Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

Status
Not open for further replies.
the virus is dangerous, there’s no doubt about that. But it’s selectively dangerous. The main danger is overwhelm of care capacity and high mortality among certain age and vulnerability groups.
We need to
a.maintain as much normality as possible while b. protecting those groups and
C reducing cases to within our capacity to care for.

c has worked. A and b have failed. We need to remove lockdowns and replace them with sensible public health measures that can continue medium term without too much disruption. By that I mean hand washing, no large gatherings, social distancing. Things people can do long term without too much bother.

A has been a disaster and tanked our economies
B has also been a disaster. We should have had very strict protocols for Old age care homes and the vulnerable.

who h brings me into another question someone asked a while back. Why is the excess death toll higher than accounted for with COVID?
Well, GPs were not going In to care homes and doing the many consults they usually do. Virtually everyone in a care home is there because they need that kind of attention,
People are also dying at home from stuff they should and would normally have sought help for.
So that excess? That’s partially deaths caused by the lockdown itself. Some will be corona deaths that weren’t picked up., but a lot will be people who didn’t go to hospitals when they should have.

I can absolutely attest to the nursing home deaths having a large segment of mismanagement. Let me please refresh all of you on how spain's biggest spike in deaths came to fruition. Some may remember it from both my rants and the news. But. For the newer guys:

After lockdown corona hit the nursing homes through the caregivers. Nursing home staff and healthcare professionals are closely related and tend to come from the same families due to spain's traditionalist mindset so it's no wonder how the PPE crisis facilitated that jump. Do note that the PPE crisis was caused in big part by mismanagement and poor planing. So that's fuckup 1 related to this mess.

Fuckup 2 came when the homes got hit. You see, nursing homes are handled by the same system as the healthcare professionals in spain. And that system was at the time overworked by the turnabout of healthcare personnel caused by the shortage and the petitions caused by it. And so. When the staff started getting hit on the homes and asked for aid. They recieved none. That's strike 2.

This was made even worse by the date. This happened on a friday. And if you think spanish directives are gonna work on a weekend just because we're in the middle of the apocalypse, you have not seen enough bureaucratic state employees buddy. So many, many nursing homes were stuck in this crisis for 2 whole days until the army was finally called for aid on friday. That's the third OOF. They say 3 strikes and you're out. We still got more where that came from.

Since friday however, realizing this issue. Personnel started calling in EVERYONE. They knew the juntas, which are the ones officially in charge of this shit, weren't answering. So they put letters to ministry, gov, ISCIII, the politicians inside the juntas and consejerias themselves, mayors, province chiefs, etc. EVERYONE was warned by a flood of alarms. And yet. At autonomy level, no one answered. On Gov level ISCIII tried to call people in but most didn't even listen and the ones that did only told the lower ranks and called it a day. At province level, only Kichi, from Cadiz, acted. Some other homes got saved by mayors at municipio and localidad levels. But those were the inmense minority.

Kichi btw might as well be the reason I find myself allied with Podemos given human form. He's a unioner and teacher from the Netherlands that migrated to cadiz at an early age. And most recently joined Podemos and got elected in Cadiz. Shit is. Many would think he's... a bit crazy. He was part of the Anticapitalist party before Podemos formed. He's said some stupid shit. Even tried to take the side of the migrants during the latest waves (and was thankfully stopped by the junta... god that would've been stupid), but whenever Cadiz has had issues he's been there to aid as much as he could. He has had no issues taking more right wing and even capitalist mindsets when they were the best sollution despite the ideology, and has been glad to deal with the right wing Junta whenever it helped Cadiz since they got elected. So, Kichi might be a bit of a dullard and a bit of a radical. But I didn't vote for him to be a role model. I voted for him so he could help Cadiz grow. And Cadiz under his rule has indeed grown considerably, and he's clearly been a factor in it by taking his position seriously. I don't think I can ask for more.

