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What difference does the pandemic cause compared to before? I doubt social distancing will cause more overdoses than usual, or even suicides (unless you work in the stock market).

Scary new virus that nobody was prepared for, unemployment, food lines, supply shortages, thousands of people dying, looming economic depression, forced isolation ...

But sure, there's no reason or motivation whatsoever for there to be an increase in substance abuse. /sarcasm

This must be hell for some recovering addicts. I bet that relapses are up, too.
 
so is the virus actually as bad as people say it is or is it not that deadly? its pretty confusing to me when the media keeps changing its mind like they were talking about needing more ventilators but now they are not needed and damage lung tissue. whatever the case im sick of staying at home.

its roughly a 10% kill rate if you're infected, the problem is people are claiming you only get tested if its bad enough for you to need to be tested and its a sub >1% rate if you include everyone that ever had it. but the numbers as they stand show that basically if you're over 50 its a 1 in 5 shot of dying from getting it. and if you're over 70 its about 1 in 4. and if you don't die from it there is still the trauma from being put on a ventilator and brain damage and all sorts of other effects this has if you survive.

And we're going to see with Sweden what happens if you do follow through with the herd immunity, but right now it looks like a Logan's Run esque demolishing of the over 50 population. I know people are saying "fuck grandma" but in the white communities 50 is still mom age, not grandma age. and most everything is run by someone over 50. 15% of congress is under 50. and everyone over 50 dying means the western world ends up being as well run as your average college. the most conservative major city would be Portland Oregon. There would also be a shitload of orphans because white women seem to only have kids in their 40s nowadays.


Scary new virus that nobody was prepared for, unemployment, food lines, supply shortages, thousands of people dying, looming economic depression, forced isolation ...

But sure, there's no reason or motivation whatsoever for there to be an increase in substance abuse. /sarcasm

This must be hell for some recovering addicts. I bet that relapses are up, too.
yep, this virus is causing tons of despair and people are doing whatever to keep themselves happy. All the AA and NA and social worker groups are all canceled now too.

And its probably even harder to find good dealers. And its rather telling that people are bouncing off the walls, yet the earliest states are getting ready to open back up is two weeks from now
 
Welp. It is now official. Telecoms have been selling of phone's geolocation data for a while now. No this is not google's app, I'm saying they're making a study because they bought the geolocation data that THE TELECOMS HAD ALREADY BEEN SELLING WORLDWIDE FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG NOW. Welcome to hell. I just got the news from the TV.
 
Welp. It is now official. Telecoms have been selling of phone's geolocation data for a while now. No this is not google's app, I'm saying they're making a study because they bought the geolocation data that THE TELECOMS HAD ALREADY BEEN SELLING WORLDWIDE FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG NOW. Welcome to hell. I just got the news from the TV.

Shit like this is exactly why I never wanted a smartphone in the first place. It took several years for me to get one, and the only reason why I got one was because the family plan I was a part of made it infinitely more expensive for me to keep a dumbphone while everyone else wanted a smart phone.

I miss my dumbphone. Badly.

I wish I could say that any of this surprises me ... But it doesn't. We all kinda knew that shit like this has been happening, right?
 
How do people manage to not have an attack watching the news every morning? I swear usually I get news from my loved ones, xcept the gov livestreams and social media response I check to inform ya. Today I'm taking a study and relax day cause I gotta get up to date with that shit, so I decided to check the news with breakfast. Worst decision I've taken in a while! Aside from how they just brushed off that bit of news like "oh yeah look how cool it is that they're making a study with geolocation data from multiple countries to see how people deal with lockdowns!" Like... wtf?! Aside from that they also defended censorship, displayed a massive amount of TDS, lied about america's situation, insulted greece after talking about how good they handled corona by saying "well they gotta get something right eventually" and comparing the country to "that kid in school that fails everything but gets good grades in PE", assholes. And went ahead and also glorified bill gates for supportint the WHO. But hey at least finally they admitted china lies, so silver fucking lining. I had to mute that shit and go do something else to relax. These fucks are vile! I mean, in STEM it's long since been a repeated joke to hate on journos, but fuck, it seems like we don't give them NEARLY as much shit as they deserve. Near the begining of the outbreak I checked like this some days and I swear they got temporarily better but fuuucking hell either they've gotten worse than usual or I am so glad I usually get most of my news online.

