Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[mindlessobserver]

Johns Hopkins.

3,249,667 confirmed
232,936 Deaths
= 13.95% Fatality Rate

fatality rate of confirmed cases seems pretty high.

Looking good guys lets get back to work.

The confirmed case number is massively under the actual number. This has been the issue all along ffs.

 

[Disheveled Human]

The confirmed case number is massively under the actual number. This has been the issue all along ffs.

You can say that about any bad flu season or other deadly dangerous outbreak for that matter. The main way numbers officially register is if people are sick and need treatment. This outbreak is as severe as it gets.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Girl?

sorry youre trans now i dont make the rules uwu🏵 (that was rhetorical sassiness sorry)

So did we figure out if the US economy opens more will we all die from kung flu enter the fist or nah? My fellow florida friend keeps panicking at the thought and its getting on my nerves.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D)'s emergency authority is set to expire today. She claims she does not need the legislature's approval to keep her emergency executive orders in force past midnight. The legislature (both houses are Republican-controlled) claims she does. Rundown on the laws in question.

The legislature has passed a bill that does not extend the state of emergency, but does keep many of Governor Whitmer's orders in effect for the next several months. The stay-at-home order is not among them.
An earlier version of the bill would have limited the Governor's emergency declarations to 14 days going forward. This provision was not in the final bill.
The house and senate also passed resolutions authorizing themselves to sue the Whitmer administration over its actions in the current crisis.
Bill's page on the legislature's website, with history (archive of the final version sent to Governor Whitmer)

Governor Whitmer has previously said she will not sign any bill that limits her office's powers. The bill is subject to veto. The resolutons are not. The Republican majority is not veto-proof.

Michigan Legislature OKs potential legal fight over Gov. Whitmer's powers

The Legislature stepped closer to a legal fight Thursday over Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's emergency powers to combat COVID-19 and reopen the economy

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Also, protestors showed up to exercise their first and second amendment rights. A&N Thread.

Michigan Court of Claims judge rules in favor of Governor, in one of several lawsuits against the shut-down order. The same plaintiffs are also suing in federal court.
(article, archive, A&N thread)

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D)'s office will be investigating the State's awarding of a contact-tracing contract to a "company with connections to a Democratic candidate." The contract was awarded by the Department of Health and Human Services. Governor Whitmer cancelled the contract the next day, after concerns were raised.

Michigan AG's office to investigate canceled contact-tracing contract

Attorney General Dana Nessel says her office is going to investigate a canceled contract tied to Michigan's COVID-19 contact tracing project

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Detroit shootings are up. Other crime is down, including, despite trends elsewhere, domestic violence. More cops are out of quarantine.

Shootings up, other crimes down in Detroit with more cops off quarantine

For the first time in weeks, less than 100 Detroit cops are quarantined because of coronavirus

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15 (archive) (executive order saved on KF) Marijuana shops are open. Tobacco shops are closed (archive). K-12 schools suspended for remainder of year, but alternate learning plans will be implemented (archive) (archive). Facial coverings are required in enclosed public spaces starting Monday, April 27, but there is no criminal penalty for not complying.
Lawsuits against the shutdown order are multiplying (archive). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. (archive). Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) have closed all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which were also obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). They are still making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and production of ventilators, etc. has begun (archive- GM's ventilators, April 17.) Ford is preparing to reopen (archive - April 26).

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Over 1 million unemployment claims filed = 10% of the total population of the state, nearly 25% of the workforce (Archive - April 16).
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Car crashes are down, fatal car crashes are down, and overall death is actually down. (archive - April 12)

FREE STUFF!
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive)

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
Elective surgeries are banned. This does not include abortions (thread).
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
Detroit field hospital admits first 8 Corona patients. It will only be taking the less-serious cases. No one on ventilators.(archive - April 14)
Another field hospital in Detroit scaled back after drop in cases. Original plan was to open with 1,100 beds. Now they are only going to open with 250, planned to open April 20. (archive - April 11).
Our statistics are inaccurate, because deaths are being both overcounted and undercounted (archive).

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). The State prison system is not currently releasing inmates early.
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Local police in the rural north and in Detroit suburbs have alike stated they will not be enforcing parts of the order (archive).

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The State of Michigan reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the official statistics three times a week. 40 deaths were added today.

Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

29,509 confirmed / 3,081 dead
29,083 confirmed / 2,992 dead yesterday
(i.e. 89 new deaths, up 5 from previous day)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

11,870 confirmed / 708 dead
11,316 confirmed / 678 dead yesterday
(i.e. 30 new deaths, up 11 from previous day)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

41,379 confirmed / 3,789 dead
40,399 confirmed / 3,670 dead yesterday
(i.e. 119 new deaths, up 16 from previous day, down 24 without the adjustment)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 14.
We have been locked down since: March 24.
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
76 / 166*** / 22 / 60 / 128*** / 84 / 89*** = 625***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in a category of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 58, 40, and 40 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
Also one Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/29/national/japanese-government-release-coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-may/?fbclid=IwAR3hZyPBGi14slDBy6ILHp5dce_FsNLwsUGIKAgGyJfblD0zjUl0zwWVZno#.Xqtsz55KiM8

Japanese government to release covid contact-tracing app

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Johns Hopkins.