But point is. Cadiz was the only province to take care of the nursing homes. Outside of us you only saw 1 or 2 pwr autonomy being saved by local politicians. As for the rest? For 2 whole days they had either extremely reduced personnel or no personnel at all, with the experts isolated all they could do not to infect the patients was try to phone the few nurses for instructions, in the homes that still had nurses, not that that helped much as they were quickly overwhelmed. And the virus went almost unchecked after the first wave. And so by the time the army arrived, they found an image worthy of the most active warzones. Nurses having broken mentally, corpses left to rot, the more mentally unstable patients having freed themselves and running rampant. In 2 days the nursing homes became hell.

After that fuckup, thankfully, the army did take control. Saved a surprising number of patients even amongst the ones heaviest hit by the virus, and quarantined the area. And now since the nursing homes are fully quarantined and priorized for gear after that first spike we managed to stop the slaughter almost entirely. Now they are even safer than before the virus.

But what did it take to get here? Hell. It took a complete collapse. The point is that while in spain both the fuckup and the recovery were spectacular. Because I guess we never do things the boring way around here. Other countries are handling it in similar but different ways. Ways that might be even worse. I'll mention the 1 glaring exception. Germany. I am slowly becoming convinced that their proficiency at preemptively quarantining the old folks homes might be the most decisive factor in their low lethality. Props to them

But everywhere else? Sure we haven't seen another apocalyptic collapse. But instead the homes have never been properly quarantined. And the result is that while you don't have that one megaspike that makes it look like a fucking meteorite hit the country. The percentage of dead retirees is creeping steadily to the point that it surpassed spain already in many places. Italy, the UK, NYC, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. All have this issue.

And indeed this isn't just because corona. It's also because of lack of personnel, lack of gear, etc. Those deaths have probably been accelerated by the lockdown instead of avoided.

So. While a well done lockdown like the germans, poles and eastern europe/balkans is decisive in aiding the country (though I'd say you fuckers should've started deescalating already, at least the krauts anyway), a badly msde lockdown like the early spanish one or the one seen in most countries, can actually increase lethality considerably.

As always. Lockdowns are just lockdowns. It's in aplication and execution that the devil can be found.
 
(:_(
C554BE7D-CB50-4318-A595-FF80EB5982FE.jpeg
This is complete lunacy. Outdoor graduations like the Air Force Academy held could easily be coordinated, but no. The Department of Education is instead carrying water for Gov. Timmy Walz, former public school teacher (including spending time teaching in China 🤔) and new tiny tyrant. Source/Archive
 
i'm starting to think this quarantine is unnecessary since we didn't do this with other flus and social distancing has been ineffective if people are getting sick despite following those stay at home orders. I can't see the face mask and social distancing shit lasting until 2022 like people think.
 
Democrats being bold enough to try to introduce a bill that gives all illegals a ton of money creates a path where we can end up with just giving out money to all actual citizens. Much like how Trump's original plan to give out money to every citizen got watered down to 'only individuals who filed tax returns'. It may actually be a sneaky way to get what they want while virtue signalling a dream they know they can't have.

Okay guys I want a sitrep from y'all. Reopenings are starting, the death toll is about 2000 a day now for us yanks, and the state gubments are going through various levels of madness.

What are your honest thoughts about the current situation? Do you think we should still be in quarantine? Do you think the coof is still as deadly as you did before?

The out of touch governor insists that it's not unreasonable to tell people to put off weddings and funerals until he says it's okay to resume existing. Independent businesses who were deemed 'nonessential' have started doing business anyway under the table/using cash only because they'd rather defy orders than go broke. Kids are outside playing again, and as it's getting sunny out, I smell barbecue most days. When I go out for walks, people are gathered in their yards and driving around as usual, but big name stores are still staying mostly closed. Smaller 'essential' stores have put up huge plastic shields everywhere which the employees themselves admit are just an annoyance.

Discontent and dislike for the governor is spiking upward given he decided to extend the lockdown a month at minimum and gave really vague requirements for phases that he could technically just extend indefinitely.
 