Edit: I checked social media. Some more news.

1-people are already giving these fucks shit about the greece comments. And I hope they never stop doing so. Like, I know I'm sure as shit not one to talk, I've given Germany way more undeserved shit than that (I mean, I hate Merkel and the EU but if anything Germans are some of the nicest tourists we get and I really don't have much bad things to say about them. Won't keep me from taking gratuituous shots at them every second though. That shit's fun.) But I'm just an online sperg. Seeing supposed NEWS ANCHORS take glee in putting one of spain's allies down like that, specially with the similarities between the two countries and how much history we got? And unlike me they don't shit on everyone else. I mean while Germany's my favourite target you've seen how quick I take potshots at most things. But nah, these fuckers gotta make an exception to twist the knife when talking about southern europe while having nothing but praise for the EU. Fuck that. I hope social media NEVER stops bugging them with this shit.

2-we got dead people. I mean. A lot more than usual. It's not new ones but as I told you there was a testing fuckup back when the residence fuckup also happened. And most communities had either none or just a few more, but Catalonia added more than 3000 and madrid another almost 1800. Fuuuuck that hurt. I think we past Italy again. I am glad at least we admit our fuckups and correct them, but shit.

3-CONTRACTS GOT AUTORENEWED. YES WE FUCKING DID IT. FUCK YES! Fuck the bastards that abandoned us! This shit's great!

4-after the fuckup by our expresident rajoi breaking quarantine people are memeing it to hell and back with the note by heathcare ministry claiming Autists are allowed to go out. Here's one of the pics:
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(Translation: note by healthcare ministry autists and mentally challenged individuals will be allowed to go out.)
 
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In order to counteract evil counterrevolutionary lies that the CCP is covering up the death toll, they've just bumped it up. By a nice, round number of 50%. They've literally multiplied the figure by 1.5 and said "Right. Now it's accurate. No more coverup here".

https://archive.vn/4dSiA

Authorities in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, have revised up the number of people killed by 1,290, a rise of 50 per cent.

The statement, released on state-run CCTV, insists that the revision is because of reporting issues from the start of the outbreak. Wuhan added 325 cases to its total of 50,333, while its revised death toll is now 3,869.

The city said that a surge of patients at the start of the outbreak caused a shortage of medical resources and treatment capacity, which meant that some patients did not go to hospital and died at home.

At the peak of the outbreak, authorities said, hospitals and medical staff were overwhelmed so there were some late or missed reports and some patients who died had been registered with incomplete details.

China’s move is likely to fuel speculation about the accuracy of its data, which has been questioned by President Donald Trump. American intelligence officials have concluded that China concealed the extent of its outbreak and under-reported the number of cases and deaths.

Last month, pictures of thousands of ash urns being ferried to funeral homes in Wuhan circulated on Chinese social media platforms, raising concern that the real number of deaths in the city where the virus emerged is higher than officially acknowledged.

China has refuted charges that it intentionally under-reported its numbers, saying that it shares what information it has transparently. But its repeated revisions of data throughout the crisis - including a one-day addition of nearly 15,000 cases diagnosed through a different clinical method in February - has fuelled mistrust.

While the revision marks a substantial surge, China’s new official death toll is still low compared to the US, where reported deaths have climbed past 30,000. In Italy and Spain, deaths number around 20,000 in each country.

Wuhan has suffered the vast majority of China's fatalities from the coronavirus. The revision brings the nationwide death toll to 4,636.
 