3,249,667 confirmed
232,936 Deaths
= 13.95% Fatality Rate

fatality rate of confirmed cases seems pretty high.

Looking good guys lets get back to work.

Stop. US death rate, using your screwed up mathematics, is far lower.

1,075,676 confirmed, 62,107 dead. That's a 5.77% death rate, not 13+%. Also, I guess you havent been paying attention, but only the severe cases are being tested. In many states, even the serious cases are being ignored because just testing the severe cases, medical staff, and first responders is taking all the testing resources we have. The mild and moderate cases are being told to stay home unless they need emergency medical care.

Original estimates were that only 15% of cases were being picked up. Today that number is well south of 5%. Some are saying as low as 1-2%. There is just no fucking testing most places. So you are only looking at the serious and fatal cases. If you did the same thing for the regular flu, you'd see a death rate that would make you sweat bullets until you factor in the tens of millions of cases that were mild.

Even if you take the absolute most conservative estimates, which we know are hilariously wrong, of 15%, the true death rate would still be under 1% overall. It more likely to be somewhere between .1-.2%, higher then the flu yes, but FAR from some world ending apocalyptic disease.

What choice do we have though the government is taking this seriously and doing fucked up shit to get their way. I can't imagine the world as a whole setting everyone up for failure for the LULZ shit is going down. Lets just play it right and get through this.

We can just....continue on? You do know society kept chugging along through smallpox, measels, mumps, spanish flu, ece? Like, we didnt shut down every time someone died. The current response is unprecedented.

You can say that about any bad flu season or other deadly dangerous outbreak for that matter. The main way numbers officially register is if people are sick and need treatment. This outbreak is as severe as it gets.

And it's nowhere near serious enough to shut down everything.

Here's an honest question for you. The vast majority of deaths are occurring in the elderly and infirm, the very populations that would die anyway if they got the flu. Death rates for the 40 and under crowd are rounding numbers, IE .01-.04%, it doesnt reach 1% until you get to the 65+ age bracket. So, we know that the disease is far less dangerous to your typical millennial or gen X citizen then driving, heart disease, drug use, alcohol, or other trauma are.

Knowing this, can you justify all these people staying indoors for another month, out of work? Should we be hiding in our homes from the menace of automobiles and cheeseburgers? You go out of your house everyday before all this happened, and you were more likely to die of a car crash or heart attack then you were corona. But now that corona is here, you want to hide. What is your criteria for going outside again? Why can you justify going outside around automobiles and fatty unhealthy foods and alcohol, but you cant justify when there is a serious cold?

If you take console in your fears, your fears will dominate your life. When you look at the likely death rate, seen from the mindset of the poor who dont have incomes right now and families to take care of, as people see their lives and businesses uprooted by the government over something that still kills a fraction the number of people cheeseburgers and cars do, how can you expect them to stay home gaily singing cumbayah as their lives implode?

 

[Disheveled Human]

Stop. US death rate, using your screwed up mathematics, is far lower.
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1,075,676 confirmed, 62,107 dead. That's a 5.77% death rate, not 13+%. Also, I guess you havent been paying attention, but only the severe cases are being tested. In many states, even the serious cases are being ignored because just testing the severe cases, medical staff, and first responders is taking all the testing resources we have. The mild and moderate cases are being told to stay home unless they need emergency medical care.

Original estimates were that only 15% of cases were being picked up. Today that number is well south of 5%. Some are saying as low as 1-2%. There is just no fucking testing most places. So you are only looking at the serious and fatal cases. If you did the same thing for the regular flu, you'd see a death rate that would make you sweat bullets until you factor in the tens of millions of cases that were mild.

We can just....continue on? You do know society kept chugging along through smallpox, measels, mumps, spanish flu, ece? Like, we didnt shut down every time someone died. The current response is unprecedented.

And it's nowhere near serious enough to shut down everything.

Here's an honest question for you. The vast majority of deaths are occurring in the elderly and infirm, the very populations that would die anyway if they got the flu. Death rates for the 40 and under crowd are rounding numbers, IE .01-.04%, it doesnt reach 1% until you get to the 65+ age bracket. So, we know that the disease is far less dangerous to your typical millennial or gen X citizen then driving, heart disease, drug use, alcohol, or other trauma are.