From what I can see in Georgia, about 75% of people are wearing masks to go out, and the other 25% are the ones that never gave a shit this whole time. The types of people that get right up next to you in line and are still coughing into their hands. Traffic is back to about 75% normal, too. Beaches are full of (spaced out) sunbathers even though you're supposed to keep moving.

Is there a name for a male Karen? I'm not seeing too many Karens, but a lot of boomer white dudes in Jimmy Buffett tees that are in a constant state of being indignant over occupancy limits in stores, things being out of stock, spaced out lines, etc. Not wearing masks, in visibly shaky health, coughing into hands and then touching everything, taking out their frustrations on store workers...
 
Okay guys I want a sitrep from y'all. Reopenings are starting, the death toll is about 2000 a day now for us yanks, and the state gubments are going through various levels of madness.

Second Georgia opinion:

I was out of state for work and came back this week. I had heard rumors that the genocidal tyrant Bryan Kemp was allowing businesses to open in late April, but I just couldn't believe it.
When I crossed the border from South Carolina I stopped to use the bathroom at a rest stop outside of Savannah. It was quiet... empty...
A little while later I pulled off I-95 into my small town. Cars were left abandoned on the side of the road, a tumble weed blew through the center of town. The local Kroger parking lot was a ghost town, and a rattlesnake slithered across my feet as I pumped the gas.

I finally made it home, expecting my family to come out and greet me, but they didn't. As I went inside I was met with the heart-wrenching sight: my family was dead. They had been asymptomatic carriers who dropped dead suddenly when the virus mutated. Also they turned black.
I ran out of the house crying, sobbing, shaken. I tried calling 9-1-1 but the line was dead. I needed to get help.

Running on foot I made it to the center of town, but was met by an even more horrifying sight: piles of bodies littered across the square. COVID-19 had come swiftly and seemingly left no one alive. Many had even died in agonizing ways, such as cytokine storm, drowning in lung fluids, suffocation, spontaneous combustion, turing black then being shot by racists, giant brain tumors, testicles falling off - everything but the kitchen sink.

I fell to my knees in unspeakable grief and anger. "How could this happen!?!" I shouted.
"It was the reopening" a voice called from behind.
I turned my head to see a guy I went to high school with. I hadn't seen his face in years and his Facebook used an anime pfp, but I could recognize his signature acne pattern and the shirt he never changed.
"The people went outside when the Reopening happened. They all caught the Coof and then perished horrifically."
"But... But how did you survive!" I asked.
"I never left my basement but once a week to buy more tendies and mountain dew with my NEET bux. While others died of the Coof, I was jerking it to anime tentacle rape on Uncle Sam's dime."
"But why? Why would we reopen when we all could have lived like you?"
"It was the stocks. Our governor killed us all for a stock market jump."
Tears of sorrow and rage came to my eyes as I realized almost all of Georgia was likely dead now, sacrificed so that some squigly lines on a graph could go up, murdered by Governor Bryan Kemp.

I raised my fist towards the sky as the wretched stench of genocide filled my lungs.

DAMN YOU BRYAN KEMP!
DAMN YOU TO HELL!

I'm seeing much less masks. Bryan County & Camden County so far I've only seen masks on employees.
Its been sunny but cool since I got back from work travel and people are out. Seems like people are social distancing so far, but haven't been into either real city on the coast yet.

COVID-19 is so last week on the local Facebook sphere. Dindu vs Vigilante Rednecks is hot right now.

What are your honest thoughts about the current situation? Do you think we should still be in quarantine? Do you think the coof is still as deadly as you did before?
I don't think we should be in quarantine, because the devastation of a lockdown will hands down be worse than anything COVID could throw at us. I also personally feel its laughable human hubris to think government policy can stop an act of nature, but thats just me.
There is blatant and obvious fear mongering going on by the media.

That being said I do feel certain measures, such as social distancing, hand hygeine, masks IF DONE RIGHT, etc. are still good order.
Hopefully we will have a treatment sooner than later, but people can't stay laid off forever.
 
Short check in from my small neck of the woods.