How do people manage to not have an attack watching the news every morning? I swear usually I get news from my loved ones, xcept the gov livestreams and social media response I check to inform ya. Today I'm taking a study and relax day cause I gotta get up to date with that shit, so I decided to check the news with breakfast. Worst decision I've taken in a while! Aside from how they just brushed off that bit of news like "oh yeah look how cool it is that they're making a study with geolocation data from multiple countries to see how people deal with lockdowns!" Like... wtf?! Aside from that they also defended censorship, displayed a massive amount of TDS, lied about america's situation, insulted greece after talking about how good they handled corona by saying "well they gotta get something right eventually" and comparing the country to "that kid in school that fails everything but gets good grades in PE", assholes. And went ahead and also glorified bill gates for supportint the WHO. But hey at least finally they admitted china lies, so silver fucking lining. I had to mute that shit and go do something else to relax. These fucks are vile! I mean, in STEM it's long since been a repeated joke to hate on journos, but fuck, it seems like we don't give them NEARLY as much shit as they deserve. Near the begining of the outbreak I checked like this some days and I swear they got temporarily better but fuuucking hell either they've gotten worse than usual or I am so glad I usually get most of my news online.
There's a pretty simple mindset to counter that
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Any funny examples? (like crayon and rock eating kinda stuff)

When I was a kid the "bad boys" of the school started sniffing chalk because apparently that's common in some prisons here in spain when they run out of drugs. When the typical anti-drug lesson came, explained by the PE teacher and he mentioned the brain damage one kid asked him if sniffing chalk caused brain damage. Motherfucking pro just went "nah, don't worry. If you sniff chalk it's already beyond repair to begin with." Later I checked and apparently indeed since chalk is common for the blackboards they use for organization some prisons had to go as far as replacing them with whiteboards to stop the chalk black market. Fucking hilarious.

Not being an autist helps. Have you tried replacing yours news with Sonic X reruns?

Have you tried better bait? We're not tumblr it takes more than that to trigger us.
 
These fucks are vile! I mean, in STEM it's long since been a repeated joke to hate on journos, but fuck, it seems like we don't give them NEARLY as much shit as they deserve.
God I wish we had that attitude here in the states. The combination of the "trust the system" mentality in school + Journos virtue-signal worshiping the idea of "scientists" that causes STEM'ers here to turn a blind eye to media horseshit.

When COVID first started coming around, I had some colleagues upset because people were blaming snakes as the vector and the media was *gasp* AIRING THOSE RUMORS! And I'm just casually trying to drop redpills about why the MSM is shit to no effect.
Then earlier this month it comes up again when their golden egg prized child NPR (government-funded propaganda) does an article basically defending seasonal snake massacres in Texas, and just the shock and horror that their beloved holy journalist class might share untrue information was entirely new again. But what's sad is I know my gentle redpills will be falling on deaf ears and I already await the next MSM clickbait horseshit that gets my biologist colleagues in a state of shock again

My biggest axe to grind with COVID reporting is the High-IQ "Ackachually" posters (usually white or asian males aged 25-40) who think that (current) deaths divided by (current) recoveries = mortality rate who come to shit up your online & social media posts with their galaxy-brained conclusions
 
What difference does the pandemic cause compared to before? I doubt social distancing will cause more overdoses than usual, or even suicides (unless you work in the stock market).
For one, thanks to narcan, it's become routine to save overdosed junkies. No EMTs available means more ODs end in death.
 
URGENT NEWS! Gov sent lab report of the masks bought from a USA biotech company. WARNING: THESE ARE CURRENTLY ALSO BEING SENT TO BURGERLAND PRACTITIONERS SINCE THEY STOPPED TRADE WITH EXTERIOR! They claim to be FFP2 (P95), they aren't! Test lab results say THEY SUCK COCK.

