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Washington state is potentially preparing to isolate kids from their parents due to Coronavirus. The writer points out further down the thread the language on the forms does not appear to be new. So this could be nothing,or it could be a really big deal. I think California is proposing something similar. I can't see it going over very well.
 


Washington state is potentially preparing to isolate kids from their parents due to Coronavirus. The writer points out further down the thread the language on the forms does not appear to be new. So this could be nothing,or it could be a really big deal. I think California is proposing something similar. I can't see it going over very well.

Believe anyone who tries to serve such an order and take a child from their family is literally playing with fire. Some parents may assent. Some will not.
 
Looking at the Alameda County (Oakland/Berkeley) COVID-19 dashboard and noticed something VERY unwoke.
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Don't they know that "MTF" and "FTM" is transphobic and implies they aren't their REAL and TRUE gender???
(also males are still most prone to catching/dying and it's still surging through the county's latino population - though it seems like they are dying the least, so I'm betting its' mostly younger/middle aged people in shitty jobs catching it and living).
 
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Outside China

3,669,812 Confirmed / 259,148 dead / 1,163,106 recovered

3578723 / 252602 / 1119932 yesterday

USA
1,228,214 confirmed / 73,418 dead / 189,910 recovered JohnHopkins
1,240,037 confirmed / 72,731 dead / 212,981 recovered Infection2020

1204351 / 71070 / 189791 yesterday JohnHopkins
1213982 / 70772 / 200628 yesterday Infection2020

Spain

220,325 confirmed / 25,857 dead / 126,002 recovered

219329 / 25613 / 123486 yesterday

Italy

214,457 confirmed / 29,684 dead / 93,245 recovered

213013 / 29315 / 85231 yesterday

France

174,244 confirmed / 25,812 dead / 54,078 recovered

170687 / 25537 / 52842 yesterday

Germany

168162 confirmed / 7,275 dead / 137,696 recovered

167007 / 6993 / 135100
 
I went out supply gathering today in the US midwest. I went to Target, Dollar Tree, Lowes, and Walmart. Like the last time I went out, most people wore masks but there were a few that didn't. Staying 6 feet away from each other was encouraged by signs and tape on the floor. I like that other shoppers have to stay out of my way. We should keep that. The stores were fairly well stocked but Walmart was still out of the Great Value disinfectant wipes which annoys me since I like the way they smell. I saw no sick people nor any panic other than the usual "I'm in Walmart at 4pm, what has my life become?" expressions. Toilet paper and paper towel shelves were somewhat bare, but there were some to be had.

This virus can kill every boomer around if it means I can keep social distancing. I don't get why people feel they need to Biden me up in the goddamn self checkout line. Just actually being more critical of people's hygiene in general has been pretty awesome.

Stores have been the same for me too. The usual suspects are still in short supply but I'm actually able to find name brand hand sanitizer and even rubbing alcohol now.
 
Looking at the Alameda County (Oakland/Berkeley) COVID-19 dashboard and noticed something VERY unwoke.
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Don't they know that "MTF" and "FTM" is transphobic and implies they aren't their REAL and TRUE gender???
(also males are still most prone to catching/dying and it's still surging through the county's latino population - though it seems like they are dying the least, so I'm betting its' mostly younger/middle aged people in shitty jobs catching it and living).

Fascinating. The most interesting is in a diverse area, that is not wholesale dense packed “projects“ style housing, Deaths by Race is almost dead on with % of local population. Is Berkeley so woke that the racism is beaten out of Corona-Chan when she goes there?
 
Uh oh! Andy’s week gets worse.


TLDR Well Respected former NY Governor George Pataki is now calling for an independent investigation into Cuomo forcefully seeding the nursing homes with Corona-Chan. Apparently Andy has been blaming the Nursing Homes. And sending the State AG around to “investigate” them into silence. While the Governor threatens to pull their licences. I suspect Barr and the Feds are about to get involved.
 