Neighbor is a physical therapist and was laid off by her hospital last week. She's a little upset about it, there's some controversy going on.

Her hospital system gets money from the government for treating Coronavirus patients. $8,000 just for showing up, about $40,000 each time someone goes on a ventilator, plus normal insurance money.

Her hospital had something like 40 Coronavirus patients total. This includes people who tested positive along with people who were suspected. They have not been providing other services during this time due to public health orders from the state. Right now, other than the ER, the hospital staff is mostly administrators involved in billing.

Other hospitals in her health system have had a much larger number of patients. One of them accounts for a significant percentage of all Coronavirus cases in the state. Doctors and supplies have been going from her hospital to this other one - which is maybe 30 minutes away.

She's hearing from other people that the doctors going to this other hospital were given a checklist of symptoms that automatically result in a Covid-19 diagnosis. One of the items on the list is sneezing - if you show up at the hospital and you are sneezing, you automatically get the diagnosis. This triggers a series of steps where they start testing, you get admitted to the ER, etc. A patient only has to meet one of the criteria to be considered a Covid patient.

She's concerned this other hospital is gaming the system. She has patients of her own that are recovering from serious auto accidents, strokes, replacement limbs, etc. They are all recovering on their own because this other hospital is casting such a wide net. Her boss is aware of the issue and there is absolutely nothing she can do. The clinical chairs at her hospital are enjoying the time off, they've slowed down on ordering medical supplies, they don't even have anyone at the front desk anymore - all calls go to a phone tree.

So she asks me, if it's a public health emergency, why is her hospital being mothballed? It's a good question. She's getting all this second hand, which means I'm getting it third hand. But I'm wondering if we've created a set of perverse incentives where hospitals can only stay in business by saying everyone has the disease, and that's artificially inflating the numbers causing the system to break down.
 
you dont use those throw away pippetes without sterilizing them first? thats a paddle.

I need a tip on how to get some spanish booze. the brandy prices made a jump after the shut down in spain and i realy need a couple of new bottles.

I don't think I checked if they were sterilizing. But either way it's still safer to just not use the pipette to begin with really. Either way last I heard the hematologist heard about the mess and had a chat with our friend pipette lawyer. So hopefully he got them to listen... yeah I do deserve those rainbow ratings.

As for alcohol. That is... Harder than it may seem but let me try to explain the process with an example to simplify. Because of course we organized this as poorly as we organized everywhere else! Btw protip. If anyone reading this got enough money and brains, and wants to make an empire, consider making a business out of properly dusting our supply chain. Because with our primary and secondary industries being handled by small biz, the mess we caused by expanding so quickly since the end of the dictatorship, and the fact that, well, we're spanish, the supply chain is an ungodly mess, and incredibly wasteful to boot. Hell now with the restart you might even get the gov to pay for it. I thought about it myself. But I am an autistic lower class student. And my room is solid proof I have neither the brains nor the money for it. Point is. This tutorial isn't just for wine. If you want good spanish produce at a cheap price, this is how.

So first thing you gotta do is, well actually step 0 is to decide what you want, so, since we're searching for alcohol, and some posts ago I recomended moscatel, and you asked for Brandy. I will use those two as examples. Because just searching for generic shit like liquor is much harder.

So first step now for real is knowing where the hell they make the better ones. This is... a topic of very, very heated discussion over here. Every region got their denominations and in them they mark the regional factories that follow procedure. I believe this is how most countries do these except that of course because this is spain we have like 3 different kinds of markings because why do things the sane way anyway ikr? "Denominacion de origen" is the most stringent tests, so it's supposedly the best. But compared with the other kinds the only real difference is they have to follow traditional recipe. So for instance in Paella difference between the Denominacion de Origen of valencia and the paella of other regions is the valenciana has a very specific list of ingredients with no possible deviation if they wish to keep the licence. So really, at the risk of pissing off half the country I'll say, don't bother with specific origin denominations by matter of course. So long as they got any of the kinds of regional markings they'll be made locally with local products, the specific limit is more of a matter of taste in the end. So. Since I am from cadiz. I'mma go seek for cadiz produce, because it's the one I know best. Best moscatel in cadiz is in chipiona. Best brandy in Jerez. So. Mark those down for now.

