ever have a record nobody would give a shit about the fact it was an alter or another, so Chloe better ditch the hoe if she wants to save her own skin.

 

[Bananasaurus]

Apparently Jeremy gets frustrated when the body is sick and being sick is traumatic for some alters

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It's one of Jeremy's "alter roles," but then Nan mentions that they can dissociate themselves from feeling sick somehow

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It would probably make more sense for Nan to front when sick but none of this shit makes sense anyway

The fuck? Having the flu is not pleasant, but is getting sick really that traumatic that you have to dissociate from it? It never fails to amuse me how everything is horrible trauma to these Tumblr tards.

 

[NoWords]

The fuck? Having the flu is not pleasant, but is getting sick really that traumatic that you have to dissociate from it? It never fails to amuse me how everything is horrible trauma to these Tumblr tards.

Being a parent is now child abuse to some of these idiots. They complain that they were so poor and proof of that monetary struggle is shown in the fact that they never got new iPhones.

 

[Shrryph1]

Yeah. I don’t think Nan’s Visa is going to come through. Might as well break it off now, kids. Find a nice boy your parents like or something.

 

[pd2jzutg2]

Yeah. I don’t think Nan’s Visa is going to come through. Might as well break it off now, kids. Find a nice boy your parents like or something.

it was already rejected

 

[Shrryph1]

it was already rejected

The absolute hell you say.

 

[Enoby Way]

According to Chloe's YT video showcasing her "bullet journals" and agendas where the alters can talk to eachother and vote for/against certain decisions, if one alter upsets somebody, does something bad, makes a mistake, etc, it becomes the entire system's problem and all alters have to suffer the consequences and therefore work towards fixing said issue (given example: if alter X upsets a friend, it is everyone's duty to apologize and try to make the friend feel better).
If Nan were to split off, go dormant, whatever and have another alter take the wheel and continue the channel and still publicly go under Chloe's control that would completely contradict her "morals". It would ruin her stance about collective responsibility especially now that the issue is Nan's pedophilia. Legally speaking if Nan were to ever have a record nobody would give a shit about the fact it was an alter or another, so Chloe better ditch the hoe if she wants to save her own skin.

I was thinking more along the lines of Jeremy going "we now have Nan under control where they can't do any more drawings or predatory behaviour and are taking the system to therapy" and then actually going to therapy, and that would be their version of collective responsibility. People are already being pretty lenient on them as it is, they might get away with it.

Edit: AND Chloe might be able to play it for sympathy points and 'she's so brave to side with Nan'. But that's a very big might.

The fuck? Having the flu is not pleasant, but is getting sick really that traumatic that you have to dissociate from it? It never fails to amuse me how everything is horrible trauma to these Tumblr tards.

Devil's advocate. Their story is that winter and the cold has always come along with trauma, sickness is a side effect of winter and cold. If you were beat the shit out of and sexually abused every time it rained because some sociopathic relative got a kick out of conditioning you to get scared at random stuff, you'd have trauma associated with that stuff too. That's the kind of thing people are assuming happened to Nan, and because everyone knows it's a dick move to ask someone what happened to cause trauma, no-one's gonna ask. So Nan never has to confirm or deny. What a way to take advantage of human decency.

 

[6thRanger]

I've been reading this thread since page 1 and just caught up. I'm really in awe of the work done here. It's concise, informative and funny as hell. Thank you to all the clowns who popped in every time it was getting a little too boring or disgusting to powerlevel and get slapped down.

The number of people who've come out of the woodwork in just this thread alone to say they have DID is hysterical.

My assessment is Chloe is a hardcore cold hearted grifting bitch.

 

[Carlos the Scientist]

it was already rejected

Did Nan or Chloe say this somewhere?

 

[pd2jzutg2]

Did Nan or Chloe say this somewhere?

I’ll try to find an actual source, I think it was in the video where Kyle addressed the Trisha Paytas stuff but I don’t remember fully and I’m not in a position to watch videos atm. Chloe said it to take the pressure off of Trisha and the doubters when she said she had an alter split from the stress — said it’s from stress of moving house, Nan being sick in another country and her visa getting rejected

Edit: it has already been stated somewhere in this thread

edit edit:All Aboard rediscovered it on her tiktok

 

[NoWords]

I was thinking more along the lines of Jeremy going "we now have Nan under control where they can't do any more drawings or predatory behaviour and are taking the system to therapy" and then actually going to therapy, and that would be their version of collective responsibility. People are already being pretty lenient on them as it is, they might get away with it.