Now that I got whole story: basically these started being used alongside others with last package but lab results came after because apparently we're THAT desperate now. They suck dick! The PDF is part of the original study (which I guess should be public eventually. Whenever it winds up in the BOE) which was sent as an internal com to warn us to search for the ones that used it (I don't know why they bother waiting for it to wind up in the boe everyone knows we're leaking the fuck out of it anyway). Reason I'm saying urgent is remember than USA closed trade now and is using masks from, amongst others, these fucking idiots. THE MASKS SUCK. We're testing the people that used it for corona now. USA really needs to check that shit ASAP or it's gonna have infected practitioners soon enough.
 

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In Canada land parliament is on FIRE and the Conservatives are ripping the Liberal stimulus proposal apart.
The lack of testing, mismanaged criteria for small businesses to acquire loans, and the extension of the lock-down is really getting tense in the house. They decided to extend the lock down in Ontario BY ANOTHER 28 DAYS. Ontario is the second worst hit province in the country, and the Federal projections of death where actually way lower than the real figures that came out; It is tearing through our nursing homes currently, IS CANADA FLATTING THE CURVE? Testing in Ontario has been abysmal, but thankfully they approved the Spartan COVID-19 tests with in the last week or so, so very soon we are going to see a huge up-peak in testing. Right now they are only giving these quick tests in the hospital to medical staff, and any incoming patients. The incoming patient thing is accendotal, my aunt just had surgery this week, and ended up getting the quick 15 minute COVID test before surgery. The community I am in so far has seemed to respect the social distancing protcols, businesses are still shut down, lines at the grocery store now have the 2 meter distance rule, and lines at the LCBO are memetastic that the lines are so fucking long it is insane.
Here is another favourite video of mine that Pierre fucking grilled Freeland over the handling of the intelligence, she in typical exceptional fashion dodged the question.

WE'VE HAD OUR OWN PROTESTS OVER THE WEEKEND and most of the people are being called conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers; Despite that some of the points demonstrated about the lock downs are some what valid. Though, the social distancing orders are enforced, and the RCMP and OPP have been fining people for breaking the rules in my province. Ford has handled this crisis the most adequately I would have to say, and I am looking forward to the eventual lifting of these restrictions with in the next couple of months. A lot of the ministers seem hesitant on jumping the gun or quarantine, but it seems to me that from the trends in the infection rate and death rate, safe to say that May is going to be Canada's peak. Testing as stated earlier has been fucking brutal, and it is super difficult to get a test STILL in Ontario. It takes an average of 5-7 days to get your test results back under the current model, hence our remarkably convenient low infection rate. Our infection and death rate obviously will not mirror the US by a long shot, because our population density, also we implemented our lock down measures a week or two earlier than the US. Still I would like to see testing ramped up and the eventual end to this lock-down so I can go back to work.

A lot of people are very angry at the prime minister because his handling of the situation has been poor. Our populace has been watching the American's response in shock, but people in Canada don't understand the vastness of the US, let alone he whole notion of "civil liberties," because our constitution and charter mirrors the bill of rights in certain aspects, but freedoms are limited in Canada. Our politicians by the day are getting called out now by being China-com shills and safe the say this virus has united the right more than ever. Also I see that our take on the hybrid social-capitalist system being some what changed after the Trudeau administration has committed it's terror. I still wish the opposition took their opportunity to take a vote of no confidence, but I think they are just letting Trudeau keep burying his own grave at this point. I wish this Pierre guy was going for the conservative party lead opposed to Sheer, Sheer is such a fucking idiot. If anything the name Trudeau will go down as the darkest era in Canadian history, as much as I despised Harper's dopiness and neo-con tendencies, and China cock sucking. He makes Harper era look like the golden age, despite how much of the China infiltration and resource extraction they have taken from our country. The Health Minister by the day looks worse and is losing credibility more and more, and considering COVID blew up in the nursing homes the way it did, it's safe to say that her position needs to be challenged, and changed for A REAL DOCTOR. All things aside, I am now going to go back in the other COVID thread to rip on Drain doomer train sperg some more, hope his fat ass comes back in for more humor.
 