Step 2, once we have the regional brands is to go seek for them. For this a very good tool can be the local info websites meant to make this easier... which don't really make it easier but hey at least they got SOME intel:
-chipiona moscatel: https://www.chipiona.info/comer/vinos-de-chipiona/
-jerez brandy: https://www.brandydejerez.es/bodegas-y-marcas

There you can find specific bodegas (which in spanish from spain means alcohol producers) to search for. Their numbers, webs, phones and other intel. Sadly they don't distinguish between webs that actually sell stuff from the ones that only take in mayoristas (supermarkets, resellers and other big orders) and use the webs to explain stuff, or the ones that don't even bother trying to export stuff, or work by subscription. I mean I think some municipios do it, but most don't, because of course we don't do things normal.

So step three is to actually find cheap alcohol. And this is when the first bad news come. As you'll only really get second best for most stuff. You see. Every region got shops and warehouses that take in the produce that couldn't be exported for one reason or another. (Not up to the supermarket's aesthetic cannons, basically our version of bendy bananas. Excess production. All sorts of other reasons that don't actually affect quality.) THOSE shops are the best. But of course their whole point is to get that excess and dump it in the local population for cheap so they don't have to bother with all the process needed for exports. (For example as I explained the one for moscatel found here in cadiz literally just keeps the liquor in barrels and use plastic jugs, and if you use your own they give you a discount to boot. So... yeah. If you want the best price. That's the place. You won't get a fancy bottle or labels or shit but quality's the same. But don't worry. I got second best.

Second best of course is to get a producer you think you can trust and buy it directly from them online. The less intermediaries the cheaper. So. We'll go get that. The webs from the prior steps can help. But not always as since alcohol is a luxury price varies wildly between producer and less known bodegas can have the same or almost the same quality for easily half the price. So searching a bit more can pay off greatly. And so, let's get to it.
-for moscatel at 4 euros each 75cl bottle we got https://www.josemelladomartin.com/tienda-moscatel-chipiona-online/ though I believe they sell by the 6 pack. There's more but I tasted that one and it's pretty decent imho. And 4 bucks a bottle is really decent.
-for brandy it was a bit harder. Jerez brandy is Denominacion de Origen, aka particularly expensive. And brandy in general is more expensive than most liquors. I did my best:
I don't know where to get better prices. I'm not a brandy person. And I have no idea how it compares with germany's prices. Hope it helped!
 
Last edited:
Short check in from my small neck of the woods.

Neighbor is a physical therapist and was laid off by her hospital last week. She's a little upset about it, there's some controversy going on.

Her hospital system gets money from the government for treating Coronavirus patients. $8,000 just for showing up, about $40,000 each time someone goes on a ventilator, plus normal insurance money.

Her hospital had something like 40 Coronavirus patients total. This includes people who tested positive along with people who were suspected. They have not been providing other services during this time due to public health orders from the state. Right now, other than the ER, the hospital staff is mostly administrators involved in billing.

Other hospitals in her health system have had a much larger number of patients. One of them accounts for a significant percentage of all Coronavirus cases in the state. Doctors and supplies have been going from her hospital to this other one - which is maybe 30 minutes away.

She's hearing from other people that the doctors going to this other hospital were given a checklist of symptoms that automatically result in a Covid-19 diagnosis. One of the items on the list is sneezing - if you show up at the hospital and you are sneezing, you automatically get the diagnosis. This triggers a series of steps where they start testing, you get admitted to the ER, etc. A patient only has to meet one of the criteria to be considered a Covid patient.

