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This was my experience with the media:

Media: hi! Today we are with otterly who has cured death
O: lol no.
M: so tell us how you cured death!
O: we havent cured death. We’ve pioneered a genetically targeted regime that increases average survival in this patient group from 4 years to over fifteen, meaning they get longer with their families and some die of old age before disease
M: So you’ve cured death? They aren’t dying!
O: they die, just later.
M: Death! Cured! When will it be available for all? Can we live to a thousand?
O: are you on glue?

media runs with ‘Mavericks cure death!’ headline. .

I always think of the media as not unlike the Ganges. It's full of trash, shit and corpses.
The corpses of political careers turn "opinion" figureheads for daily rags. You have activist journalists shitting everything up and then you just have those who wish to exploit every situation, with "the truth" for clicks.

For example ; when all this started, I asked an ex colleague why the media outlet they work for was pushing knowingly fake headlines. They're a major TV/Online news network.
The push back I got from her was "Well, it's somewhat true, so that's true enough". Technical truth. They love that line.
They're fucking gypsies and they know it. They peddled doom like nothing else and refused to give any airtime to experts who were in opposition to this perspective.

Combine that with politically motivated "experts", the biased weighting of science (ala the Troon issue) and you end up with a clusterfuck of lies and politically motivated deceit.
There's been elements of this forever, but it's gotten worse since 2012. The journalists who do actual, real investigative journalism are being pushed to the outer limits of the profession. No one wants facts anymore, just confirmation bias.
 
This was my experience with the media:

Media: hi! Today we are with otterly who has cured death
O: lol no.
M: so tell us how you cured death!
O: we havent cured death. We’ve pioneered a genetically targeted regime that increases average survival in this patient group from 4 years to over fifteen, meaning they get longer with their families and some die of old age before disease
M: So you’ve cured death? They aren’t dying!
O: they die, just later.
M: Death! Cured! When will it be available for all? Can we live to a thousand?
O: are you on glue?

media runs with ‘Mavericks cure death!’ headline. .
did you go on that show again?
 
I figured that immunity would last for 1-3 years since that's typically the range that immunity lasts for coronaviruses. What I'm wondering is why epidemiologists didn't figure that since they were working with a coronavirus, that they should initially treat it like the common cold at best and SARS at worst. I know why the media treats it like the doomsday virus, but I would think that would be an educated guess regarding this novel virus in the scientific field.
Because China didn't want to be the only sick man of Asia, purposely spread it using their dirty slave money to shut up opposition to allowing infected chinks in. The other issue is that thanks again to fucking chinks, is that noone outside of the CCP (lets pretend they are compitent enough for that) knew just what this virus did, outside of the videos that were leaked.
If this had been captain tripps, what the world did still wasn't enough to stop the spread, thanks to the fucking ChiComs. I think the only reason China hasn't been glassed is that everyone is trying to figure out how to dismantle their slave labour factories and ship them to Taiwan.
 
I trust the scientific method 100%
So do I, it is the people involved that I don't trust. People spending money to get specific results, people starting at a result they want and bending the testing to get that result.

Bill gates is a lawyer known for his abusive legal practices managing to push a frankly incompetent operative system to prominence. The who is a chinese propaganda machine led by a war criminal. What the fuck does that have to do with science?
Because they are the "SCIENTISTS" tm that we are being told to fucking trust. Billy Boy has been using his money to buy influence for a decade, His foundation along with Johns Hopkins and the World Economic Forum had a gigantic conference on Pandemics in October. He has the fuck to do with science because he is dumping his money into the same pop-science(this is why I use this phrase, to separate actual Scientists using the Scientific Method from people who are using junk data to present falsehoods as truth) that gave us this quarantine.
 
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did you go on that show again?
nope. It worked out OK, they looked daft rather than us. But never again. Didn’t even want to do that, I was just the only person involved who was vaguely presentable looking and had good English.

I enjoy watching tegnell because he just wanders out to speak to journos wearing a cardigan and a faint look of condescension and lets the silences be awkward.
 
nope. It worked out OK, they looked daft rather than us. But never again. Didn’t even want to do that, I was just the only person involved who was vaguely presentable looking and had good English.

I enjoy watching tegnell because he just wanders out to speak to journos wearing a cardigan and a faint look of condescension and lets the silences be awkward.
Well that sort of proves my point, People actually involved in the Science don't go on places like CNN because CNN is trash.
 


The conventional wisdom on lockdowns continues to turn. We may have have lockdowns past June, but will anyone be paying attention to them?

And even if everyone paid attention, some already had enough of lockdowns and Styx got enough of Corona-chan fearmongers on Bitchute.

 
Governor Whitmer also released a plan to provide free college for essential workers without college degrees.

So her plan is to use federal money to achieve this, including some of the aid from the CARES Act. Between this and Illinois asking for billions to help restore their pension fund after mismanaging it for years, the feds need to tell the states to fuck off with their gib asks because they aren’t even using the funds for solving acute virus problems.

It’s also interesting that this doesn’t apply to the hundreds of thousands who lost their jobs completely under her authoritarian rules. Nope, gotta virtue signal and hand the gibs to those newly anointed saints of our society: the “essential” worker class.
 