Haven't a lot of people from New York done that?
I was going to wait until things went back to normal but Cuomo screwing us over made it my primary goal, to GTFO as soon as I can.
Shit like this is exactly why I never wanted a smartphone in the first place. It took several years for me to get one, and the only reason why I got one was because the family plan I was a part of made it infinitely more expensive for me to keep a dumbphone while everyone else wanted a smart phone.

I miss my dumbphone. Badly.

I wish I could say that any of this surprises me ... But it doesn't. We all kinda knew that shit like this has been happening, right?
Same here, I have to look for a phone i can root.
 
One of the saddest things about this pandemic is that Guardian journalists are really suffering

https://archive.vn/wip/fpuJf

In Ernest Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises, Mike Campbell is asked how he went bankrupt. “Two ways,” he replies. “Gradually and then suddenly.”

Mike is Scottish, which is something else we have in common.

The other thing? His way with words. Of course. And then there’s his way with money.

You're as good with words as Hemingway? Are you sure about that?

I was almost, nearly, just about managing – not least because there was hope. Hope that a show I’ve written – about the teenage children of the super-rich, ironically enough – might get a green light. Hope that other ideas might get put into development somewhere. Hope that I might get into a writers’ room on someone else’s show. Hope that a play I’ve written might catch the eye of a theatre. Now though, TV production and theatre are in short supply. Hope is in short supply. They say that it’s the hope that kills you in the end. I’d say that despair is also pretty lethal. Just when you’re making ends meet, someone moves the ends.

I don't know how the media will survive without this guy. We'll be so much poorer as a society without shows about teenage children of the super-rich. If Hemingway were alive today he might be writing dramas like that, but people would still be talking about them a hundred years later. I bet everything this guy produced is the TV equivalent of popcorn.

Also, the self-pitying tone of this article reminds me of this

https://archive.vn/dJB6K

"Second Class Male" and "Time to Go" were a series of 12 spoof newspaper columns written by Chris Morris and Robert Katz under the pseudonym Richard Geefe in The Observer in 1999.

"Second Class Male" was a feature column written by a handsome though ineffectual sort who has a lack of luck in life. After the sixth article, the writer of the column decides that on a certain date he will commit suicide, and the rest of his columns, retitled "Time To Go", will be written about the state of mind of someone knowing they are going to die on a particular date. The last article, consisting of accounts by Geefe's dinner party guests on the night of his death, was published after Morris's co-authorship had been revealed.

The articles were presented as fact and not as a Chris Morris production, although the premise was very similar to a monologue from his Blue Jam radio programme, titled "Suicide Journalist" on the Blue Jam compilation CD. The last pseudonymous column included a man speared by frozen urine and a suicide by repeated jumps from a first floor window, both situations from earlier work by Morris.

The series attacked what some saw as the self-absorption of columnists writing about personal and domestic matters, and the quasi-fashion for columns about dying typified by those written by John Diamond and Ruth Picardie. [1]

You can read the Geefe columns here. They are very funny.

https://archive.vn/28KI5

It's the bloody book that's done it. The moment I croak, these columns will be on sale for £16.99 a pop to a lot of people who've already read them. But in order to catch the Christmas rush, the publisher needs all copy by the end of August. So I am having to write the end of my life now - committing myself to what I'll be doing, how I will feel about it, and my exact method of blapping my lulu. It's driving me nuts.

Of course, I could make it up, but then I might as well lie about my suicide, too, and stay alive. What the hell would be the point of that? The whole idea of Time to Go is that I kill myself. Otherwise, all this writing will be quite valueless.