Well this certainly goes against the narrative...Cuomo announced today that a recent study of 100 NYC hospitals show the majority of hospitalized patients were following the stay at home orders and were still infected. Source/Archive
People lie though.
It's our defining characteristic.
 
People lie though.
It's our defining characteristic.

It’s likely people aren’t completely isolating, but this additional info is interesting:

Cuomo said nearly 84% of the hospitalized cases were people who were not commuting to work through car services, personal cars, public transit or walking. He said a majority of those people were either retired or unemployed. Overall, some 73% of the admissions were people over age 51.
 
Today's trip to the post office was uneventful. With only two people ahead of me, there was little wait time, even with only two clerks working the windows. My clerk was rather friendly, which was a plus. Before the pandemic, most clerked tended to be indifferent or impersonal. I imagine any sort of social interaction right now is a welcome thing for most people.

For the heck of it, I check my county's COVID-19 map which has cases and deaths broken down by ZIP code. My city presently averages just under 5 deaths per 10000 people (0.05%) despite averaging just over 44 cases per 10k people (0.44%). Granted, not everyone has been tested, but the average person with a nose for numbers is rightfully going to wonder when locales with less than 1% of the population being infected and even less dying are going to start seeing restrictions lifted. The one factor I see against that right now is that communities around us have higher rates of cases and deaths. Their rates may have to improve first.

Interestingly, the ZIP codes on the perimeter of the country are reporting ten or less deaths -- sometimes zero -- and equally low numbers of cases since they're not part of the city/suburb system. Time will tell if those numbers stay that way or if it's only a matter of time before they catch up to everyone else.

Remember that anyone who tests positive is a "case" whether they show symptoms or not. No "recovery" necessary for most "cases".
As someone else pointed out in one of the COVID-19 threads, the lack of numbers of (or a way to track) those that had the virus but recovered makes it difficult to get a feel for how many cases have already been resolved with the person recovering and how many are currently sick with death still a possibility. That would probably be a more valuable metric than raw case and death numbers which make it easier to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt. I guess I just answered my own self-musings.

Washington state is potentially preparing to isolate kids from their parents due to Coronavirus. The writer points out further down the thread the language on the forms does not appear to be new. So this could be nothing,or it could be a really big deal. I think California is proposing something similar. I can't see it going over very well.
Given Washington State is home to a number of people who were quick to protest children being separated from adults when detained for crossing the border illegally, one would expect these residents to protest the mere idea of their own children being isolated from them. However, these are the same people that will take any Democratic talking point to heart; in that respect, they might go along with it if their Democratic politicians sell them on isolating their children is somehow for the greater good.

Deaths by Race is almost dead on with % of local population. Is Berkeley so woke that the racism is beaten out of Corona-Chan when she goes there?
Shh, we can't throw a monkey-wrench 🔧 into the narrative that non-whites are getting COVID-19 at disproportionate rates than whites -- so much so that some states are forming committees to try to figure out why.
 
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People lie though.
It's our defining characteristic.
It's NYC, there's tons of apartment buildings. Someone could stay "inside" but then they might leave their apartment to get their mail in the lobby, superintendents coming into the apt to fix something, someone comes up to the door to deliver something, someone might live with another roommate/relative who does go outside to work.
And if they're unemployed you can bet some of them live in projects which aren't exactly the cleanest places regardless if they stay at home.
Honestly not even sure if lockdowns were a good idea for NYC because of that. You can never avoid interacting with someone there.
 
It's NYC, there's tons of apartment buildings. Someone could stay "inside" but then they might leave their apartment to get their mail in the lobby, superintendents coming into the apt to fix something, someone comes up to the door to deliver something, someone might live with another roommate/relative who does go outside to work.
And if they're unemployed you can bet some of them live in projects which aren't exactly the cleanest places regardless if they stay at home.
Honestly not even sure if lockdowns were a good idea for NYC because of that. You can never avoid interacting with someone there.
I don't understand why people live there in the first place, let alone wanting to live there so they can pay the astronomical cost of living for the "privilege".
 
I don't understand why people live there in the first place, let alone wanting to live there so they can pay the astronomical cost of living for the "privilege".
That really depends on the borough. You're gonna have yuppie kids buying those Manhattan apartments with daddys credit card in hopes of making it "big" (don't know what the fuck they mean by that) and then you have someone who's just born in a family who's generations have been living in the Bronx and can't find a way out because the hoodrat life is the only life they've known.
 
He also moved the goalposts on the Phase requirements. Before it was a 14 day decrease of new hospitalizations in a region; now it 7 different metrics which as of today no region is hitting. 2 of them, testing and tracing staffing, are controlled by the state. So rather than be dependent on the 5 stats, they can still say "whoops you don't have enough contact tracers" if they want to keep a region closed.

I had a feeling he would do this shit. In fact, judging by this new criteria, Long Island is probably going to be dead last. I still want a wall around NYC, that fucking plague pit.
 
Looks like the next push will be for voluntary for now random testing.

Public health officials are expanding on a pilot program and plan to send letters to 5,000 randomly selected people, including children, in the coming days, asking them to get their blood tested for antibodies — which could show whether the person has had the disease (with or without symptoms).

From that information, the state will try to determine what percentage of the population has been exposed.

People who receive the letter will be asked to go to one of four designated Stop & Shop locations across the state to get the test done. The participants have been randomly selected from census blocs across the state, according to Health Director Dr. Nicole Alexander-Scott.

Australia has decided to make it compulsory and Orwellian by calling it "sentinel surveillance".
Enter more "active" testing, where front-line workers or vulnerable populations might be tested, even without symptoms.

But sentinel testing is more random, as it's trying to see where a virus is moving in the community.

Because Australians apparently love this shit the opposition party has decided to run it as official policy:
Government must introduce more random testing for COVID-19
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(Labor) calls for random testing at places like supermarkets and shopping centres where large numbers of people are gathering.
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(The) Government must immediately move to introduce more random testing in line with the recommendation to go beyond targeting only symptomatic people.

Compulsory Nose Rape coming soon to a supermarket near you..
 
- To add to the above, Cuomo also decided to partner with Bill Gates to turn the virtual online education of kids into a new permanent thing. Proclaiming Schools will never go back to the old way. The single most powerful group in New York State is the teachers Union. They’ve just gone apoplectic. They might actually have him killed.

and these are all groups with a lot of power to make his life miserable and unearth his vast closet full of skeletons.

Blink Blink... He said what? Teacher's Union, Hell. Parents, And damn near all of them. Even those that don't see school as simply free daycare to keep the kids out of their hair and somewhat supervised are going to want his head on a pike. And the free-daycare crowd definitely will. It's not like even a well-behaved eight year old can just be left home all day with a stack of work or even a tablet with a teacher ineffectively nagging them over video. That's just not going to work.

Sorting out a less-centralized schooling (Education being something else) program might be a wonderful idea, And could probably eventually work if they shifted over to it gradually so that problems with the system could be found and solved and over some time instead of just hoping really hard it will happen all at once. Someone is going to have to be around to keep kids at least sort-of working and not killing each other or burning the house down. There's probably a way to make that work with the parents busy at work that's not the current school setup but I don't know what that looks like. And unless Cuomo can convincingly describe it first and sell the idea the current system is what everyone is going to want or need to go back to.

Is this guy on drugs? And if so, What? Because I really should avoid whatever he's on.
 
People lie though.
It's our defining characteristic.
Yeah, a friend from high school's son got it, and she kept saying "it doesn't make sense, we're staying at home" but she had selfies of her and the kids at the grocery store and had friends and family popping over for visits. This is one of the most zealous "stay the fuck home!" people I know too.

I imagine the number of people who have genuinely not left their house at all or had contact with people outside the home is very small, some people just don't seem to think it counts as long as they're mostly staying home.
 
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