So her plan is to use federal money to achieve this, including some of the aid from the CARES Act. Between this and Illinois asking for billions to help restore their pension fund after mismanaging it for years, the feds need to tell the states to fuck off with their gib asks because they aren’t even using the funds for solving acute virus problems.

It’s also interesting that this doesn’t apply to the hundreds of thousands who lost their jobs completely under her authoritarian rules. Nope, gotta virtue signal and hand the gibs to those newly anointed saints of our society: the “essential” worker class.
Lol, I really hope they get their hands slapped for that. Here they've declared fast food places with drive thrus essential, so...

nope. It worked out OK, they looked daft rather than us. But never again. Didn’t even want to do that, I was just the only person involved who was vaguely presentable looking and had good English.

I enjoy watching tegnell because he just wanders out to speak to journos wearing a cardigan and a faint look of condescension and lets the silences be awkward.
Y'know, hearing stories like this constantly makes one consider Kiwi Farms to be an actual, verifiable and reliable journalistic site. I mean, everything here gets cataloged and verified, when was the last time you saw any journalist site do verification (other than perhaps PC tech sites).
Makes a person feel warm and fuzzy when you can see, damn near in real time, the very diverse crowd of individuals here, which makes it very fucking hard to get fake shit slid past. The newspaper effect tends to be strong, and I am glad we have Kiwis that can call out the BS.

Has this been posted yet?(archive) It's amazing watching journalists twist their neurons into gordian knots trying to put some sort of negative spin on death rates being lower than initially reported. Initial projections reported in the media were if every American got the virus over 3 million would die, now they're down to a million after these antibody studies. Washington Post's response? "Well the flu is still worse." I'm not even arguing that the flu isn't worse, but how far does the IFR have to drop before we decide full scale indefinite lockdowns aren't justified? Obviously there is a point because we tolerate the flu every year. What is it 0.4? 0.2?

Lockdowns will continue until morale improves.
It's actually nice weather outside that will end the lockdowns. Too many people are screaming that their whole summer is going to be ruined. Either that, or come June will be right back to lockdowns after a spike in cases because of attempting to reopen beginning of May.
 
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Has this been posted yet?(archive) It's amazing watching journalists twist their neurons into gordian knots trying to put some sort of negative spin on death rates being lower than initially reported. Initial projections reported in the media were if every American got the virus over 3 million would die, now they're down to a million after these antibody studies. Washington Post's response? "Well the flu is still worse."

I'm not even arguing that Covid-19 isn't worse than the flu, but how far does the IFR have to drop before we decide full scale indefinite lockdowns aren't justified? Obviously there is a point where we tolerate a virus killing some people because there have been deadlier strains of the flu before and we didn't lock everything down. What level does the IFR have to drop to? 0.4? 0.2?
 
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Has this been posted yet?(archive) It's amazing watching journalists twist their neurons into gordian knots trying to put some sort of negative spin on death rates being lower than initially reported. Initial projections reported in the media were if every American got the virus over 3 million would die, now they're down to a million after these antibody studies. Washington Post's response? "Well the flu is still worse." I'm not even arguing that the flu isn't worse, but how far does the IFR have to drop before we decided full scale indefinite lockdowns aren't justified?

What the fuck? Antibody tests have lowered the lethality to extremely low levels. Yeah it's technically higher than the flu, because it's almost impossible to go lower than that (outside of, like, the commonnfucking cold.) But that's an extremely sensationslistic way to put it at best and a horridly falacious narrative at worst. That's abhorrent.

Lol, I really hope they get their hands slapped for that. Here they've declared fast food places with drive thrus essential, so...


Y'know, hearing stories like this constantly makes one consider Kiwi Farms to be an actual, verifiable and reliable journalistic site. I mean, everything here gets cataloged and verified, when was the last time you saw any journalist site do verification (other than perhaps PC tech sites).
Makes a person feel warm and fuzzy when you can see, damn near in real time, the very diverse crowd of individuals here, which makes it very fucking hard to get fake shit slid past. The newspaper effect tends to be strong, and I am glad we have Kiwis that can call out the BS.

I told ya before. Kiwifarms is actually right now strongly at the front of this issue. Here's the thing people don't notice. The scientific method has 2 great strengths. Adherence to evidence, and the peer review system.

Adherence to evidence (in science this is made through falsifiability and control groups) allows the discourse to eliminate sources of bias outside of instrumental stuff. And account for the ones that can't be controlled. In kiwifarms we see this in a way, in how the culture fostered by Null and spread by kiwis is about, as our resident archivist likes to point out "ARCHIVE EVERYTHING", ideas are judged based on contents and source this way, allowing for examination of bias.

The peer review system allows to eliminate even more bias by fostering competition between groups with different backgrouns and interests on a level playing field. If the idea survives the slaughter, it means it can survive the toughest scrutiny we could throw at it. And so, here we have a collection of internet autists from all over the god damned planet. We got med kiwis like niggaplesse, otterly and stoneheart, military kiwis like uncle joe and crazy uncle johny, kiwis from china, america, europe, fucking australia of all places. And who analyzes ideas with more vehemence than a collection of competing speds? That's right. No one.