I've also rejected the idea of giving scripts to friends to make them say what I'd said they said. So I've been trying to predict what my life will actually be like then. My first thought was that I'll be utterly suicidal. I imagined the dreadful day when I can no longer derive the faintest pleasure from my Paul Smith polished berunia condom applicator.

But, then again, I might be rapturously anticipating my life as a sunbeam, singing tra-las to the season of mists and kissing the pates of the ludicrous. Or what if I've been run over, pierced by a spear of frozen piss from a passing airliner, or stabbed by one of The Observer weirdos who've set up a daily Geefe vigil in the pub on the corner?
 
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Fraser Nelson on the government's lack of an exit strategy

https://archive.vn/QhdV6

I mentioned last week that one set of internal government models suggested a figure of 150,000 avoidable non-Covid deaths as a result of the disruption. Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, has since said that the figure is ‘wrong’ – perhaps so, most models are, but the principle holds good. And, now, hard data is giving renewed cause for concern.

In the week ending 3 April, there were 6,080 ‘excess deaths’ in England and Wales – that is to say, more people died than the five-year average for that week. An analysis by Edge Health, which gathers data for NHS Trusts, shows that one third of these deaths cannot be attributed to Covid.

What’s going on? It might be under-reporting of infections. Or it might be people staying away from hospital and getting a lot sicker as a result. In the last three weeks of March, admittances for emergency treatment plunged to half normal levels, as did those presenting for heart complaints.

It is, of course, wrong to read too much into a few weeks’ worth of data. It’s also wrong, when faced with such data, not to ask whether a non-Covid public health crisis might be emerging in front of our eyes.

One fairly obvious alternative to mandatory lockdown is moving to a Swedish-style system of consent: asking people to be careful, rather than sending the police after them. Stefan Löfven, its Prime Minister, refers to his strategy as folkvett - people’s wit, or common sense. It works. Travel within Sweden to popular holiday resorts was down 94 per cent over Easter weekend. Stockholm’s streets have gone from quiet to near- deserted. Swedes are taking care because they want to, not because they fear what punishment awaits them if they don’t.

This is not one of the options being discussed in Cabinet, but it’s an obvious next step. Might a country that raised 750,000 NHS volunteers be trusted to observe social distancing without the local constabulary chasing them? Primary schools could reopen first. Boris Johnson went late into lockdown because he thought police coercion would not last long. But by urging caution, and asking for trust and allowing flexibility, he might end up with a more enduring fix.

The Mail mentions the same figure but it quotes Nelson who 'did not reveal his source'

https://archive.vn/vyqkl

Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator and political columnist for The Daily Telegraph, revealed the stark 150,000 figure today. He did not reveal his source.

Hmm. So we're supposed to take it on trust that he has a government source, that source has a model and that model is sane. Even though the government has said it's not. I normally like Nelson but this is absurd. You can't take a figure like 150K deaths on trust without seeing the methodology and without seeing the methodology you should regard it as bullshit.

Without knowing the best case/median case/worst case figure for deaths with and without the lockdown it is impossible to know whether the lockdown is the right policy.
 
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Welp. It is now official. Telecoms have been selling of phone's geolocation data for a while now. No this is not google's app, I'm saying they're making a study because they bought the geolocation data that THE TELECOMS HAD ALREADY BEEN SELLING WORLDWIDE FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG NOW. Welcome to hell. I just got the news from the TV.
Shit like this is exactly why I never wanted a smartphone in the first place. It took several years for me to get one, and the only reason why I got one was because the family plan I was a part of made it infinitely more expensive for me to keep a dumbphone while everyone else wanted a smart phone.

I miss my dumbphone. Badly.

I wish I could say that any of this surprises me ... But it doesn't. We all kinda knew that shit like this has been happening, right?

Yes, telecoms have been selling location data forever: http://archive.li/v8Nee

You don’t even need to have that data sold by the telecoms to have it tracked though, because there are plenty of third party companies that tap into the location data accessed by apps on phones: http://archive.li/Ag8a1
 
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