Knowing this, can you justify all these people staying indoors for another month, out of work? Should we be hiding in our homes from the menace of automobiles and cheeseburgers? You go out of your house everyday before all this happened, and you were more likely to die of a car crash or heart attack then you were corona. But now that corona is here, you want to hide. What is your criteria for going outside again? Why can you justify going outside around automobiles and fatty unhealthy foods and alcohol, but you cant justify when there is a serious cold?

I was using the world wide statistics not the US only since this is a global issue.

COPE HARDER.

 

[Dirty Jerz]

The push from this shouldn't be for UBI or unemployment. The real push should be about telecommuting. Tons of jobs, especially in the cities, can be done telecommuting. There's no reason wagies should be wasting 2 hours commuting to an arbitrary building in a downtown area when their job can likely be done online.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Havent seen this posted in the last 5 pages, apologies if late:

https://www.wtol.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/state-of-emergency-protest/512-3e03a4b0-9fe7-4b6c-beb2-db9ce184b888

https://archive.vn/UL0od

Michigan's voting body came together to vote on continuing emergency powers to the state Governor today. This sparked a large protest that managed to get access to the capital building. Some media outlets labeled this as "armed protesters storm capital building" since some of the protesters were open carrying thought this event. It seems to have had the desired effect, the legislature has voted to not extend emergency powers past today.

I was using the world wide statistics not the US only since this is a global issue.

COPE HARDER.

Speaking of COPE, you didnt bother answering any questions.

Why do you feel that continued lockdown is the onyl answer when the disease's death rate continues to be adjusted down and becomes less threatening every day?

Why do you feel everyone should lock down when it is becoming obviosu that for people 50 and under, corona is less likely to kill you then driving a car?

The lockdown was not meant to wipe out the virus, that is now how diseases or lockdowns work. At what point do you think the lockdowns should be lifted?

Why do you expect families that do not have the financial means, and businesses that rely on income to survive, to go along with continued lockdowns where the lockdown has a much higher chance of causing financial ruin then corona does for death?

 

[Synthetic Smug]

The push from this shouldn't be for UBI or unemployment. The real push should be about telecommuting. Tons of jobs, especially in the cities, can be done telecommuting. There's no reason wagies should be wasting 2 hours commuting to an arbitrary building in a downtown area when their job can likely be done online.

Agreed. It's just a question of how many Boomer managers need to either die or otherwise fuck off for the idea to become palatable to decision makers.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Some media outlets labeled this as "armed protesters storm capital building" since some of the protesters were open carrying thought this event. It seems to have had the desired effect, the legislature has voted to not extend emergency powers past today.

2nd Amendment works as intended (without any bloodshed in this case). Leftists advocate repeal/restriction of 2nd Amendment.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Speaking of COPE, you didnt bother answering any questions.

Why do you feel that continued lockdown is the onyl answer when the disease's death rate continues to be adjusted down and becomes less threatening every day?

Why do you feel everyone should lock down when it is becoming obviosu that for people 50 and under, corona is less likely to kill you then driving a car?

The lockdown was not meant to wipe out the virus, that is now how diseases or lockdowns work. At what point do you think the lockdowns should be lifted?

Why do you expect families that do not have the financial means, and businesses that rely on income to survive, to go along with continued lockdowns where the lockdown has a much higher chance of causing financial ruin then corona does for death?

No I wish things to be returned back to normal as soon as possible. My route for it is following. What I am being told to do, not because I want to but because it is going to be the fastest route. Crying about it won't help. I understand that freedom in life is a privilege. I do not lie to myself thinking I have any real say in the matter. Americans are beginning to wake up on this matter sure you can say what you want without going to jail but a minor cough happens and now your movement is now regulated by the state. Huh seems like your rights never existed. Keep thinking you can enact change in any real sense its hilarious.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

The push from this shouldn't be for UBI or unemployment. The real push should be about telecommuting. Tons of jobs, especially in the cities, can be done telecommuting. There's no reason wagies should be wasting 2 hours commuting to an arbitrary building in a downtown area when their job can likely be done online.

Agreed. It's just a question of how many Boomer managers need to either die or otherwise fuck off for the idea to become palatable to decision makers.

IME the thing holding back working from home isnt boomers. The holdback is management. In technical fields, the ones that seem to always get promoted to management fall into 3 catagories:

1. The truly technical people who earn the respect of middle management and are moved into a low management position as a reward
2. The nepotistic ass lickers who crawl up managements butt, being buddy buddy while fucking off from their normal job
3. The re.tarded mongrels that can barely do their job, or fuck up not bad enough for instant termination but bad enough you cant leave them where they are, so you throw them into management to hide them.

All 3 of these categories have the same problem. They have NO FUCKING CLUE how to manage people. They dont know how to keep employees motivated or how to treat their employees as people instead of cogs in a machine. They are TERRIFIED of working from home, either because they wouldnt be able to helicopter their workers or cant think of ways they could justify their positions if they couldnt harass their employees with petty power moves every day. The control freaks couldnt make sure their employees have their noses stuffed into work for precisely 8 hours per day.

