Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[RikkuR]

Many have said it before me but I've also talked to a few mental healthcare professionals who agree that most people who claim to have DID actually have BPD. It's a much "prettier" and "cooler" disorder to have and it helps give them an excuse for all their shitty behavior. Most people with BPD will adamantly deny having it, so Chloe saying on the video with Nan that she definitely doesn't have BPD was hilarious.

I was led here by wondering how the f*** people seemed to be buying her story.

I only recently saw some of Chloe's videos after seeing her on Anthony Padilla's channel, she really shouldn't have dared to try to get her name out to such a wide audience. She's unbelievably cocky if she thought she would be able to fool the general public the way she does her cult-like followers.

There were quite a few red flags for me when I started watching Chloe's videos, one of the largest being that she always has a definitive answer for every question, like what? Anyone with any small modicum of knowledge on how complex mental disorders are, especially something like DID would never claim to know every answer.

Another huge red flag was how she set the stage for being able to claim whatever "trauma" she wanted by saying that trauma can be anything and for some people even a small issue can be something that causes "trauma". Way to twist things there Chloe. Lol, so when it comes out that she was denied a toy and that was the root of her "trauma", no one will be able to question her.

And yet another red flag, the way she described her "alters", lol. Weird details on how they look, the exact roles they play, the different races, etc. That's not how the human brain works honey, that's how a childish cluster B person would make up "personalities" to suit the life story they want to weave for themselves.

She performs the same way cult leaders do, it's scary. She sets the stage with mis-information that suits her motives and in a way that she can twist everything to suit her agenda/narrative. And then retreats as a victim when things hit the fan. She's so good at manipulation because she plays the poor innocent victim role really well, and a lot of people believe her.

Those college chat room logs were very revealing, that's a more realistic glimpse into the true Chloe than anything she's put on her channel. Attention seeking, self centered, impulsive and non-interested in anything that doesn't have to do with herself.

She's doomed no matter what she tries to pull now, too many people see through her and ones that maybe didn't before are now skeptical of her.

Good work guys!

 

[Cooking Mama]

The mods over at /r/DissociaDID are heavily censoring anything to do with this thread, as well as attempting to "debunk" our scepticism over Chloe's autistic larping. The original post questioning Chloe has been memory holed but the archive allows you to see the mod's reply and the comments.

https://archive.li/2DFKU

i'm not a very engaged viewer of hers

This, coming from a mod of Chloe’s subreddit. Then why are you modding a sub dedicated to someone you don’t really watch?

 

[i’m gettin switchy]

Christ, that mod borders on illiterate. I couldn't get through the first two replies - what are they trying to say? The facts remain the facts - Chloe lied about her expulsion for sympathy and money.

With all those spelling errors, I highly doubt this mod is a “biomedical science graduate”. And the disorder’s existence isn’t disputed because “everything in science is disputed and isn’t 100%”. It’s disputed because there isn’t much research, specifically credible research, on the disorder. Scientists disagree all the time of course, but not on widely researched matters and not in the way they disagree about DID. And how the fuck would you know that it’s impossible to fake, when there is a deficit of research?

 

[Shriek the Ogre]

I found a paper where (it's possible) some of these DIDtubers got their stories of "inner worlds" and all these alters appearing from. I found it referenced in a book about EMDR (a treatment I believe I remember Nan saying she got at one point but didn't work for her). The book was a bit... wacky. At one point it referred to "psychic structures and identity" and that wording alone got me looking into the book's sources. So take this source with a grain of salt, it is written by someone with a PhD, it's academic, but its contents....... read for yourself, but it might be where some of these new age DIDers are getting their info. I have my doubts Chloe stumbled onto this specifically, it's possible, but I would bet someone in the community stumbled upon this (or something like it), and it was twisted over the years. I will link to the paper, quote relevant parts in "spoilers," but here is the gist:

"Inner worlds" as they're called now can be created together GUIDED by a therapist--but they're not so cohesive as Chloe portrays. They're functional, and specific to what a fragment might need, so it mentions, on the lighter end of things, maybe a person just needs a relaxing garden to calm down in. On the more heavy handed side of things, it sounds like a therapist could encourage someone to create whole characters, such as caretakers for the child fragments (sound familiar?), and whole back stories that begin to sound like what Nan and Chloe are weaving. The logic is, if a person can dissociate, if a person can seemingly re-live traumatic memories that are just that, memories, but fully believe they're reoccuring, they can also create positive things which they can believe (to the same extent) are real and occurring. It can involve creating motherly or caretaker role-filling characters which care for (already existing) child fragments, or creating a therapist setting within the mind as a place to safely speak about anxieties and worries, or more heavy things like trauma. I liken this all to (if you'll bear with me for a cheesy metaphor) if someone who survived extreme trauma's life could be represented by a painting that's all black, painting stars on it, so it's not just a scary black background, but a night sky with beautiful twinkling stars. I think this is the optimistic view of it, but I can also see it as was mentioned earlier in this thread, akin to telling a bipolar to enjoy their highs. I'm not sure I have a place to speak on clinically set coping mechanisms, however.

So, the issue becomes not whether "inner worlds" exist--and I'm NOT here to claim that, just for the sake of argument, say we said with this article that YES they exist--they take time to develop in therapy, and they happen AFTER a person has uncovered the fragments, or specific pieces of trauma that need a specific "vizualized" coping mechanism, which will be then developed, as I said, together with the therapist. This supports that there's NO FUCKING WAY Chloe popped out of Pottergate with 18 alters (or whatever it was at the time) and a full blown mansion with a forest and creepy dungeon basement. She would have already been in therapy for years.

Here's the paper, below is a relevant portion (note: I didn't read the whole paper, I stopped after this, a little weirded out. Feel free to comb through the rest)

Spoiler: wall of text

Another use of”therapeutic dissociation” is to employ techniques derived from clinical hypnosis and behavioral medicine for calming the mind and body. Perhaps the best known of these techniques is the creation of an imaginative inner Safe Place, a place where the danger and pain currently overwhelming the patient could never occur. Because dissociation involves an alteration in consciousness, dissociative disorder patients are always in a mild state of hypnotic trance, and for them, therefore, “trance logic” prevails. If they can believe that a flashback is an actual re-occurrence of past trauma, not just a re-experiencing of it, then they can easily believe in a safe place inside them: an “inside” therapist’s office, a place in nature where they could feel completely and absolutely safe, or a place where they once experienced the sense of safety. “Annie,” the teacher, created several different kinds of safe places for different combinations of young child parts and older child or teenage caretakers: some were in nature, some at her home, and one was a school playground. More recently, she has began to create a Safe House with different kinds of rooms for different ages and groups, including a group therapy room and a room in which her therapist could be present for children in distress. Notice that therapeutic dissociation allows the patient to visualize not only safe places but also caretaking figures who can provide imaginatively provide soothing and reassurance.

Yet another use of therapeutic dissociation involves calling on more competent or more adult states of mind to help with the tasks and challenges of adult life. This approach is very helpful if the Adult Self is becoming depleted by the internal struggles, post-traumatic symptoms, and unsafe sequelae. For example, Annie was overwhelmed by a number of challenges in her teaching job: how to get through an eight-hour day, especially on days when the insolence of her eighth grade students or the authoritarian manner of her principal triggered traumatized child parts. Invoking trance logic, she was asked to identify those parts of self who liked the teaching job or were not easily intimidated or were good at being healthily assertive or had competencies that might useful in a school setting. Then she was helped to visualize a “teaching team” composed of herself and three parts of self: a self-assertive, unflappable 18-year-old, a “teacher” part (that aspect of her that had sailed through her Master’s program), and a “Neighborhood Mom,” that part of her who had baked cookies and car-pooled and caught tadpoles with many of the same 8th graders when they were young children growing in her neighborhood with her own two sons. Once she caught on to the image of being able to share the load of the teaching job with these functional, competent parts of herself, the job began to seem a little more manageable. Remembering the rule that “the system was designed for survival, not destruction” will help to remind the therapist that there are always internal resources of which a depleted Adult Self may not be aware. Since the patient is only aware of the states or parts of the mind she is experiencing right now (and those are usually overwhelmed, frightened or angry), it is crucial for the therapist to remember to help her call on all the rich resources she has internally available to her.

 

[Cooking Mama]

I highly doubt this mod is a “biomedical science graduate”

Hey now, one of their alters might totally be a biomed graduate.

 

[Maw]

At the very least, they would all be at least somewhat relative to the host and the trauma (e.g. one that protects, a companion that shares the age the host experienced the trauma, etc), I really can't fathom how a werecat (whatever the fuck that is) character could help a childhood trauma victim, especially when such an alter just randomly appears during the "host's" adulthood. It all reads like fanfiction. Which sucks, because when I stumbled upon the phenomenon it sounded really interesting and now I'm just embarrassed that I ever entertained the idea that these YouTubers were being sincere.

This isn’t true. DID is a very real disorder and it can cause severe issues. Power level but I had very severe DID 2 years ago that caused me to lose all functionality. The main alter I had was a black woman named Latoya. I’d lose all memory and wake up the next day with a bunch of stolen stuff in my living room. I had woken up in jail several times before for short periods due to Latoya’s gang activity and every single time we’d end in jail she’d be like “I ain’t got time fo dihh shit” and clock out making one of the other alters serve the time for her crimes.

She stressed the rest of us out so much that we split and made another alter, Ahmed. His favorite activity was buying tickets for long distance plane trips.

Therapy never helped me and I had to get our local priest to exorcise Latoya away after she robbed our local liquor store. She repeatedly called him rayray during that process and then my DID was all over once she said she “didn’t have time for his bullshit no moe”. Ahmad left too. I think he joined ISIS.

 

[heterotic]

I found it referenced in a book about EMDR (a treatment I believe I remember Nan saying she got at one point but didn't work for her).

No idea what book this is, but EMDR has an 80% success rate of helping patients recover from PTSD. Some studies with childhood trauma in particular have a 90% and even 100% success rate. Everyone I know that has had EMDR highly recommends it, to the point of saying it saved their lives.

This is more obnoxious bullshit.

 

[Ryanstartedthefire]

ETA: The intro to each video is the same and it might appear they're repeats until you skip the gross intro.

Spoiler: SaniTEA Mental Health Podcast With DissociaDID & Team Piñata!

Spoiler: Welcome to SaniTEA! Mental Health Podcast with DissociaDID & Team Piñata

Spoiler: DEPRESSION Nin & Nan SaniTEA Season 1 Episode 1

Spoiler: ANXIETY Jeremy & Nin SaniTEA Season 1 Episode 2

Spoiler: PTSD Kyle & Jeremy SaniTEA Season 1 Episode 3

Spoiler: BPD Borderline Personality Disorder Nin & Nan SaniTEA S1 Episode 4

Spoiler: DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER (DID) Nin & Jeremy SaniTEA S1 Episode 5

Spoiler: ADDICTION Nin & Riven SaniTEA Season 1 Episode 6

DEPERSONALISATION & DEREALISATION Nin & Jeremy SaniTEA Season 1 Ep 7

MULTIPLICITY&ME & THERAPY Nin, Jeremy & Jake SaniTEA Season 1 Episode 8

 

[Shriek the Ogre]

No idea what book this is, but EMDR has an 80% success rate of helping patients recover from PTSD. Some studies with childhood trauma in particular have a 90% and even 100% success rate. Everyone I know that has had EMDR highly recommends it, to the point of saying it saved their lives.

This is more obnoxious bullshit.

I'm glad to hear someone weigh in on this, I didn't know enough about it to know whether she was telling the truth or not (it was such a passing comment, I remember googling what it meant at the time but not going much further) but it figures it's another little clue hinting at her story's inconsistencies.

The book was called EMDR Solutions: Pathways to Healing. And to clarify, if I came off in my post as dismissive of EMDR, I didn't mean to be, only of the book as a credible source. It had another flag for me that was a vague line about how 15 years of therapy couldn't do what a few EMDR sessions could--it read to me like the book was trying to sell something, so I looked into some of the studies it cited rather than giving the book here, and stumbled across the one cited above. If you know anything about this book, let me know, as there was some other interesting and possibly relevant things about DID in the small preview I read in google books, such as DID trauma being exclusively from neglectful abuse before the age of 2.

 

[Pussyworth]

I can't help but wonder what the hell Nan is doing now that she's been exposed and chased off of the internet. Getting real help, one would hope.

 

[dog006]

I can't help but wonder what the hell Nan is doing now that she's been exposed and chased off of the internet. Getting real help, one would hope.

I'd imagine she's lurking here. It'd be impossible not to, at this point.

 

[RikkuR]

They seem to be pulling stuff out of their ass to fit whatever character / alter they came up with that week. It is all so painfully easy too. Can't make up details about your made-up trauma? Amnesia walls. Did you get the information you gave mixed up? Amnesia walls acting up again. Did you break character mid-video and acted like one of your "other" alters? Put a little text underneath saying it was them coming out for a millisecond. You dissociate and your alter starts talking without an ounce of surprise? Lie you were co-consious or say that you left post-its beforehand to let them know. You accidentally started baby-talking with your partner? Say you age-slided. You need to come up with new alters to keep people interested? Say alters can form in adulthood and also make up stuff about "fragment" alters. Is the alters you need to keep up with getting too much to handle or is your partner integrating, hence making things harder for your made-up alter couples? You integrate too.

Like. Give me a fucking break.

Lol, exactly. She's covered for everything, how convenient, it's the world's most convenient mental illness. Her constant insertion of text in her videos to explain everything was so contrived, it was so obvious she would think of it while editing the videos to try to make them more interesting. For someone with "amnesia walls" and memory issues she sure remember every single little detail when editing videos like "Distracted here, Nina was co-con, talking in my head"

Speaking of Nina, as others here have pointed out, that character is such an offensive portrayal of what Chloe thinks a sexual abuse victim/alter would act like.

If Chloe had any integrity at all, her next move would be to own up to what she's done and switch her channel to something she actually does have and start a BPD/Cluster B disorder channel.

The mods over at /r/DissociaDID are heavily censoring anything to do with this thread, as well as attempting to "debunk" our scepticism over Chloe's autistic larping.

https://archive.li/2DFKU

Do they not realize that just cements the fact that we are right and makes Chloe look guilty as sin? Lol, that and the fact that Chloe is pretending that she's on a social media break because she's hurt, yet she's been caught lurking on instagram and liking vapid pictures. She's just buying time to figure out her next move and waiting for the heat to die down. I bet the fact that she's missing out on all the potential new revenue she would have been making is killing her more than anything else right now.

 

[heterotic]

And to clarify, if I came off in my post as dismissive of EMDR, I didn't mean to be, only of the book as a credible source.

Nah, you weren't, I am just continually bothered by the BS that Nan and Chloe have muttered. EMDR is quite a successful tool in therapy, so to dismiss it so carelessly with the sizable audience Chloe has just discourages people with real trauma from seeking it. It could really help those people and they are just given this unsubstantiated account from Nan with no clarification that, even if it were true (unlikely), it is generally successful and that everyone should seek out every possible promising avenue to manage and treat their mental health. They just don't care about anyone's recovery, and that just hit a nerve.

 

[pd2jzutg2]

Bringing things back to Nina, since some people are getting it wrong and I thought it was discussed at length already: Nina was formed when Chloe was raped at some point between 2013 and 2018, likely in 2018 based on some of her tweets. Nina held no childhood abuse and Chloe never claimed she did. Yes her portrayal of “hypersexuality” is misinformed and the cute tumblr version, but it’s false to claim that Nina held childhood abuse and thus Chloe should be aware of it now. When they integrated, Chloe inherited the memories of the rape.

this isnt to defend Chloe, but rather prevent y’all from making dumb speculations based on misinformation

 

[comrade666]

I can't help but wonder what the hell Nan is doing now that she's been exposed and chased off of the internet. Getting real help, one would hope.

From what I'm hearing she's in contact with her family and laying low for the time being. I imagine if Chloe really has cut her off she's looking for another codependent relationship of some description to help her feel more stable. Sam is a likely contender - he has BPD himself, has been in touch with her recently, and has swung back into loving her after a few months of dragging her name through the dirt. BPD is utterly illogical.

Anyway - today marks two weeks since Chloe's s*u*i*c*i*d*e attempt. Her Twitter remains private but I think we'll be looking at a comeback in the next week or two. Keeping an eye on her social media.


In other news, Jess of Multiplicity and Me is currently claiming that she never actually supported 'Team Piñata' but waited for the facts - despite all that evidence being readily available here well before the tide turned on Nan. Jess has openly addressed this thread - she knew where it was. Now, she claims she doesn't support Nan, when days earlier she was deflecting the situation as 'drama' and waiting to move on. Jess would have happily said nothing and allowed Nan to pass freely back into the community. She can't seem to make a definitive statement on anything until the mass majority turn. Right now, she's deflecting from answering critically about Chloe's various ethnics from a 'system' with a black disabled man in a Native American body.

As long as these people remain cryptic they can quite easily claim that they were on the right side 'behind the scenes' and escape ever having to take a definitive stance. What exactly is wrong with saying you don't think a white English girl is Pocahontas reborn - must it be this complicated? Are you scared of losing the hive mind support? What exactly would have been the problem with stating that you didn't approve of Nan's conduct once you'd established the facts rather than waiting for the rest of the community to hold your hand?

This type of attitude is why the mental health community is such a colossal fuck up - rabid fans and spineless influencers make it impossible to address the rot. This is the problem with the everyone is valid mindset. Whilst I'm using Jess as an example as her answers are quite telling, this is a problem with every DIDtuber who said nothing until the tide of mass majority turned.

She also mentions that Dr Roger Wesby sat in on her diagnosis at Pottergate. He has been a guest lecturer at UEA from what I can gather. There are a few Roger Wesby results from a brief google search - if anyone plans to conduct their own research then be sure you've got the right one before bringing it to thread.

 

[Supreme Autist]

I see a pattern here. If someone questions you on something claim that u have evidence against it. But since it's private you won't show. and it's RUDE to even ask. If everyone is valid------> KIWI FARMS IS VALID

Also a mild electric chair seems to make cluster B (in this case borderline) a little less batshit crazy. http://medcraveonline.com/JPCPY/JPCPY-06-00411.pdf

As long as these people remain cryptic they can quite easily claim that they were on the right side 'behind the scenes' and escape ever having to take a definitive stance. What exactly is wrong with saying you don't think a white English girl is Pocahontas reborn - must it be this complicated? Are you scared of losing the hive mind support? What exactly would have been the problem with stating that you didn't approve of Nan's conduct once you'd established the facts rather than waiting for the rest of the community to hold your hand?

@charlivalid

Spoiler: reasoning

OK with that reasoning I want to report @comrade666 for stealing my TV. I can't describe the TV cause amnesia barriers. Also what proof you have they did not steal it.
And @Cooking Mama for stealing my car. Again can't describe the car, cause amnesia. And mama has no evidence that she has not stolen it.
So just hand over whatever they have.

 

[rot]

She also mentions that Dr Roger Wesby sat in on her diagnosis at Pottergate. He has been a guest lecturer at UEA from what I can gather. There are a few Roger Wesby results from a brief google search - if anyone plans to conduct their own research then be sure you've got the right one before bringing it to thread.

Is there any more information about the date of this guest lecture and the topic? (such as, you know, DID?)

and a bit off topic, but it says he is a psychotherapy tutor, so not someone who would be able to make (or "stamp") a diagnosis.

 

[Joker 1940]

Comrade, I don’t think it’s fair to say that about Jess. J confronted Nan when rumours popped up (hard to tell though when she first found out about it) but as she said, she did it privately.
Jess (or someone in the system, I don’t know who) talked about it and they strongly condemned Piñata but I think they said that it is very serious to accuse someone of CP in any way which is why they wanted to be absolutely sure before publicly addressing it. To me that’s the right way to go about it.

They’ve also been vocal about their problems with DissociaDID long before this happened and made firm statements about them.

I also think it’s noteworthy that J actually went through CSA and suffers from PTSD, she‘s going through trauma therapy and she got back on her meds because of the anxiety of going through all of these things again. Do you really blame her for not wanting to address a subject that is reminiscent of her abuse or perhaps triggering/whatever?

 

[Ohnohalp]

and a bit off topic, but it says he is a psychotherapy tutor, so not someone who would be able to make (or "stamp") a diagnosis.

Actually he's a MRCPsych, basically he is a Psychiatrist (and a consultant one at that at Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust - consultant is the highest you can go in medicine), he just happens to teach on a psychotherapy course. So yes, he is able to make that diagnosis.

 

[comrade666]

Is there any more information about the date of this guest lecture and the topic? (such as, you know, DID?)

and a bit off topic, but it says he is a psychotherapy tutor, so not someone who would be able to make (or "stamp") a diagnosis.

He was listed on the UEA website here and they linked to a paper he contributed to.
Improving Medical Student Placements in Psychiatry: Review of Literature And A Practical Example

Comrade, I don’t think it’s fair to say that about Jess. J confronted Nan when rumours popped up (hard to tell though when she first found out about it) but as she said, she did it privately.
Jess (or someone in the system, I don’t know who) talked about it and they strongly condemned Piñata but I think they said that it is very serious to accuse someone of CP in any way which is why they wanted to be absolutely sure before publicly addressing it. To me that’s the right way to go about it.

They’ve also been vocal about their problems with DissociaDID long before this happened and made firm statements about them.

I also think it’s noteworthy that J actually went through CSA and suffers from PTSD, she‘s going through trauma therapy and she got back on her meds because of the anxiety of going through all of these things again. Do you really blame her for not wanting to address a subject that is reminiscent of her abuse or perhaps triggering/whatever?

Firstly, you can quote to reply rather than throwing out untagged usernames and hoping someone responds.

Secondly, I don't believe that DID exists in the way that any of these people claim - Jess included. So, when I refer to Jess and her actions, I refer to Jess, regardless as to which alter she is using to deliver that particular message. I won't humour you with your 'or someone in the system' shit. Jess is Jess, deluded, malingering, who knows? Regardless, Jess.

What proof is there that she confronted Nan? She didn't even claim that she had. She simply stated that she spoke with 'other systems'. And even if she did privately confront Nan, she said nothing publicly and even contributed to the it's just drama narrative. Which in itself is the problem. She would have allowed a potential pedophile to continue having access to a community of vulnerable people because condemning the actions of another influencer publicly is unthinkable to these people. Nan being a potential threat was 'drama' to her. She valued her popularity within the community over having the balls to voice her opinion - that is if she even cared that Nan was a risk in the first place which is doubtful considering her lack of response.

Show me the evidence of Jess making firm statements about DissociaDID prior to recent 'drama'.

Do I really blame her for not wanting to address the subject? Yes. She chose this public platform.