In this way, the farms are basically a mockup of the scientific method. Sure we don't have formalized statistical analysis, so it's certainly not perfect, and it does still run the risk of turning into an ecochamber, but it's as good as you can get through informal growth really.

During this pandemic the thread has consistently been ahead of everyone. That's just a fact and this point. And this is why.
 
Michigan, USA

When two laws contradict, the law made later is deemed to have "impliedly repealed" the earlier one.

(archive)

This article is claiming that Governor Whitmer (D) will be most likely be allowed to keep the states of emergency and disaster in effect as long as she wants, regardless of the legislature, on the grounds that:

Detroit Free Press said:
So shouldn't we look to the more recent of the two statutes?
One might think so, except for the fact the more recent act, the Emergency Management Act, says, in part: "This act shall not be construed to ... limit, modify or abridge the authority of the governor to proclaim a state of emergency" under the 1945 law, The Emergency Powers of Governor Act.
Michigan Law Code, archive.

The Free Press also quoted a retired Republican House judiciary staffer who supports the governor's position.

It remains to be seen whether the courts will decide that "proclaiming" an emergency initially is the same as prolonging it, when there are whole sections of the 1976 law specifically dedicated to limiting the authority of the governor to prolong states of emergency.
Of course, the governor and legislature could still come to some sort of compromise today, leaving the issue unresolved.
 
Is Wayne County outside Detroit a great place to live?

From census it seems it's been steadily loosing population with years. So while I haven't been there myself if the locals seem to think being not there anymore is a better idea than staying there, I'd take their word for it.

Also. Do you really wanna live stuck to the side of detroit? Just saying.

Michigan, USA



(archive)

This article is claiming that Governor Whitmer (D) will be most likely be allowed to keep the states of emergency and disaster in effect as long as she wants, regardless of the legislature, on the grounds that:


Michigan Law Code, archive.

The Free Press also quoted a retired Republican House judiciary staffer who supports the governor's position.

It remains to be seen whether the courts will decide that "proclaiming" an emergency initially is the same as prolonging it, when there are whole sections of the 1976 law specifically dedicated to limiting the authority of the governor to prolong states of emergency.
Of course, the governor and legislature could still come to some sort of compromise today, leaving the issue unresolved.

Inb4 Dem govs are bolstered by this into attempting to become pety dictators and people beg Trump to kickstart the Boog to stop them.
 
Because they're paid by the government for their work no matter what. They're focused on a different type of number, not if Mr. Smith is going to be able to feed his family in a month.
That's the thing about epidemiologists vs economists, they're both statistics people, they're just focused on different numbers.

If only there was something like economic epidemiology where there was a focus on both and how they intersect...oh wait, that does exist! But we're not going to hear from people like that in the mainstream media because black and white thinking "us vs them" makes better news than a balanced approach.
 
Michigan, USA



(archive)

This article is claiming that Governor Whitmer (D) will be most likely be allowed to keep the states of emergency and disaster in effect as long as she wants, regardless of the legislature, on the grounds that:


Michigan Law Code, archive.

The Free Press also quoted a retired Republican House judiciary staffer who supports the governor's position.

It remains to be seen whether the courts will decide that "proclaiming" an emergency initially is the same as prolonging it, when there are whole sections of the 1976 law specifically dedicated to limiting the authority of the governor to prolong states of emergency.
Of course, the governor and legislature could still come to some sort of compromise today, leaving the issue unresolved.
Isn't this the one that shut down all the courts so that the lawsuits against her cannot proceed? Trump won't have to do anything for a Boog to kick off if Missus Hitler doesn't back off on the reins, but he will sure take the blame rather than her.
Is Wayne County outside Detroit a great place to live?
If you have to ask, it may not be.
Kazakh update: STILL doing better than you
3356 cases, 858 recoveries, 25(+0) deaths.
I for one am glad to see any good news from anywhere. 0 new deaths is good news.
 
Isn't this the one that shut down all the courts so that the lawsuits against her cannot proceed?
She suspended "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" until the emergency is over. Whitmer - Executive Order 2020-58 (COVID-19) (archive)
  1. Consistent with Michigan Supreme Court Administrative Order No. 2020-3, all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings, including but not limited to any deadline for the filing of an initial pleading and any statutory notice provision or other prerequisite related to the deadline for filing of such a pleading, are suspended as of March 10, 2020 and shall be tolled until the end of the declared states of disaster and emergency.
  2. Consistent with Michigan Supreme Court Administrative Order No. 2020-3, this order does not prohibit or restrict a litigant from commencing an action or proceeding whenever the litigant may choose, nor does it suspend or toll any time period that must elapse before the commencement of an action or proceeding.
  3. This order is effective immediately.
Someone who knows more about the law than I do will have to tell you whether that really could have been intended to keep her from getting sued, or if it will actually have that effect.

Lawsuits are still going against her in several courts. One of the latest developments, a ruling in the governor's favor by Michigan Court of Claims Judge Christopher Murray.

(archive)
 
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