She's concerned this other hospital is gaming the system. She has patients of her own that are recovering from serious auto accidents, strokes, replacement limbs, etc. They are all recovering on their own because this other hospital is casting such a wide net. Her boss is aware of the issue and there is absolutely nothing she can do. The clinical chairs at her hospital are enjoying the time off, they've slowed down on ordering medical supplies, they don't even have anyone at the front desk anymore - all calls go to a phone tree.

So she asks me, if it's a public health emergency, why is her hospital being mothballed? It's a good question. She's getting all this second hand, which means I'm getting it third hand. But I'm wondering if we've created a set of perverse incentives where hospitals can only stay in business by saying everyone has the disease, and that's artificially inflating the numbers causing the system to break down.

Elon Musk was on Joe Rogan the other day, and they were talking about this exact thing. Hospitals are inflating the numbers. As he put it, they have a choice-furlough doctors and nurses because they don't have enough money coming in to pay them, or classify everyone as Covid and get cash money. This of course greatly inflates the case numbers as well as fatality numbers.
 
Is there a name for a male Karen? I'm not seeing too many Karens, but a lot of boomer white dudes in Jimmy Buffett tees that are in a constant state of being indignant over occupancy limits in stores, things being out of stock, spaced out lines, etc. Not wearing masks, in visibly shaky health, coughing into hands and then touching everything, taking out their frustrations on store workers...
I know these type of guys. In my head I call them "Dougs" and they've been out in full force lately.

Their big thing when we're out of something is to say "well why don't you order more?!" as if the problem is that we're just too stupid to order it and not that there are shortages and other supply chain issues. Lol at them asking "well can you check the back room?". I do it to appease them, but there ain't shit back there.

Some people seem to think products are just magicked into being out of nothingness, with no realization off all the moving parts that get something from raw material to the shelf of a store.

I was just reading that Clorox and Lysol will probably not be able to meet the demand for wipes and spray until the summer, they just can't produce it fast enough. It's behind a paywall for me now so I can't archive, but here's the WSJ article.

We get hand sanitizer, toilet paper and alcohol pretty regularly now, but they still sell out at lightening speed, but Clorox wipes and Lysol are never on the truck anymore, and the last few shipments we did get were tiny.

Another shortage I noticed is candles. We have been out of stock for awhile now and we never get any in, I'm assuming because production on them has slowed or stopped completely. All types of candles, from birthday party ones, to Glade and fancy schmancy ones.

I always feel bad when parents come in for kids birthday party stuff and we're all sold out. Worst birthday ever!

Anyway, for the most part people have been understanding about why there are shortages but you can tell they're growing frustrated by the whole situation, which is understandable, I feel the same way. There's just a very vocal minority of aggro dicks who can't wrap their minds around why there are shortages and take it out on us schmucks.
 
Mayor of college town Norman (University of Oklahoma) was still power tripping until the state AG looked her direction, and then the feds took notice. Tone changed quickly.


 
Last edited:
Elon Musk was on Joe Rogan the other day, and they were talking about this exact thing. Hospitals are inflating the numbers. As he put it, they have a choice-furlough doctors and nurses because they don't have enough money coming in to pay them, or classify everyone as Covid and get cash money. This of course greatly inflates the case numbers as well as fatality numbers.

Ah yes. Well. If only there was some kinda system that ensured hospitals stay operative during a crisis and has a bested interest in ensuring the accuracy of intel coming from them and their cooperation with guvernmental entities... Like a Pu-

Yeah I can't say that with a straight face after bearing witness to what the fucking democrats do whenever they try to make healthcare public. Gives me the fucking shivers.

But seriously. There are advantsges to guvernmental control of healthcare. And while I'm not gonna say public healthcare the spanish way is the best system. (I certainly THINK it is but I also know I'm biased.) And I admit going from the american to the spanish way would be a long and painful path. There's some intermediaries you should be looking into. Like, I heard the germans have so many ICUs 'cause they yave this hybrid system that's weird as fuck and, well, results speak for themselves. So maybe burgerland should be considering copying them at least since it would allow you to at the very least implement some of the advantages of public healthcare without buttfucking your system like what would happen if you changed the system by doing what the NHS did in britain back in the day.

You know I'm serious because there's no fucking way I'd ever tell people to copy the way the Krauts do shit if I didn't think they have serious fucking issues.
 
CMS fucked over PTs recently. Now we're firing them all. This doesn't have to do with COVID-19 though.
About 8 of my neighbors have been laid off, a couple just got notice their jobs will not be coming back. Most of them work in something related to healthcare.

While I'm not going full conspiracy theorist just yet, something is rotten in Denmark.
 
About 8 of my neighbors have been laid off, a couple just got notice their jobs will not be coming back. Most of them work in something related to healthcare.

While I'm not going full conspiracy theorist just yet, something is rotten in Denmark.

Private or public? If private it makes sense. In a fucked up way. With the lockdown putting a stop to many accidents, and people more reticent to go to hospitals, if gov doesn't subsidize them they're fucked.

But this beind Denmark I think you probably mean Public, in which case, smells like Rajoi. That definitely sounds like budget cuts made to weaken the public sector in order to breed distrust in an attempt to force people to accept privatization. This is what Rajoi did, except he was stupid enough to do it during flu season and in a way that forced the hospitals to close the ER wings by targeted defunding and firings, thinking the collapse of the hospital system could be used by him as propaganda against public healthcare... It REALLY backfired on the guy. Specially since as I explained before in spain even righties like their healthcare public. He really did not think that one through.

But, only difference I see is it seems your idiots in charge are clever enough to try to hide the cuts during a period of low activity as opposed to maximizing their immediate impact. But. If I'm right. You'll start seeing your journos propagandize about how good private hospitals or publicly owned but privately managed institutions can be and how it's a great time to get a healthcare insurance. And by flu season you'll see the suspiciously low capacity of public healthcare to handle the situation all of a sudden.

That's what Aguirre tried in madrid before all the assholes she placed got slamed for corruption and she was kicked out of office... Yeah the PP got a looong history of fucking with our healthcare. Even during this crisis Ayuso has tried to pull some filthy shit. I'm so glad righties finally noticed and started slamming them.
 
About 8 of my neighbors have been laid off, a couple just got notice their jobs will not be coming back. Most of them work in something related to healthcare.

While I'm not going full conspiracy theorist just yet, something is rotten in Denmark.

It's been a tough time for hospitals. Admin staff trying to safeguard their paychecks and they're laying off HCWs.

I'm still paying salary for the nurses who work for me since I didn't want to furlough them.
 
What are your honest thoughts about the current situation? Do you think we should still be in quarantine? Do you think the coof is still as deadly as you did before?

If you live in a hot spot like NYC or if you're vulnerable like the elderly, then I think self-quarantine is still worth it. For everyone else, get back to work and take precautions. I say this as someone who is vulnerable and has to wear a mask every time I leave the house (what a pain in the ass but if it keeps me well then I'm gonna wear it).

I think it's still bad but clearly it's only bad for some. I think the fear factor has been overblown. I think it's time to get our country back on track again and I believe it will be done. For those that are scared--stay home.
 
"Something rotten in Denmark" is a Shakespeare reference, from Hamlet. I'm pretty sure @Ivan Shatov is in the U.S.

Oh. A burgerlander using a britbong literary reference about the danes. Well that's new.

If it's the US then, yeah, it makes sense with people avoiding hospitals because of the plague and lockdowns lowering the number of accidents significantly hospital jobs will be running dry. Public healthcare gets their money from GDP so they don't give a shit about temporary stuff like that so long as it doesn't affect for long enough than the idiots in charge get ideas. But private just got a real fucking problem trying to stay afloat. Specially on areas that overdid the lockdown drastically like certain states. So, funding's gonna be a bitch. Layoffs nearly unavoidable. That's the sad reality of private healthcare.

the prices are a bit better, but not enough to be interesting ebcause of shipping costs.

Ah yes, the dreaded shipping. Well then I'm sorry I can't be of more help. Not finding affordable liquor during a pandemic is a punishment most cruel.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back