This behavior will never change, its systemic to workplaces. The ones who could change it are on the top, but they are all numbskulls who have no idea how their companies actually run, and they beat down anyone competent who could threaten their positions of power by making a logical suggestion. And so the world turns.

There are also legitimate concerns. People's demeanor changes when they are at home. You get distracted by kids, pets, and life. You dont sit for 8 hours doing nothing but working, many find the lack of structure that comes with working from home to be detrimental to their work output. Many also struggle with mixing life and work, since there is no longer a clear divide between "home" and "office". And of course, if you work from home there is no reason you cant be on call 24/7, since you no longer have to go into the office, and its much harder to gauge how much work can be done in a day when everyone is working remotely. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I saw that clip posted on another forum who mentionned then the numbers of people killed by corona-chan might be inflated.

I don't how long that clip will stay on Youtube, it'll be a miracle if it stay more longer then I thought. It's already been posted on Bitchute as well.

Truth Archive 2030

BOMBSHELL: Senator ADMITS Doctors Are FORCED TO FAKE COVID-19 DEATH CERTIFICATES To Inflate Numbers!

www.bitchute.com

 

[MediocreMilt]

They are TERRIFIED of working from home, either because they wouldnt be able to helicopter their workers

Don't worry, mandatory spywarevoluntary software to allow them access to your webcam etc for the purposes of monitoring your remote work already exists.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

No I wish things to be returned back to normal as soon as possible. My route for it is following. What I am being told to do, not because I want to but because it is going to be the fastest route. Crying about it won't help. I understand that freedom in life is a privilege. I do not lie to myself thinking I have any real say in the matter. Americans are beginning to wake up on this matter sure you can say what you want without going to jail but a minor cough happens and now your movement is now regulated by the state. Huh seems like your rights never existed. Keep thinking you can enact change in any real sense its hilarious.

So you think following the government will be the fastest route for things going back to normal, despite many governments wishing for this to continue for many more months/years? How do you rationalize the schedules for reopening being shortened after protests? Why in your mind to the people have no power when it seems quite the opposite is true?

And how do you rationalize what happened in Michigan today? The governor has been pressuring the legislature to extend her emergency powers, and the public responded with a large protest, the result was the government voting to end emergency powers. Do these people have no power in your mind? If these protests are shortening the path to reopening, shouldnt you be taking their side if goign back to normal as soon as possible is your biggest concern?

 

[Flaming Carrot]

The Inevitable Coronavirus Censorship Crisis is Here

As the Covid-19 crisis progresses, censorship programs advance, amid calls for China-style control of the Internet

taibbi.substack.com

The Inevitable Coronavirus Censorship Crisis is Here - Reporting by M…

archived 1 May 2020 01:01:36 UTC

archive.is

Matt Taibbi defending the right to ask questions in the midst of the epidemic. Most of these types of articles are coming from right-wing types, but this is one of the few I've seen from a left-winger.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Don't worry, mandatory spywarevoluntary software to allow them access to your webcam etc for the purposes of monitoring your remote work already exists.

I've been doing IT support from home this whole time. Most IT departments wont have this, because it costs $$$, and management cannot ever justify throwing more then a few $ at a time into IT for any reason. Even if they did buy the software, knowing IT managers, they would probably buy hundreds of laptops without webcams because it was 0.05$ cheaper per machine, or something equally stupid, like buying webcam spying software that only runs on XP.

 

[RodgerDodger]

The confirmed case number is massively under the actual number. This has been the issue all along ffs.

This brings up a good point. The phrasing there (not yours, the common phrasing) is more than a bit disingenuous and is using the medias shady language. Is an individual who has displayed no symptoms or suffered any indications of illness a "Confirmed case"? Is someone who has never been a "Patient" a "Medical Case"? They are trying to measure for the full spread of what is turning out to be a remarkably benign virus within the wider population. But they are deliberately scaring you by using the term "Confirmed Case!" It's a Bullshit use of language in order to drum up an emotional response and make you fear for your life so you do whatever the "experts" say.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I saw that clip posted on another forum who mentionned then the numbers of people killed by corona-chan might be inflated.

I don't how long that clip will stay on Youtube, it'll be a miracle if it stay more longer then I thought. It's already been posted on Bitchute as well.

Truth Archive 2030

BOMBSHELL: Senator ADMITS Doctors Are FORCED TO FAKE COVID-19 DEATH CERTIFICATES To Inflate Numbers!

www.bitchute.com

Archive
https://archive.vn/RRr1c

Local upload

This site has the document

HHS Document Released Instructing MN Senator To Overcount COVID-19 Deaths(VIDEO) | Outraged Patriot

outragedpatriot.com

https://archive.vn/QlOFq

Local upload of the document as a pdf: