Furry Fandom and Drama General

[CIA Nigger]

LOL how has this caused so much asshurt? I checked twitter user RamuneTigress's reply timeline and gave up after hitting page down for the thirtieth time because he has just been arguing with twitter users all day and reposting the fake art theft facebook post.

At least Gwern knows enough about derivative work fair use laws so I hope he doesn't buckle and take it down over the autism

My theory is that furries are having meltdowns because it highlights how generic fursonas are. In a way it's like a copyright-free version of Sonic OCs or other OCs based on video game/anime characters that end up coming off as reskins instead of characters that'd fit in said universe. This trend has existed for a while, it's why something like the Steam/360 game Dust: An Elysian Tail was criticized as having "DeviantArt style character designs" back in the day.

That's also why fanart of specific characters ends up having such a heavy pull on it and causes it to create jarring reskins. The goats from Undertale (I forget their names), Nick and Judy from Zootopia, Renamon from Digimon, and Rouge the Bat from Sonic end up having vastly different face designs than a lot of generic fursonas. These characters also had lots of SFW fanart uploaded to e621, enough to tip the scales in favor of them showing up a lot.

The idea of a fursona generator is nothing new. There are plenty of fursona makers or Picrew style apps online that have existed as long as Macromedia Flash has, but these never provoked such an outrage from furries. Much of this comes from the fact that these photos look like some styles, and furries love accusing those of copying styles already.

 

[TFT-A9]

My theory is that furries are having meltdowns because it highlights how generic fursonas are. In a way it's like a copyright-free version of Sonic OCs or other OCs based on video game/anime characters that end up coming off as reskins instead of characters that'd fit in said universe. This trend has existed for a while, it's why something like the Steam/360 game Dust: An Elysian Tail was criticized as having "DeviantArt style character designs" back in the day.

That's also why fanart of specific characters ends up having such a heavy pull on it and causes it to create jarring reskins. The goats from Undertale (I forget their names), Nick and Judy from Zootopia, Renamon from Digimon, and Rouge the Bat from Sonic end up having vastly different face designs than a lot of generic fursonas. These characters also had lots of SFW fanart uploaded to e621, enough to tip the scales in favor of them showing up a lot.

The idea of a fursona generator is nothing new. There are plenty of fursona makers or Picrew style apps online that have existed as long as Macromedia Flash has, but these never provoked such an outrage from furries. Much of this comes from the fact that these photos look like some styles, and furries love accusing those of copying styles already.

The thing I've noticed about styles is that between maybe the most popular 50 or so artists in the fandom there are maybe 5 or so actual distinct styles tops. I mean, I knew someone who (aside from the "ever-present sheen of plastic wrap" effect Narse used for a while) could not discern Narse from Tojo-the-Thief and that really is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg. There are tons of style-clones in the higher echelons of furry art.

 

[CIA Nigger]

The thing I've noticed about styles is that between maybe the most popular 50 or so artists in the fandom there are maybe 5 or so actual distinct styles tops. I mean, I knew someone who (aside from the "ever-present sheen of plastic wrap" effect Narse used for a while) could not discern Narse from Tojo-the-Thief and that really is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg. There are tons of style-clones in the higher echelons of furry art.

Even when people in the other thread were arguing about "is this artist Glip", I knew of a few Pokemon fanartists who had very similar styles from the same point in time. Character design also plays a big role in the styles of each artist, and many furries either draw cookie cutter characters or are being paid to draw such.

 

[billydero]

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The look on that poor kid's face.

single mother
seven fursuits:
"trichotillomania"

I just ran out of boxes to check; I think I got bingo. The fact the kid has no dad is danger sign enough for his future but all the rest in the list... damn. He's going to be a goldmine for some therapist at the very least.

Gosh, wonder why dad didn't stick around....

 

[Spooky Millepede]

it is a single mother who spends an awful amount of time begging for free art and panhandling online by posting pictures of herself with her child, despite having enough disposable income to own seven fursuits

If I recall they had or have an after dark account that was at one point open, now it's locked and I can't find it. Her Onlyfans is still there though https://onlyfans.com/RamuneTigress

 

[Local Coyote]

Not only has that idiot been trolling twitter threads for the entire literal day, they are an actual, honest-to-god parent. A few minutes scouring their replies and it is a single mother who spends an awful amount of time begging for free art and panhandling online by posting pictures of herself with her child, despite having enough disposable income to own seven fursuits:

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That is not her actual hair. She deliberately shaves her head owing to "trichotillomania" and just wears wigs:

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The eccentricity levels are off the charts on this one. Everyone getting mad at this just seems to have natural lolcow tendencies

Seven fursuits and a Curlworks kigurumi which is not cheap. Those routinely get into the 1k range.

She either has massive amounts of debt or is bad at spending money or both.

 

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

If I recall they had or have an after dark account that was at one point open, now it's locked and I can't find it. Her Onlyfans is still there though https://onlyfans.com/RamuneTigress

I wanna feel bad about this, but people really need to learn how to guard their fucking privacy. Her onlyfans linked to a Amazon Wishlist that named her as Kathrine Williamson.

http://archive.vn/0q0gv

 

[Stock Photo James]

Not only has that idiot been trolling twitter threads for the entire literal day, they are an actual, honest-to-god parent. A few minutes scouring their replies and it is a single mother who spends an awful amount of time begging for free art and panhandling online by posting pictures of herself with her child, despite having enough disposable income to own seven fursuits:

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That is not her actual hair. She deliberately shaves her head owing to "trichotillomania" and just wears wigs:

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The eccentricity levels are off the charts on this one. Everyone getting mad at this just seems to have natural lolcow tendencies

She's giving me Karen vibes. Like she flips out at service workers as hard as she flips out at neural network image generators.

 

[William Tell Underpass]

So putting the thread shitting aside, here's a followup to the rhetorical question of how original and commoditized fursonas are.

Lately the craze with techies working on toy projects has been the "This X does not exist" form of website, including This Person Does Not Exist, This Cat Does Not Exist, This Article Does Not Exist, and even the weeb version This Waifu Does Not Exist. They're pretty much the typical deep machine learning content generators, an AI analyzes thousands of images of something and generates something based on these images.

Anyhow it's well documented that there are plenty of furries in the tech industry, so a furry decided to create the latest one of these. This Fursona Does Not Exist was trained on thousands of safe for work images from e621 (I'm just as shocked as you are that there's that many on it) to generate new furry images.

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As usual with this genre of site there are plenty of disturbingly badly moshed images (this is evident on images it tries to make based on famous characters). But it's being seen as interesting by many furries:

https://twitter.com/arfafax/status/1258071695362940930

https://archive.fo/S5YMt

Some furries are throwing a tantrum over it and thinking it's wide art theft for kids stealing fursonas, while others are worrying about the implications of this new technology. Then there's furries that think it'll reduce kids stealing icons instead since they can "generate one instead".
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This furry is having a huge ass meltdown:
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Artist asked about if the creator got permission:
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Another furry asks how long before this is used by trolls:
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There's going to be an interesting response from some furries as time goes on.

Imagine being so retarded you can't understand the concept of "I went to a bunch of art galleries, looked at lots of pictures I like then drew my own based on what I learned" for computers.

Then again they could just be a Turbo Boomer Furry.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Imagine being so exceptional you can't understand the concept of "I went to a bunch of art galleries, looked at lots of pictures I like then drew my own based on what I learned" for computers.

but computers aren't allowed to do that!

All of the newer MRI and CT machines use this technology to reduce artifacts. It's cool.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Imagine, if you will, spending thousands of dollars on crap art for your spirit animal only for some geek to make a website that draws them for you, for free, and to roughly the same standards of art done by everyone else.
I can only hope this shitstorm doesn't end too quickly.

 

[omori]

While trichtillomania is an actual thing I've never seen or heard about anyone plucking themselves bald or near bald. It’s a condition that appears infrequently enough that it’d cause uneven hair growth or at least bald spots.

Having seven fursuits while raising a kid on your own is fucking ridiculous. Wouldnt be suprised if she pays more on a single suit than she would shopping for her kid in one month.

 

[Calamity]

While trichtillomania is an actual thing I've never seen or heard about anyone plucking themselves bald or near bald. It’s a condition that appears infrequently enough that it’d cause uneven hair growth or at least bald spots.

Trich is annoying as fuck so I can understand if the going bald thing is perhaps an answer to just say "fuck it" and get rid of the hair that was annoying her so much.
That said, even small stubble tends to be targetted by folk with real bad trich to the point they'll spend hours digging a single small hair out of their skin they struggle to reach, leaving nasty open wounds, so her head is surprisingly bare looking.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Having seven fursuits while raising a kid on your own is fucking ridiculous. Wouldnt be suprised if she pays more on a single suit than she would shopping for her kid in one month.

Does she have a Patreon or an AD account somewhere? I'm sure furries would be lining up to toss money at a non-troon woman in the fandom.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Does she have a Patreon or an AD account somewhere? I'm sure furries would be lining up to toss money at a non-troon woman in the fandom.

Was her OnlyFans shit in the leak?

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Coming out of lurk mode for a moment, because Good Lord.

A computer AI scanning various artworks and then generating its own based on common traits is not art theft. It is not the AI or its creator’s fault that your ‘sonas are so generic.

Art theft is when someone downloads your artwork, goes into Photoshop or a similar program and changes your signature to their own or removes it completely, and then passes it off as their own. Art theft is when they do all of the above and then attempt to sell it as prints or on other items, like shirts or mugs. This is a common issue on Redbubble. Similar circumstances apply to the theft of physical art but the theft of digital artworks is of course far easier.

An artist that I follow on Instagram named Ali Shimhaq got some of his art stolen by Aaron “literally who” Carter last year, who used it on merch and promotional material for his tour. He claimed he rendered it himself. Shimhaq and others called his bullshit and then he claimed his assistant did it or stole it. Then he claimed the artwork was bold and brash trash and belonged in the trash, that Shimhaq was a clout-chaser, irrelevant, etc. Aaron "Champion at the Coattail Riding Rodeo" Carter recently got his ass slapped with a lawsuit from Shimhaq. Shimhaq, to the best of my knowledge, is not a furry, but this is an example of true art theft, true wrongdoing by shitty people.

You would think furry artists, being artists, would be able to tell the difference, but autism runs deep. If only they knew how bad things really could get.

 

[Spammeboi]

Who gives a shit. This ai generated art is like the definition of fair use. Its just taking 'inspiration' from other works to create a completely new original work. All this crying over fucking nothing. Get over it

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Who gives a shit. This ai generated art is like the definition of fair use. Its just taking 'inspiration' from other works to create a completely new original work. All this crying over fucking nothing. Get over it

It‘s not fair use. Fair use implies that someone else’s copyright was infringed upon but in a justifiable, protected way. This algorithm looked at a bunch of images — which is not in any way an infringement — and it generates brand new original images from scratch based on what it learned about what those images have in common. No infringement occurs and the AI-generated images are public domain, because AI-produced original content is not and cannot be owned by an AI.

 

[Spammeboi]

It‘s not fair use. Fair use implies that someone else’s copyright was infringed upon but in a justifiable, protected way. This algorithm looked at a bunch of images — which is not in any way an infringement — and it generates brand new original images from scratch based on what it learned about what those images have in common. No infringement occurs and the AI-generated images are public domain, because AI-produced original content is not and cannot be owned by an AI.

Fair point. It is an original work and furries need to get over it. I dont understand why people are up in arms about it

 

[Kane Lives]

You would think furry artists, being artists, would be able to tell the difference, but autism runs deep. If only they knew how bad things really could get.

The same furry artists who fundamentally do not understand how copyright works, and attempts to claim copyright on closed species?

Nah.