Edit: AND Chloe might be able to play it for sympathy points and 'she's so brave to side with Nan'. But that's a very big might.



Devil's advocate. Their story is that winter and the cold has always come along with trauma, sickness is a side effect of winter and cold. If you were beat the shit out of and sexually abused every time it rained because some sociopathic relative got a kick out of conditioning you to get scared at random stuff, you'd have trauma associated with that stuff too. That's the kind of thing people are assuming happened to Nan, and because everyone knows it's a dick move to ask someone what happened to cause trauma, no-one's gonna ask. So Nan never has to confirm or deny. What a way to take advantage of human decency.

I'm pretty sure Nan could twist rainbows into being traumatic...

someone in this thread said so a while back but no proof posted.

I remember seeing it posted, but I agree, I don't remember actually seeing proof.

 

[Enoby Way]

Did Nan or Chloe say this somewhere?

someone in this thread said so a while back but no proof posted.

I'm pretty sure Nan could twist rainbows into being traumatic...

Also yes. But that's why nobody would ask and walk on eggshells whenever ROYGBIV coloring is used. It's also why Nan only uses CMYK.

 

[ayellowfiber]

All I wanna say after going through all the 116 pages is

Thank you for curing my autism

 

[dumb bitchitis]

Long time lurker, thanks everyone for their incredible work. Just wanted to include these from a deleted tweet.

 

[pd2jzutg2]

Now that I think about it, it might have been Nan who said her visa was rejected but if it wasn’t actually archived here, no proof. I remember someone saying it was rejected here

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

I like how the caption says they try to keep things lowkey. There's nothing more lowkey than a 30 year old woman roleplaying as a toddler before curling up against a wall to twitch into a new character while her girlfriend loudly shouts "Bye Sadie!".

In that same video Nan spends so much time staring at the balls on a lion that it actually makes me wonder if she's a zoo. She already has a sexual relationship with Chloe as Riven the cat it wouldn't be a complete shock.



I've done a little additional research into how DID is treated in the UK and you're going to be very interested in what I've found.

There are two options for patients looking for a DID diagnosis in the UK. The first is a London based research clinic that does take NHS referrals. Remember the article where Chloe insisted that there was no NHS treatment for DID?


The second option? The Pottergate Centre.
Where is The Pottergate Centre? Norwich.
Where did Chloe happen to move for university? Norwich.
I'm telling you, this thing was planned from the start. She moved to Norwich hoping to get herself a DID diagnosis. Norwich is an hour and a half from her hometown. Why did she choose Norwich if not for the private clinic?

EDITED TO ADD:
I found a mention of The Pottergate Centre in "Abused by Therapy: How Searching for Childhood Trauma Can Damage Adult Lives" by Katherine Mair who claims to be a retired clinical psychologist. Essentially, The Pottergate Centre hands out free questionnaires for potential patients to complete and they invite those who score highly for a paid assessment. Apparently 90% of those who accept the offer end up with a diagnosis and 60% of those end up with DID. Seems like they're making a serious profit from this shit.

Spoiler: Abused by Therapy Caps

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That shit is legitimately sad.

Just starting to comb through this thread (oh my god I'm only at page 3) and already, massive red flags are flashing in my brain like a war flashback. Given that the source is credible (which I trust it is), this is one of the more damning aspects to Chloe/"""Nin"""'s profile. This implies that she went to this facility specifically to get a DID diagnosis, a condition that professionals debate on whether or not it should be a legitimate diagnosis. Amazing.

So, basically a cunt who named and gave backstory to her mood swings.

This is the best description of Chloe you could have possibly written.

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Chloe without a doubt plays into Nan's sneeze fetish shit by trying to sneeze cutely. Nan was busy pretending to dissociate but the sneeze got her dick chemically inflated clit too hard to keep playing up to it.

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Also find this video pretty laughable. Nan treats her alters like characters in a shitty visual novel. Who the fuck has time to draw and subtitle their mental illness? And to no ones surprise she's a weeb.
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This sneezing fetish doesn't raise any red flags at all, no sir.

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Saw this on Snow and someone says it's Nan's interpretation of Rainbow Brite. Never heard of her but according to google the character is 8-9 years old. Why is Nan drawing a child with tits? Why is she bringing a child character into her fetish? I can't be the only one convinced this is a pedophile. Combined with the fact she's 30 and identifies as 23 but also sometimes as a toddler. Her jealousy over children having child sized bodies comes to mind again. She's weirdly fixated on children and childish things.

Defiling Rainbow Brite like this should be a war crime.

I’m so triggered by this fetish art that I think i just developed an alter to spare me the trauma.

No amount of drugs or alcohol can make me forget those disgraceful images. I may be a degen myself, but those sneeze comics (especially the one where it's a bunch of nose gnomes inside a nose tickling it for a sneeze) are unholy.

Christ on a cracker I was gone for less than 24 hours!!




That's a really good point. She mentions somewhere in this video that she remembers having a happy childhood, but that that is the DID tricking her, that it's a part of the disorder. One of the main signs of DID or suspected DID cases is nearly complete amnesia over an extended period of time before the age of 10. Extended meaning YEARS beyond what is considered typical for children. DID doesn't give you a false happy childhood, and any false happy memories are planted very sporadically, and briefly, and they don't feel real.



The way she talks about her parents is that they are very supportive and loving when she's spitballing, like in the referenced video. This is not how you act when you've had a shitty childhood with shitty parents. Your relationship with them is just as damaged as the relationship you have with yourself. You also don't continue to live with them and enjoy nice trips and things that they pay for. She's spoiled with love and support of all kinds from her parents.






This is one of the reasons why I'm not sure I believe she was ever held against her will in psychiatric care. They don't just have people chilling in a psychiatric hospital. They have a lot of various types of therapy, and medication is given out on a very rigid schedule per patient, and they ensure you take it. Being held against your will only happens when you are a danger to yourself or others, and they need a court order to do that. You can only be held on a 5150/5585 (not sure what it is outside of the California in the US) for 72 hours. The social workers will literally do everything in their power to ask you to consent to being held to receive treatment. You might be handcuffed to a hospital bed after a suicide attempt, and they will be the kindest people, pleading with you to let them help you. And if you tell them you want to leave, they tell you that they will get an emergency hearing with a judge to hold you against your will and again, very kindly plead with you to not let the state take control over your future.

Unless you're completely incoherent for your 72 hour hold, AND if they believe you are truly a danger to yourself or others, you aren't held against your will.

My sister drank gasoline, but texted someone her exact location along with how much she had drank, making it clear her actions were attention-seeking, and she was not held against her will, nor admitted to a psychiatric ward. She was referred to a therapist. Not even to a psychiatrist.



Nurses in psychiatric hospitals don't toss out diagnoses. They don't talk about your mental health to you at all, other than to ensure you are taking your meds, going to your therapy, showing up for your doctor visits with the psychiatrist, and checking your vitals and general wellness. They do not engage in any sort of camaraderie or other inappropriate relationships with patients, even the high-functioning ones. In fact, if you try to buddy up to a nurse, they will report to your doctor that you were, and they typically view that as some kind of manipulation.

Orderlies (or nurse's assistants) sometimes buddy up to patients, but if the relationship is caught, they are transferred really fast.

All of these folks see all sorts of things, way beyond mood swings and identity instability, let alone dissociation, which is fucking indistinguishable from perfectly typical dissociation. I mean, I've seen a third-trimester pregnant woman climb on top of a lunch table and scream that the floor was on fire because Satan was trying to kill her baby from God. When I asked what she had, do you know what they said? NOTHING. Just like the fucking ultrasound technician cannot tell you you're pregnant or not, none of these staffers can speculate or diagnose any mental health disorder.



I agree. She also had a traumatic brain injury, and to hear it like she says her family tells it, that is a point where she started having severe problems.



This is precisely how it goes. There can be differences from hospital to hospital, of course, but the general procedure is the same. For a short period of time, they give you medical care - again, not without treatment - and once you're coherent, a process to get you admitted to a psychiatric hospital or released starts.



Bingo. A doctor won't even diagnose bipolar disorder right away. These diagnoses take observation of your behavior. And as I said above, they absolutely do not make suggestions of what it "could be" as doctors, let alone as nurses. The way she describes her experience, it sounds like talking to a therapist, as they are the only ones in my experience to make stupid suggestions like, "It sounds like you have depression," when you've spoken to them for 15 minutes.



Yep, exactly. It's all a fucking lie.



LCSW's actually cannot diagnose mental illnesses in the US.

According to NAMI, the following roles are trained to evaluate, recognize, and thus, diagnose a mental illness (and can usually prescribe medication):

• Psychologists (can only prescribe medication in Illinois, New Mexico, Louisiana, in the military, and the Indian Health Service)
• Psychiatrists
• Psychiatric Or Mental Health Nurse Practitioners (in most states, requires supervision/sign off of a psychiatrist)
• Primary Care Physicians (which can mean an OBGYN, which believe me is fucking ridiculous)
• Family Nurse Practitioners
• Psychiatric Pharmacists
• Pastoral Counselors (wtf?)

Social workers, therapists, clinicians, and counselors can assist in assessing mental health conditions. What does this means? It means they can evaluate you and refer you to a licensed physician. And this is exactly what they are supposed to do. Most people who go to therapy just need to talk about their feelings. If you go in there needing a diagnosis, they do one of two things: share your case with a supervising psychiatrist or psychologist at their practice (fairly common these days, even better help has them), or if it's beyond what they are trained to help assess, they refer you to a psychiatrist and you don't carry a folder with their thoughts on what they've observed, it gets sent directly to the doctor.



Oddly, Dr. Valerie Hawes is a consulting forensic psychiatrist. She has a chapter in a book called Treating Personality Disorder (ISBN 978-0415404808 ), and all of her reference cases are from the justice system, as her title would imply. It seems odd to me that she would be the supervising psychiatrist at a private mental health center, and yet every reference case she uses is from someone she saw who was jailed or in prison.

Also from her chapter:



In her own words, she says that several interviews are necessary to make even a judgement about diagnosis, let alone a final diagnosis. This absolutely does not align with this idea of a 4 hour assessment for a diagnosis. I also can't seem to find any literature or interviews from her regarding The Potter Centre, it seems to absolutely run by Dr. Remy Aquarone, and I'm failing to see how Dr. Hawes is involved at all, other than on paper.

Aside from the fact that this assessment is clearly biased and lacks the proper data point depth necessary to determine cause and severity of symptoms that are self-reported, 60% being found to have DID, when that's the rarest of the spectrum of dissociate disorders is patently absurd. The majority of people suffering from dissociative events likely have either co-morbid low spectrum dissociative disorders, like depersonalization disorder and something like bpd, or c-ptsd. Or Malingering/Factitious/Histrionic Disorders



Chloe is not in therapy, and I believe she's mentioned that specifically, but then sometimes she talks about therapy in a strange disconnected way that feels like a fictional monologue like I've seen friends perform in improv classes.

This is a highly informative post that serves as a neatly organized summary of exactly why Chloe and her whole YouTube LARPing is (pardon the phrase)
*~Problematic~*

This post should go in the OP as an addendum. Excellent job @heterotic

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Well, something doesn't quite line up here. So, which one is it Chloe? Wonder if the first one was made after she realized a flaw in her logic since she likely wasn't abused as a child so she changed it to trauma to cover herself from potential questioning of the validity of her disorder.



Actually, to Chloe, Chloe isn't only fake, she's dead. After she integrated and became Nin, Chloe fucking died, or at least everyone treated her like she did. (Has anyone else pointed out how similar Nan's and Nin's names are. Wonder if it was intentional?)

Lolcows are the best when they're seasoned with hilariously glaring contradictions.

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Okay. I'm 25 pages in, and this thread is WILD. You got a mental illness larper trying her best to keep track of all 9001 of her "Alters" on YouTube. For what purpose? I guess the generic and obvious answer is attention, but I also speculate (for the 25 pages I've read so far) that she wants to get an in with the mental illness community, portraying herself as some STUNNING and BRAVE icon for personality disorders. The switches are cringe, especially Nan's. SPEAKING OF Nan - that sneeze fetish art is genuinely one of the most bizarre depictions I've seen, which I would rank up there with those car-fucking dragon images from so many years ago. And I haven't even begun to uncover how they were exposed as a confirmed kid diddler.

I need a break. Definitely going to continue combing through this atrocity for sure. Great find @comrade666, definitely a break-through thread.